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BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?

MGM·Lion 28 Feb 10 - 01:05 AM
The Villan 28 Feb 10 - 02:42 AM
Richard Bridge 28 Feb 10 - 05:03 AM
Paul Burke 28 Feb 10 - 05:23 AM
John MacKenzie 28 Feb 10 - 05:33 AM
MGM·Lion 28 Feb 10 - 07:39 AM
Emma B 28 Feb 10 - 07:45 AM
Bill D 28 Feb 10 - 10:00 AM
Dave MacKenzie 28 Feb 10 - 10:12 AM
Bobert 28 Feb 10 - 10:26 AM
3refs 28 Feb 10 - 10:27 AM
Bill D 28 Feb 10 - 10:42 AM
Dave MacKenzie 28 Feb 10 - 10:44 AM
The Sandman 28 Feb 10 - 01:15 PM
gnu 28 Feb 10 - 01:34 PM
McGrath of Harlow 28 Feb 10 - 04:30 PM
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Bert 28 Feb 10 - 04:57 PM
Rapparee 28 Feb 10 - 05:03 PM
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Subject: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside'?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 01:05 AM

Soccer: away with "offside"!

... a suggestion which has come up in recent soccer-related threads, which needs a thread of its own IMO.

An essential change to soccer rules, I should say.

Offside slows down the game; discounts some of most brilliant goals; is inconsistent in its application, (e.g. re not offside if ball last played by member of defending team not applying in case of rebound from goalkeeper, though "played" in any other context [e.g throw-ins, corners] simply means "touched").

There have been many recent extremely basic changes to the rules, e.g. the no handling in case of back-pass to goalkeeper, which have improved the game although there was opposition to them when introduced; and I think abolition of 'offside' would definitely be another such.

The rule originated in the game's infancy, to prevent 'goal-hanging' in the early 'boot it hopefully upfield' days when the game was young. It has long outlived its usefulness, and become increasingly hedged about with complications and exceptions to the extent of rendering it pretty well incomprehensible. The modern game could surely, faced with the challenge of 'goal-hanging' which abolition of the rule would bring, develop techniques for obviating this particular threat ~ which seems to me the sole reason ever adduced by its supporters for for retaining this obsolete, obstructive and game-spoiling rule.

What do others think?


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: The Villan
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 02:42 AM

It would suit the Villa down to the ground.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 05:03 AM

I have a better idea. Let's abolish association football. Completely.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 05:23 AM

I have, as usual, much sympathy with Mr. Bridges' point of view, but I believe a few minor rule changes could greatly improve the sport. Abolish the handball rule. Allow defenders to grapple the opponent who has the ball. Make the successful carrying of the ball to the opponents' end fruitful in terms of the score. To improve handling, change the shape of the ball to an ellipsoid. Instead of endless boring conversations about stars, managers and the offside rule, the apres-jeu should involve drinking to excess and singing bawdy ditties concerning Scottish virgins or engineers.

I'm sure you will agree that the sport would be greatly improved by these measures.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 05:33 AM

Oblate follicled spheroids


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 07:39 AM

Bridge & Burke ~ what I can't understand is, if you hate the game so much, why even bother to read a thread like this in the first place?: let alone adding your fatuous comments which nobody who might be remotely interested in the topic will want to know about anyhow. What a perverse, awkward pair of sillibuggaz to be sure!. If you just want to denigrate a game that some of us are obviously devoted to, why not just start your own thread to denounce it, & I promise I shan't even bother to read it. Meanwhile, kindly pay me a like courtesy and keep yourselves & your fatuous and jejune comments off mine.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: Emma B
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 07:45 AM

Being a mere woman I had it explained to me thus -

You're in a shoe shop, second in the queue for the till. Behind the shop assistant on the till is a pair of shoes which you have seen and which you must have.

The female shopper in front of you has seen them also & is eyeing them with desire. Both of you have forgotten your purses.

It would be totally rude to push in front of the first woman if you had no money to pay for the shoes. The shop assistant remains at the till waiting.

