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What is your folkie meat pie recipe?

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Subject: Folklore: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 08:13 AM

I am always looking for good english style paste crust meat pies.

Not the shite meat pies filled with gravy served in the USA but substantial crust ones that can be held in the hand. I actually call the ones I make hand warmer meat pies. I use 50 50 mixture of pork and beef, little onion, black pepper, sage, thyme and just enough ice water to make a slight juice. I food process the meat just short of total emusification.

Perhaps someone out there has a favorite set of ingredients. This sort of pie is very very hard to find if actually impossible to find here in the USA.

I developed a taste for them while at the Grapes Vaults in Newcastle England in the 70s. A little chutney and you'r on your way!

Put those recipes here. Maybe we can get a revival going!

Conrad


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Subject: RE: Folklore: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: GUEST,buspassed
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 08:35 AM

Must say the rough pie shown on the current Lurpak UK tv advert gets me licking my lips.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 08:39 AM

Folkies are usually too tough and/or too fatty to make good meat pies.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Snuffy
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 08:39 AM

Can't help you, I'm afraid. I don't eat folkies, and certainly not in pies.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 08:50 AM

Funnily enough, living in Newcastle in the 70s put me off English pies.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 09:08 AM

Used to be outstanding ones at the grapes vaults pub downtown. Next to the main door guys would sell shoes and shoe laces etc....nice and crusty juicy meat ball but not gravy inside. Chutney was good. Now the meat pies and pastys from the bakery by the bridge in Durham were no where near that quality actually something else entirely. Then there is the meatless meat pie tradition.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 09:39 AM

In England there are different sorts of meat pies. If you like a no-gravy, solid-inside jobbie, preferably cold, you want a decent hand-made pork pie. You also probably want a seasoned pork-pie maker to make it. Preferably from somewhere near Melton Mowbray (though good pie makers are spread further afield than the folks of Melton Mowbray would have you believe and most supermarket Melton Mowbrays are a bit bobbins).

The Australians have made an entire culture out of pies. The oddest one I had was a classic round meat 'n' gravy jobbie with grilled cheese and bacon bits on the top. It was called a "Ned Kelly"...

The best festival pies are probably by Pie Minister. Their "Matador" -beef and chorizo in a red wine gravy - is the business.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 09:39 AM

Me above


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Subject: RE: Folklore: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: mayomick
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 09:54 AM

Saucy devil , here goes *#1 PEASANT* again inventing ways of staying above the BS line . Traditional folkie meat pie , I ask you ! Here's my recipe and I don't think Peasant will need any sauce to go with it .Take two pounds of good quality boiled beef and carrots - bought from a traditional butcher's shop of course . Add parsley sage rosemary and thyme . Enjoy with a full pitcher of beer .


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 12:46 PM

yes the pie spectrum. I prefer the hot ones I have never found a pork pie that should not come with a microscope or a rabbi to detect the meat.


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 12:53 PM

Then you have never had a decent Melton Mowbray pork pie.

Spleen Cringe, the chief differentiating factor with a Melton Mowbray pie, apart from being hand-raised, is that the pork is not cured. So it's quite a different flavour to the typical supermarket pork pie, which is made with something like gammon.


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 12:56 PM

"If you like a no-gravy, solid-inside jobbie, preferably cold, you want a decent hand-made pork pie."

Not forgetting game pie too? Or ham & veal, turkey & cranberry etc.
I think what #1 is looking for is a raised 'picnic' style pie, made with hot water crust pastry.

I've only made veggie raised pies, so can't help!
But here's a chicken picnic pie from aunty Delia:

http://www.deliaonline.com/recipes/type-of-dish/picnic-food/pie/chicken-and-herb-picnic-pie.html


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Charmion
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 01:33 PM

I vote for the Cornish pasty, also known as the "oggie". My aunt's recipe produces a triangular jobbie with meat in one side and veg -- usually carrot and potato -- in the other. The pastry is the thick hot-water kind with lard.


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: EBarnacle
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 01:59 PM

Then, there's the Latin-American empenada. Similar ingredients but crust coated with annato. Or the Caribbean variant, heavy on the pepper in the crust. Or the Indian variant, where the whole meal is in the crust--it's usually a good idea to have a plate under that one.


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: EBarnacle
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 02:00 PM

And of course the meat filled knish. Be still, my heart, you're being clogged with cholesterol.


