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BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??

Sawzaw 29 Jun 11 - 08:02 PM
Bobert 29 Jun 11 - 07:40 PM
John P 29 Jun 11 - 07:26 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 08:02 PM

Tell us professor of race studies Bobert, are these racist statements?

"Is you their black-haired answer-mammy who be smart? Does they like how you shine their shoes, Condoleezza? Or the way you wash and park the whitey’s cars?"

"Blacks and Hispanics are 'too busy eating watermelons and tacos' to learn how to read and write."

"Kiss A Nigger Good Morning."


Or an example of Ritual Defamation?

Were these the words of a Tea partier or a redn**k racist?

A liberal or a conservative?

A democrat or a republican?

You have the podium and we are anxiously waiting for your learned response.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 07:40 PM

That about sums it up, John...

When I was a social worker in "adult services' in Richmond my caseload was heavily tilted toward clients with mental illnesses... And I learned more than I'd like to know about metal illnesses... There was a clinical term, "personality disorder", that kinda became the catch-all for illnesses that couldn't be better defined...

Sawz, at the very *least* has a "personality disorder"... Maybe worse than that, I donno... But, I agree that he needs some serious counseling and maybe some med for his OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder)...

It's sad...

I mean, if you look at his 2:35 post what jumps out is that Sawz is well beyond discussions... He probably has pieces of paper all over an entire wall of things I have said not only here in Mudburg but at other websites as well... This post alone would get a judge in Virgina considering a "green warrant" to have him hauled in for "evaluation" at the mental health facility...

Like I said, "It's sad" but...

...glad it ain't me...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: John P
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 07:26 PM

Sawzaw, calling Bobert a bigot defines how thoroughly you are willing to assign incorrect meanings to things you read. It appears that this disability affects other aspects of you intellectual life, like your understanding of politics, economy, and science. You may want to see a doctor, or apply for a disability pension.

Or you could just pay more attention . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 07:07 PM

"Take the body of my writings to any professor on race studies"

Who? where? Like I have asked a thousand times. You won't answer.

Another bluff. Another excuse for racist comments and bigotry.

You take your racist, hatefilled statements and project them on other people. You are bigoted and you will not tolerate anyone elses point of view you you try to demonize them for things you concocted.

Is that what these professors on race studies do? Blame other people for shit they said?

The guy you projected the KKK and Al Quaeda on has more in common with you than the KKK or Al Quaeda.

You tell people they have to be afraid of those Tea Party racist killers and then claim THEY are the ones spreading hate and fear.

This is a Marxist tactic known as "ritual defamation".

Perhaps the professor I need to see to approve your racist statements is in Lenningrad.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 06:10 PM

Forget Paul Ryan fir a minute... Michelle Bachmann not only takes federal farm subsidies money but has also come up with her own BIG LIE about it... Even though the money goes into the partnership account for which she takes "draws" (money) she says that the money she takes isn't the same money that the feds give her family... Hey, it is co-mingled with other funds and that makes her statements about it very suspect...

Thanks, Greg F... Yes, Sawz does need to get another hobby horse...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 05:36 PM

But perhaps there should have been one more corporate catagory. Corporation pays lobbyist hundreds of thousands to funnel millions, to petition politician to rezone your land and 2 cows as a public park, State Governor in exchange for millions in campaign contributions sells newly acquired public land, including 2 public utilities, to corporate fat cat for $1 and other considerations.



DEMOCRAT

You have two cows.
Your neighbor has none.
You feel guilty for being successful.
You push for higher taxes so the government can provide cows for everyone.

   

REPUBLICAN

You have two cows.
Your neighbor has none.
So?

   

SOCIALIST

You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor. You form a cooperative to tell him how to manage his cow.

   

COMMUNIST

You have two cows. The government seizes both and provides you with milk. You wait in line for hours to get it. It is expensive and sour.

   

CAPITALISM, AMERICAN STYLE

You have two cows. You sell one, buy a bull, and build a herd of cows.

   

BUREAUCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE

You have two cows. Under the new farm program, the government pays you to shoot one, milk the other, and then pour the milk down the drain.

   

AMERICAN CORPORATION

You have two cows. You sell one, lease it back to yourself and do an IPO on the 2nd one.
You force the two cows to produce the milk of four cows. You are surprised when one cow drops dead.
You spin an announcement to the analysts stating you have downsized and are reducing expenses.
Your stock goes up.

   

FRENCH CORPORATION

You have two cows. You go on strike because you want three cows. You go to lunch and drink wine.
Life is good

   

JAPANESE CORPORATION

You have two cows. You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty times the milk. They learn to travel on unbelievably crowded trains. Most are at the top of their class at cow school.

   

GERMAN CORPORATION

You have two cows. You engineer them so they are all blond, drink lots of beer, give excellent quality milk, and run a hundred miles an hour. Unfortunately, they also demand 13 weeks of vacation per year.

   

ITALIAN CORPORATION

You have two cows but you don't know where they are.
You break for lunch. Life is good.

   

RUSSIAN CORPORATION

You have two cows. You drink some vodka.
You count them and learn you have five cows.
You drink some more vodka. You count them again and learn you have 42 cows. The Mafia shows up and takes over however many cows you really have.

   

TALIBAN CORPORATION

You have all the cows in Afghanistan , which are two. You don't milk them because you cannot touch any creature's private parts. You get a $40 million grant from the US   government to find alternatives to milk production but use the money to buy weapons.

   

IRAQI CORPORATION

You have two cows. They go into hiding.
They send radio tapes of their mooing.

   


POLISH CORPORATION

You have two bulls. Employees are regularly maimed and killed attempting to milk them.

   

BELGIAN CORPORATION

You have one cow. The cow is schizophrenic.
Sometimes the cow thinks he's French, other times he's Flemish. The Flemish cow won't share with the French cow. The French cow wants control of the Flemish cow's milk.
The cow asks permission to be cut in half. The cow dies happy.

   

FLORIDA CORPORATION

You have a black cow and a brown cow. Everyone votes for the best looking one. Some of the people who actually like the brown one best accidentally vote for the black one. Some people vote for both. Some people vote for neither. Some people can't figure out how to vote at all. Finally, a bunch of guys from out-of-state tell you which one you think is the best looking cow.

   

CALIFORNIA CORPORATION

You have millions of cows. They make real California cheese. Only five speak English. Most are illegal.
Arnold likes the ones with the big udders.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 05:35 PM

Jeezis, Sawz, wouldja get a new freakin' hobby horse to ride?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 05:11 PM

Paul Ryan leases land to Oil Companies who receive subsidies he votes to give them
29. June 2011 - 3:58

A Shocking Conflict of Interest?

When Republican Congressman Paul Ryan was asked at a town hall meeting in Waterford, WI, about the need to end subsidies to oil companies, he responded, "I agree." [1]

But just one week later, Ryan voted to give Big Oil billions in taxpayer-funded handouts. [2]

Now comes the shocking revelation that Congressman Ryan and his family are making thousands of dollars from oil companies that lease their land companies that stand to benefit from the same tax breaks Ryan is pushing.

"Newsweek" and the "Daily Beast" reported recently on what appears to be Ryan's shocking conflict of interest:

"The financial disclosure report Ryan filed with Congress last month and made public this week shows he and his wife, Janna, own stakes in four family companies that lease land in Texas and Oklahoma to the very energy companies that benefit from the tax subsidies in Ryan's budget plan.

"Ryan's father-in-law, Daniel Little, who runs the companies, told Newsweek and The Daily Beast that the family companies are currently leasing the land for mining and drilling to energy giants such as Chesapeake Energy, Devon, and XTO Energy, a recently acquired subsidiary of ExxonMobil.

"Some of these firms would be eligible for portions of the $45 billion in energy tax breaks and subsidies over 10 years protected in the Wisconsin lawmaker's proposed budget." [3]

Not only has Ryan voted to give Big Oil companies like ExxonMobil billions in government handouts, but as the article notes he has also proposed a 2012 budget that also gives Big Oil billions in special tax breaks. [4] And as the point person on the budget for the Republican House leadership, Ryan has significant sway and influence on the congressional budget process.

