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BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??

Little Hawk 25 Jul 11 - 12:50 AM
Don Firth 25 Jul 11 - 12:37 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 12:50 AM

Ah, yes, well I'll leave you gents alone to fight about how many nits perched on the head of a pin stuck in the body politik...when...where...and whose party those nits belonged to! ;-)

Have fun eviscerating one another's personalities at your respective leisure.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 12:37 AM

Oh, dear me!! I just made yet ANOTHER boo-boo, this time grammatical. In the sentence that reads "Me, whose spent several years working as a technical writer and editor?" that should read "Me, who spent several years working as a technical writer and editor?"

Should I go looking for punctuation mistakes and grammatical errors in your posts, Sawzaw? Well, probably not. You can always blame them on the Right Wing web sites and blogs you cut-and-pasted them from.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 12:29 AM

Sawzaw, the best you can come up with is to raise questions about my punctuation? Me, who spent three years in the University of Washington Department of English and Creative Writing before I changed my major to Music? Me, who has worked as a radio station's news director? Me, whose spent several years working as a technical writer and editor? Me, who has had about thirty magazine articles published?

Yeah, I suppose I could have made a punctuation error. It happens.

Nevertheless, I did NOT say that YOU said it. I was quoting myself. You missed that? Flunked remedial reading, eh? Too bad!

Is that the BEST you've got?

Imbecile!!
Tsk, tsk, tsk. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 12:28 AM

I presume Jerko??? is one of those intelligent, highly educated social worker terms.

If it refers to me.

"who proposed TARP, Jerko???"

Paulson & Bernanke

"Who signed TARP into law, Jerko???"

George W. Bush on October 3, 2008

Now that I have answered your cordial and respectful questions, please answer mine:

Who supported Tarp and said it was a "necessary thing to do" kind Sir?

1 Obama

2 Harry Reid

3 Bobert

Hint

What political party cast the most Yea votes in the Senate for TARP (39 out of 74). learned professor?

1 Republicans

2 Democrats

3 Independants

Hint

What political party cast the most Nay votes in the Senate (15 out of 25) ?

1 Republicans

2 Democrats

3 Independants

Hint


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 11:45 PM

While we're talking about terrorist organizations, why don't we cut to the chase and talk about the really BIG ones!

Like...national armies and departments of "defense" in countries that like to fight wars. Know what I mean? Armies. Navies. Air forces. People who drop atomic bombs on cities, invade countries, and kill not just a few thousands, but hundreds of thousands or even millions of people.

They are the world's champion terrorists. And they always have been. The others are small potatoes in comparison, and to go so far as to name the Tea Party a terrorist organization is gross hyperbole on a truly ridiculous level.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 10:32 PM

John P

Where does GFS claim any one has a liberal idiot conspiracy brainwashed agenda?

You are concocting things and challenging them to defend something you claim they said.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 10:17 PM

"I was not saying that YOU said it"

But you said "Then Sawzaw comes in and demands, "Name which dogs!""

How do the words get typed into a post if you did not type them in?

I did not say those words you put in quotes. You said them.

Just like Bobert does when he thinks up some horrible racial slur, puts it in quotes and because it is are in quotes he can pretend someone else said those words and than he can connect them to terrorism, racism, violence etc, based on these made up quotes.
Qotes mean that someone actually said these words.

Example: Perdue OWL states "The primary function of quotation marks is to set off and represent exact language (either spoken or written) that has come from somebody else."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 10:11 PM

Who proposed TARP, Jerko???

1. Bush

2. Obama

Who signed TARP into law, Jerko???

1. Bush

2. Obama

You are eat up stupid & ignorant, Jerko...

Carry on, bottom feeders...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 10:00 PM

"What the Tea Old Party is doing now with the debt limit amounts to terrorism"

When it was Obama's time to vote for raising the debt limit in 2006, he voted no. Was he a terrorist for being against raising the debt limit?

He said "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."

Sounds exactly like the Tea Party position to me.

In 2007 when the Democratically controlled Senate voted to increase the limit by $850 billion and in 2008 when the Democratically controlled Senate voted to increase the limit by $800 billion Obama did not vote against it. He did not vote at all. Too busy doing other things like making campaign promises like reducing the deficit.

Obama voted for TARP, which raised debt $700 billion and said it was "a necessary thing to do"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 07:50 PM

Exactly, Don...