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 02:47 PM

There's nothing like a good Cornish pasty (and most of what you get in the shop's is nothing like a good Cornish pasty).

And there's nothing like a good Forfar bridie - haven't seen one for years.

I get most of my pies either from Farmers' Markets or imported from Scotland, even if I keep having to tell them that a real "Scotch" pie should be made with mutton.


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: MikeL2
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 03:11 PM

Hi

recently my son was in Cornwall and brought us home some "traditional" pasties. I don't know if they were but they were rubbish....nearly all thick unedible pastry.

As for Scotttish pies, there are several kinds and I liked most of them. BUT I didn't like the way they dropped them in the chip fat to heat them up like they did in the chippies.

I live now in Cheshire and there are a number of good butchers around who make great pies. Don't 'arf put on weight though finding the ones you like best....lol

Cheers

MikeL


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 03:23 PM

Three or so meat processors here in Alberta make those thick-walled porky English things. Ugh!

Nothing like a good hot beef and kidney with the crust on top.


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 03:32 PM

Take three dachshunds...


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: mayomick
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 03:34 PM

Toad in the hole used to be lovely in a pub I'm not sure if that would be a pie as such I haven't had one since leving England ,do they still make them? By the way, if you ever get a pie served up in a pub and you think it's underweight -and it can happen- there's a place you can get it checked out for weight. .Somewhere over the rainbow.


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Ed T
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 03:39 PM

I believe I've posted this before...but, it is an eastern Canada (Acadian, those of early French Canadian descent ) favourite.

Arcadian Meat Pie

Filling
One 5 lb. chicken
3 lb. pork
1 medium onion, chopped finely
1 tbs. coriander seeds (optional)
1 tbs. summer savory
salt and pepper to taste

Cook chicken and pork (I boil) , remove bones and cut into cubes. Mix all together; add chopped onion, spices, salt and pepper. Divide into four.

Crust:
6 cups flour
4 tsp. baking powder
1 1/2 tsp. salt
3/4 lb.shortning or alternative (I use Vegan, trans-fat free butter flavor sticks)
2 cups milk (approximately - enough to make dough soft)

Roll out and make four 9-inch pie shells (double). Line pie plates; ( I moisten crust with reserved chicken broth) add meat mixture; add top crust and bake at 350 F degrees until golden brown. Makes four 9" pies.

Pie can be served cold, or reheated in the oven (I like the crust crisp). Some folks eat as is or with cranberry jam or sauce ( or, Molasses sprinkled on top).


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 03:40 PM

Just make sure there isn't a barbershop in the second floor above the bakery!

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 03:54 PM

Ed T, thanks for the recipe, repeat or not.

We do something "similar," but brown the meat. A little chopped garlic, thyme in addition to coriander.
Everyone has their own crust recipe, so I won't put my wife's.


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 05:17 PM

Uncle Dave-

I was thinking pretty much the same thing: one should only get the meat from Sweeney Todd the Barber.

Big meat pies, of such a size, and chock full of meat!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Bert
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 06:25 PM

Here is a pastry recipe


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 06:33 PM

Ruth, you're right of course about the difference between Melton Mowbray and others, but have you tried some of the supermarket pies claiming to be Melton Mowbray? Not fit to carry the name, I swear...

Meanwhile the pork pies carried by my local butcher are to die for... will try to remember who the maker is and post it.


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Micca
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 06:54 PM

Re Melton Mowbray Pork Pies, I discovered to my cost that in REAL MM Porkies The meat is SUPPOSED to be moistened with Anchovy juice ( I was given to understand THIS was the principlal distinguishing feature of MMs) Luckily for me most pork pies (even if they say so on the label) ARE NOT, Luckily you ask? I am ALLERGIC to Fish and can go into anaphylactic shock from a small amount, on the ocassion on which I made this discovery, when I got a genuine MM, I came up in lumps like a poisoned Pup!!!and was hospitalised


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 09:19 PM

Tourtiere, beyond doubt.


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: olddude
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 09:29 PM

What is a meat pie, I guess I have lived a secluded life ... no kidding I have had a chicken pot pie is that what we are talking about?


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 09:29 PM

I wouldn't object to a well-made tortiere, and a bottle of red wine to go with it.


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 10:28 PM

I've had venison tortiere as well as the "regular" -- fabulous. Them Quebecois sure know how to cook some good!