At a time when middle-class families are feeling the pinch of an economy still on the rebound and state governments are facing massive budget shortfalls, Ryan is asking American taxpayers to continue providing massive government handouts for some of the world's most profitable companies all while his family stands to benefit from some of those same companies' profits.

Tell Congressman Paul Ryan that championing special tax breaks for Big Oil while profiting from the oil industry is wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 03:54 PM

No reason trying to explain race to you, Sawz... Like I have said a thousand times: Take the body of my writings to any professor on race studies and they may have better shot at busting the concrete in your head...

BTW, I stand 100% behind everything I have written and have real life experiences to understand things are obviously beyond your intellectual grasp when it come to race, civil rights and farnkly, most everything else in the universe...

Now either take my writings to a Professor or Race Studies or shut the heck up... You are like a gnat in many respects and...

...my apologies to gnats every where...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 02:35 PM

Profile of racist bigots:

Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance
From: Bobert - PM
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 05:40 PM

First of all, I do find the term Negro offensive and patronizing.

With that said, I too am concerned about the continued variance on educational and emplyment between blacks and whites.

I believe a national discussion on "race" is long overdue and America very much needs to not dance around *slavery*. Slavery still haunts our society some 140 years after the Emancipation Procamation. We also need to refocus resources that will provide hope to the inner city population, black and white. We are not doing a very good job on the. I remember when the "summer jobs" program was funded somewhat adaqutely and it had a level of success. We also need to spend oney on a PR program that offers some alternatives to the "cool" to be either *less cool* or *more cool* depending of ones defination.

I think that people who feel disenfranchised are not going to walk the extra mile for acceptance. I'm not say that some won't but the most won't.

Unfortuately, we're not going to move on creating a more hopeful society under the current administration. Not that the last one was all that great, but it was way beyond the current administration.

Bobert

From: Bobert - PM
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 09:12 PM

I don't consider Condi a "token Negro" but very much a "house Negro"

I consider Condi squarely in the "house Negro" category. No racism here [writes himself a pass]... Just fact [another Bobert "fact"]... Condi Rice would be no safer in some of the nieghborhoods I know down in D.C. than Bush, Boss Hog or George Wallace, fir that matter... [does this mean the people in those areas are violent racists?]

Bobert

From: Bobert - PM
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 08:28 AM

In a world dominiated by *white guys* it's highly unlikely that a person of color will ever rise to power. Whitey [a pejorative] jus' has the deck stacked against that ever occuring. Oh sure, he'll promote lots of folks to the position of "House Negro" but you can be sure that these folks won't get any higher than that position, Condi being Exhibit A...

Bobert

From: Bobert - PM
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 06:58 PM

First of all, Dougie, I know my way around a dojo, so neither House Negro Condi of House Negro Colin scare me in the slightest. If either or both of 'um make a move toward me you'll be helping them up off the floor.[physical threat] No brag. Just fact.

Secondly, if they were standing right here, right now in front of me, yeah, I'd confront 'um. They are House Negros. Study a little "History of the South". I took it in college. And that was in Richmond, Va., the capitol of the Confederacy. C & C are very much House Negros in that they do the massa's bidding... They are not folks in power but probably less powerful than the average guy on the street since they have both sold out to whitey [a pejorative]...

That's what House Negros do...

Sell out...

Problem I have with Clarence Thomas isn't that he's trying to get along but with whom...

His decisions are not world view decisions... They are, excuse me, "Uncle Tom" decisons... He is, IMO, what was once know as a "Porch (house) Negro"

Well danged, pdc, shes a lot easier on the eyes than the other porch negro, Colin

Princeton wordnet: whitey, honky, honkey, honkie ((slang) offensive names for a White man)

[PM] Sawzaw         BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration (2556* d)         RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration         07 Jan 09

    Al Qaeda Plays the Malcolm Card
    By Salim Muwakkil

    When media reports emerged that al Qaeda's second in command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, disparaged President-elect Barack Hussein Obama as a "house negro," it angered many in the black community. However, it also struck a chord.

    The Egyptian physician who is reportedly Osama bin Laden's confidant actually used the phrase "house slave," but it was later translated as "house negro."

    Al-Zawahiri said, "You [Obama] represent the direct opposite of honorable black Americans like Malik al-Shabazz or Malcolm X," who "condemned the crimes of the Crusader West against the weak and oppressed, and he declared his support for peoples resisting American occupation."

    The al Qaeda leader said Obama, Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice "confirmed" Malcolm X's definition of a "house slave." He was referring to Malcolm X's distinction between slave-era "house Negroes," who lived comfortably in the big house abetting white supremacy, and "field negroes," who toiled in the fields under the whip, plotting resistance.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 09:08 AM

Group linked to billionaire Koch brothers seeks end to New York role in greenhouse gas curb

Group linked to oilmen billionaires sues state to pull out of program

By BRIAN NEARING Staff writer, Wednesday, June 29, 2011

ALBANY -- A group tied to conservative Kansas petrochemical billionaires who fund campaigns to deny man-made climate change is pushing a lawsuit to kill New York's participation in a program to cut greenhouse gases.

The lawsuit seeks to bounce New York out of the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative, a 10-state program applied to electric power plants in the Northeast. Filed Monday in state Supreme Court in Albany County, the suit's lead plaintiff is Lisa Thrun, a Buffalo leader of Americans for Prosperity, a conservative political action group supported by oilmen David and Charles Koch that is linked to the tea party movement.

RGGI is the nation's first state-level greenhouse gas cap-and-trade program, in which power plants must buy enough state-issued permits to cover emissions of carbon dioxide, which an international scientific consensus blames as the cause of man-made climate change....

Read more:
http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Group-linked-to-billionaire-Koch-brothers-seeks-1445005.php


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 02:38 AM

Yeah, well, Bobert, things like that just happen!!........(Praise God!)

Don, Thank you for your wonderful response!!! Time constraints, right now, from adequately responding back with all my thoughts, as I read your post..and BOY!..Did some thoughts get triggered!!!..so allow me to better respond tomorrow.

I can say, in this brief moment, that from the 'what it's worth department..., For about two years, every school day, on the way to taking the kids to school, I had breakfast with Giorgio Tozzi and his wife Marti. Tozzi is world renown as being in the 'top drawer' of basso/baritones, in the world...and his stellar performance role in 'Faust'. He and his wife were the vocal coaches for,(among others) Neil Diamond, Robert Plant, Barbra Streisand and Frank Sinatra. He also did the voice-over, for the Rogers and Hammerstein's film 'South Pacific', and has toured quite a bit with Howard Keel and Richard Kiley..plus a lot more stuff. During that time, he was the official host to the The Royal Opera from London's Covent Garden, when they visited Los Angeles. I believe, at this time he is living near Scottsdale, Arizona. When we knew him, he and his wife were living in Malibu, California, as was our family. We have since moved.

OK, for now...I'll get back to you...and I've got a 'dilly' of a question for ya'!

Regards!

GfS

P.S. ....and all of 'Mudcat' are rubbing their eyes in astounding surprise bewilderment!......Don and GfS????
Yes folks, gravity is just a rumor!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 10:30 PM

Danged!!! Went to a music website and a discussion on, ahhhhhh...

...music broke out!!!

Fact is stranger than fiction...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 07:38 PM

Temporary recess from throwing chairs at each other for a little discussion of things musical. I know it's thread drift, but if anyone objects, they can always write their congressional representative, which you should be doing as a matter of course anyway.

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GfS, I agree that Jackie Evancho's singing of Nessun Dorma was excellent. But—

Well, let's put it this way. I've been an opera bug since I was in my mid-teens. I have several full length operas on records that I bought back then, and more [CDs] that I've bought recently—and my wife and I have bought season tickets to Seattle Opera (Seattle Opera is supposed to be the fourth largest opera company in the country) since we got married 34 years ago.

There is nothing inconsistent about liking opera and singing traditional folk songs and ballads, as some might think. When some folkie comments on the nutty plots of some operas, my response is, "Take a look at some of the nutty plots in the ballads!" In my view, a ballad is like a mini-opera. And an opera is like a ballad on steroids. No inconsistency there at all!

