BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 10:30 PM

Getting into a pissing contest with the right winged bloggers statisticians is like beating your head on a wall becaause it feels so good when you stop...

I will not play on your terms...

If you don't like what I post then disprove it with sources that are credible... Have you ever been to the GAO website, GfinS??? There are tens of thousand of things to read and if you have a paid job to go thru those thousands of pages and twist and twist that what you are going to get is something other than the truth...

No offense, but if you would spend less time here pontificating about nothing and spend more time learning basic economics and American & World history it would be more meaningful...

Like, for starters... What does "freedom" mean??? What does "liberty" mean"??? How is the GNP figured??? Now many tax cuts have the rich gotten since 1955??? What does "regressive tax" mean??? Is a flat tax a "regressive tax??? Does freedom have anything to do with a woman's choice to carry unwanted pregancies even if the result of rape??? ''

Sorry, but no more ballgames??? No more trying to get this ol' hillbilly into a facts check with full time paid rightie bloggers... I'd have to have what they are: a staff of 100 or 500...

Any of ya'll want to swear off that bullshit "stats/prove-it games" and talk about policies - not Tea Party and right winged bullshit but policies down to nuts and bolts and reasons for this and not for that kinda stuff, you know, the boring stuff) then bring it on... I am a policy weenie... We can do this...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 11:37 PM

You just keep making my point!!!
Laughing my ass off!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 12:38 AM

"Dick Armey and the Koch brothers have spent hundreds of millions of $$$"

Whose figures Bobert??? Right wing bloggers???

How much has Soros spent???

"we need to destroy the Tea Party" Now Bobert reveals his true agenda, Destroy. He is telling people they need to destroy a group, People that think different from him.

How Bobert? Is that why you tell people to "buy guns, lots of ammo and learn to shoot straight and learn to shoot straight"?

"full time paid rightie bloggers... I'd have to have what they are: a staff of 100 or 500..."

Who are they Bobert?

You claim you don't have to prove anything but everybody else needs to, One set of rules for you and another set for others.

I answer your questions but you are to pious to answer mine. You would rather just call me names and make personal attacks than produce any facts to back up your claims.

But that is your right. Just do on proving you can't support any of your claims with facts.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 12:40 AM

Sawzaw: "But that is your right. Just do on proving you can't support any of your claims with facts."

Duhhh!!! Same with the other guy, too!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 03:39 AM

The "other guy" does not present any facts, just anti social personal attacks. The trademark of people with no facts to present because they are incapable of dialogue.

Every personal attack reveals his level of intelligence.

The M.O. of the "other guy": Ritual Defamation is used to hurt, to intimidate, to destroy, and to persecute, and to avoid the dialogue, debate and discussion upon which a free society depends. On those grounds it must be opposed no matter who tries to justify its use.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 03:42 AM

Well, you know, I think you've all lightened up since I asked, but I'm still getting requests to close the thread. Should I close the thread and give all you guys with the stale testosterone a chance of a new start, or will you all just pretend to like each other even though you disagree? I know you really do like each other....more or less.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 07:52 AM

Close it.

Please.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 08:07 AM

I opened this thread but it has degenerated into a Sawz & GfinS's circle jerk...

You have my blessing to pull the plug on their ballgames, Joe!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 12:04 PM

Does anyone have a cure for virulent cases of lonely cynicism?

It seems to have developed a resistence to hope and love.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 12:13 PM

The wounded and dying brand of Republicanism in 2008 was hoping to rename themselves and emerge anew from the ashes when they embraced the Tea Party from many angles including Dick Army's lobby group, the Koch Bros when they were talked into it later, and from the more authentic grass root people who were really upset from the crash. Then religious fundamentalists tried it on for size and then the Citizens United case allowed millions to be poured into Tea Party candidate campaigns.

They did not even know who they were paying in many cases. They won 87 seats.

Republicans just thought aha, we have both a new name and an excited base again. It didn;t turn out that way. Over half of the new members are patheticly ignorant. Republicans are already rueing the day.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 02:04 PM

People like Guest from Sanity and Sawzaw make it impossible for others to have a rational discussion. If anyone disagrees with their viewpoint, rather than trying to present evidence and engage in a civil debate, they immediately resort to insults and name-calling.

In the case of Guest from Sanity in particular, he has contradicted himself on a number of occasions, and when it is pointed out to him, he insists that he did not, sometimes claiming that others (me in particular) have been posting in his name, and proceeds to attack the person and calls him or her a "liar"—even after the posts in which he did this are cited.

