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*#1 PEASANT* 01 Mar 10 - 07:59 AM
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Subject: Folklore: Should pitchers be requiredforfolkvenues
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 07:59 AM

When you go into establishments that serve alcoholic beverages these days it seems that there is a movement to stop the sale of beverages by the large pitcher.

While this might be done to make more money by charging more for single beers and yes sometimes there is a discount for a pitcher (after all it does save the waitstaff considerale labor) the place could still at any time charge the same rate by the pitcher as by the glass after doing the math.

Generally I feel that this transition from pitcher to individual serving is done to keep customers from consuming their required dosage of drink. Some places that do serve pitchers limit consumption to one.
No matter how big a person is or how well trained in the fine art of mass consumption. My wife who would be on the floor after a pticher gets a whole one while I who need no limits find myself short of the proper dose. So there is a stifling of freedom involved.

At folk venues especially when music is playing getting to the bar is often difficult- pitchers make constant movement to the bar unnecessary. Also the wait staff do not have to move through the audience so often.

If people want their proper measure why not make it easier. Places would sell more and customers woiuld stay longer.

But is political correctitude to be the driving force what do you think. Let us build an international movement of folk solidarity to make the pitcher the standard.

Conrad


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Should pitchers be requiredforfolkvenues
From: GUEST,mayomick
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 09:09 AM

When I saw the thread name about pitchers at venues I thought you were talking about pitch pipes to make sure folkies stay in tune with each other.

Not really a musical question this one. The bit about it being especially difficult to get to the bar at folk venues is obviously a desperate ploy to keep the thread above the BS zone coming from somebody who wants to make out that his musical rather than his drinking enjoyment is being spoiled by having to make 'constant movements' to the bar . What about having to make constant movements to the toilet after drinking all the pitchers - that wouldn't spoil your musical enjoyment would it?

Only kidding , I like pitchers as well and plenty of them .


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Should pitchers be requiredforfolkvenues
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 09:13 AM

I thought it was a thread about baseball.

Pitchers are ok if everybody's drinking the same, but if you're in a session where you're involved in nearly every song or tune, getting up to the bar every now and then is a welcome relief.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Should pitchers be requiredforfolkvenues
From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 09:49 AM

Do you not have pint glasses in the US? The perfect size for most draft beers.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Should pitchers be requiredforfolkvenues
From: melodeonboy
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 09:55 AM

I'm all in favour of pitchers. Especially a nice Rembrandt or a Monet. Always provides a nice backdrop for the performer, I like to think, and adds a bit of sophistication to the proceedings.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Should pitchers be requiredforfolkvenues
From: Mr Red
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 09:57 AM

Pitchers at folk venues?

Would that be a double-base ball venue?


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 10:43 AM

I think anyone caught pitching beer should be stopped from buying any more. They are obviously pissed.


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 10:46 AM

It's like quaffing. You need to perfect the loft on the throw when pitching.


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: Bernard
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 10:47 AM

They should simply supply tubes to enable you to plumb yourself in to the nearest cask of ale. No need for 'pitchers' (we call 'em jugs, but we also call ladies' wobbly bits 'jugs', too!), bottles, cans, glasses or tankards!


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: michaelr
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 11:05 AM

Should #1 Peasant be required to start no maore than six silly threads per week?


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 12:43 PM

A single pint sufficient....must be one of the new generation more like 9-12 more likely....


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 01:08 PM

One at a time, silly!


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 01:41 PM

Just as an aside, a place in a local detox unit costs £480 per week - not something that you drink obsessed people want to be landed with!


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: GUEST,nickp (cookieless)
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 02:51 PM

Spleen Crindge, for curiosity, U.S. pints are only 16 fl.oz. compared to our 20. Can make buying fuel interesting too if you want to think in gallons...


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 03:02 PM

Eek! That's a bit unfair on Americans, innit?...