I can't help but associate the arias with the characters in the opera who sing them. For example, the well-known aria, La donna è mobile, from the final act of Verdi's "Rigoletto" is sung by the lecherous young Duke of Mantua (tenor), trying to seduce Maddalena, the innkeeper's sister, after having had his way with Gilda. the daughter of Rigoletto, his hunchbacked jester, in the previous act. To hear a woman sing that ("Women are fickle!") along with the rest of the lyrics generally denigrating women, would just be kinda weird.

In "Turandot" (taken from an old Persian legend), the title character is the Empress of China. She is obligated to marry and produce an heir, but due to something ghastly that a man did to one of her female ancestors, she has vowed never to have anything to do with men. She has set up a test:   any man who comes a-courtin' must answer three riddles. If he answers them, she will marry him. If he fails, she has his head lopped off, put on a pike, and left there for all to see. Quite a deterrent! But she is very beautiful, and also, she IS the empress, and a measure of power goes with being the prince-consort, so guys keep sticking their necks out, so to speak. She's got quite a collection of heads outside her residence, the Forbidden City.

Calàf, a young traveler (actually, the Prince of Persia) sees her and falls madly in love. He rings the gong. She lays the three riddles on him, and to her horror, he answers them correctly! She's aghast! But she can't help but notice that he is kind of a hunk, so things could be worse. Neverthless, she's so upset that Calàf offers her an out:   a riddle of his own. If she can learn his name before the following sunrise, he'll let her out of the deal and go quietly to the headsman.

So on the Empress's orders, the whole palace, all the servants, soldiers, everyone, is up and scurrying about all night, asking people, even torturing people, trying to find out who this young upstart suitor is. With all this running around and general activity in the wee small hours of the morning, Calàf is himself awake and watching. This is when he sings the aria, Nessun Dorma. Rough translation from Italian to English:
No one shall sleep! No one shall sleep!
Even you, o, Princess, in your cold room,
Are watching the stars that tremble with love and with hope.
But my secret is hidden within me,
My name no one shall know. . . .
No one. . . .   No one. . . .
I will reveal it only when the sun rises.
My kiss will dissolve the silence and I will make you mine!
Vanish, o night! Go down, stars! Go down!
At dawn, I shall win!
I shall win! I shall win!
Here's the aria in context, sung by Franco Corelli, a handsome young tenor from a few decades back, in a live performance from the stage of the Metropolitan Opera:   Fasten your seat belt!

Now, musically and vocally, Jackie did a very nice job of singing the aria, and she really got into it, which, I think, is the mark of real talent and real promise. But considering the number of soprano arias there are that she could sing just as well, and which would be thoroughly appropriate to a young woman's singing voice, Nessun Dorma was a really weird choice.

On the "Great Performances" broadcast, David Foster indicated that he was "helping" Jackie pick her repertoire, and as I mentioned earlier, I'm sure he chose Nessun Dorma, not because it would show off Jackie's voice to advantage, but because—due to Pavarotti's doing it at the drop of a hat over the last couple of decades—the aria is well known. But—what it's actually all about is not, except to someone who is either familiar with the opera it comes from, or who can understand Italian.

I can think of a couple of fairly well-known arias that Jackie could try on for size if she were so inclined. One is
Ebben? Ne andrò lontana (please excuse the brief but intrusive commercial at the start) from an obscure opera called "La Wally" by Alfredo Catalani. After many trials and tribulations, the heroine and her lover decide to leave their home village, and it all ends rather badly. They're killed in an avalanche. The aria is well-known, in that it was dug out of obscurity and featured in the French movie "Diva" (1981), that played in art theaters in the U. S. and a number of times on television. Although, to my knowledge, the opera is rarely if ever done anymore, but since the movie, many sopranos have picked it up as a concert or recital piece.

Another that is pretty well known these days is Song to the Moon from Dvorak's "Rusalka." A "rusalka" is a water sprite, and this particular one is in love with the local Handsome Prince (strange how they rarely seem to fall in love with the local ugly garbage collector!). She can only come out of the water at night, and he, of course, has no gills. Nor does he even know of her existence. So she is invoking the power of the moon to somehow intercede for her. The opera is based on a Slavic legend or folk tale, and it may be the story that Hans Christian Andersen based his well-known fairy tale, "The Little Mermaid" on.

Renée Fleming (the young lady on the videos I linked to) was absolutely furious at Disney Studios for prettying the story up and giving it a happy ending. It's supposed to be a real tear-jerker!

Anyhow—

I think these two arias are ones that Jackie could do quite well with. That is, if her young voice can handle their vocal demands without pushing it beyond where it should go at this stage of her development. But that would be for her voice teacher, NOT David Foster, to decide.

And, of course, if they are songs she might want to sing.

####

Okay folks, musical interlude over for now. Back to the usual insults, put-downs, nastiness, and displays of total lack of civility and the ability to reason, and generally behaving with the collective intelligence of a school of excitable piranhas.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 02:43 PM

Yo, GfinS...

It's one thing to understand what people are feeling and quite another to support policies which will hurt the country... Sure, the Tea Party folks are scared and pissed off... Fine... Those are legitimate feelings that lots of folks have left, right and in between...

However, when these scared and pissed off Tea Baggers are organized into a big mob to threaten people, to thwart dialogue, to not be willing to compromise and to carry out the wishes of their masters (Koch brothers, Dick Armey, Freedom Works, Fox, health insurance lobby, etc) without so much as an ounce of respect or understanding for those not "like" them, I have a big problem... And so does the country...

There is a reason there are no black faces at the Tea Party rallies... There is a reason there are no Democrats... This mob is not inclusive at all... They are intolerant... They are like Taliban-Lite except when they get carried away and put on their thug hats...

The worst part of this is that the folks who pull the strings of the Tea Party purdy much fly under the radar... They have spent hundreds of million$$$ hiring "community organizer", paying rent in office, furnishing buses and literature, etc. and what they have is a lynch mob ready and willing to shout you or me down over any policy that the masters want done away with... In other words: dupes!!! Yes, the Tea Party folks are complete dupes... They are working against their own interests and don't even have a clue what they are doing...

What we need in this country is the ***truth***... What we get are lies, lies and more lies... If people are given the truth about a policy then they tend to show their intelligent side... When people are fed horse manure they show their moron side... Right now the Tea Party is being fed 100% USDA Choice horse manure by their masters...

As for Sawz, GfinS... Nah, I don't need to address him or read his horse manure... He is a rude person, a cyber stalker and has a severe personality disorder... He is also not honest... The Bible syas there are people like that and tells us to "shake the dust from our robes"... I tried a long time with Sawz and the various people/handles he has been over the years and he is not worth my time... I don't write people off easily but once I do, it's done...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 01:12 PM

Don Firth: ".....but something like Nessun Dorma from Puccini's "Turandot" is totally inappropriate for her voice on a couple of counts. First, it was written for a tenor (the part of Calàf in the opera), and second, it is not a very easy aria to sing, even for a full-voiced tenor (signature piece for Luciano Pavarotti). I did notice, however, that she sang a much abbreviated version of it."

Personally, I thought her performance of 'Nessun Dorma' was not only phenomenal, it was a downright 'historic'!! Did you notice the expression on her face, after completing the last note??!!..Somewhere between ecstatic, and emotional, as if she just had just had the best EMOTIONALLY orgasmic sex of a lifetime and gave birth..all at the same time!...and offered it to her beloved! (Now I know she is a minor, and nothing more should be read into my prior statement, other than the 'emotional' part..and how she gave it her all!
That being said, I know Pavarotti had this piece as his signature piece, even did a movie about it('Yes Giorgio!')...and i loved when he sang it....BUT THAT performance that Jackie did, grabbed me far more than Luciano's. I've listened to it several times since recording it off the PBS special, on our large flat screen, as late as yesterday...and holy shit, I get choked up toward the final notes!! Jackie is just plain GIFTED, and like you, I really hope she does not get exploited, abused or messed with...or fall into the crap Charlotte Church fell into.
I'd be interested in your thoughts about her performance, if you'd care to share more of them...as much as we go 'round and round', I would appreciate YOUR thoughts in regard to this. I had several, that I thought about, that may be of interest....or at least a thoughtful exchange with you!


Bobert, The tone of your last posts were getting easier to put up with and digest....don't forget to comment on the posts that Sawzaw wanted you to comment on, as with mine.