Rather than produce actual facts on their own the Dynamic-Dupes accept everything they read on the web as the God's honest truth... Ahhhhh, as long as some right wing blogger who is being paid big buck to propagate lies and misinformation for the rich has written it... I don't think that either could actually do much better than Sarah Palin when she was asked, "What newspapers do you read?"...

They are caught in the right wing wind tunnel where every bit of so-called news is propaganda and, like their Tea Party heroes, they really couldn't give a flying fuck if what they are being told is the truth or lies or whatever???

This is the maddening part about trying to debate/discuss policy with these people... First, they don't have the educational background to keep up and second, they don't care if the stuff they say has any factual basis...

I mean, ignorance is America's BIGGEST enemy and right now it abounds...

And these people are so ignorant that they really don't care if America succeeds or fails because they don't know the difference between these to concepts...

This isn't meant to be a put down to score points... It's just an observation and a major concern for the future of out country...

I mean, deep down inside, I think Charles Manson would make a better Representative than 90% of these Tea Partiers... I mean, yeah, he is crazy so you wouldn't want him to have any guns but I never thought of him as being stupid...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 07:01 PM

Sawzaw, you are a hopeless nincompoop.

By using the example of "dogs pooping in yards," I was not saying that YOU said it, I was giving you a reduction ad absurdum example of your spurious attack on Bobert. As I said, reductio ad absurdum is a logical device for EXPOSING a spurious argument, which YOU keep making against Bobert.

You are either writhing like a trapped snake or you are abysmally stupid ill-informed about the rules of rational debate (established by Aristotle over two millennia ago).

And as to not having facts, we have presented many facts have been presented to you, but you stubbornly refuse to recognize them as such because you just don't like them. Too bad about you.

You must lead a very limited life.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: John P
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 06:11 PM

Who needs to defend something they did not say?

Unclear. You'll have to be more specific. If, by chance, you are referring to my challenge to GfS to clarify his contradictory remarks, I was blindingly clear about which remarks.

You are making statements that you need to defend.

Unclear. You'll have to be more specific. Which statements?

Filngin insults is the way the Tea Party haters operate.

Unclear. You'll have to be more specific. If by some chance you are saying that I was flinging insults, or expressing hatefulness, tell me what struck you that way and I'll tell you why I said it.

And finally it is the Democrats who are now overspending and diluting your savings.

Yep. They all do it. As of now, I still have some money for retirement. Shutting down the government for uncompromising ideological reasons, however, is a whole different ballgame. A lot of very smart people tell us it could cause a depression and wipe everyone out entirely.

You seem to be saying that it is OK for the Tea Party to ruin our economy because Democrats have spent money that didn't have enough revenue to support it. You also, by extension of the logical structure of you statement, seem to be saying the Republicans have been model protectors of our economy. Do you really think so?

Did the Tea Party ruin people's retirements in Greece?

BZZTT!! Non-sequiter!! Does not compute!!

"Give us what we want or we will shoot this economy!"
Who said that? You said it and you are trying to put the words in some else's mouth


I don't know -- I didn't say it, and didn't say that anyone else said it. Jeez, Lazy McLazy, the post you are responding to was only a few posts ago. Wake up!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 06:10 PM

Your fallacy has been exposed.

You try compare my question to dogs shitting in yards.

I never said "Name which dogs!". You said it and are trying to put words in my mouth.

Now you say that if it would be absurd if your comparison to dogs shitting in yards is rejected.

You would do better by actually presenting some facts like you keep treatening to do but never seem to get around to doing.

You say my facts are false but you don't have any.

You do nothing but make personal attacks. You are trying to start a flame war because you don't have any facts to discuss.

Lets stick to the discussion of facts and not personalities or opinions.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 05:56 PM

Yo, GfinS... Homie don't play Sawz games and homie ain't playin' yers either... The info is out there on the koch brothers and FreedomWorks... I don't need to get in no stupid pissing contest with your right wing paid bloggers who would know a fact if it bit them on their dumb asses...

Get a life... Learn something new...

I bet I read more read newspapers every day than then you, yer bud Sawz and the entire Tea Party... And I read everything... Not just stuff that I agree with... That what open mindedness and intellectual curiosity is about...

