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GUEST,Nervous Nellie 03 Mar 10 - 02:54 PM
Rapparee 03 Mar 10 - 02:58 PM
GUEST,Nervous Nellie 03 Mar 10 - 03:16 PM
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GUEST,Nervous Nellie 03 Mar 10 - 04:32 PM
Lox 03 Mar 10 - 04:33 PM
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Bert 03 Mar 10 - 04:51 PM
GUEST,Nervous Nellie 03 Mar 10 - 05:36 PM
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PoppaGator 03 Mar 10 - 05:56 PM
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GUEST,Nervous Nellie 03 Mar 10 - 06:01 PM
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Subject: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: GUEST,Nervous Nellie
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 02:54 PM

About five days ago, I started getting panic attacks about once ever one to two hours, day and night. I was in an accident about 20 years ago, and was like this for a few months after, which tapered off into mild anxiety and shakes from stress, which I've adjusted to over the years.

Now, they are back, full blown, with all the bells and whistles, and I don't know what to do.

I'm at home, caring for two active youngsters, and we've moved far away from the community, and the caregivers, who went through this with me the first time, and I haven't a clue as to how to find a doctor/therapist who can help me through this.

I've made some calls to medical professionals that we've used in the past, and they've backed away fast. "I can't give you a referral, but if you look on the internet, I'm sure you'll find someone" was a typical response.

I finally found someone who'd see me in May, but I've got to get a handle on this sooner, not later.

Any ideas about how to find someone who can work me through this?

And yes, it seems to be stress triggered--we've had series of crises in the extended family that are still in progress, with no sign of letting up. My spouse's response is, "Just take care of yourself", which is not my idea of help--


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 02:58 PM

Sounds like PTSD to me. Check the mental health services in your area. The public health department shouold be able to give you some tips. (No, you're not nuts and yes, it is all too real. Kick your spouse in the butt.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: GUEST,Nervous Nellie
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 03:16 PM

This isn't a problem public health deals with very well. As to the PTSD, my central nervous system is damaged, so when the the adrenalin starts pumping, it shorts out, and to make matters worse, the thing that regulates the adrenalin(among other things) keeps shooting it out. Call it what you like.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 03:27 PM

Start with your GP (family doctor).


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 03:28 PM

It can be very related to sugar metabolism..which under stress is totally screwed up anyway.

Treat yourself for hypoglycemia. Don't be afraid of protein or fat..fat is what will stabilize things. A nice cheeseburger if you are not vegetarian..if you are it will be more difficult..macademia nuts are good though. Keep eating every few hours. never eat carbs, like fruit, alone. No starchy snacks like chips or cookies. If you are hungry or if it has been a few hours since you ate..no more than 3 or 4...have a mini-meal with protein, fat, whole grains if you are not carb sensitive and green vegetables..a nice salad with lots of meat and cheese would be good. Caffeine will probably make it worse.

What happens is that your body senses that your blood sugar is dropping and it dumps adrenaline into the system. If you are under stess already, and especially since your adrenaline system is not OK, it becomes very hard to manage. Chamomile tea, cheeseburgers, lots of salads..bacon mid-morning stabilizes me better than anything else. Some people need red meat. On Fridays when I try not to eat meat, I am in bad metabolic shape..eggs, fish etc. does not do it for me...

Good luck..this is as much biological as psychological..treat one the other will get better..look at ways to lessen cortisol..walking barefoot in grass is supposed to reduce it by 50%..other stuff on internet. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 03:40 PM

Where are you located, Nellie? Maybe someone here can recommend a doctor or therapist in your area.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 03:56 PM

There are drugs to counter such things...(various tranquilizers)...but those often make you sleepy or disoriented, and with kids to supervise, that would be a problem.
I would think that help with the kids might be one step, but that might not be an easy option. Is spouse working? Is it 'any' easier in the evening?

Someone with power to do something needs to know that May is too far off.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Alice
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 04:19 PM

Nellie, send me a PM (personal message) if you would like to.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 04:19 PM

Let me repeat what Sinsull said....Start with your GP and go from there. Be sure they are aware of how serious you feel this to be.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: GUEST,Nervous Nellie
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 04:32 PM

No question that bad diet makes it worse, and so I've learned to be very careful about food over the years. MSG is a particular danger(though mg is great;-)) Caffeine actually helps, though super market brands often have preservatives and msg, so I am very wary.