Your friend is trying on another pair of shoes at the back of the shop and sees your dilemma. She prepares to throw her purse to you. If she does so, you can catch the purse, then walk round the other shopper and buy the shoes!

At a pinch she could throw the purse ahead of the other shopper and, "whilst it is in flight" you could nip around the other shopper, catch the purse and buy the shoes!

BUT, you must always remember that until the purse has "actually been thrown", it would be plain wrong to be in front of the other shopper!

Seems perfectly comprehensible to me :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 10:00 AM

abolish 'offside' rule, and allow one more defenseman per side....


And while we're at it, lets take a look at that maniacal process of chasing a loose ball, sliding frantically between two opponents in a desperate attempt to kick it near a teammate, and often fouling, just to 'possibly' get an ever-so-brief possession when it's not a crucial situation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 10:12 AM

The FA and their predecessors have been talking about getting rid of off-side since 1843, when they came up the compromise of it only applying in the defending side's half, rather than abolishing it completetly as in Aussie Rules, or retaining it throughout the whole field as in gridiron and Rugby.

Why not adopt the Hockey blue line?


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 10:26 AM

I'm all for abolishing the offside's rule... First of all, it keeps the scoring down... Who likes watching 1-0 games??? No one, that's who...

Plus, it penalizes your defense for making a good defensive play, intercepting an errant pass and getting the ball to a striker... I mean, that's flat out dumb... You know, penalizing a team or player for playing, ahhhh, well...

Yeah, I like Bill's idea of havin' an extra defenseman to handle hail-Mary kicks to no one in particular...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: 3refs
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 10:27 AM

I played soccer(football)for a couple of years and I was never in a position to be "offside", it was too far up the field!
All I can compare it to is when they took the center line out of hockey, eliminating the "two line pass". As a referee, I thought it was the dumbest thing they'd ever done. There I am, standing at the net(ready to call a goal)and a pass is made to a player 2/3rds of the way up the ice at the far blueline. Talk about having to skate your guts out! Now that the linesmen have been instructed to follow the play right to the net(if need be)it's made hockey a better and faster game. We can thank girls hockey for this one! They did it first!


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 10:42 AM

Hockey is a different animal, in that the puck can go from one end to another in about 2 seconds. That has to be accounted for.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 10:44 AM

I believe it's not unknown for a soccer goalie to score (at the other end) from his own goal area.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 01:15 PM

imo it should be abolished


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: gnu
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 01:34 PM

Well, although I haven`t given it a lot of thought, it could increase the speed and excitement of play. Given the fact that the level of athleticism and the skill of the players has increased a fair bit in the last few hundred years, it might be well worth a trial in a minor league.

Of course... the ends of such a change may be perceived simply as an attempt to increase viewership and therefore only about money.

One thing that does come to mind is this... would you want to play defense without the offside rule for 90 minutes on a hot dayÉ

É = question mark... my keyboard is messed up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 04:30 PM

Nothing wrong with 1-0 games in principle. Or 0-0 games for that matter. It all depends on the game. High scoring games can be boring as well.

Hurling manages well enough without an offside rule - but then it's possible to have a player score from pretty well anywhere on the field, so it's not a comparable game really.

But the real disadvantage to abolishing the offside rule would be that it would mean an end to the sport of explaining the offside rules to people who don't understand it, and of arguing about it with people who do. I think that pretty definitively rules out any such change.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: gnu
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 04:43 PM

Hahahahaa. Good one!


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: Bert
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 04:57 PM

Abolish the yellow card and tighten up the refereeing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 05:03 PM

I think we ought to abolish the non-use of hands, except for the Goalie. Everybody else could use their hands to anything, even to choke the living crap out of a ref -- except the Goalies. They couldn't use their hands for anything and their hands would be handcuffed behind their backs.

(Before you UKers start in on me, my college had soccer as its primary intercollegiate sport and won the NAIA Division I championships several years in a row.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 05:18 PM

Of course they could abolish the referee and let the players sort it out between them, with the supporters joining in. After all that's how football was originally played.