Nevermind... There was a time when you were 100 times more open minded than you are now... You have shut down your mind... Too bad for you...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 05:42 PM

Reductio ad absurdem is a logical refutation of a spurious argument made by putting different examples into the same format to demonstrate how ludicrous the original argument is.

It's not a fallacy. It EXPOSES a fallacy.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 05:42 PM

"All the $$$ that George Soros has is chump change compared to the Koch brothers..."



Bush's last annual budget deficit was for 2009 which was in place when Obama was inaugurated came in at...

...$1.4T

Obama's first annual budget deficit for 2010 came in at...

...$1.3T

WTF???

Obama actually cut $100B in annual budget deficits with his first budget??? Say it ain't so... I mean, horrors... I mean, that ain't what the right wing bloggers are sayin'... No, they aren't... They skip right on past the inconvenient truths, twist on the numbers and go right back to "accumulated national debt" because they are trying to put the 94 cents on the dollar of national debt that Bush handed off to Obama squarely on Obama... A lot of those 94 cents on the dollar were for Bush's wars and Bush's tax cuts...

In other words, the right wing doesn't want people to know the truth...

In other words, they are being completely dishonest...

"Whose figures??? Left wing bloggers???"

94 cents of every national debt dollar was inherited by Obama... Bills that Bush and Clinton and Daddy Bush and Reagan ran up before Obama was inaugurated... Actually, it's closer to 95 cents but who is counting.

"Whose figures??? Left wing bloggers???"

Was it Bobert that said: "What's good for the goose is also good for the gander..."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 05:34 PM

Still waiting to see if TIA checked out the sources on the Zfacts link she posted.

I didn't say anything about naming dogs. That is your rhetoric at work. Reductio Ad Absurdum.

Bobert demands sources, Why can't I? "Whose figures??? Right wing bloggers???


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 05:15 PM

Do not make the mistake of putting LH in the same category as Sawzaw and GfS. LH has had a consistent persona and handle for many years. GfS and Sazaw change handles and post under other names with impunity. They deserve only to be ignored. LH...I read.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 04:40 PM

Jeez! He did it again, even before I had a chance to post.

PTUI!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 04:36 PM

Oh, crap!

I inadvertently read Sawzaw's post just above.

It is as if Bobert, say, living in a neighborhood where there are dozens of dogs wandering around, comments, "Dogs are pooping on my front lawn."

Then Sawzaw comes in and demands, "Name which dogs!"

They're ALL doing it, Sawz. That's what dogs do-do!

Give it a rest. You're attacks on Bobert are doing nothing but making you look even MORE ridiculous. And demonstrates graphically that you, indeed, ARE stalking him.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 04:34 PM

John P:

Who needs to defend something they did not say?

You are making statements that you need to defend.

Filngin insults is the way the Tea Party haters operate.

And finally it is the Democrats who are now overspending and diluting your savings.

Did the Tea Party ruin people's retirements in Greece?

"Give us what we want or we will shoot this economy!"

Who said that? You said it and you are trying to put the words in some else's mouth like when Bobert calls The President a Ni***h and pretends someone else said it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 03:38 PM

"The right wing is spending big $$$ on bloggers and bomb throwers"

Name one, Bobert the Blowhard. Name a Dixiecrat.


"Perhaps you mean Gaza, which is one of the most densely populated places in the world."

Ask Bobert. It was one of his "facts" that he presented here and according to him he is very Don't hold you breath for the source.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 03:32 PM

I do not believe that the Tea Party is—directly—a terrorist organization. But—

They are a bunch of very angry people, ranging in political orientation from conservative to extreme Right-Wing, most of whom identify themselves as Republicans, but some of those who are furthest to the Right are calling for a third party, the nature of which they have not delineated, but who argue for little or no government at all and complete elimination of regulations on financial institutions—and on corporations.

They also tend to embrace the writings and philosophy of Ayn Rand.

[Note to Gfs:   This is NOT "opinion." This is what they say themselves.]

Note:    Ayn Rand's philosophy, while not identical, has many strong parallels with the philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche, especially Nietzsche's concept of the Übermensch, literally "Overman," but generally translated as "Superman." The Übermensch is above the morality of ordinary people. They determine their own morality. You can get an idea of where Ayn Rand is going with this from the title of one of her non-fiction books, The Virtue of Selfishness. And you can see this idea of the "Superman" playing itself out in Ayn Rand's novels, in portrayals of some of her characters in, for example, Atlas Shrugged:   Hank Reardon, Dagny Taggart, Francisco d'Anconia, and, especially, John Galt.   