Tea is a great help, and vegetarian broth from a natural food store, but no supermarket brands, because of the chemicals.

Our Dr. retired recently, and we never clicked with any of the referrals--

My best therapy was cuddling our old cat--but she died over Christmas.
Spouse is stressed from work and family issues (where are on different pages), and travels a lot.

Drugs, which I have done in the past, just make the doctor feel better. You're right about "someone with power", though, and I'll make a call.

Meanwhile, I heard someone say "New Jersey" on NPR, and I've been doing cleansing breaths ever since. So it's not merely physical...


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Lox
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 04:33 PM

Would you mind describing what happens duriing the course of a panic attack?

How does it all begin and how does it develop etc

Thanks.

I am not attempting any kind of online diagnosis, I am curious to learn from your experiences and compare them to my own.

Hopefully describing it will also be a helpful process for you.

All the best!


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Emma B
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 04:35 PM

But - go to your doctor - please


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 04:40 PM

You have two children. Call their pediatrician, explain the seriousness of your situation and ask for an emergency referral. Anecdotal information from Mudcatters does not address your specific problem. See a doctor ASAP.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 04:46 PM

If not that, go to the Emergency Room. They are equipped to handle such cases and find local help you need.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Bert
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 04:51 PM

As well as what everyone else has said.

Try, walking, cycling, singing and/or Dancing. Get out in the Sunshine as much as you can.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: GUEST,Nervous Nellie
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 05:36 PM

Oops!

OK, folks, get a grip--Panic Attacks are not life threatening--no need for an ER visit, in fact, it is a very bad idea.

Health care professionals are scared to death of people who are exhibiting panic/anxiety symptoms, and tend to use extreme measures. Law enforcement sometimes get involved, and someone who could be calmed down with a few gentle words, a cup of tea, and a comfy chair in a quiet corner is confronted and starts waving their arms and screaming. And then it's time for deadly force. If you think I'm kidding, check the paper sometime.

I've been through this before, they are self-limiting--they pass over in 10-30 minutes, and you're on your way, somewhat the worse for wear.

My original question was, "anyone have any ideas on how to find someone to help me work through this?", and I'll add, someone compentent and sane, and who takes health insurance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Janie
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 05:37 PM

Nellie,

I'm a psychotherapist and with information about your location, may be able to help you find appropriate services and treatment through my networks.

Send a pm if you want me to see if I can be of help with this.

Janie


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Emma B
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 05:43 PM

'Health care professionals are scared to death of people who are exhibiting panic/anxiety symptoms'

Well that's not the experience I've seen in the UK where a referral to a caring Psychologist who could offer a range of treatment including relaxation therapy etc is the likely outcome.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: PoppaGator
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 05:56 PM

"Meanwhile, I heard someone say "New Jersey" on NPR, and I've been doing cleansing breaths ever since. So it's not merely physical... "

Not to trivialize or pry, but I'm just very curious about your reaction. Did your accident of 20 years ago occur in NJ? (That's where I was born and raised, but no longer reside.)

I sympathize with your apprehension about the emergency room. The folks working there SHOULD react appropriately to your predicament, but people do not always behave as they should, and if they were to overreact, things could become very uncomfortable ~ and counterproductive ~ for you.

I hope you've already PM'ed Janie; she ought to be able to put you in touch with a fellow professional.

Also, I'm very glad for you that you have health insurance coverage. Many of us don't, especially those who've already shown evidence of "pre-existing" emotional/psychological troubles.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Maryrrf
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 06:00 PM

You mentioned that cuddling the cat had helped. Animals are wonderful stress busters. Is there any possibility of getting another cat, or dog?