Here's an entertaining where the offside rule doesn't appear too significant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: Allen in Oz
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 08:54 PM

I think that the abolition of offside was trialled some years ago ( together with wider goals )

It was a failure...lots of goals..but no one cared

I could be wrong...I was once in 1958 I think

Best wishes

AD


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 09:08 PM

Leave it as it is, but play it on a cross-shaped field: one direction is soccer, ninety degrees to it is a rugby match.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 09:11 PM

First of all, I understand it... I played soccer for several years back in the 70's in D.C. and folks there understand soccer... I also coached for two years (13-14 year olds)... But nevermind that...

I think if what BillD suggested and allow an extra defenseman then you'd have higher scoring games but not crazy high... LIke more 4-3 games...

I think it's worth a revisitin'...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 03:35 AM

While being passionate about the game for over fifty years (and agree with MGM's comments re other posters above) I would hate to try to explain the offside rule, through its various forms over the years, to a non - affictionado. Possibly that was why I was a constant offender in my younger days and as such I have, on occasions, decline to run the line for that reason.
However,it has always been part of the game and some teams have their defence trained to a fine art to catch the opposing attack offside while other teams similarly have strikers with lightning speed who can spring the offside trap.
Nothing boring about that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: Stu
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 04:12 AM

I'm not so sure about getting rid of it completely, but would simplify it so that there were no exceptions (get rid of all this not influencing play rubbish) so if the ball hasn't been played forward then anyone between the last of the back four and the keeper is offside, full stop.

The problem at the moments is even commentators aren't sure of the rules, and it's all got too convoluted.

Shame about the Villa yesterday. Did Fergie intimidate Phil Dowd? He'd certainly had a go at him in previous weeks for sending off his players.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 04:29 AM

Agree re Villa, Jack ~ Vidic should have been off in 4th minute!.

But getting back from drift ~ think simplified rule as you postulate it would make things worse: someone wd be offside all the time & then what?

Wish they would just try something like an agreed season worldwide without it to see how it went, & then reconsider the necessity of the rule in toto.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 10:01 AM

In that case, why not make the whole field offside?


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 12:11 PM

That was the rule pre 1843.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 01:09 PM

In what way would a no offside rule improve the game? I couldn't see teams effectively attacking as a unit. It would probably mean that the midfield would become clogged with one team trying to cancel out the other.

Agbonlahor was actually heading away from goal when Vidic tackled and was therefore not denied a goal scoring opportunity. Phil Dowd made the right call. Its a technicality but according to the rules its the right call. FIFA are looking into this rule right now because of the triple whammy effect on the offending team. The opposition are awarded a penalty, the offending player is sent off and receives a suspension ruling him out for up to three games. This rule is unprecedented in the game.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: Den
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 01:20 PM

Forgot to sign-in...the guest above was me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 01:24 PM

To turn your question around, Den: I have been puzzling my head as to what service the rule does FOR the game since I first learned it in 1941 ~ apart from leading to perpetual temper-robbing irritation & frustration & reducing the most promising of moves to piddling pettifogging fidgets. Could you perhaps elaborate on its advantages? (Forget the goal-hanging argument, comprehensively dealt with already.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: Den
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 02:45 PM

MtheGM, the goal hanging argument is huge and I think would have a detrimental effect on the game as an entertainment spectacle. I believe that without the offside rule football/soccer would be a large field game of ping pong, filled with long kicks and alternating mad scrambles from one end of the field to the other. The field of play would either be drawn out completely or the midfield would be compacted in order to prevent the opposing team from playing. By preventing any "offside" player from participating in the game, the rule puts a premium on dribbling and passing, rather than long kicks. This promotes teamwork, which, in turn, encourages quick switching from one side of the field to the other, and compresses the action to a smaller area of the field. The end result is that all the players stay closer to the action, and everyone has a better chance of participating in the game. Why not just play with say four players and have them belt the ball up and down to each other.

Now what's your argument for abolishing the rule?


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 03:47 PM

Read my OP for answer to your final question, Den. You don't really imagine I am going to type it all out again, do you? Which leads me to my reply to your post ~~~

I don't agree with a single word of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 03:48 AM

Well for starters, the game is called football, not soccer.