Regards,
GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 11:32 PM

Bobert: "Secondly, GfinS, while you may think that you are so "classless and free" you are aligning yourself with the radical and emotional right of the Republican Party with the Tea Party..."

Actually, I just understand their feelings, as well as those from the 'far left'. Everybody has their valid points..everybody!...It is the lack of understanding, that the 'manipulators' from all sides, are counting on to keep us divided, while those 'bullshit solutions' are foisted upon us!...and in the end, final analysis, EVERYBODY gets cheated...EXCEPT the 'manipulators'....who are more in agreement with each other, than the blind-sided, unwittingly deceived, 'true believers'....who, though their hearts are divided, against each other, are generally well intentioned folks....just deceived....so they fight..like on here...
What happens is they put their agendas ahead of the fact, that America has been, and could still be a kick-ass country, like no other! All the sides, were NOT the reason the nation grew, nor could they be the reason a nation could develop, as ours did...but they ALL want to steer it into their 'corners', if you will, and they all share an agenda which to accomplish their goals, require the stripping away of our liberties and freedoms to facilitate their manipulators!....including the 'far left'..as well as the 'far right', and the offshoots of both of them. The key is, instead of finding fault in each OTHERS eyes, why not make those same adjustments on YOUR side of the street, and where you find error, stop making excuses for them, and acknowledge them, and back away, where you find manipulations, half truths, and out front lies!
Hey, if someone wants to gain control of me, by lying to me, FUCK THEM, and the horse they rode in on. If I blindly buy into it, 'for the party's sake', well, fuck me! ..........
I got too much real creating to do, to give any of them any serious part of my mind, and those whose lies are just too out front to ignore, I just 'throw them the crazy', and usually, those who promote their bullshit....no matter which party, or faction, at that particular time!
As it stands now, ALL of them, and ALL their 'final' solutions defy gravity, in their long-winded, falsely 'astute', sloppily slapped together rationalizations.
I'd rather compose stuff that grabs the heart, BEFORE the place where is gets cluttered, with political nonsense!...and speak to us there!!
This is the part that needs to be built up...so if anyone is going to save their asses, their ass better be worth 'saving'!!

Oh well...nice to hear back from you, in a more cohesive tone.....

Regards,
GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 09:32 PM

Here, pdq.

If you have the guts for it, here is an article written by quite probably the one human being who knew her and her philosophy better than anyone else on earth.

CLICK

Pour yourself a cup of coffee and put your feet up before you start. It runs about 11,000 words.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 09:30 PM

The Tea Party folks are quoting her because the Koch brothers and Dick Armey are injecting Rand into the Tea Party... I'd bet you that 99% of the Tea Party folks never heard of her until the last year...

Actually, lots of folks who aren't Tea Party puppets probably hadn't heard of Ayn Rand either...

But the next move for the Koch/Armey folks is to try to do what rich people have tried to do for 60 years and that is us "Starve the beast" to kill the "New Deal"... The Tea Partiers are just pawns in a gme they have absolutely no understanding and in the end will hurt them and their children... Much like Hitler used the "brown shirts"... Ignorant pawns... Nothing more, nothing less...

I feel sorry for the folks here in Mudburg who have become ignorant pawns of people who couldn't give a flying fuck about them... This is a much larger game that is so far over the Tea Partiers heads that it is pathetic...

"Oh, gee, Ralph... How did all this occur???"

It occurred be cause stupid people were, ahhhhh, stupid... That how Hitler came to power and that is the same game plan for the Koch brothers, Rupert Muldock & Dick Armey...

They have one mission and one mission only: Kill the New Deal!!! No other mission is on their plate!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 09:08 PM

"Propaganda Minister Firth gives a link to a character assassination hit piece aimed at Ayn Rand."

pdq, I KNEW you were going to respond with something like that. Believe me, if I'd wanted to find a "character assassination hit piece," there were some really fierce ones out there I could have chosen. I picked this one because it gave the facts (ouch!) about her background, and it was a FAIR and—may I use the word?—OBJECTIVE article on Ayn Rand and her ideas.

You wouldn't be happy with anything less than a glowing article written by one of her most dedicated disciples.

Well, those are pretty hard come by these days. While she was alive, she managed, one by one and in groups, to alienate the various members of her "inner circle." One main bone of contention was that she always counseled them that they should think for themselves. But whenever they did and it didn't necessarily agree with what she thought, she wouldn't discuss it. She would start screaming insults at them (not unlike some of the folks here on this thread). If they held the line, she "repudiated" them and put an article in the Objectivist Magazine to that effect.

Proof? Right on my bookshelf, along with the other books by and about Ayn Rand, I have a complete run of first the Objectivist Newsletter, then the Objectivist Magazine. Complete list of the people she "repudiated."

Why, for example, did she "repudiate" and excommunicate Nathaniel Brandon? He was married, but she insisted that Barbara Brandon step aside so she (Rand) could have an affair with her husband Nathanial. He wimped out and agreed to the arrangement (it ended his marriage; Barbara was not exactly a shrinking violet), then after some years, Nathanial met and fell in love with a young woman.   Rand found out about it. Hissing like a cat, she wrote a really vicious article in the Objectivist about what a turncoat and hypocrite Brandon was, accusing him of every kind of betrayal possible (but not itemizing or explaining what those "betrayals" were). Branden subsequently sent a letter to all the subscribers of the magazine, explaining that he "could no longer participate in an affair with a woman whom, although I admire her mind, I do not love her, and who is twenty-five years my senior."

One thing I insist on is that anyone who tries to tell me how I should live my life, and what I should believe, should, at the very least, follow their own precepts. Hypocrisy is not acceptable.

By the way, pdq, if so few Tea Party members have ever heard of Ayn Rand, why is it that they quote her all the time? Eh?

You really ARE a faithful little disciple, aren't you? I've run into this kind of vitriol before. I recognize its source.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 08:53 PM

And 900, to boot...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 08:52 PM

Well, first of all, thanks GfinS fir the music... Unfortunately, my computer ain't in the mood to play anything... And I don't have enough hours in the day to mess with it... I mean, as if my messin' with it would make it work???

Secondly, GfinS, while you may think that you are so "classless and free" you are aligning yourself with the radical and emotional right of the Republican Party with the Tea Party... That is what it is.. No real arguments there among people who understand political movements... It is the Republican equivalent of the Dixiecrats back in the late 40s... Same folks... Same, "Both parties suck"... Same, same, same... Now you buddy, Sawz, doesn't believe the Dixiecrats ever existed because his computer is so stacked with right winged garbage that when he tries to do a search all he gets is right winged garbage... Maybe you didn't realize that that is the way computer do these days but they do...

As for Ayn Rand??? As I have eluded to John Galt in "Atlas Shrugged" is Mel Gibson in "Mad Max, After the Thunderdome"... Maybe the Republican Party would like to see Americans knee deep in pig poo (and they probably would love it) most Americans don't want to be knee deep in pig poo...

That's why the Tea Party and it's Mother Ship have completely blow any chances of winning any more big elections... The American people are on to their vision... And that vision has nothing to do with:

1. Freedom
2. Getting one's country back
3. Getting government out of our lives...

Nope, it isn't about that... It is 100% about what the Koch Brothers (major polluters) and Dick Armey's Freedom Works (health insurance companies) want which is letting the corporations run roughshod over the working class and keeping the redistribution of wealth going upward...

That's the real story here... The rest is mindless BS that the Koch Bros and Armey stick in ya'll's thoughtless little heads...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: frogprince
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 06:58 PM

"I really doubt that more than 1% of Tea Party followers have ever heard of Ms. Rand."
That may be just about precisely true, and if it is:

1.It indicates that 99% of the Tea Party constituency are markedly less politically and philosophically literate than the average adult American.
2. It indicates that that same constituency have no grasp of where the political ideaologies they are stumping for come from.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: John P
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 06:56 PM

From pdq: As long as the absolutely asinine title of this thread, and its basic assumptions, are allowed to stand, "anything goes" as far as posting since nobody can match such stupidity.

You seem to have missed a big part of the thread, the part where many of us were talking about a combination of racial slurs and guns starting to sound like the 60s in the deep south. If I hear a group calling black folks foul names and showing up at town hall meetings with guns, I start thinking about terrorism. Don't you? What else should I call it?

