HTML Practice Thread

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: GUEST,Iona
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 02:43 AM

Ja, like that, Noreen. :D I wasn't really caring on what color it was, I was just trying to get color. Obviously it didn't work. Let me try again.....

Is this green?

HURRAH! It's GREEN! Hip hip hooray! Huzzah!

Now if only I can get the other colors to work.

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: GUEST,Iona
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 02:49 AM

this should be blue

Pink

Red?

Dorghhh! Why did they do that? I put 'magenta' and 'red' as the font colors---why in the world did they turn out aqua and green??

Help!

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 05:00 AM

It appears you wrote:


<font color=navy#>this should be blue</font>

<font color=magenta#> Pink</font>

Try it without the #

<font color=blue>this should be blue</font>

this should be blue

To be "formallly correct" the color names you put in are "littorals" and should be enclosed in straight quotes, but as in other places omitting the quotes is usually acceptable. The color names you can use are limited to a few words defined by the standard, so you do need to avoid using unusual colors. Some browsers page interpreters are better than others at recognizing things like fuschia and chartreuse. Methods are also available for defining the colors by numerical codes that allow very broad latitude.

John

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: GeoffLawes
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 06:53 AM

Thank you Joe. It looked to me as if I was setting out the code exactly as you say ( I got it from you when I originally used it long ago anyway ) However, Jeri said above   
There's no space between the hash(#) and the target. (If that's what you're taking about)
which I did not understand at the time but having reconsidered the meaning of his advice I discovered that there was indeed a space between the hash and the target which I had not previously noticed. So here goes with another attempt. I am also trying out John's advice about colour which was a trigger to reconsidering Jeri's advice about the tricky properties of the hash.

 *** Songtitle,The.........(36spaces)..............  SONGWRITER(S) …27 (spaces)…  Performer(s) #

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: GeoffLawes
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 06:56 AM

SONG TITLE, THE


By Writer's Name

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: GeoffLawes
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 07:09 AM

Thank you Jeri, John and Joe
How many blokes whose names begin with the same phoneme does it take to change a piece of HTML code?
4

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: Noreen
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 11:40 AM

Blokes and blokesses, Geoff :)

(Though Jeri may be happy to be called a bloke, in this context..?)

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 07:08 PM

Thanks so much, John! That's my problem right there. Leave it to me to mess something obvious up. :D

Red!

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 08:06 PM

Trying something.

.

Nope, didn't work. There is an open code for font size somewhere up the thread that is making the text outside the form at the bottom of the thread display large. When viewed in increments of 50 or fewer it isn't in the last page of posts. It is only visible if you open the entire thread.

SRS

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 08:18 PM

There is a reason for this:

---

Oh...I'm trying the same thing as SRS, with the same negative results.
Oh.....I got it.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: GeoffLawes
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 08:54 PM

OOps! Sorry about the inappropriate re-assignment Jeri.
How many blokes who have made unwarranted assumptions does it take to change a gender?

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: GUEST,Iona
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 02:33 AM

6 Day Creationist

Just practicing.


In the Beginning


God Created the


Heavens

and the


Earth

Young earth creationism....eureka! It's in the Bible.

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: GUEST,Iona
Date: 16 Feb 12 - 03:54 PM

How do you do the 'little letters' like we see the Mudelfs doing when they ad an addendum to someone's post?

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 16 Feb 12 - 08:34 PM

<font size=1>font size 1</font> font size 1

<font size=2> font size 2

<font size=3> font size 3

<font size=4> font size 4

<font size=5> font size 5

<font size=6> font size 6

Is this what you mean?

John

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: GUEST,Iona
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 12:06 AM

Yep! Thanks a million, John! :)

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 02:02 AM

Note that I did leave the </font> off of all except the first size in the display versions. You really should have an "end" for each tag, or at least end them all with </font></font></font></font></font> ... at the end of the last font change. If you don't close each one and reopen a new one with each change, as you go, it's easy to lose track of how many times to end end end them.

There are also a couple of other standard ways of getting different text sizes with a "Title1" "Titel2" or "Header1" etc, but I find the simple numbers sufficient. The problem is that the page header may set an unusual size, so you sort of need to preview to see how big a particular number will look relative to the rest of the page.

John

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Aug 12 - 05:45 PM

€
¶
۞
☢
∑
♪
♫
♭
♩
♜
x੠

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Aug 12 - 06:00 PM

♖
Ζ
Σ
ς

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Aug 12 - 06:57 PM

Ā
ā
Ō
ō
Ū

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 08:24 PM

Señores, voy a cantarles
Llamado Jesú Güera Chabala

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 11:43 PM

Dear IONA

Look at the "view source " under the file area of your browser.

Placed in the greater than< ...and less than> ....brakets you will find a "font color=" and a size like "small " followed by perhaps another "small "....