It should not be necessary to remind people that Nietzsche, especially his concept of the "Superman," was embraced by Adolph Hitler and his cabal in Germany in the 1930s. And that Benito Mussolini defined Fascism as "The combined power of the Corporations and the State."

The current trend in this country, pushed by the Right Wing in general, and by seeming loose groups like the Tea Party (but carefully steered by people like the Kochs) strike me as very ominous echoes of the same ideas that were steering Germany in the 1930s.

Judging from the behavior of some, there are people who appear at political events at which the Tea Party is present who would make very good, and more than willing, Brownshirts. And judging from some of the placards carried, racism is rife in the Tea Party.

Is the Tea Party a terrorist group? Well, I think that depends on how you define "terrorist group."

Don Firth

P. S.   It is interesting to note that a large percentage of Tea Party members identify themselves as evangelical Christians. Despite their objections to government regulations, not to mention their insistence on strict obedience to the Constitution, they want the government to pass laws prohibiting behavior that their particular churches regard as sinful. And some have gone on record as endorsing the assassination of doctors who work in abortion clinics, and/or fire-bombing the clinics themselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: John P
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 03:24 PM

Opinions, Opinions, Opinions.....and nothing to substantiate any of it!...
...and I'm not even a Tea partier...but the hate and lies shown by these 'open-minded so-called liberals' is appalling!!


Sorry, GfS, not good enough. You'll have to be more specific. Are you including me in your "hate and lies" assessment? What did I say that was hateful or a lie? Why do you think so? Can you explain your own views in a way that involves responding to individuals instead of to a generalized "open-minded so-called liberals"?

Oh, and while you're bugging Bobert for not responding to something or the other of Sawzaw's, I'd still like you to tell me the logic behind your contradictory statements regarding freedom, the Constitution, and gay marriage. I've heard you talk a lot about freedom for all Americans and about following the letter of the Constitution, and I've heard you talk a lot about limiting the freedoms and Constitutional rights of some Americans. Which is it, and why? Do you agree with the Tea Party stance on whether or not gay Americans should have limitations put their freedom and rights?

Does using bullying tactics, both physical and political, against a legally disenfranchised minority fall within your definition of terrorism? If not, how would you describe it, and why?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 02:16 PM

Opinions, Opinions, Opinions.....and nothing to substantiate any of it!...
...and I'm not even a Tea partier...but the hate and lies shown by these 'open-minded so-called liberals' is appalling!!

Oh, and Bobert, find your proof yet??

...back to calm....
not that I wasn't....

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 01:36 PM

What the Tea Old Party is doing now with the debt limit amounts to terrorism. "Give us what we want or we will shoot this economy!"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: John P
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 01:13 PM

The Tea Party a terrorist organization? After thousands of posts, no one who likes the Tea Party has explained why they feel the need to show up at political meetings with guns. I call that terrorism. What do you call it?

Is the Tea Party a stupid organization? Take a look at Congress, with the Tea Party getting close to shutting down the government in order to protect the ability of the mega-rich to continue to shaft the rest of us. And that's not even getting into the idea that the only way to get anything done in politics is to be willing to compromise. These yahoos are about to destroy my retirement savings -- yours as well, if you have any. And do they really think they're all going to get elected again after the asses they are making of themselves right now?

Is the Tea Party a moral organization? Their darling Sarah Palin is best known as a craven liar. Their other darling Michelle Bachman is best known for her desire to overthrow the Constitution of the United States by establishing a state religion.

Can anyone offer any defense of the activities of the Tea Party that isn't a cut and paste from a right wing blog?

Can anyone offer any defense of the activities of the Tea Party that isn't an attack on some other political group, in the "they do it so why shouldn't I?" vein (think about the morality question).

Can anyone offer any defense of the activities of the Tea Party that doesn't include flinging insults at other people in the discussion?

