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Save our music venues

GUEST,plonkers 05 Mar 10 - 10:40 AM
Leadfingers 05 Mar 10 - 08:12 PM
rich-joy 05 Mar 10 - 11:59 PM
Richard Bridge 06 Mar 10 - 04:57 AM
GUEST,The Shambles 06 Mar 10 - 05:24 AM
GUEST,The Shambles 06 Mar 10 - 05:26 AM
Tootler 06 Mar 10 - 05:27 AM
Leadfingers 06 Mar 10 - 08:37 AM
GUEST,The Shambles 06 Mar 10 - 09:07 AM
GUEST,The Shambles 07 Mar 10 - 10:59 AM
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Subject: Save our music venues
From: GUEST,plonkers
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 10:40 AM

HELP save our music venues sign this petition over 16000 have so far http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/livemusicevents/


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Subject: RE: Save our music venues
From: Leadfingers
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 08:12 PM

Clicky


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Subject: RE: Save our music venues
From: rich-joy
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 11:59 PM

Australian states are having similar problems now, too - wtf is really behind all this???????

R-J


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Subject: RE: Save our music venues
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 04:57 AM

Regrettably most music venues are a pain in the arse to the adjacent community. They are typically audible for about half a mile.

This is as true of events with a low number of persons attending as it is of large ones, and indeed it can be worse in that the smaller venues are more often in the middle of a community in which people want to be able to get their children to sleep, to listen to the wireless or watch television or listen to recorded music without a 500 watt sound sytem, or even to be able to talk without having to shout above music from the pub next door.

What is needed is not a small event exemption, but the deregulation of unamplified music (and the rigid regulation of big-screen TVs and high power jukeboxes in pubs). The pub over the road from me regularly blows up the Peavey Pro-sound speakers on his jukebox. They use Black Widow 350 watt 15 inch bass drivers. Guess how far you can hear his jukebox.


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Subject: RE: Save our music venues
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 05:24 AM

What can you do to obtain a sensible approach to additional Entertainment Licensing and environmental legislation.

http://www.livemusicforum.co.uk/lmfwhatyoucando.htm


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Subject: RE: Save our music venues
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 05:26 AM

See also this thread.

thread.cfm?threadid=126147&messages=127


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Subject: RE: Save our music venues
From: Tootler
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 05:27 AM

If you read the petition fully, what they are asking for seems pretty much what you are advocating, Richard. So what's your objection?

As to your local pub, is it not possible to contact the local council and ask them to come along with a noise meter and deal with it under environmental legislation? Maybe a small scale local petition complaining about the noise from the pub might do the trick. Anyone running 350W speakers, presumably with amps to match, turned up to 11 (regardless of make) must surely be exceeding dB limits inside at least, if not also in the immediate vicinity outside in addition to providing a noise nuisance over a wider area.

I signed the petition some time ago, btw.


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Subject: RE: Save our music venues
From: Leadfingers
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 08:37 AM

IF the existing LOCAL regulations regarding excessive noise were properly employed , this would NOT be the same problem !
And WHY are Juke boxes and Wide Screen televisions showing 'live' sport exempt , but an acoustic session is not ?


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Subject: RE: Save our music venues
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 09:07 AM

The idea that additional Entertainment Licensing has some effect on noise is one that is stuck so firmly in our brains that we overlook the obvious - as demonstrated in the following sad example.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/8157487.stm

The council's letter to the Gooseberry Pie Fair committee said the "live and amplified" music had caused some locals to complain of a "disturbance".

Organisers were also reminded they were governed by the Environment Protection Act of 1990.


As a result of noise complaints, this council are insisting that a TEN is obtained for any future fairs, but pointing out that whether this permission was in place or not - the event would still be subject to the Environmental Protection Act 1990.

So what purpose is served by the expensive red tape in the licensing Act 2003, other than to threaten the future of events of this type?


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Subject: RE: Save our music venues
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 10:59 AM

http://ow.ly/16Io34

Licensing lawyer claims residents have too much power
4 March, 2010

By Matt Eley

Camden Council cited as example of making it too easy to complain about pubs.


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