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Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs

open mike 23 Feb 10 - 02:38 PM
Bert 23 Feb 10 - 02:40 PM
jacqui.c 23 Feb 10 - 03:00 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 23 Feb 10 - 03:16 PM
Artful Codger 23 Feb 10 - 03:22 PM
Bill D 23 Feb 10 - 03:41 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 23 Feb 10 - 03:48 PM
Nigel Parsons 23 Feb 10 - 04:05 PM
Bill D 23 Feb 10 - 04:11 PM
Bill D 23 Feb 10 - 04:12 PM
M.Ted 23 Feb 10 - 04:21 PM
Jack Campin 23 Feb 10 - 04:33 PM
JohnInKansas 23 Feb 10 - 05:56 PM
Joe Offer 24 Feb 10 - 05:12 AM
GUEST,Dani 07 Mar 10 - 08:48 PM
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GUEST,Dani 08 Mar 10 - 06:34 AM
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Subject: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: open mike
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 02:38 PM

I just came to the library to get lyrics to a song, and i wanted multiple copies to share with folks who will be singing it with me. the ads to the right of the text expanded the one page song to two pages..at 10 cents a page library rate, this was more than what i expected. oh well.


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Subject: RE: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: Bert
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 02:40 PM

That'll learn ya to go to Mudcat and Digital Tradition next time and not the library.


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Subject: RE: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: jacqui.c
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 03:00 PM

If you use copy and paste onto Word that will get rid of the ads. That's what I do.


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Subject: RE: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 03:16 PM

Open Mike's complaint cannot be solved by copy and paste when scanning printed material or film records. One scans the image; the ads as well as the article/song; that can't be helped.

The online edition of NY Times has ads, but they offer a 'printable' copy of some articles, lacking the ads. After a time, however, the online material is removed and one must go to the original or film copy, ads and all.

I'm afraid one can do little except mouth (shhh, library!) a few expletives and empty the old pocketbook.


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Subject: RE: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: Artful Codger
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 03:22 PM

Is it possible to email yourself the images? Then you might not have to print out anything. Try right-clicking (which with luck will bring up a context menu).


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Subject: RE: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 03:41 PM

?? more interesting to me, is how Ama**n ads are getting past my filter. I am seeing no ads on regular pages, but in the database, there they are again...I can, of course, copy and paste lyrics here at home and print without including ads, but from a library I can see the problem.


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Subject: RE: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 03:48 PM

It's 25 cents a page at a couple of libraries here.
Comupter images of some material are available; a lot depends on the finances and staff at the library as to how much and what has been copied.
At one library, one has to 'sneak' copies of some copyright material.


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Subject: RE: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 04:05 PM

Whilst I am happy to copy/paste lyrics in Word before printing, there is an easier solution
Go to the DT's 'mirror' site ay sniff.numachi.com and print the lyrics from there.

Cheers
Nigel


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Subject: RE: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 04:11 PM

Just to clarify a bit, here is what I see (with Opera 10.10) at the bottom of this page with my Proxomitron filter turned on. If I bypass the program and reload the page, the ads are there in all their glory...and sometimes, I do that for various reasons. I also have other browsers with different settings.

The '• Ad Script: List=Ad Domains Match=googlesyndication' shows me that it has put a place saver where an ad would be....and way at the bottom (below the green triangle) are the control parameters that Proxomitron is injecting. I almost never look at those.


(a long time ago, I posted this screen capture of what just one small section of those filters look like in the program. There are hundreds of ways to tweak it to manage things, and I barely mess with the default settings)


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Subject: RE: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 04:12 PM

of course... Nigel has it! I never thought of that...


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Subject: RE: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: M.Ted
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 04:21 PM

I looked up the lyrics to "Soon one mornin', Death comes a creepin'" in the DT, and the pop up ad was for for an MP3 by Mississippi Fred McDowell, which I could preview--I thought, well, maybe the implications are a bit scary, but it was appropriate.

Then I put a couple lines from MJH's "Candy Man" in, and a whole menu of "Candy Man" clips came up and started playing, as well as a window that was the first page of 5, listing 450 songs, some of which were the Newly/Bricusse song, an some of which were rap tunes by a group called 'Candyman", some of which were marked "explicit"--

Now don't get me wrong, I like Sammy Davis, but I think that this is the first sign of the Apocalypse.


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Subject: RE: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: Jack Campin
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 04:33 PM

I usually don't see the ads (this browser silently dumps them without me needing to tell it to) but on another machine I got an advert, presumably targeted at the UK festivalgoer, for "kitch caravans".