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: GUEST,Nervous Nellie
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 06:01 PM

A psychologist might help, but I am more concerned in task oriented stuff. By that I mean, learning to work around the symptoms while doing chores and errands and such things. The fact is, I am one of the walking wounded, and I have responsibilities, regardless of anything that is going on inside.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Sorcha
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 06:05 PM

Valium. Ativan. Shrink.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Emma B
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 06:06 PM

Well Nellie you haven't described what form your panic attacks take but when one of the 'walking wounded' collapses into a foetal position for an indertirminate period of time ' learning to work around the symptoms while doing chores and errands and such things' is not really an option.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: GUEST,Nervous Nellie
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 06:09 PM

There will be another cat, but not today. As for New Jersey, I was very surprised by that. None of the current stresses have anything to do with it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 06:41 PM

I have a history of experiencing the exact same thing, including the cycle you get in where the adrenalin thingie gets stuck in high gear. If you can't get good support from a good mental health professional, I recommend acupuncture. (Actually, I recommend both, if you can get them.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 06:46 PM

I just went through this starting back in October, for the first, and I hope, last time in my life. There was NO working around the symptoms and it was diagnosed as being a result of PTSD. It took a caring and sharp-eyed physician to show that the panic/anxiety were related to depression. We treated it with meds, then I got started with a psychologist. I still take xanax at night and will be done with the zoloft in another two weeks. In the meantime, I am going to biofeedback sessions at his office, which focus on optimum rate of breathing per minute for my system to keep the sympathetic nervous system quiet and happy and I continue to see him, too.

Insurance is GOOD, but keep in mind that until July, insurance companies can get away with only paying half of mental health bills. In July, a new bill which was passed will require them to pay mental health the same as they do any other ailment, so it should just be deductible and copay.

Also, you may need to try different therapists. The first one I went to was really nice, sympathetic, encouraging but lacked concrete suggestions "homework" if you will which would show me a way out. The second one is very much into treating the whole person AND definitely gives stuff to do at home. He also prefers not to use meds if possible.

Good luck and if you want to PM me feel free.

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Jack Campin
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 07:25 PM

A friend of mine is a doctor who often acts as a medical escort (accompanying seriously ill people being flown home after falling ill abroad). He sees a LOT of panic attacks and always carries a special piece of equipment for dealing with them.

It's a brown paper bag. He gets the patient to clamop it over their face and breathe in and out of it. This raises the CO2 level in the bloodstream and usually stops the attack in a couple of minutes.

I had a cluster of panic attacks many years ago (probably induced by medication). Wish I'd known about that trick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 07:50 PM

HEll, Nellie, half the folks in Manhattan have that reaction to those words.

I cannot help with referrals; my instincts are to try the brown paper bag, and self-locational exercises like touching things or pushing against something heavy like a wall, to keep you anchored in the present while the period of reaction passes. I wish you the very best of luck finding someone in your area.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 07:58 PM

The brown paper bag works. A friend of mine used it when she was going through similar attacks. She also did 'birth breathing' too, focussed on the breathing, not on the panic, and it slowed her right down, taught her that SHE had the control button, NOT the attacks.

Here, Nellie, lock yourself away from the little 'uns for a few minutes if you can, put your headphones on and listen to this..

To soothe....


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: olddude
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 08:19 PM

One of my kids has it , a very bad case. There is great meds for it and it doesn't wack you or change your mood or thinking, it just makes them go away ... awesome meds. Start with your family doc. These are very common in many folks and is just a chemical issue ... easily fixed ok .. trust me been through it with my daughter since she was 11 and she is 33 now


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: GUEST,Nervous Nellie
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 08:34 PM

Keep posting! I appreciate every word. In spite of what I might say, I am thinking about everything. I am just about ten steps ahead of myself. Racing thoughts are part of this, so I'm not saying all that I'm thinking.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Emma B
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 08:36 PM

Some of the more severe panic attacks are the direct result of Post Traumatic Stress

Anyone can have an experience that is overwhelming, frightening, and beyond our control.
We could find ourselves in a car crash, the victim of a violent assault etc

Most people, in time, get over experiences like this without needing help. For some people though, the severity of the traumatic experience can set off a reaction that can last for many months or years.

Quite apparently ordinary things can trigger off flashbacks.
For instance, if you had a car crash in the rain, a rainy day might start a flashback.

The more disturbing the experience, the more likely you are to develop PTSD

Just as there are both physical and psychological aspects to PTSD, so there are both physical and psychological treatments for it.