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: PoppaGator
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 03:31 PM

I'm puzzled at the mention of a one-to-a-customer limit on pitchers of beer:

A) How could this possibly be enforced? Do they stamp your hand when you purchase a pitcher?

B) It seems to be based on the assumption that that each pitcher is normally consumed by a single individual. Everywhere I've ever lived drunk, each pitcher is normally shared by two or more folks, then refilled as necessary. For one thing, the beer stays colder/fresher that way.

I would offer this advice to Mr. and Mrs. #1 Peasant: rather than buy two pitchers at once, and then have one of you fail to drain hers while the other sucks all of his down and remains unsatisifed, why not buy one, each drink at his/her accustomed pace, and then buy another?

Some bars sell draft beer by the pitcher and some don't. Some even sell beer only by the bottle or can, with no draft (draught) available at all. The pitcher option indeed allows fewer trips to the bar for refills. Choose your folk-club venue accordingly!


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 05:20 PM

The pint was normally 16floz in the 18th century. The Imperial (20floz) pint became the British standard in the early 19th century. Was this to make it closer to the half litre?


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 05:39 PM

I find that buying two four-pint jugs of Harveys Best Bitter sees me nicely through an evening at the Lewes Saturday Folk Club in the Elephant & Castle , saving me the physical fatigue and nervous strain which would otherwise be caused by going up and down the stairs past the Angel of Death eight times.

Valmai (Lewes, Sussex, UK)


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 05:40 PM

Yes we buy one then the other- she drinks diet coke as she is the designated wife.

What do you mean only one person per pitcher.

Even large size pitchers- I get to the bottom well before it is any where near cold.

I have had the best beer drinking training in the world- three years at the university of maryland Munich where liters were the rule, and where I met the anglo irish crowd then a year at Durham in the NE Uk where I was raised on X.

Training is required but once you are there you are there. Places that know me have the second one readied as I get half way through the first and that is as it should be. However with current prices.....bring out the thimble.....

Conrad


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: Chris Green
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 05:42 PM

I'd argue that if the only way you can enjoy a gig is by drinking several pitchers of beer, you're probably going to the wrong gigs....


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 05:51 PM

PoppaGator: 'A) How could this possibly be enforced? Do they stamp your hand when you purchase a pitcher?'

Dipsticks?

Valmai


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: IvanB
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 06:01 PM

Although the US pint is officially 16 fl. oz., most US pubs I've been to lately (admittedly only a few) offer a 20 or even 22 oz brew as a "pint" and the 16 oz as a "glass."


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk ven
From: EnglishFolkfan
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 06:07 PM

I was brought up in a Kentish family where the mark of a consummate real ale drinker was the person at the bar buying the round was able to sink the first pint before the publican had drawn the last pint in the order. A bit like the 'bakers dozen' ~ one orders a pint more than there are people requiring drinks.

As someone who survived the 'Watney's Red Barrel' era by supporting small local breweries I pray English Ale is never faced with that terror again!

*hic*


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 06:35 PM

The mark of a real real ale drinker is a yard in under 5 seconds.


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 06:37 PM

I used to go into the "Castle" in Putney after work and order 2 pints of Young's Ordinary. I'd have the first pint finished before the second was poured. Something to do with the office air-conditioning!


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk ven
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 06:46 PM

I have often gotten the feeling that people in other countries drink more than those in the US. Is that true?


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 08:12 PM

no for some gigs it takes them three pitchers time just to tune up


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 09:12 PM

Don't you think someone would get hurt with people throwing drinks around? Or do you have in mind something like cricket or baseball?


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 09:53 PM

true people in the USA drink way too little but are guilty and constantly feel that they are always drinking too much and spend their time telling everyone around them that they are drinkng way to much whereas in fact in Europe the same is nothing.


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 10:13 PM

Drink too little...........right.................Once again the #1 Pissant proves himself the dumbest ass in this hemisphere.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: EBarnacle
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 11:15 PM

I would rather that the drink was simply handed to me rather than being thrown.