Sorry, but calling something stupid doesn't make it so, especially if you don't support your statements or make responses to people who post rebuttals of your positions.

So . . . do you want to have a real conversation or should we just write you off as a waste of time?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 06:43 PM

Propaganda Minister Firth gives a link to a character assassination hit piece aimed at Ayn Rand. It was produced by a slick-paged NY magazine known to put forth only Left-wing opinion. Even the picture in most un-flattering.

I doubt that the Hemingway or Fitzgerald could be considered perfect people either, so by The Firth Standard, both of them trashed also.

The Tea Party is composed almost completely blue collar working people. White and Christian, for the most part, but many of them see the current administration as hostile to them while taking more and more of their wealth and freedom. They are the heart and soul of this country and they feel they now have very little say about the policies of our Federal government.

I really doubt that more than 1% of Tea Party followers have ever heard of Ms. Rand.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 06:40 PM

Oh, and no disagreement with your other stuff..to a point, that is.
I agree with you on Ayn Rand...in fact, reading Rand should never be confused with adopting her rap. Dr. Seuss should be taken more seriously!

Now to your point about, "But it is much more common for people to know so little about politics, or the history of the country (you, know:   we tried that before and it either did or did not work), that all they can do is make their political choices (who and what to vote for) on a strictly emotional level, engendered by the lazy habit of listening to television rabble-rousers."

What if their 'philosophical' views are limited by their political parameters, of reality? Don't you think that once you have to step outside that politically created reality, isn't it time to take notice?...once you find out that the politically correct reality, doesn't even come close to the vastness of the human 'experience'? in fact, quite limiting?..you know, "and come running for the shelter, of your mother's 'little helper'"(the 'nanny' state?)....especially a 'Nanny State' that IGNORES its Constitutional duties, then goes on to fuck with everything under the sun, EXCEPT what they are supposed to be doing? Do you believe that we, as citizens are as much protected, and looked out for, as say, the interests of the mega-corps, whose only concern, in regards to us, is how much they can squeeze us for everything to facilitate them???....and then go on a lying campaign to sell us that it is our 'Rights' to have us 'forced' to be their subjects??...for THEIR ENHANCED PROFITS??...Uh-uh!!
..and yes, I do know my history, and political history, as well....maybe not all the ones you cherry pick, and hold close to your bosom....but then, that's your trip....and it's OK..just as long as political 'wills' don't intrude on the individual's rights....which, basically,is what politics is about..and attempting to make it look 'palatable'.
Sorry..not interested in joining the 'enthusiastic lemming society'! Nor am I interested in subscribing to false premises, just to accommodate a political notion...AND....I can do that, without being a threat to the lemmings, can't I??..or not?? Does someone who doesn't buy their lies, really become a threat to them??...Maybe, yes...regardless of NO attempt to do so!
If we don't agree, find the truth. If the truth opens one's eyes, let's not be so accustomed to being blind, that the light hurts our eyes, for a moment, so we'd rather stay blind!!?!

Ooops. gotta be somewhere...see ya'..
Waves..

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 06:04 PM

I agree with you about Evancho, and Foster...something about him is sooo 'wrong'. He seems to 'glomm' onto new talent, and screws them up, while trying to get the credit due the artist...as if he created their careers, and it was all due to him..not the God-given talents they already had!!....(sounds like 'far left' type of guy..huh?) You know, like the government is the one that gives us life, and equality, and tells US what we are 'entitled' to, or not!..who can have it..who can't...as long as they tax your existence, you can do about anything they'll allow you to do.....but don't forget to stay so busy, dealing with THEIR reality, that you won't spend time in your own, developing higher responsibility, for those things, that in reality, has more power and influence than they do..(Shhhhh, don't tell anyone!..)

Jeez! I wasn't going to go there...but, nonetheless its still a good analogy!

Now, what was I supposed to answer?....

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 05:21 PM

11 years old, actually, at the time of the taping of this concert (presented on PBS's "Great Performances" a week or so ago). I worry a bit about Jackie Evancho. She has an extraordinary singing voice, and as I understand it, she went to a production of "Phantom of the Opera" at the age of eight, got really turned on to singing, and came out with this BIG, mature sounding voice. And she loves to sing.

But many a talented young singer has been launched into a professional concert career MUCH too soon, when they should be nurturing and gently training their voice and not trying to push it into areas beyond it's capabilities before it's mature enough to handle it.

Operatic arias, such as O mio babbino caro from Puccini's comic opera "Gianni Schicchi" (with which she shot into prominence) is a fairly easy aria and well within her capabilities, but something like Nessun Dorma from Puccini's "Turandot" is totally inappropriate for her voice on a couple of counts. First, it was written for a tenor (the part of Calàf in the opera), and second, it is not a very easy aria to sing, even for a full-voiced tenor (signature piece for Luciano Pavarotti). I did notice, however, that she sang a much abbreviated version of it.

I am especially dubious about David Foster, the record producer and promoter who seems to be "masterminding" her singing career—and choosing her repertoire (such as Nessun Dorma, not because it suits Jackie's voice, but because it's one lots of people, including non-opera fans, are familiar with).

I dunno. . . .   She's got a great career ahead of her if she doesn't blow her voice out early. That's happened to too many talented young singers.

But—

Back to our regular broadcast.

"I found them [Democrats], basing too many political blather based on shit scientifically just plain FALSE"

Uh—do you ever proof-read what you write, GfS?

GfS, it is possible to have a cohesive and integrated political philosophy without belonging to a political party. But it is much more common for people to know so little about politics, or the history of the country (you, know:   we tried that before and it either did or did not work), that all they can do is make their political choices (who and what to vote for) on a strictly emotional level, engendered by the lazy habit of listening to television rabble-rousers.

Another common mistake is to think that when one has voted, one's political duties are over. A famous President, when presented with a docket of actions that a number of people felt he should make to put the country on a more stable course, said, "I agree with you. Now, MAKE me do it!"

If you don't like what Obama is doing, or feel that he is not living up to his campaign promises, don't just sit there and bitch! Write! Telephone! Sign petitions! Talk to people! Simply pissing and moaning on this web site may make you feel like the Westbrook Pegler of Mudcat, but it doesn't do a damned bit of good. LEAN on him. Let him know what you want him to do! MAKE him do it!

(Gutless wonders!!)

As to Ayn Rand and her adoption by the Tea Party:

pdq uses a typical "framing" tactic in an attempt to draw question to anything I say by dubbing me "Propaganda Minister."   Then he proceeds to make false statements about what I believe.

A transparent debating tactic, pdq, and a cheap shot. That sort of thing merely indicates that you are aware of the weakness of your own position.

pdq's screed was in answer to a post I made on another thread to which I linked. If anyone is getting in on this late, here it is again:   CLICKY.

From pdq a few posts above:   "One thing that gives Ayn Rand depth is that she lived in Russia during the Bolshevik Revolution and her father's family business was seized (along with the building, which the family also owned) and their property was given to Red's loyal friends. Rand's family was left impoverished and fled to another city in fear for their lives. She new exctly what can happen when a government has unlimited power."

Rather than giving Ayn Rand (Alissa Rosenbaum) depth and understanding, this traumatic uprooting during her childhood marked her indelibly for the rest of her life, leaving her personality with an underlying theme of anger and resentment. She had a very dominating personality, ruled the people in her inner circle with an iron hand, brooked absolutely no question. Discussion with her was impossible. You sat at her feet and she made pronouncements. And she was totally devoid of humor. This I get from people who knew her personally.

The following is a very good article, a book review of a recently publish biography of Ayn Rand. It's a little over 2,000 words, but well worth a read.

Ayn Rand.

Good insights into the nature of the Patron Saint of the Tea Party.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 02:55 PM

Now HERE"S an example of an 10 year old girl, paying attention to the finest details, and what she is doing...WITHOUT political crap on her mind!!!

Well, you always DID like my music links.....

Just 'Exchanging'!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 01:29 PM

OOOPS, forgot to sign the end of the other one.........


Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 01:23 PM

Oh Dearest Bobert,
What is this?? You've answered, or even commented on mine??? Now, come on, this is beginning to get obvious to everyone, that this is a pattern of yours. Hey, YOU started the thread, and when people get on, and post to your topic, don't you think it would be decent of you to respond to them, other than jumping around, like a epileptic step dancer, to avoid responding to 'Something', that you've been indoctrinated to wag your tail at, although, it has been revealed, to be just another, policy, through each respected party, working for the mega-bankers(et al),..to whom you claim to oppose??......and now you're sounding like the 'guilty party, of having your spouse walk in on you, suspecting another lover, and you're the guilty one, trying to keep her from looking in the closet!!'

Come on, now, we love ya', talk to us and be honest, and open. The EXCHANGE of ideas, that are true, is a currency of its own. Talk 'bout WEALTHY!!......(tax free, too!).

You can talk to Sawzaw, too..and Sawzaw exchange that what is true, and if stuff 'don't line up', then find out 'WHY?'...instead of playing this game of 'point the fingers' then 'hide and seek'. The object of your thread was to come to a truth about 'Something'...wasn't it???? ...'Something' That might just require a little 'give AND take'.....and maybe even a little INFORMATION, that you didn't know before, and vice-verse!

Now if you want me to connect certain dots for ya', that keeps you unable to process that info, and vice-versa, and you find that same inability, creeps into your music,(which it does), I can 'oblige' you...ain't that what friends are for, anyway??

As far as the TEA Party, they are either a 'legitimate' grass roots deal, or a 'concocted' grass roots deal, or even a 'co-opted' grass roots deal, the FACT is, it's APPEAL was to all those who are dissatisfied by the way politics has fucked up the lives of a lot of people, and they are terrified at what they see. They are made up of a whole lot of people, formerly FROM BOTH SIDES.....( maybe you should have titled the thread, "The Tea Party a TERRIFIED Organization??
They are a RE-ACTION, to OBVIOUS abuses of power and trust of the American people defecting from Both parties...and especially to the Democrats, of this administration, and voted that way, in which the DEMS LOST Congress...by a landslide!!..Now that is pretty factual....I AM NOT A TEA PARTIER!!.....(But I understand their people's frustration)

I AM NOT A DEMOCRAT...I found them, basing too many political blather based on shit scientifically just plain FALSE!(They are too easily emotionally controlled, among other things, too).

I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN either. I believe that they too, are working to, and for, the same guys who the Democrats are working for...and it ISN'T us!!

I think they play off each other, to give the ILLUSION that there is a problem to solve(that they created in the first place), from the other side, of course, and with each bullshit 'problem' comes a bullshit 'solution', which normally the American people on EITHER SIDE would have NEVER gone for originally!!....LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE!!..as a result of this bullshit....and you're going to tell me that your side of the bullshit that you support, is better, or 'less corrupt' than your counterparts??? THIS, is what you want people to swallow???

Being NOT a political animal, I DON'T HAVE A POLITICAL AGENDA!!..although, I certainly would promote people to demand honesty, from our elected officials...(which seems to be in it's own economic crisis as well)!..but first find honesty in themselves....and let THAT guide their reality!...regardless of what is politically popular! That shit changes faster than a chameleon flying over a double rainbow!...and the 'news' media explains it all away, and keeps us calm enough to 'just' have these 'controlled differences'!!

I AM COMPLETELY UNAFFILIATED WITH ANY PARTY!!!..(You'd think Don would appreciate that). Too me, the 'political imperialism' which is gripping the country, seems to have too many dulling effects on the senses, that are more important, and require more discipline to maintain..but the 'payoff' is priceless! ...and if you are REALLY serious about what you express, through your ax, the rising above 'concocted political problems', and 'other' impediments to people moving into their rightful fulness, should be a Delight, and Joy!

Don't let your 'friends', nor 'political beliefs' be an anchor to
your mediocrity!

Now, did that hurt??
Care to comment....after the other over-due comments..or before??

Warmest Regards,

Guest from Sanity

There!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 01:19 PM

They are clueless about what "freedom" means, Strings... They think it means that ***they*** have the freedom to ram their radical and short-sighted agenda down everyone else's throats???

Like I said... "clueless"...

But it doesn't stop with freedom... They also want ***their*** country back??? Back to what??? Back to 1952??? 1859??? 1789??? I mean, thes are completely empty words which may make these racists feel better but but they are meaningless...

Clueless again...

They want government out of their lives??? This a good one... Half the stuff they want puts more government into our lives... The other half they just cherry pick for their own personal biases and prejudices...

More cluelessness...

It's astounding just how empty the Tea Party really...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Stringsinger
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 12:36 PM

The question to be presented to the Tea Party is this: How much freedom do you really want? And what is the nature of that freedom?

Without government regulation of business (which it still does) and protection against health abuses by corporations, the lack of funds for building of roads and infrastructure (no Tea Party people are going to fund that), the chiseling of credit card companies, diminishing the role of bailout banks (robber banks instead of bank robbers), the curbing of the enormous profiteers from war, what kind of freedom are they talking about?

There is and has never been totally personal freedom and only would-be anarchists would advocate for that. The inherent logic of the Tea Party would lead to abolishing prison systems, an encroachment of personal "freedoms", resolving in no one paying taxes, which would excise revenue to do anything for the good of the country but leave only a token for the individual who would not be able to function without a government, and have to build his/her own roads, forget mailing letters through the post office, protect themselves by arming against everyone, eating unregulated food, constantly acquiring money for personal needs at the expense of the enjoyment of leisure, no five day work week, no vacation times, no protective unions, and a general sinking into a John Wayne Ayn Rand Distopia, and you call that "freedom"? I call it madness and selfishness.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 08:25 AM

No, GfinS...

I have answered every reasonable question put forward...

Ya'll just don't like the answers...

B~

BTW, I don't read Sawz posts anymore... He suffers from a serious case of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder which goes back years as one name after another here in the Mudpit but the one thing that he carries forwards every time he reinvents himself is the same mindless ballgame of obsessing on me... He needs a shrink... You ain't far behind... But I do still read yer stuff... But his??? Nope and other than you I don't think anyone else in Mudburg reads anything he has to cut 'n post...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 01:32 AM

Oh Bobert??..You're still not having the decency to answer any of the questions put to you, after your rants!!..just more off the topic ranting, as usual! Too bad if you got your knickers in a twist, but that might not happen if you'd just carry on a decent exchange, instead of 'going off', so to speak! Try it..It won't hurt! Just try backing up at least something you just make up...or your Democrat 'thinkers'(?)!
Hey I got something for you, as long as you're not prejudiced, and are all 'souled out' for the 'clean as a whistle' party of whiners:

JESSE JACKSON'S NEWEST STAFF MEMBER

You can't make up stuff better than this!
Isn't politics grand?
HURRAH FOR THE DEMOCRATS!
Jesse Jackson's Newest Staff Member

Mel Reynolds
Jesse Jackson has added former Chicago Democrat
Congressman Mel to Rainbow/PUSH Coalition's payroll.
Reynolds was among the 176 criminals excused
in President Clinton's last-minute forgiveness spree.
Reynolds received a commutation of his six-and-a-half-year
federal sentence for 15 convictions of wire fraud, bank fraud,
and lies to the Federal Election Commission.
He is more notorious, however, for concurrently serving
five years for sleeping with an underage campaign volunteer.
This is a first in American politics:
An ex-congressman who had sex with a subordinate
... won clemency from a president who had sex with a subordinate
... then was hired by a clergyman who had sex with a subordinate!
His new job? Ready for this?
YOUTH COUNSELOR
IS THIS A GREAT COUNTRY OR WHAT?
CONFIRMED BY:

Democrat holiness!!

I just had an epiphany. We tax politicians every time they have sex with a subordinate or otherwise commit adultery.
We could pay down that stinkin' deficit in 10 years.

Now, what was it you were going to answer Sawzw, or me, in response to our posts????

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 01:30 AM

So! pdq is a big fan of Ayn Rand. That explains a lot!

Past my bedtime, folks. I'll be back.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 11:50 PM

...ahhhh, but GfinS will say it's "on both sides" (as a Tea Partier, mind you) never being willing to admit that the Tea Party is the far right of the Republican Party...

Just the facts...

In other words the friggin' E-X-T-R-E-M-E right,,,

Ya' got some good company there with "Stalker" Sawzer...