Don't rule out medication...
antidepressant tablets will reduce the strength of PTSD symptoms

Cognitive Behavioural Therapy
may involve some relaxation work to help you tolerate the discomfort of thinking about the traumatic events

Body-focussed Therapies
can include complementary therapies such as massage, acupuncture, reflexology, yoga, meditation and tai chi.
They all help you to develop ways of relaxing and managing stress

but remember 'complementary therapies' are complementary


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Alice
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 08:36 PM

Nellie, PM to me. - Alice


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 08:40 PM

Yo, nervous...

Back a long time ago I suffered from panic attacks... It got so bad that I could not leave the house... So, two things I will tell you may be helpful:

1. The most important thing for you to understand is this: it will pass!!! Yes, I know you can't believe that but it's true...

2. The medical model ain't all it's cracked up to be... Good physical exercise (daily) can be better than the pills... Was for me...

Hang in there, exercise and trust that it will pass...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: open mike
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 09:38 PM

The bag technique was what I was going to recommend, as well.
You can also visualize a candle, you can use your finger to
represent it, and blow gently towards it, not to blow out the
flame, or the imaginary flame, but to direct a stream of air
towards it for as long as possible. this controlled breathing
can help focus your attention away from the panic feelings.

I have friends and family members and other fire survivors
who have had great results with this: Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT)(tapping)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i33V2EcVlY

http://www.thrivingnow.com/for/Health/eft-tapping-points/

http://www.emofree.com/

http://www.tapintoeft.com/

http://www.tapping.com/

I have also experienced positive results with Rapid Eye Movement
therapy. This is often used for post-traumatic Stress Disorder.

http://www.psychotherapy-center.com/emdr.html

http://www.healthcentral.com/anxiety/c/1950/70915/eye-desensitization

also you might simply go outside and close your eyes, visualize your "happy place" or peaceful place, a waterfall, some natural place, and when you open your eyes find something that reminds you of this place in your everyday view. then remember the peaceful feeling when you see it.

good luck, and thanks for sharing this with the mudcats.
know that we are hoping the best for you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 01:25 AM

I want all of you to get ready at your keyboards and commence posting about what a cold and heartless piece of shit of a non human being Spaw is for ever having such terrible thoughts let alone posting them in the face of such a plea for help from someone in trouble. How can I be so cruel, etc., ad infinitum............But, uh...........Well, I also get the feeling, and its one I have a great deal of confidence in, that I am not alone in my thinking regarding what I am about to say. So drag me over the coals and through the gates of hell.........Thanks for listening though. My apologies for being the scumbag bastard that I am.

I'll likely post later......or not.


Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 02:19 AM

Hey Spaw - sometimes the verbal 'slap in the face' is what is required!

I can only recommend what worked for me. Everyone is different, everyone will have a different symptom, a different attitude, a different way of dealing. You pays your money and takes your choice.

Breathing excercises - I'm a singer so I found singing a particularly difficult phrase under my breath gave me some sort of control over it. If I made it all through the phrase (mine was 'I know that my redeemer liveth' from Handel's 'Messiah' but anything will do) without running out of breath, I was taking control back.

Hypnotherapy - back to picturing the 'happy place' as noted above, but it has a calming and for me, soporific effect because that is how my hypnotherapist "programmed" it. It has reduced my night time panics and enabled me to get more and better sleep, for which I am eternally grateful.

If you start to get chest pain that doesn't ease after 5-10 minutes, or starts to spread down your left arm or across your neck and head, then get to an ER ASAP!! Panic attacks may be sneered at by some doctors, but if you have an underlying health problem, they can make it worse. Get taken to an ER often enough and sooner or later, someone actually takes notice.

Good luck, you know the 'Cat is always here should you need to rant.

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 02:25 AM

I've re-read and re-read your postings, Spaw, and I can't find a scumbag among them. But then again, you are the Evil Twin of us.*bg*


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 02:41 AM

Nellie, adopt Spaw.
Shrink him. Keep in your pocket, 24/7. If any bad feelings start, take him out and let him talk to you, in his own special way, and soon, you'll be gasping for breath because of laughter, not panic. ;0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 02:48 AM

hhmmmm adrenaline... do you happen to have dull ache at about where your kidneys lie before or after attacks? if so, get a check for adrenal dysfunction.

best line of defence is to recognise what it is, and start doing relaxation things to combat before it becomes full blown.

remember much as you want to fix things for others, you are not responsible for anyone but yourself and your little ones. for their sake if not your own, distance yourself from the source of agitation.

i have been where you are, extended family falling apart, i had moved away from support networks with my small children. quite often i was frantic. learned i had to calm myself for my kids. usually distracted myself, by settling into play with them. on the floor with their toys or books or dress up clothes.

keep coming on to this thread and reporting if it helps. take comfort from those here keeping you in good thoughts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Bert
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 02:52 AM

That's a good one Lizzie. Nellie could click on catspaw49 at the beginning of his post and read EVERYTHING that he has ever posted.