Can anyone offer any defense of the activities of the Tea Party that doesn't include telling other people that they are some liberal idiot conspiracy brainwashed agenda, thus removing for yourself the need to take them seriously?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Stringsinger
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 11:41 AM

The Tea-o-cracy Party is being financed by the Koch Brothers who, as in the case of Karl Rove are whistling "Onward Christian Soldiers" cheerfully as they bear their arms to political rallies.

Proof is in the eye of the beholder; it does no good with someone with a rigid mindset.

Whose sanity are we talking about here?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 09:50 AM

Bobert: "Whose figures??? Right wing bloggers??? Sawz???"

YOU MADE THE CLAIM...NOW PROVE IT!!.....

Fair enough?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 09:18 AM

Whose figures??? Right wing bloggers??? Sawz???

Get real, GfinS... Wake up and smell the coffee... You are showing your "ignorance"... No, here's a better idea... Learn something from verifiable sources... Read the New Yorker article on the Koch brothers... Google "Citizens United" and read how much undisclosed $$$ is being thrown to defeat Obama... Someone is paying for the barrage of anti-Obama ads that are plastering Big Media... If you watch an hours worth of TV you'll see at least one ad... Those ads ain't free... Who is paying for them??? Hint: it ain't George Soros...

In other words, get you head outta the right wing spin turbine and get some fresh air... As in "the truth"... It's there for the taking...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 12:30 AM

According to the figures..you got that completely backwards!

Now what??..Another lie??

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 11:13 PM

Soros = David

Koch Brothers = Goliath

Comparing the BIG $$$'s that the Koch Brothers have spent ***to buy government*** compared to the pennies that Soros has thrown toward ***pro-human*** causes is a joke on your part...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 11:00 PM

Well, It looks like you've finally conceded to the fact that you've lost this stupid premise. The Tea Party is NOT a terrorist organization, and for you to accuse fellow AMERICANS of a differing opinion, of being 'terrorists' is nothing more than inciting more divisions, in this already divided time! Shame on you!..and shame on you who support this position!! You've become the very intolerant 'brown shirts' you say you dislike! I thought being 'liberal' means you also have an open and liberal mind, that allows others the freedom, allowed you, to have a differing opinion, and speak their minds...but you don't, and therefore, you are phony.
Bobert jumps on the Koch Bros. for supporting the Tea gang, and when Sawzaw points out that Soros has funded WAY more, than the Kochs, he can't bring himself to admit that, he is nothing more than 'calling the kettle black'! We should NOT be engaged in provoking divisions, with such hatred with violent undertones, amongst our own citizens!!
Then enter the wannabe 'political agitators', whose time has gone, but find an opportunity to relive some old delusions of theirs. You hate, you censor, you slur, and you suck!!
Get over it..you are wrong, and sewing divisions amongst fellow Americans is wrong!...especially when you are also claiming to be a 'Christian'..as you both have.
The reason I use the term 'so-called liberals', is that in fact, you ARE NOT liberal at ALL...actually, more like the 'liberal' Phil Ochs sang about.....bullshit con artists, with not an ounce of a liberal heart, or attitude!!! YOU are just as much, or more up tight and anal retentive, than the farthest of the far right. Not good!..especially for musicians!
So, I'll leave you with a tune, in two parts...you have to get past the instrumental to get to the last verse.....it fits you!..and a GREAT PIECE, as well!!!!!

Part one

Part two

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 10:33 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 09:16 PM

Literacy PERIOD and the Tea Party are not compatible.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:36 PM

Economic literacy and the Tea Party are not compatible.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:35 PM

So the worst/best you boys can do is to yell loudly at each other that you are ignoring the other. That so in so has no credibility. That you are right and they are insane. From my seat it sounds like AM radio teaching what one must think of Obama to be a real American.

The tea party counterparts in Norway are the same as people here. The rhetoric is the same. The gun play is the same. The fertilizer bomb is the same as McVeigh. The child victims are the same.
That they appear sane at a distance is the same. They feel morally superior and right the same way. They are even right wing extremist in the same way.

Games are being played here in knee jerk fashion. PM's pleading people to pledge a no talk zone surrounding so in so. Been there done that to me already.

SOme games are the mean guy gamer who defies logic, gives a left field example and then asks for one counter example or refutation, then sneers and insults the rest.

Some people play the 'fail to understand' game, it is when they know better but pretend to not understand and say you really mean what they say you mean. Thats you Jack. I know you. You are smarter than that.