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: Tangledwood
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 03:59 AM

I have often gotten the feeling that people in other countries drink more than those in the US. Is that true?

Having tasted US beer I'd say yes, it's true. :)

'scuse me, I'm just leaving.


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 04:01 AM

Shouldn't the thread title now be

"Should drunk pitchers be required for folk venues"


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 04:09 AM

I am constantly amazed by people who feel they have only had a good time if they cannot remember a single thing and have acquired either a traffic cone, a police officers' hat or a fellow drunk on the sofa who has vomited into the plant pot.

Drink should enhance an evening out, not become the reason. And if anyone is drinking 9-12 pints a week - I'm glad I'm not a GP.

Plus I think I find the term 'designated wife' rather offensive. How about you give her a treat and YOU stay sober and drive HER home once in a while... or at least have the decency to thank her for driving you to drink.

LTS


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: melodeonboy
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 07:42 AM

"9-12 pints a week" - I wish! That would be within government guidelines! I think I drink a tad more than that!


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: Flashmeister
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 10:03 AM

I use a battered old tankard at my local session - it can withstand any amount of recklessly swung headstocks, flying bows and flailing squeezebox arms and has the dents to prove it!!


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 12:22 PM

Designated wife works just fine. I go for the beer she goes for the sweets. And it is always her option.

One time however in her capacity as designated wife she ran into parked car next to our truck and took out three quarter panels of that vehicle and totaled truck bed side. SOBER-Alcohol free. Must have been the sugar!


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 12:28 PM

I am constantly amazed by people who feel they have only had a good time if they cannot remember a single thing and have acquired either a traffic cone, a police officers' hat or a fellow drunk on the sofa who has vomited into the plant pot.
___________________

Is just the sort of PC attitude that is ruining social occasions in USA
everyone else wants to judge your personal relationship with alcohol. It is common knowledge that every person, despite laws enacted by the PC natzis, for legal definitions, has a different alcohol tolerance metabolically. Additionally significant experience goes into proper drinking you know. On the job in Germany we consumed far more beer than the average american would do in a week though absolutely no sugur syrup drinks. Drinking does not effect everyon's ability to enjoy social settings and music. Just doesnt work that way. Just because one beer will put you out do not impose limits on others.

When you look at alcohol consumption in 16th - 19th centuries as I am doing academically right now. You will find that the american pc sense of moderation and abstenance is historically unique except in puritan and other societies for which abstinence was a religious belief.


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: EBarnacle
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 12:37 PM

A large part of that consumption was due to the fact that the available water was either unpalatable or actively dangerous to drink. Even today, we have chronic problems with chemical or bacteriological infiltration of source water in supposedly civilized water.

A large portion of the world does not have unpolluted water to drink and cook with. It's just less acceptable to walk around stoned all of the time.


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 01:35 PM

I don't see where you get the idea that folks living in what became the US from the 16th to 19th centuries drank any less than anybody else. The first 3/4ths of the 19th Century in the US was time of day-long imbibing for most of the citizens. It was only after the Temperance Movement got rolling that it slowed down -- and then not by very much.


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: eddie1
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 01:56 PM

The question of drinkers being limited to one pitcher reminds me of one of my father's stories from his naval days.
He was home on leave and went to a local pub which had a 1-pint ration due to shortage of supplies. Everyone was nursing their beer to make it last as long as possible. He went to the bar and asked for a pint but the barmaid said all the glasses were being used. Undeterred, he went to the next pub down the street and just inside the door was a table with two empty pint glasses. He grabbed one, took it to the bar and asked for a pint. The barmaid. perhaps related to the previous one, said, "Sorry, you're only allowed one pint and you've had yours!"

