Tinariwen & Carlos Santana : Amassakoul

Subject: Tinariwen and....
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 07:02 PM

Be prepared to be blown away....


....Carlos Santana!

:0)

Subject: RE: Tinariwen and....
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 07:18 PM

Nice one Lizzie!

Subject: RE: Tinariwen & Carlos Santana : Amassakoul
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 07:22 PM

OK, I'll bite: who are Tinariwen and what does "Amassakoul" mean?
When you start a thread with a YouTube clip, perhaps it would be a good idea to do a little research and give us some information about the clip.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Tinariwen & Carlos Santana : Amassakoul
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 07:26 PM

Well known Tuareg band from Mali who've toured Britain extensively. Been on Jools and a few other BBC programs. Seem to be on every "Festival in the Desert". Sing in French and Tuareg.

Subject: RE: Tinariwen & Carlos Santana : Amassakoul
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 07:40 PM

Tinariwen are.......HERE! :0)

It was one of those videos that just went 'KAPOW!' in my head, so I thought I'd share it with those who'd also love it...

I've found all the Africa Calling ones, too...fantastic!

Amassakoul? One of their CD titles, Joe...

Subject: RE: Tinariwen & Carlos Santana : Amassakoul
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 07:50 PM

Possibly not very well known stateside. They don't know what they're missing. I actually think the anglophone superstars are the weakest link.

Subject: RE: Tinariwen & Carlos Santana : Amassakoul
From: Smedley
Date: 24 Feb 10 - 01:16 PM

Yes, Carlos Santana adds little if anything & is presumably seeking to benefit from Tinariwen's current (in Europe anyway) 'cool cred'.

Subject: RE: Tinariwen & Carlos Santana : Amassakoul
From: the Folk Police
Date: 24 Feb 10 - 01:29 PM

Hi all. Forget the Santana link up. Instead seek out the wonderful "Radio Tiswas Sessions" from a few years back.

Subject: RE: Tinariwen & Carlos Santana : Amassakoul
From: Darowyn
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 04:47 AM

There were times there when I almost started to feel sorry for Carlos Santana.
A lot of Berber (Tuareg) music is harmonically static- all on one chord, like that. That means that like electronic dance music, every instrument effectively becomes part of the beat. Carlos Santana is a very melodic player and loves to resolve his lines and phrases harmonically. There was nowhere for him to go. His normal style is based on rippling sixteenth notes descending and long sustains. His first solo looked like a man trying to find his way in. On the second one, the Djembe player threw him a lifeline with a rhythm pattern, and in the third he followed the vocal line, and he was able to sit in with the groove better.
The Berber culture is a fascinating and very rich one, with many different languages and no agreement even over whether they should use Roman, Arabic or their own unique script. I think that the language spoken in Mali, where Tiniarwen come from, is called Amazighe.
Cheers
Dave

Subject: RE: Tinariwen & Carlos Santana : Amassakoul
From: Mavis Enderby
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 05:52 AM

Wouldn't it have been great to have seen a collaboration with Tinariwen and someone like John Lee Hooker or Bo Diddley?

Ta for the link though. I'm new(ish) to Tinariwen and the "desert blues" sound and lapping it up at the 'mo

Pete.

Subject: RE: Tinariwen & Carlos Santana : Amassakoul
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 06:03 AM

A Youtube clip from the documentary about Tinariwen

And from that Youtube page......

"Legendary poet guitarists and soul rebels from the southern Sahara desert, this documentary extract features performances of '63' under a tree in the desert 'Matadjem Yinmixan' in a tent in Tessalit, as well as a short interview with founder Ibrahim.

In 1963, shortly after independence, the Touaregs of Mali rise up against their new masters. This revolt is brutally suppressed. It is followed by terrible droughts which force thousands of refugees from Mali, Niger and Libya out on the road. It's in the pain of exile that the Teshoumara is born. This movement proclaims the existence but also the necessary evolution of the Touareg people. This is when the guitars of the group Tinariwen first began to be heard."

Subject: RE: Tinariwen & Carlos Santana : Amassakoul
From: Will Fly
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 08:43 AM

Thanks for the link, Lizzie - great music from the Berber band. I've never really had much time for Santana, to be honest. Like some other guitarists, he's so locked into his own style that he can't fit effectively slip into another groove. As a previous poster so aptly put it, there was nowhere for him to go.

Now, if the guest had been, say, Taj Mahal, that might have been really interesting...

Subject: RE: Tinariwen & Carlos Santana : Amassakoul
From: TinDor
Date: 27 Feb 10 - 02:40 PM

"desert blues"

Subject: RE: Tinariwen & Carlos Santana : Amassakoul
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 08:21 AM

One thing listening to African music does prove is that blues and jazz owes as much to European influences as African; and, as it happens, Tinariwen clearly is coming out of Arab music; and, finally, maybe Arab music is the mother of all music.

Subject: RE: Tinariwen & Carlos Santana : Amassakoul
From: Mavis Enderby
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 12:38 PM

Desert Blues