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

The toilet in kansas...like the wizznin Oz wants to obfusicate the simplicity.

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 02:16 PM

Jesús Cadenas
(La Güera Chabela)
1
Señores voy a cantarles
De versos una quincena,
Para recorder un hombre
llamado Jesús Cadenas.

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: van lingle
Date: 09 Oct 12 - 01:57 PM

blue

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: van lingle
Date: 09 Oct 12 - 02:01 PM

bold

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: van lingle
Date: 09 Oct 12 - 02:17 PM

Moonstone

---

There was a line break/carriage return in the middle of your link, so it didn't work. I fixed it. -Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 09 Oct 12 - 06:25 PM

An alternate method for specifying colors is to use a "6-digit" Hex number for the color you want. The first two Hex numbers give the "amount of red." The next two give the amount of green. The last two give the amount of blue.

While theoretically this allow you to specify any color in the RGB spectrum, exact display on your monitor or in print may not be something that is assured.

<font color=#FF0000;>This is pure red</font> = This is pure red

<font color=#00FF00;>This is pure green</font> = This is pure green

<font color=#0000FF;>This is pure blue</font> = This is pure blue

<font color=#883888;>What color is this?</font> = What color is this?

John

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: Artful Codger
Date: 09 Oct 12 - 10:01 PM

Well, for guy stuff, it's "putty", for girl stuff it's "taupe", and if it's on your car, it's "birdshit".

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 03:47 AM

A C - I guess I'd take any of your color names. Actually on my screen my first guess was "camo" or maybe "OD."

John

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: van lingle
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 09:55 AM

Thanks Joe.

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: van lingle
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 10:10 AM

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: van lingle
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 10:13 AM

Traugott

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: van lingle
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 10:24 AM

Traugott

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: van lingle
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 11:44 AM

Traugott

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: Jack Campin
Date: 20 Mar 13 - 12:43 PM

Does Mudcat and my browser support the Unicode "pile of poo" character?

decimal: 💩
hex: 💩

Pile of Poo

Not yet, it seems.

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 20 Mar 13 - 03:43 PM

Jack - I see your poo poo okay. The browser shouldn't affect what you see, but the encoding your browser is set to use may not be the one needed for special characters. Your own computer also must have a character set (font) installed and accessible in order for them to show.

IE allows you to choose "auto select" for encoding (on the View menu) and it generally picks "Western European ISO" for me and it does poo poo.

Recent Windows versions will include at least a couple of "Unicode" fonts, one of which is Lucida Sans Unicode, and I think there are a couple of others. The Times New Roman that I have is a "Unicode extended" font, but I'm not sure whether it came with Windows or was "acquired elsewhere." NONE OF THESE will include all Unicode characters, but they do include lots of characters that aren't in "normal" fonts. (The two listed at the link are apparently both Apple fonts and I don't have either of them on my machine.)

Before Win98SE, Windows loaded all the installed fonts at bootup, and loading even one of the "Unicode extended" fonts would pretty much fill all the RAM you had. Recollection is that Win98SE loaded only "the first thousand" or something of the sort. Later versions (I'm not too sure about WinXP or Vista(?)), load only a "basic set" at startup, and can "call up" other fonts, or selections from them, "as needed," so you can put all your fonts in the Font folder and Windows "finds anything you've got," but only loads what gets asked for into RAM/Temp memory.

Changing the "encoding" in your browser might display this one, but using it for general web postings is a little dangerous since many computers people will use don't handle many characters over 4 "hex digits" long, and this is a 5-digit character.

&#x1F4A9; = 💩 shows for me in Win7/IE10.

John

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 05 Dec 13 - 06:49 PM

Suggested thread for HTML Questions and Practice?

John

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Dec 13 - 07:08 PM

ă
&@257;
caret and macron

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Dec 13 - 07:11 PM

Gee!
ā

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Dec 13 - 08:31 PM

A helper program for the most common, useful symbols and accents

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 12:50 PM

(bah)

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 01:46 PM

Never use the software mentioned by Bill for Mudcat, as amply explained in many threads including this one and this one. You risk being whipped by AC!

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: GUEST,ketchdana
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 02:25 PM

Let's see if we can add a pop-up comment, or "tool tip".  [Hover mouse here]   YMMV
Not terribly useful, just interesting (if it works).

Bob

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 03:04 PM

Recent Microsoft OS (Windows) installations allow you to select any one of approximately 128 different "regionalized" keyboards1 so that you can type in about any language you're likely to want to use. Changing the keyboard to something other than the hardware you have of course doesn't change the labels on the keys.

¹ To see the keyboards at the link you'll need to allow popups, since the keyboard "picture" appears as a popup. You also have to click the "Shift" key to see the shifted chars. You can "snatch the picture" using Alt-PrtScn and paste it somewhere, but no one has found a way to get them other than one at a time.