I also know that everything a person thinks here comes through the filter of their belief system. Its like the brain is a lawyer only looking for the salient facts or hyperbole to defend their client's belief.

So

For an entire day, take a break. Realize what your filter is.
COme to grip with what just happened in you and in Norway. See that the other guy isn't saying exactly what you may have thought.

Trade places and look for commonalities. anything. one thing.
Think of yourself as a parent of a murdered child by the self described killer groups.


This is a make or break time gents.

If you can't get it together with your fellow musicians, you are destined to lock and load and fire on a child in your future, no matter how unlikely civil war seems to you now.


Even a temporary truce, pretending you were just joking, is better than some recent behavior.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:20 PM

Well, in one of Sawz former lives here at Mudville, either as Old Guy or Dickey, he thinks he asked me a question??? Back then, I did answer his questions... I remember going head to head with him in the Katrinagate thread... It went over 800 posts and in that amount of time he asked me a lot of load "Are you still beating your wife" type gothca questions but I answered them...

But here's the deal with Sawz... If he doesn't like your answer he says you dind't answer it at all...

Now that GfinS has joined the SawzCult she is doing the exact same thing??? There are all these unknown questions in the SawzCult that others get accused of not answering??? I guess it's a cult think, I donno... What I do know is that Sawz and his disciples are evidence of two theories:

1. There are more horses asses than there are horses and...

2. Some folks here have/had grand daddies that apparently carnal knowledge of buffalo...

Other than that, I guess this is what you expect of people who have no understanding or either economics or American History both of which, with a few credit hours of continuing education, I would *again* be certified to teach at the high school level... But that's just a sidebar...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:19 PM

Little Hawk, who chooses to sit in the lotus position with his feet in his lap, levitating and floating up there around the ceiling, and intoning quotations from the books of Alan Watts....

Sawzaw, Little Hawk and GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:00 PM

I patiently told you why they weren't trying to refute Sawzaw's nonesense. But you just kept right on a screaming and a yabbering and insulting people.

Give me one good reason why I should bother to read another single post by you?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 07:51 PM

From what little I've been quick-scanning Sawzaw's posts lately (like an astronaut on an alien planet, looking for signs of intelligent life), I don't see that he's actually asking any questions. Just cutting and pasting from Right Wing blogs.

So, what's to answer?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 07:26 PM

Yeah, I'm with you, Don...

Since GfinS has joined the Tea Party she hasn't been much fun... or lucid either... And these constant "you didn't answer Saws questions" when no one read his delusional posts other than her and the other Axis of Evil, LH, is getting to be just like that little dog: noise and no real bite... I mean, there's no beef in her posts anymore... Just loonie???

I don't get it???

But then again, in spite of my years working with crazy people, I find them interesting but I don't get them either...

Oh well...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 06:21 PM

You know, for one last go, a sort of "farewell and adieu," I tried to read GfinS's last post, but other than general hysteria, it reminded me of the Yorkshire terrier that belongs to the nice lady across the street. He makes about as much sense.

Coming home from work one afternoon, I was driving down my street heading for my garage, and suddenly the Yorkie runs out in the middle of the street right in front of me and tries to face me down. He's barking so vigorously that with each "YAP!" all four feet leave the pavement. I stopped, as not to run over him. He was such a runt that I probably could have driven right over him and not even touched him, but the way he was acting, he probably would have tried to bite one of my tires, which could possibly lead to his getting his empty little head mashed.

It got pretty funny in a frustrating sort of way. I tried to ease the car forward, hoping that he would back down. But no! He just barked all the more vigorously. I was on the verge of getting out of the car, grabbing him, and throwing him over the hedge, but the woman who owned him came dashing out of her house, scooped him up, and apologized profusely. We got to laughing as, there, safe in her restraining arms, he was still barking at me as if he wanted to tear a leg off.

But then, I'm generally kind to dumb animals. . . .