BTW, has he offered to send you one of his "SawzBeanies", you know, ahhhh, the Sawz designed tin-foil hat??? ("Buy one now and we'll send you a second one for a penny...")

Tell him to send you the 2nd one for the penny....

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 10:45 PM

Ayn Rand, for the record, was a complete nut ball... John Galt is a friggin' Mad Max "After the Thunderdome"... Problem is there ain't no "Thunderdome" unless ya'll let Ayn and her psycho pals out of the "thunderdome" long enough to establish the chaos that the right wing salivates for...

Problem is that "the thunderdome" ain't what most reasonable people want for their kids...

Rand and the Repubs??? Different story... It's all a lie on their part... They have manipulated the powers-at-be too far already... A true Rand scenario can't work in such a corrupted system...

90% corrupted now by Repubs!!! 10% the Dems...

Get 'um all but get the biggest share out first...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 08:22 PM

Yeah, Don, that was about as delusional as GfinS has ever been... I mean, Olympic Team horse manure...

Absolutely delusional...

I mean, she and her new buddy, Sawz, are two peas in a pod...

I mean, really no responding to either where you aren't going to get pure USDA Choice horse manure back...

Neither want to admit the reality that out of the 3000 or so faces on the front page of the Washington Post after the Tea Party rally that their were *****NO***** black people in the crowd... Hey, black folks have been thru stuff that neither GfinS or her buddy, Sawz, have an inkling about and black people understand this stuff... No black faces out of 3000 supposedly cross-section of America???

Give my boney ol' hillbilly butt a break... I might have been born at night but it wasn't last night...

And here's the kicker... Niether GfinS or Sawz ever want to talk about real policies... They want to play fuckin' games, talk endlessly about stuff they have no knowledge of and try to make me some bad man for calling them on their ballgames...

Tough... You gonna post stupid stuff then y6er gonna have to listen to the sermon... Can I get an "Amen"...

BTW, GfinS... My mom is 1000 times more knowledgeable about world and events economics than you and Sawz put together... You don't think so??? Have yer buddy LH act as an intermediary and I'll get you her phone number and you can call her up... Yeah, tell her just how wonderful your new racist Tea Party friend are for starters... And be prepared to get a lesson what the civil rights movement wasd about...

Right now, I doubt if you get it in the slightest...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 08:16 PM

Propaganda Minister Firth would have us believe that Ayn Rand must be absolutely perfect in every way before we can take any of her ideas seriously. Too bad he doesn't hold his of heros us to the same standards.

The far Left is already using Ayn Rand to drive a wedge between Christians and Paul Ryan. She was a vocal Athiest, but certainly did not work against Christians. Looks like his enemies cannot take Paul Ryan on with issues so the find some other way to cause damage.

One thing that gives Ayn Rand depth is that she lived in Russia during the Bolshevik Revolution and her father's family business was seized (along with the building, which the family also owned) and their property was given to Red's loyal friends. Rand's family was left impoverished and fled to another city in fear for their lives. She new exctly what can happen when a government has unlimited power.

Rand wanted a fair and free country and a chance to succede. She found both in the good ol' U. S. of A.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 07:19 PM

Paul Ryan thinks we should all do the same....Is there a point, hidden somewhere in all this??

Don, I wasn't criticizing you, other than 'teaming up' with Bobert, in support of his ducking and weaving, questions and topics that he dodges!! You would think that he should have the courtesy and politeness to at least answer some of the replies, and questions put to him, form someone else who is polite enough to ask, don't you think? I mean, he is from the south..where is his southern 'hospitality'??

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 07:11 PM

What the hell are you talking about, GfS?

I could eat a large can of alphabet soup and shit a more coherent post than that!

Don Firth

P. S.   By the way, as to whether the Tea Party is a terrorist organization or not, read my post on the 2012 Presidential Election thread in response to someone's suggestion that we should all read more Ayn Rand.    Read and learn.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 06:09 PM

I wasn't going to respond to the last posts, because the thread was getting stupider and stupider....and I may not, being as I'm wasting my time and talents, as others, to take the time to give certain things thought, and post.....to such block-headed numbskulls!!!!
I'm NOT a political animal, even though I can spot political bullshit, when it crosses my path!

Does the FACT that, when asked to reply or respond, to certain posts, that contain truths, that those who claim to be 'left wing liberals', come back with the stupidest shit on earth??? What is this?? A 'right wing conspiracy'??..or are those who claim to be 'liberal' that fucking stupid???..Either way, you're getting to be a very boring parody, of American politics!!..No wonder your music sucks! You are boring!
Sawzaw posts some legitimate comments, complete with facts and sources, and 'Bobert' comes back with some mindless shit about some old lady in a walker, who got spooked at large crowds, who may or may not have been chanting 'KKK'..or 'LBJ all the way'..who knows, maybe she forgot to turn on her hearing aid as well!!!...Oh??..It was your mother???..Oh, well she don't hear or comprehend to well either..and of course, the apple don't fall too far from the tree!..By the Way, if she is such a Dedicated Democratic Dimwit, (heretofore referred to as the 'DDD'S, being as your obvious lower education didn't see any reason to move any further along up the alphabet), Why was she there in the first place?? Curiosity? Fault finding expedition by walker? Complete happiness with the Dumbocratic party??, looking for a hot politically-minded date? Just WHY did she go??..Not that it even matters. Do you think the KKK chanting shit, might have something to do with the 'rally' being held in the south??..as both Sawzaw, and myself pointed out, Sawzaw being far more detailed about the ingrained, inbred, intolerant, insane bigotry there???

For what its worth, during my little hiatus from Mudcat, I used that opportunity, to, in my spare time, go visit with some people who are Tea Supporter or sympathizers, of the same. While picking their brains, looking to find some sort of racial bias, I found none...SOOO, I tried casually muttering a few racial and ethnic slurs, looking for a re-action. Remember now, I'm NOT in the south. What I got was sharp rebukes, and this verbatim question, "Are you one of those Democratic agitators?.. because if so, you can leave now!".........Just for your info, there, ol' boy!
I did explain to them, that I was just 'testing the waters', and do not have those feelings, myself.
Therefore, YOU might address Sawzaw's comments with something that entails some THOUGHT, instead of one of your typical avoidance-based subject changers. It may slightly dawn on you, that IF you can't come up with a suitable answer, that at least has SOME truth in it, then you might consider what a FRIEND(Sawzaw) is trying to turn you on to..OK?

Then, there is this little ditty. The Titanic is taking on water..real bad....people are scrambling to find lifeboats or life jackets, and the crew is swamped. The Captain (Smith), is frantically, trying to address the problems ad mists the chaos...Too many people, too little lifeboats, failure that is going to lose lives, ultra high intensity shouting, and panic, finger pointing and blaming....and John P comes up, in a frantic, nervous 'beside himself manner' and his main concern, that he stops everything, and blurts, "What I really want to know is, "If Auckie Dildoc, and Lesbia O'Toole would be accepted by the church's children's youth choir, if their pink cufflinks clash with the doilies, at tomorrow's church lunch, in the ship's chapel?"
The discussion WAS about the sinking economy, the dissolving U.S., corruption and because of it, our government being rendered ineffectual to the will, or needs of the people....and is there enough lifeboats!
I almost didn't post that, because John, was, at least, aware enough to agree that we share the same identification of the problems facing our peoples versus the huge international banker fraud being foisted on us all......but, nonetheless, it is what it is...So, in fairness to John: John, there are forms of 'governments' out there in the real world who see homosexuality as a reason for the death penalty..we DON'T want to lose ours!!! ....Do you??

As to Don Firth, Don, I wouldn't risk what little credibility you have left, trying to support, obviously fucked up positions, as the ones I mentioned above. Getting together with Bobert, working up strategies, to getting Bobert to answer questions, all for the sake of the 'Potty Line', I would think is below even you....but then again, it's not up to me which nail you choose to put in your coffin.