While recent Windows includes two "extended fonts" called "Lucida Sans Unicode" and "Arial Unicode MS" that include quite a few characters not in common "Western" fonts (about 1,700 chars total), they're not even close to including a complete Unicode character set, although they're sufficiently huge that loading them may cripple some computers. (Use only when necessary.) On most HTML websites, using the extended sets will result in lots of "unreadables," so those should be used only if you need them to typeset your thesis for paper printing.

Even the plain vanilla "Times New Roman" in my Win7 installation includes about 840 characters, which is sufficient for most uses.

In Start|All Programs|Accessories ALL WINDOWS VERSIONS at least since Win95 (I'm not sure about Win 2.0 or 3.1?) should include the "Character Map" that display any font you have installed, displays the characters as they'll print in that font, and gives you the Unicode HEX number for the character, or in a few cases the ANSI number for ones you can enter with Alt-NumPad.

(Of course Bill has a minimum of nine programs to do each little trick, but I don't consider them very necessary when Word does nearly all of them.)

Note that using a font that includes "more characters" is senseless in HTM since you cannot control what fonts anyone readiing (or trying to read) your post will have on their computer.

"It is exceedingly rude, and useless to attempt to specify a font when posting to an HTML website." (Adobe PostScript Bible for Win95, ca. 1997)

John

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: Stanron
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 06:38 AM

    /\/^^^^\/\
   <          >
  <            >
      ^    ^
     [0]  [0]   
  (     OO     )
     \______/
      \_UU_/
  

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: Stanron
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 06:40 AM

That was using the pre tag in the < > brackets.

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: DaveRo
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 11:29 AM

Seeing that Ukranian spam this morning, which appeared mainly as ???? I wondered what the current situation was with non-Roman letters.

The upper lines are normal typed or copied letters, the lower lines are encoded into html &-codes. In preview they are the same.

Turkish: ç s g ö ü i
ç ş ğ ö ü ı (the dreaded dotless i)

Ali Babanin bir çiftligi var
Çiftliginde kuzulari var
Mee, mee diye bagirir
Çiftliginde Ali Babanin

Ali Babanın bir çiftliği var
Çiftliğinde kuzuları var
Mee, mee diye bağırır
Çiftliğinde Ali Babanın


Hungarian: long umlauts o u
ő ű

Megy a gozös, megy a gozös Kanizsára.
Kanizsai, kanizsai állomásra.
Elöl ül a masiniszta,
Hátul meg a krumplifeju palacsinta.

Megy a gőzös, megy a gőzös Kanizsára.
Kanizsai, kanizsai állomásra.
Elöl ül a masiniszta,
Hátul meg a krumplifejű palacsinta.


Polish:
c n ó s z l z a e
ć ń ó ś ź ł ż ą ę

Patrzy Wojtus, patrzy, duma,
Zaszly lza oczeta.
Czemus mnie tak oklamala?
Wojtus zapamieta.

Patrzy Wojtuś, patrzy, duma,
Zaszły łzą oczęta.
Czemuś mnie tak okłamała?
Wojtuś zapamięta.

Greek
?de?f? ????ße

Αδελφέ Ιάκωβε

Cyrillic
???? ????! ??

Брат Иван! Эй

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 12:43 PM

The "current situation" is worse than before the change made about a year ago. The web site is all in UTF-8, but the database remains in some ancient codepage. The script performs a mapping on the (Unicode) input, but, alas, not to HTML escapes (which would be finde), but to characters of the said codepage that the programmer deems "close enough".

The "Preview" no longer makes good for its name - what a shame!

All this has been discussed endlessly, and in the end the worst possible solution was chosen. Some Western languages turn out OK, most others miss out, and many posters are deceived by the "Preview".

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: DaveRo
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 01:15 PM

The mostly-Roman languages look superficially the same, dropping some diacritics, which will certainly change the pronunciation in Turkish and probably the others too. I expect speakers of Polish etc. are used to it.

The Greek surprised me. I didn't expect it to convert δ to d yet not use A for capital alpha.

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 01:52 PM

And the ß for β is definitely a bad joke. Who wrote the mapping? If someone in charge reads this: at least fix the Preview, please!

Subject: RE: HTML Practice Thread
From: DaveRo
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 03:06 PM

One reason I was testing this is that I'd had to rewrite the encoder in my Browser Tools addon. I wondered it was worth doing, because I thought the problems of a year or two back were over, as I wrote here.

So the site seems to be OK for French, German, and most western European languages. But encoding is still worthwhile for posting lyrics in these part-Roman languages. And obviously for Russian, Hebrew, Arabic, etc - should anybody do that.

The recent earthquake was near Kuşadası in Turkey, a town I know well. It wouldn't sound the same as Kusadasi