Don Firth ("YAP! YAP! YAP!" yourself!)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 06:20 PM

Well, I'm honored..being as you have nothing to say...even after I backed you up. So, throw your tantrums all you want, but its worthless. All I asked for, and not particularly from JtS(who should re-read my reply to him, being as it re-enforces him, rather than attacks him), but it's all a PLOY to mask the FACT, that those attacking Sawzaw, have done so, only using caustic rhetoric, with NOTHING..I repeat, NOTHING as a valid, reasonable shred of factual support to their position!...And that pissed you off??????????????
Me thinks you are even shallower, than I would have ever imagined, or thought to imagine.
It has happened repeatedly on here, where someone cites a link or a source, for their position, and some of you just get into some sort of behavioral pissy-fit, for apparently no reason, other than you have nothing to say, and don't like what the other poster says...or it 'insults' you fraudulent indoctrinations, and have no other recourse, other than whining like a bunch of stuck pigs.
Jeez Louise, is this what your 'political awareness' has brought you to????????....I'd look in a different direction, if that's all you've become! ...and you expect ANYONE to 'respect' your ideas??????
Time to put away the computer, and break out your Tinkertoys!!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 04:14 PM

More like a waste of space & air.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 03:54 PM

gFs YOU ARE A NASTY PERSON AND A WASTE OF MY TIME.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 03:52 PM

Still no refutations on Sawzaw's links..just more rantings, until your sphincters slam shut...then attack ANYONE who disagrees with your silly assertions. Bobert says NO one is reading Sawzaw's posts. That, as clearly seen, is flagrantly not true....as JtS, and myself, and anyone commenting on them, has. Once again, you guys make up shit, and then go on, like you made some 'profound truth'..and ONLY based on your 'wishful thinking'....such is the life of whacked ideologues! Disregard the plain evidence in front of them, just to push some asinine agenda. Who pays you guys?..Some outreach of an international banker???...Oh, wait a minute, they only pay the people you get your silliness...you do it for free!
So, attack the people who may shed light on the subject, because you might just find out that your rose colored glasses, might have 'blather splatter' from your over active bladder. If you can't support your claims, then it is YOU, who has fallen down, not those people who you can't logically, and forthrightly rebut....No matter who you slam, or what you say. So go stick your heads back into the sand, or any closer warm moist orifice, and blow bubbles. Your rap is getting NO traction! Just refute and or/rebut the claims, and lay off the attempts to discredit the poster, with absolutely NOTHING of substance to back up your position. This is NOT an unreasonable request, in a civil discourse......unless, of course, you can't. In that case, be 'grown up' enough to ask questions, OR SOMETHING to shed more light, on what you can't seem to answer...because if you can't, and just engage in childish attempts to call him names, and/or slur him, it might be because he's right, and you're only running on arrogance, and the fear of denting your superegos.
What?? You think we can't help each other??
(That's why I thought Don, at least shines when he posts about musical history!!)

Regards,

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 03:09 PM

who choses to sit in the lotus position with his feet in his lap, levitating and floating up there around the ceiling

That is a very funny caricature.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 03:00 PM

A+, Don, especially the part about the slinky...

But, yeah... Seems the Axis of Evil (GfinS, Sawz and LH) have banded against the "liberals"... What next??? People running thru the streets screaming like in some 60s Japanese horror flick...

I mean, if any of them got cancer they would be seeking out the best and brightest doctors but when it comes to the US economy they are perfectly willing to let the Koch brothers and Dick Armey call the shots using the Tea Part as their bidders and shills...

Fact is stranger than fiction...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 02:41 PM

You know, GfinS, you keep saying that you're not an extreme Right-Winger, but here you are, making snotty and insulting remarks about people here whom you know nothing about but nevertheless dub "liberals," and generally being bitchy to anyone who doesn't talk like an old fascist with senile dementia.

You're credibility is ZIP. You're joining Sawzaw AND, unfortunately, Little Hawk (who choses to sit in the lotus position with his feet in his lap, levitating and floating up there around the ceiling, and intoning quotations from the books of Alan Watts) in that nobody wants to waste their time and energy reading your posts anymore.

And NO, it's not because you're so brilliantly right (except in the political spectrum sense), it's because you don't really have anything to say. You read like the ravings of a Teabagger who has no ideas of his own and who flunked all his English classes. Even your insults are kind of puerile compared to those of the average snot-nosed schoolyard bully.

####

Due to the fact that I have a life in the 3D world, I don't have a lot of time to play today, kids, but this thought did occur to me:

Sawzaw and GfS, and for that matter, Little Hawk, are very much like slinkies. They aren't actually good for anything, but they ARE kind of amusing to watch if you push them down a long flight of stairs.

Don Firth


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