If I go to a festival and see a Barbara-Cartland-themed pink caravan with gold trim and a painting of the Queen Mum on the door I'll know where they got it.


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Subject: RE: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 05:56 PM

Often the "extra page" doesn't have anything you want anyway, so you can take a look at a preview (it's File|Print Preview in IE), and if the last page is just junk most printer drivers allow you to select which pages to print. Often you can omit the last page, and sometimes first and last (print pages 2-3, etc).

You might check out one of the commercial print shops like Kinkos and such, and even some "Computer" and Office Equipment stores have print shops. If one of them is significantly cheaper, you can print one copy at the library and take it elsewhere to get the multiple copies - possibly at a reduced rate. The commercial printers in my area run around 5 to 7 cents per page, cheaper if you make a lot of copies (20 or more sometimes gets into discounted rates).

If you need "pictures," which are the usual form for music scores, you often can download and save the the pictures separately by right-clicking on them and selecting "Save Image" or "Save Picture." Copy and paste the web page into Word, edit out the trash, and Insert|Picture|From File (Alt-I, P, F) to put the score "pictures" back into the Word document.

Lots of web pages will paste into Word with bunches of tables that you don't want to have to reformat, so you can click inside a table and use Alt-A, V, B (tAble|conVert, taBle to text) to remove the table format and make plain text out of what's inside.

Many pages are one big table, but when you convert it to text there will be more tables that were inside the main table. You can use Table, Select Table to see how much stuff is in one of the "inside tables" (Alt-A, C, T = tAble, sElect, Table) and if it's just an ad or other trash, with the table selected Alt-A, D, T (tAble Delete Table) will delete the whole table, including everything in it. (If you just hit Delete with the table selected it deletes everything in the table, but doesn't remove the table itself.)

Ads that paste into Word are often in Text Boxes or Frames. You can remove Frames by hovering on the edge and right-clicking, choose "Format Frame" and then "Remove Frame." What was inside the Frame will remain as plain text.

If you remove a Text Box everything inside it is removed, so you need to click inside the box, cut or copy anything you want to keep, and paste it outside the box before deleting the Text Box.

Occasionally you'll find things that resist deletion in the pasted copy in Word. A universally useful method is to add a paragraph break before, and one after the resistant object, and select (click and drag) including both added paragraph markers with the "resistant" detail sandwiched between them. Hit Delete. This always works, so far as I've seen, and is a lot easier than trying to figure out what exotic trick was used to create the trash. (It helps to have "View All" turned on so that the paragraph markers are visible.)

You can use screen captures (Alt-PrtScn captures the current/active window and Ctl-PrtScn captures the whole screen) but the resolution of the image you save is limited to screen resolution, usually 96 dpi, at the size on the screen. You really need at least 100 dpi at full page size for a clean print and 200 dpi at print size is generally recommended, so by the time you crop down to what you really want and then enlarge to the size you want it printed, you don't often get really good results.

Often you can get more "usable" enlargement, whether you re-size to bigger at the same resolution or same size at higher resolution, if you increase in steps of 10%, repeated until you get the size you want. If you "enlarge" in one step, you get blurs and jaggies, but you can go further with somewhat better results with multiple 10% steps than in a single step. You will need some kind of decent image editing program to accomplish much this way, and even doing it this way has its limits.

Surprisingly, pasting into Word and resizing there sometimes gives better looking (printed) results than resizing the image before pasting, if you're not making extreme changes.

Obviously all this manipulation takes some time and effort, but you may be able to use some of it on a library computer that doesn't charge for the time and doesn't have a time limit. (My library limits each user to an hour at a time, and has an incredibly slow connection.)

If you have access to another computer, even one without a web connection, you usually can save the web page to take it elsewhere to do the fancy stuff. (Use Page|Save As from the menu bar in IE. If you use File|Save As you don't get the option to use other formats.) If you save as .html, any embedded images will be saved in a folder named the same as the .htm file; but the "pointers" to the folder will be to the "as saved" location. Moving the file+folder to another location often breaks the links and the saved files are unusable.

If you save as "web archive single-file (.mht)" the linked files should be embedded into the single file, and it will survive being moved around. A $2 flash drive should let you take saved "pages" anywhere to work on them (if your library lets you plug one in).

The possibilities are there. It's mostly a matter of how hard you're willing/able to work on it and whether you've got the "seat time" and minimal software to do what you need.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Feb 10 - 05:12 AM

Here's something I learned from the nun who thinks I'm her computer guru:
  • Highlight the text you want to print
  • RIGHT-click on that text
  • Select Print... from the menu that appears, and...
  • Select the Selection option (under Page Range)
  • Click the Print button.