The term is an abbreviation of association football, which used to distinguish it from other forms back in the days of different rules before the FA was set up.

One aspect of the game is the offside rule, which makes the game better as it stops "goal hanging."

Full stop.

This does of course stop the game from having too many goals and if you need to have a higher score in order to be interested, may I suggest you try and get out more?   

On a slightly more serious note, I accept that the policing of offside does need tweaking from time to time. In fact, I only wish referees were allowed to enforce the rules as they stand rather than how they are told by FIFA that they stand. If a player is in line with the final defender, he should be deemed to be onside, but how often do you see the ruddy flag go up? FIFA obviously think we pay good money to watch three blokes, two with flags and one with a whistle, rather than watch 22 players.

Oh, and if linesmen (NEVER assistant referees) are not capable of running to keep up, replace them with people who are. If offside is to be debated on its merits or otherwise, then at least let us make an assumption that linesmen are in a position to see whether somebody is offside or not? Until they make spectacles that adjust for parallax error that is.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 03:52 AM

... tho would add, come to think of it, that the rule as at present constituted redounds against the swift short-passing game which the Soviet Russians, who used no offside rule at that time so the matches were played without it, intro'd us to, much to our wonderment, on their tours at end of WWii ~~~ so it is at least as arguable that its abolition would revive that skill as that it would lead to the unfortunate outcomes you suggest above, Den.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 03:57 AM

... & Steaming Willie, kindly don't address me in that patronising tone if you don't mind. The term 'football' as you yourself have just reminded us, should equally be used of both rugby codes, Ozzie rules, Celtic {real original subject of 'Football Crazy'}, & the lot ~~ hence my careful specification as to which code I was writing about ~~ SIR.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 04:03 AM

In fact, in re some of the 'annoying misuses of language' threads which proliferate around here: one which has always irritated me immeasurably is such usages as "Did you play Rugby or Football at your school?" ~~~ 'Rugby' *is* a form of 'football' FFS, so the usage is both tautologous and meaningless.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 08:45 AM

Agbonlahor was actually heading away from goal when Vidic tackled and was therefore not denied a goal scoring opportunity. Phil Dowd made the right call.===

&, Den, this absurd argument, traceable back to an idiot statement by Graham Poll, is comprehensively destroyed by Matt Dickinson in this morning's Times: I commend his article to you. It is on p 71, or could no doubt be accesed at times Online.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: GUEST,mayomick
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 09:50 AM

Practically it would take several seasons for the rule change to settle in and for coaches to adapt their tactics. The game is all about winnng trophies nowadays and any team manager who lost an important game would blame it on the rule change . What incentive would a team like Manchester United have for supporting any change in the status quo?

I'm not sure if a rule change would speed the game up myself ,it might even have the opposite effect . I have (distant)memories of playing in the school playground without any off-side rule. There used to be a bunch of "goal-hangers" in the other teams half waiting to get the ball kicked up to them with markers from the opposing team trying to crowd them out .

Why was the rule first introduced?


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: MikeL2
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 10:10 AM

Hi

Another reason why I support the don't change the off-side rule brigade, is that in this era of " make sure thou shalt not lose before you attempt to try and win" ; what would happen is that teams near the bottom of the league would pack the goal line making it almost impossible to score.

Wolves would recruit a team of seven feet tall eighteen stone players in a desperate effort to avoid relegation.

Fergie would be constantly measuring the goals to make sure that they were the correct size and it would be even more difficult for Arsen Wenger not to see what happened when one of his players was involved in fouling someone.

Leave well alone.

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 12:58 PM

············What incentive would a team like Manchester United have for supporting any change in the status quo?··········

I see no virtue or point in this argument. If the change were voted thru by the competent authority, then Man U would have the same option as any other team: to accept it & abide by it; or to bugger off and ~ ah ~ play with themselves.