And lately, he has been stalking me, and essentially engaging in attempts at character assassination.

In my opinion, this thread has passed its "sell-by" date and should be closed.

Also, Guest from Sanity's posts, past and future, should be carefully monitored for insults and personal attacks and appropriate action taken.

I would also request that MY posts be carefully monitored for the same thing. It will be noted that I do not call people things like "asshole," or make up insulting and offensive epithets like "Bagdad Bob" or "Propaganda Minister Firth."

Joe? Are you there?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 02:07 PM

"People like Guest from Sanity and Sawzaw make it impossible for others to have a rational discussion."

But yet the discussion continues. Don Firth are you having an irrational discussion? If so, why? The constant slagging is making it impossible to discuss an important topic.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 02:26 PM

Jack, I endeavor to make my discussion points civilly and clearly. If someone insists on not addressing the points I'm trying to make, but feels he can refute or neutralize what I have said by calling me an "asshole," well, I don't think it is ME who is rendering the disussion irrational.

In live meetings of, say, the City Council, people who indulge in this kind of "debate" are usually ejected from the meeting.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 02:37 PM

You allow GfS and Sawzaw to dominate the discussion by replying to their crap and talking about them personally. Yes, I have done it too. Lets declare a moratorium on talking directly to or about either of them. Answer the points once and move on.

I looked through this page of this thread and I could not see anything but personal attacks by either of them. Answering that is just troll feeding.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 02:48 PM

You're absolutely right, Jack. Point taken.

Let me go on record at this point as saying that if I do not respond to personal attacks and insults from GfS or Sawzaw or anyone else, this is not to be construed as agreement (even if they claim that my lack of response indicates that I agree or that do not have a response). I merely regard their remarks, unless civilly presented, as unworthy of response.

Okay?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 02:54 PM

"even if they claim that my lack of response indicates that I agree or that do not have a response"

I think that anyone who says such a thing can be considered to be trolling.

A constructive discussion means offering considered opinions. Not tossing out turds and demanding that turds be tossed back.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 03:00 PM

As the originator of this thread I have PM'd Joe about closing it... It has run its course... Everything has been said already... The Sawz/GfinS circle jerk has become as predictable as it is boring...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 03:24 PM

Or You could stop sparring too.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: John P
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 05:37 PM

I'm still searching for anyone who agrees with the goals and methodology of the Tea Party and is willing to have a real debate of the issues. All I ever seem to get are slogan-like one-liners like "We must have freedom" or "We must take back our country" or "We have to stop the financial madness", and there the conversation stops.

Can anyone help me, please? What does freedom mean to a Tea Party sympathizer? How has our country been taken away from us? How is messing with our credit rating and starting a depression not financial madness? The problem is that I can't seem to get even these first questions answered, much less the next 10 or so that will naturally arise.

Governing is more than holding to ideals -- it is learning everything there is to know about what happens next and then making rational decisions based on what is best for the country. I don't see the Tea Party doing that.

Risking a world-wide depression and the savings of everyone in the country is economic terrorism. Denying civil rights to minorities is political terrorism. Inserting religious ideals into our laws is an attempt to overthrow the Constitution and is religious terrorism. Showing up at town hall meetings with guns and angry words is physical terrorism. I'd love to hear someone refute those statements with honest opinions and some form of logic. Then I'd like to have a real discussion on the subject. That requires thoughtful responses and a willingness to discuss the nuances of the issues. Anyone game?

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 05:43 PM

I'm still searching for anyone who agrees with the goals and methodology of the Tea Party and is willing to have a real debate of the issues.

I wish you luck.

You can't get your questions answered because the TeaBaggers are a collection of ignorant sods who don't have the least idea what they are talking about.

Reference many a TeaBagger spouting off about what the Constitition and/or The Federalist Papers say and upon being asked if they'd read either having to admit they had not.

These people operate in a totally fact-free environment. If forced to operate on a level other than bumper-sticker slogans or hate-jock lies, they're lost.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 05:48 PM

OK. It looks like the consensus is that the thread should be closed. If you start another thread on the Tea Party, that's fine with me. HOWEVER, it would be nice if the thread were started on a less-biased tone with a less-biased title so that everyone at least starts out on somewhat equal footing.
I hereby declare this thread CLOSED.
-Joe-