Fair Enough??
Love to All......even if I don't post again to this rapidly disintegrating thread! By the way, It WAS started, on a stupid premise, and is certainly dying that way....thanks to its originator!..who just wanted a place to spread his ignorant hate and biases. Thank goodness it got revealed for what it IS and WAS!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 12:53 PM

Hey, I read it on the Internet- it MUST be true.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 11:35 AM

"We have all planned to assult you by arriving at your house and putting a nice little bullet in your head"

email sent March 9th:

From: Left Wing Maniac Government Hater
Sent: Wed 3/9/2011 9:18 PM
To: Sen.Kapanke; Sen.Darling; Sen.Cowles; Sen.Ellis; Sen.Fitzgerald; Sen.Galloway; Sen.Grothman; Sen.Harsdorf; Sen.Hopper; Sen.Kedzie; Sen.Lasee; Sen.Lazich; Sen.Leibham; Sen.Moulton; Sen.Olsen
Subject: Atten: Death threat!!!! Bomb!!!!

Please put your things in order because you will be killed and your familes will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks. Please explain to them that this is because if we get rid of you and your families then it will save the rights of 300,000 people and also be able to close the deficit that you have created. I hope you have a good time in hell. Read below for more information on possible scenarios in which you will die.

WE want to make this perfectly clear. Because of your actions today and in the past couple of weeks I and the group of people that are working with me have decided that we've had enough. We feel that you and the people that support the dictator have to die. We have tried many other ways of dealing with your corruption but you have taken things too far and we will not stand for it any longer. So, this is how it's going to happen: I as well as many others know where you and your family live, it's a matter of public records. We have all planned to assult you by arriving at your house and putting a nice little bullet in your head. However, we decided that we wouldn't leave it there. We also have decided that this may not be enough to send the message to you since you are so high on Koch and have decided that you are now going to single handedly make this a dictatorship instead of a demorcratic process. So we have also built several bombs that we have placed in various locations around the areas in which we know that you frequent. This includes, your house, your car, the state capitol, and well I won't tell you all of them because that's just no fun. Since we know that you are not smart enough to figure out why this is happening to you we have decided to make it perfectly clear to you. If you and your goonies feel that it's necessary to strip the rights of 300,000 people and ruin their lives, making them unable to feed, clothe, and provide the necessities to their families and themselves then We Will get rid of (in which I mean kill) you. We feel that it's worth our lives to do this, because we would be saving the lives of 300,000 people. Please make your peace with God as soon as possible and say goodbye to your loved ones we will not wait any longer. YOU WILL DIE!!!!
Wisconsin Teacher Charged With Death Threats Against Lawmakers

Wisconsin teacher Katherine Windels has been charged with sending death misspelled threats to 16 GOP lawmakers because she was angry that they were imposing financial responsibility that crimped her lifestyle.

    Windels also wrote to Cowles that there were several bombs placed in various locations, including his house, his car, and the state capitol, according to the complaint.

    I don't want to tell you all of them because that's just no fun,
the e-mail said.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 11:23 AM

Looks like no one here knows anything about the "shitload" of Dixiecrats that switched to the Republican party.

Hint: The term refers to the 1948 States' Rights Democratic Party.

A blowhard is a person who does not back up their assertions except with ad hominem [logical fallacy] attacks. To avoid responding, they start a new blowhard attack.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 08:52 AM

Question: How many of these racists switched to the Republican party?

No, the questions are:

1. 1956? Gimmie a bleepin' break.

2. How many of these racists abjured their former views and when?

2. Why aren't the home-grown Republican racists (and authors and implementers of "The Southern Strategy" of a much more recent date equally if not more important?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 01:40 AM

Whenever someone starts a post by calling someone else a "blowhard" or with some other personal insult, I make it a point NOT to read the rest of the post. That tells me all I need to know about the character and intellect of the poster.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 01:08 AM

Blowhard Bobert ducks another straight up question while claiming others need to answer his. I presume he will duck this question also
The Southern Manifesto was a document written in 1956 by pro-segregation legislators angry that the Supreme Court had passed the Brown v. Board of Education decision, which mandated the integration of public schools. It was signed by 19 Senators and 81 members of the House of Representatives, including the entire congressional delegations of the states of Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi and South Carolina. Most of the signatories were Southern Democrats. The signers of the Southern Manifesto were afraid that the racial hierarchy -- with whites on the top and blacks and other persons of color below them -- would be irrevocably harmed by Brown and other Supreme Court decisions. They were pro-segregation because they were white supremacists, and white supremacy was normative in the 1950s.

Signers:

    John Sparkman (D)                  Lister Hill (D)                  William Fulbright (D)                John L. McClellan (D)
    George A. Smathers (D)          Spessard Holland (D)    Walter F. George (D)                Richard B. Russell (D)
    Allen J. Ellender (D)                  Russell B. Long (D)       James O. Eastland (D)             John Stennis (D)
    Samuel Ervin (D)                      W. Kerr Scott (D)          Strom Thurmond (D)                Olin D. Johnston (D)
    Price Daniel (D)                      Harry F. Byrd (D)          A. Willis Robertson (D)             George W. Andrews (D)
    Frank W. Boykin (D)                Carl Elliott (D)                George M. Grant (D)                George Huddleston, Jr. (D)
    Robert E. Jones, Jr. (D)          Albert Rains (D)             Kenneth A. Roberts (D)            Armistead Selden (D)
    Ezekiel C. Gathings (D)            Oren Harris (D)             Brooks Hays (D)                      Wilbur D. Mills (D)
    William F. Norrell (D)               James W. Trimble (D)    Charles Edward Bennett (D)      James A. Haley (D)
    Albert Herlong, Jr. (D)             D.R. Matthews (D)         Paul G. Rogers (D)                  Robert L. F. Sikes (D)
    Iris F. Blitch (D)                      Paul Brown (D)               James C. Davis (D)                John James Flynt, Jr. (D)
    Tic Forrester (D)                   Phil M. Landrum (D)         Henderson Lanham (D)          J. L. Pilcher (D)
    Prince H. Preston (D)             Carl Vinson (D)                Hale Boggs (D)                      Overton Brooks (D)
    F. Edward Hebert (D)             George S. Long (D)          James H. Morrison (D)          Otto E. Passman (D)
    T. Ashton Thompson (D)       Edwin E. Willis (D)            Thomas G. Abernethy (D)       William M. Colmer (D)
    Frank E. Smith (D)                Jamie L. Whitten (D)         John Bell Williams (D)          Arthur Winstead (D)
    Hugh Q. Alexander (D)          Graham A. Barden (D)       Herbert C. Bonner (D)          Frank Carlyle (D)
    Carl Durham (D)                  Lawrence Fountain (D)       Woodrow W. Jones (D)       George A. Shuford (D)
    Robert T. Ashmore (D)         W.J. Bryan Dorn (D)          John L. McMillan (D)            James P. Richards (D)
    John J. Riley (D)                L. Mendel Rivers (D)            Jere Cooper (D)                Clifford Davis (D)
    James B. Frazier, Jr. (D)    Tom J. Murray (D)             Wright Patman (D)             John Dowdy (D)
    Walter Rogers (D)               O. C. Fisher (D)                  Martin Dies, Jr. (D)             Joel T. Broyhill (R)
    Richard Harding Poff (R)

Question: How many of these racists switched to the Republican party?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: John P
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 01:07 PM

GfS, Thank you for the clear statement of where you stand on many of the Tea Party issues that have been batted around in this thread. I find myself in agreement with most of what you said. What strikes me, though, is that while you share most of the goals of the Tea Party, you don't seem to be in agreement with their methodology.

With the exception of a few Republican ideologues on Mudcat, I think most of us agree that our government is in the hands of people we never elected and who manipulate our public policy for their personal gain. Far too many of our politicians are basically paid employees of large and corrupt corporations. I think we mostly agree that this is ruining our country and that we would like it to end. The way the Tea Party wants to go about it, however, is simplistic, unrealistic, uncompromising, combative, and actually plays into the hands of the corporations. And then their message is all mixed up with a coercive religious social agenda, which is where you and I part company on their goals.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 07:13 PM

No, she can't, John...

Here in North Carolina just about every white kid attends a private Christian school so we are getting another batch of brain-washed fundamentalists to contend with down the road...

The problem I have is that, being a Follower of Christ, these folks conveniently skip over the parts of Christianity that doesn't serve their dogmatism... In other words, they are part Christian, part something else (Taliban comes to mind)...

B~


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