Eddie


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: MikeL2
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 02:28 PM

From: melodeonboy - PM
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 07:42 AM

< "9-12 pints a week" - I wish! That would be within government guidelines! I think I drink a tad more than that! ">

Hi

This reminds me of a "true" story.

A UK National newspaper published a story about alcohol and health. in this they said that GP's stated that when they asked patients how much they drank they doubled the figure because they believed that most patients presented them with lower figures than they actually drank.

This made some people think that maybe the actual alcohol figures are too high because of this.

So one guy who said that he had not inflated his intake when asked by the doctor was concerned that he could be viewed as a heavy drinker when in fact he wasn't. He asked the doctor how should he answer and the doctor said "just be honest".

So when the doctor asked him how much he drank he replied " Not as much as you".

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: GUEST,mayomick
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 02:39 PM

It's not just the Americans . I don't like to generalise , but I've found that Italians don't take the same tolerant attitude to alcohol consumption as the English Irish , Scots and Welsh do . The same to a lesser a degree applies to the French .They've got too much style is the explanation I've heard . It's got nothing to do with puritanism judging by Italian attitudes in other regards.

I'm not so sure about what they are like at home ,but from what I've seen of them ,Italians do not like to be seen drunk in public .Drunk women are particularly frowned on.


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 03:26 PM

No- alcohol consumption in the 16th to 17 century was social-groups of men warming themselves with alcohol not replacement for water. Sufficiently high levels of alcohol but not out of control drunkenness (fine line between) was thought to encourage thinking, creativity and remove the burdens of the world.

Conrad


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk ven
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 09:31 PM

ue people in the USA drink way too little but are guilty and constantly feel that they are always drinking too much and spend their time telling everyone around them that they are drinkng way to much whereas in fact in Europe the same is nothing." Peasant

Question (seriously): Why do people - why do you drink? I like the glow that comes with the second or third glass of wine but I can't fathom the need or at least the desire to see how much or how fast I can drink.

Liz the Squeak::
"I am constantly amazed by people who feel they have only had a good time if they cannot remember a single thing and have acquired either a traffic cone, a police officers' hat or a fellow drunk on the sofa who has vomited into the plant pot."

I used to say about my ex husband, Liz, that he didn't think he'd had a good time the night before unless he couldn't remember it. I exaggerated but by not too much.


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 09:40 PM

Drink was everywhere in early America. "Liquor at that time," recalled the Massachusetts carpenter Elbridge Boyden, "was used as commonly as the food we ate." Americans drank in enormous quantities. Their yearly consumption at the time of the Revolution has been estimated at the equivalent of three-and-a-half gallons of pure, two-hundred proof alcohol for each person. After 1790 American men began to drink even more. By the late 1820s imbibing had risen to an all-time high of almost four gallons per capita. (From ushistory.org)

Remember, that's gallons of pure alcohol, in its undiluted form. And it wasn't limited just to the men -- women and children were also involved.


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 10:12 PM

There is no need to drink fast but there is no reason to get excited about how fast a person is drinking. When there is a thirst on you you simply drink a bit faster.

Probably a conditioning of the throat. Education you see.

There is also a distinct difference between getting too little, enough, and way too much.

All indivdually determined not to be imposed from outside.

Conrad


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: melodeonboy
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 05:54 AM

"The pint was normally 16floz in the 18th century. The Imperial (20floz) pint became the British standard in the early 19th century. Was this to make it closer to the half litre?"

I don't think it is, Dave. The American pint is 0.473 cl; the Imperial pint is 0.568 cl. I wouldn't think that either pint measure was influenced by the litre.


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 05:57 AM

And in British pubs the pint is very often slightly less than a half litre! If you pour carefully, a 500cl bottle of beer just fits into a standard pint glass.


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Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 08:07 AM

If you look at the effect of one pint upon the average body it is minimal. If you stop at just one or two you might as well be consuming an alcohol free product or water which would be much less expensive or for that matter some of the very tasty alcohol free beers.

Conrad


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