By the time ya get halfway through the attack should be long gone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 02:53 AM

Actually Lizzie, in this case I kinda' doubt it.

Basically folks, I think we're being had. Nellie may well be a bored member or one of our regular trolls with a wind-up that this place will always bite on......."Need help!" Like the Mom with Munchausen by Proxy who gives some illness to her child to garner attention, This person has created Nellie with her mental illness (which we will almost always bite on) to garner attention for themselves. Karen had the perfect phrase for it.......Munchausen by Internet


Why come to a site like this if you're really in that much trouble? Like I said, call me a bastard but there ya' go!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 02:56 AM

btw.....I of course could be wrong as I said above, but I just kinda' had to throw this out there..........

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 03:01 AM

I think most of us are aware of that possibility. But I remember the time a real person with a real need started a thread like this one, and was attacked as being a troll. It's no skin off my nose if a troll starts a thread like this one and I respond to it. But if someone really needs help and they get treated badly because people need to beat up on those they think could possibly be a troll, that is just sad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 05:57 AM

Nobody doin' that here Carol 'cept me to me......like I said, it was just a comment.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 06:13 AM

Well, Spaw, I have to agree with you, I have my doubts too.

I acutally typed one of the usual long diatribes, because someone very close to me suffered from these a while back, but then I read some of Nellie's posts again, particlarly the one where she told folks to calm down as it wasn't life-threatening, then got kinda shirty with folks for not answering the question she actually asked.

So I wrote the very simplified version.

I'm glad a few people may have learnt about the brown paper bag bit though, as that really does work.

I know, with my friend, that she felt it was actually life-threatening and would have been in no way able to be light-hearted on a messageboard, during the times she was suffering from these attacks, because she felt as if her whole world was crumbling around her.

Still, at least I managed to find that Deva Premal chant, which I've been meaning to do for ages.

If Nellie is for real, then I wish her every success in finding a way through it all.

If she ain't, then trust me, it's not good to make fun of people who do actually suffer such attacks, because they are bloody scary to the person suffering from them.

The New Jersey comment was weird too. ????

I'm off to listen to Deva again now and hang the washing out in the sunshine....

Get well soon, Nellie, if you genuine.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: SINSULL
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 08:30 AM

I have to admit I am perplexed at the comments about medical professionals who recommend the internet for advice, " are scared to death of people who are exhibiting panic/anxiety symptoms", and involve the police. True panic attacks can be life-threatening. When I had them, my GP was concerned and worked with a therapist and psychiatrist to get to the root of the problem. I got nothing but sympathy, support and a dose of "you have to make some serious changes".
We have gone from full blown panic attacks with all the bells and whistles including the involvement of two children to OK folks, get a grip.
Nellie has received excellent advice. Let's see what she does with it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Ed T
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 09:03 AM

I cannot recommend against medical help.

But, sometimes it helps to get advice from folks, some of whom who may have have had similar experiences to yours....and found things that works for them that you may wish to consider. I suggest doing some internet research.

Also, medical professionals are not there to help 24 hours/7 days a week. Support groups and individuals could be there for you in those other times.

Attached are some online support groups that may be related I found on Google. Try a search...you may come up wuitnh one that is useful.   

Hope this helps in some way.

Regards

http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Panic-Attacks/support-group

http://www.support4hope.com/anxiety_disorders/anxiety_disorder_medications.htm

http://www.mdjunction.com/panic-attacks

http://www.panicsurvivor.com/

http://www.panicsurvivor.com/

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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 10:26 AM

Nellie's gone awful quiet....


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Subject: RE: BS: Need help dealing with panic attacks
From: Janie
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 10:30 AM

Hi Folks,

I can vouch that Nellie is not trolling (and I am not Nellie.)

Janie


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