There was, remember, considerable opposition, on much same sort of grounds as those above to this change I propose, from various entrenched interests, to the changes in the back-pass to goalkeepers rules not that many years ago: it was a fundamental alteration to what had gone on as long as the rules had been formulated. But it has indubitably improved the game and I don't think anyone regrets it now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 01:11 PM

MtheGM misses a point when he / she accused me of patronising.

There is only one game called football. Other pastimes with it in the title are of a passing fancy but in the words of Bill Shankley, "Football isn't a way of life, its far more important than that."

if you feel that using the term "football" can be confusing, what the hell are you doing commenting on THE game?

Blasphemy where I come from, you know.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 01:23 PM

What Shankly actually said, Willie, was that it wasn't "a matter of Life & Death ~ much more important than that".

In fact, my use of 'Soccer' in the thread title was considered: mainly for enlightenment & comprehension of any Transponders, among whom the game has more & more caught on under that name. I take your points: tho must reiterate that the dichotomy of 'rugby or football' always makes me shudder: I remember {name-drop alert} once arguing with my old (& alas late) friend Clement Freud about this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 04:48 PM

If you say football, in most of the English speaking world it's ambiguous. For instance, in 1886 Hawick Football Club joined the Scottish Football Union and Hull Football Club (est 1865) still plays in Superleague XV.

In the 50's as children, while we played "football" to something like Association rules, we were well aware that there were different forms of the game. For modern Association football followers to claim excusive use of the term is just an arrogant denial of the game's variety and history.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 05:10 PM

Well, to me the offside rule is kinda like if baseball said that anyone who hit the ball "over the fence" (now a homerun) would be called out!!! Yeah, if ya'll like a short passin' game and alot of traffic jams then keep it the way it is... If you want somethin more exciting than let 'um attempt to pass downfield to a striker... In American football that is called "going deep" and it doesn't ruin American football so why should it soccer??? And long pases, contary to some folks opinions, ain't all that easy to connect...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: gnu
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 07:28 PM

Good anology Bobert. But lost on those peeps who don't know Bart Starr of The Long Bomb, et al.

In the long run (pun intended), as long as the rules are applied judicially by the referees, the contest is up to the atheletes. As for the fans, how can one define "exciting"? Not any easier than defining "folk", is it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: Arnie
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 06:26 AM

I read in yesterday's Times that the FIFA chief Sepp Blatter has now asked various football administrators for their views on abolishing the offside rule. There is a possibility that it will be introduced as an experiment in lower or non-league footie to see how it goes. Nothing will happen until next season of course, but it will be interesting to see if this is progressed...


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: MikeL2
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 09:34 AM

hi arnie

Yea I saw something like that some months back.

I wonder if this trial is going on now? I go to watch my young grandson who plays for the school football ( in this area we have THREE kinds - football ( soccer) union and league !!!)team.

They usually have referees but no linesmen. I find that the school providing the referee tends to default to the no offside rule when it applies to players from their own school.

Makes for interesting watching and occasionally very biassed results, not to mention howls of foul play by visiting spectators.

At least it means that any-up-and-coming young footballer will be well conversant and experienced in playing the no offside rule should it ever get passed.

Wouldn't be too concerned with what Blatter says.....he will change his mind again tomorrow.

cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 10:11 PM

England 3 Egypt 1 last night. Oh, goodie-goodie.

But Crouch's first goal should never have stood: he was well offside in terms of the present idiot rule we are discussing here. Even the Assistant Refs can't get it right without the hindsight of instant replays available to commentator & viewer ~~~ &, NO, this is not a plea for bigscreen appeals as are now happening in tennis & cricket; it is a plea, AGAIN, to get rid of this obstructive, otiose, divisive rule once & for all. It has outlived whatever usefulness it might ever have had & is becoming more & more of a nuisance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Soccer: let's abolish 'offside' rule?
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 03:14 AM

Infuriating as it is (well, when your side gets pulled up for offside and when the opposing scorer was celearly offending, it is) it constitutes an integral part of the the game and while championships and cups have been lost, and won, because of the subjective nature of the rule to abolish it would be akin to doing away with LBW in cricket or punching below the belt in boxing.


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