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: EBarnacle
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 11:11 PM

And of course, there are also wonton skins which can be filled with any meat and vegetable mix you choose and made into wontons, purses or kreplach, depending on what you wish to call them, fried, boiled or heated in soup.


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 02:47 AM

Oldddude, just for you: the king of pies


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 03:21 AM

Micca, that's interesting. As I've lived in and around Pork Pie Country for the past 15 years, I've occasionally seen them being made at country shows and food festivals. They usually focus mostly on the hand-raising aspect - they have these big wooden dollies that are used especially for shaping the pastry for the filling, and they show you how to make the pastry. I've never done the pork pie workshop that Dickinson and Morris (the granddaddy of pork pie makers) do, so I've never seen the whole recipe. I didn't know about the anchovy essence.

Spleen Cringe, Dickinson and Morris also supply some supermarkets. They're very good - not as good as buying them fresh from the shop, but then again, maybe that's something of a placebo effect...

(D&M also make the gorgeous Melton Hunt Cake, but that's probably a topic for another thread)


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: theleveller
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 03:26 AM

What the f**k is a "folkie" meat pie?


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 03:26 AM

After a bit of googling, it looks like Dickinson and Morris don't use anchovy essence in their pies - they are mostly spiced with salt and white pepper. Good news, Micca!


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 03:39 AM

"What the f**k is a "folkie" meat pie?"

Well I wasn't sure either Leveller, but after some research I think it's actually properly spelled "Ye Olde Folkie Meate Pye" and has a mixture of blackbirds, hedgehogs and swans in it.

Hope that helps?


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: theleveller
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 03:59 AM

Thanks CS. I think I could manage pigeons, rabbits and perhaps a bit of road-kill hedgehog. On the other hand, I'd probably be better sticking to eating 'umble pie. (Umbles, of course, being giblets.)


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Micca
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 07:14 AM

A Friend once (for a Significant Birthday of mine) Made Game pie from a Mrs Beeton/Hannah Gles(sp?) recipe that had that pastry, None of that Poncy short crust stuff but that stuff that is not edible (like roofing tiles, same taste, texture and durability) but the filling However was Venison, Hare, pigeon, Phesant, all cooked in a good Red Burgundy!!! it was amazing and easily the BEST pie I had ever tasted, Washed down with copious amounts of the same burgundy


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: MikeL2
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 10:32 AM

hi micca

Did you drink all the Burgundy before you tasted the pie ??? lol

regards

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: theleveller
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 10:49 AM

I can think of some folkies I'd like to turn into pies. In fact, a little peasant pasty would go down a treat with a nice bottle of beer :)


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 10:58 AM

"First, catch your folkie."

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: EBarnacle
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 04:04 PM

Actually, first you steal a folkie.


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 04:06 PM

Folkies are traditionally poached. Preferably in real ale.


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 04:26 PM

I thought folkies were usually pickled.


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: open mike
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 08:25 PM

sounds lkike a
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirozhki
or a
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierogi

a restaurant in nebraska makes Runza stuffed sandwiches
http://www.runza.com/menu


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 09:29 PM

Pie, pie, oh me oh my!
Nothing tastes better
Hot, cold or dry.
Oh, sigh,
I've burned my
Pie warmer dry

Meat pie is a devil,
For it I would die
Filled full of filling
A crust from the sky
Don't ask me why
I just fucking love pie.

I said to my wife,
"oh, cutie pie,
go to the kitchen,and bake me a pie"
Now that she left me, I don't wonder why
I'm drowning my sorrows
In frozen pot pie

I would die for pie.
If it got in my eye,
I would cry and cry,
but would still love pie
'Cause, there is an "I" in pie.

Bye, Bye, American Pie,
Nothing tastes better
On the fourth of July
Drowning state sorrows
In sweet humble pie

Way over yonder
There's an apple pie
I am going to eat ,
the fxck out of nye
Bye


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 11:12 PM

Frozen pot pies are all that people seem to have here in USA
We have a pie specialist in Baltimore mainly sweet pies but some savory too so must try....he is in the high rent district. One of his probably costs as much as 20 of my home made ones.


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 11:15 PM

Here is the link to our baltimore pie man
Dangerously delicious- I think he has a shop on H. St. in Washington DC NE I think.

Baltimore Pie Place Dangerously Delicious

baltimore location is near cross street market and was the first one.

Conrad


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Subject: RE: What is your folkie meat pie recipe?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 02:49 AM

????? ??

Is this a real thread, Conrad?


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