In short, you're choosing to "print selection."

This works in (Microsoft) Internet Explorer, but not in Google Chrome. In Firefox, you have to go to the "file" menu to get to Print... - you can't get it by right-clicking.

Does that help? I've found this trick comes in handy in a lot of situations and saves me a lot of hassle.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 08:48 PM

So, will someone tell me how you manage to get around the ads here?!

They are making me crazy.

A) they make my computer sputter and jerk and load the page poorly

B) they are creeping into every part of the page, now, not just the 'ad area' we started with

C) they are slowly crossing over from mostly music related, sometimes marginally content related, to pure CRAP.

I'm so fed up, if it weren't for checking in on Kendall here, I am hardly here at all. It is SO annoying, and not at all the pleasurable place to drop in I've known for the past 10+ years!

Dani (rant over)


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Subject: RE: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 09:06 PM

I have an ad blocker, but it STILL takes forever to load and/or 2-3 times to get it to load.


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Subject: RE: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 09:18 PM

Which browser, Dani? It can make a difference. Firefox is a bit easier to deal with by using AdBlock as a special add-on.(I find that 90% of the trouble comes from Am*zon...which tries to load dozens of links on many pages. It can delay even my fast connection by 15-20 seconds, making me think something is really wrong)

I DO know that, as I said above, there are ways by using a filter (a program that you run everything thru before showing you anything) you can control ads almost totally. The only problem is that you 'can' end up blocking more than you wish...like YouTube...

I cope by having more than one browser...one set to allow most everything, and one where I see no ads.

I use (and would not be without) The Proxomitron. There is also one I have never needed to try...WebWasher

I have no idea how comfortable you are with downloading and/or installing and configuring extra programs, but if I can be of any help...


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Subject: RE: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 09:20 PM

(on another thread Max said "trust me"....saying he's trying to figure things out. We're ready)


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Subject: RE: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: open mike
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 11:54 PM

i was accessing mudcat using the library 'puter...
i am not sure that it had the option of cutting and pasting
into a word processing program...but i see i am not the only
one who has problems with the on here...a necessary evil, i guess.

re: nuns...check out this interview with nanci griffith who tells a story about how the nuns used to go swimming with the students before her high school was co-ed)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7POe11foOE&feature=related


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Subject: RE: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 06:34 AM

Thanks, Bill! I am switching to a mac in the next few weeks, will have a lot to learn ; ) so I'm not doing anything to this one for now.

I DO trust Max, and of course I want him to do what makes sense for him and the site, but everyone has their limits, and I'm reaching mine!

Dani


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Subject: RE: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: Mr Happy
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 06:39 AM

Its not 'cut' & paste, try 'copy' & paste


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Subject: RE: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 07:11 AM

It's worth repeating:

Whilst I am happy to copy/paste lyrics in Word before printing, there is an easier solution
Go to the DT's 'mirror' site at sniff.numachi.com and print the lyrics from there.

Cheers
Nigel


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Subject: RE: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 02:32 AM

For those things that you really do want to copy and paste into Word, it's often useful to know how to "Paste Special."

You can select and copy (Ctl-C) on the page you want to take stuff from.

When you paste, a simple Ctl-V pastes everything, and you get the same using Edit|Paste.

But if you use Edit|Paste Special, you get a choice of whether to paste it all, paste as formated text, or paste as unformated text.

Results will vary from one website to the next, depending on how the pages are coded (and expecially how the ads are inserted) but pasting as formatted text often will drop out the ads. Pasting as unformatted text (plain old abc stuff) almost always give a pretty clean (ad-free) result, but may lose something else you want.

In older Word versions, it's easy to find by clicking on the "Edit"button, and then clicking "Paste Special" on the dropdown. In Word 2007, I haven't penetrated far enough past the 789 top choices, on each of which you have to scroll down through 294 useless "cutesies" to get to half of a real menu, and there isn't an "Edit" menu as such; but the keystroke sequence "Alt-E, S" will get you there in any version. (And you can use lower case Alt-e, s as well.)

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: complaint::new ads double printing costs
From: stallion
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 02:46 AM

I have not had a problem but I have always used Firefox and the add blocker is always on, the only thing is that sometimesI get told something will not work cos the cookies required wont load with the add blocker on, is this a con? I am not savvy with 'puters but I am very wary.


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