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Folklore: Irish,english,german places play rockwhy

*#1 PEASANT* 26 Feb 10 - 02:26 PM
GUEST,leeneia 26 Feb 10 - 06:11 PM
GUEST,Spleen Cringe 27 Feb 10 - 06:23 AM
*#1 PEASANT* 27 Feb 10 - 08:29 AM
GUEST,Peter Laban 27 Feb 10 - 09:07 AM
Susanne (skw) 27 Feb 10 - 05:57 PM
GUEST, *#1 PEASANT* 27 Feb 10 - 07:01 PM
Steve Gardham 27 Feb 10 - 07:26 PM
Jack Campin 28 Feb 10 - 06:55 AM
*#1 PEASANT* 28 Feb 10 - 07:09 AM
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Subject: Folklore: Irish,english,german places play rockwhy
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 26 Feb 10 - 02:26 PM

Why is it that whenever I go into an Irish English and even German place to eat and drink there garbage ill fitting rock or crap music whereas when I go into absolutely any chinese place or mexican place there is suitable ethnic music in the appropriate language.

I am really irritated that in places where one can get draught Newcastle Brown ale there is absolutely never any geordie music to be had.

Only when a performer comes in is there the appropriate music but not in ordinary time.

Why is it that english and irish and german places have such a low level of commitment to the culture?

Conrad


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish,english,german places play rockwhy
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 26 Feb 10 - 06:11 PM

I have had to listen to rock music in Iceland and France as well as in the U.S. It's not ubiquitous, but it's certainly widespread.

I believe it happens because the average 40-year-old male considers it the only real music. Since most managers are 40-year-old males, we all have to listen to their kind of music.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish,english,german places play rockwhy
From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe
Date: 27 Feb 10 - 06:23 AM

The term "rock music" is pretty meaningless in the 21st Century. Probably even more so than the term "folk music". Within a few minutes walk of my home I can visit half a dozen bars that play "rock" music in the background - but each play a different sort of music. There are two I particularly like: Dulcimer tends to play psychedelia, folk-rock, acid folk, alt-folk and americana; Argylls has a classic dukebox with punk, post-punk, indie, garage rock etc. Others differ again. Horses for courses. At least its not big screen wall-to-wall sports TV, so there's something to be thankful for...

Persoanlly, though some of my favourite singers are from North East England, the thought of sitting in a bar that plays wall-to-wall High Level Ranters, Keelers, Johnny Handle and so on every night sends a shudder down my spine. Give me variety or give me a different bar!


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish,english,german places play rockwhy
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 27 Feb 10 - 08:29 AM

Yes variety is important but if a bar has a feel to it or traditional style or theme they should follow through. I should not have said rock but popular I was distracted by trying to create a title that would fit.

Owners do have something to do with it but I find bartenders are the ones that change the music.

It takes a lot of courage to keep the right music playing and yes it should be variety but even within a tradition there is some variety and then the parent tradition if not North East then british in general would be better than pop rock jazz.....

However, if a place becomes an outpost for a good range of a tradition then people will find it there and if they are new to it it can grow on them over time. We have to trust the power of the music and its basic good qualities.

If the folks keep playing popular music except for when a musician turns up well then there is no chance for the music to be more widely accepted.

Perhaps a compromise should be made. Perhaps playing the proper music every other day or perhaps a day or two before the performer arrives and a day later. It would help with ticket sales at least.

Generally I find that bar patrons choose the music. Yes it is good business sense to accomidate them unless you can excahnge them for olkies. But even regular bar patrons can change their taste. Just maybe work in every other song to fool them.

The worst example thus far appart from the irish place that plays non Irish rock all day is the big german dance hall that has excelent food great surroundings all german yet plays jazz.

Conrad


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish,english,german places play rockwhy
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 27 Feb 10 - 09:07 AM

When you hear Traditional Music (Irish)used as muzak in shops etc. here you know tourist season is imminent. There will be Yanks, in other words.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish,english,german places play roc
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 27 Feb 10 - 05:57 PM

Not many Chinese places around where I live that play "suitable ethnic music in the appropriate language"! Most of it seems to be Chino-pop as bad as the 'Western' variety. However, at least it is usually played rather quietly whereas I often have to ask them to turn the music down in other places. I've even left the occasional restaurant because the noise was unbearable (to my rather un-modern ears ...)

Can't tell you why German restaurants favour rock (or loud MoR) music, Conrad, but I agree that most do. And those who don't play German pop music that features lyrics of the 'dumb and dumber' variety. I'd give a lot to find a restaurant that plays no music at all!


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish,english,german places play rockwhy
From: GUEST, *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 27 Feb 10 - 07:01 PM

Chinese pop is better than some form of music totally out of character with the place.
I were performing in a place I would try to get the folks to play my music or something similar to bring people in.

We only have one German place not too far away. House band was so bad I wrote a hymnal of Bavarian Oktoberfest songs. Recently new management has improved the food but little else.

Conrad


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish,english,german places play rockwhy
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 27 Feb 10 - 07:26 PM

Most people go into food places to eat and socialise! Any music should therefore be unobtrusive. Where music is played you just have to accept that it's likely to be that that appeals to the majority. If you like minority stuff, tuff!


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish,english,german places play rockwhy
From: Jack Campin
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 06:55 AM

One place where you do find the local music featured in restaurants is Turkey. A lot of places just leave the TV on, but the choice of channel can be interesting. Many restaurants are run by Kurds or Alevi/Bektashis, so you will get the Alevi channel ("Cem") or an arabesk music programme that features Kurdish musicians. Other places will use a CD player to similar effect. The pictures on the wall will usually tell you what music you're going to get - since I like Alevi music I look for places with the standard tacky picture of the Prophet Ali on display somewhere.

Other places, the music correlates with the landscapes on the wall, or for one small cafe in Istanbul the whole place is decorated in maroon and pale blue (the colours of Trabzon Football Club) so you know to expect Black Sea fiddle music. I guess Conrad would like to find a Geordie eatery with the decor in black and white stripes.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish,english,german places play rockwhy
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 07:09 AM

That might be good. My general problem is that venues seem to be often not in sync with their professed interest in folk. For maximum impact that is positive having the correct music a good part of the time would go a long way to bringing people in to the circle. I tend to ask about performances which may not and are often not obviously listed when I hear folk music.

Conrad


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