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mikesamwild 06 Mar 10 - 09:16 AM
Mick Pearce (MCP) 06 Mar 10 - 09:59 AM
Mary Humphreys 07 Mar 10 - 07:53 AM
mikesamwild 07 Mar 10 - 12:32 PM
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Subject: Tune Req: Tunes for Roy Palmer's collections
From: mikesamwild
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 09:16 AM

I've just been going through some of Roy Palmer's books which have eeb reissued in paperback by faber and faber.


I can't see anything in general about how the tunes he gives were obtained

I know a lot were song from sheets and common tunes were used but most singers and listeners are attracted first and foremost by the tune and if the words fit it's magic!

Any thoughts


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Tunes for Roy Palmer's collections
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 09:59 AM

For the broadside songs I think he used the given tune in the rare cases where a tune was specified. For the others I think he just chose tunes that he liked that fitted the song structure. He usually has an appendix giving the source for texts and tunes.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Tunes for Roy Palmer's collections
From: Mary Humphreys
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 07:53 AM

Roy Palmer spent a lot of research time in the Vaughan Williams Memorial Library looking through, in particular, Lucy Broadwood and RVW manuscripts. Many of the songs he published had the tunes in manuscript form associated with them, as collected from the singers.
Which books are you asking about?


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Tunes for Roy Palmer's collections
From: mikesamwild
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 12:32 PM

Mary
The Sound of History(1988) English Country Songbook ((1979) These are the ones in Faber facsimile in pb.

There are detailed notes on sources but no specific index on tune sources

PS
As I don't read music too well and am playing C/G Anglo Concertina at the moment I'm thinking of putting tunes of songs I like into an ABc Tune-o-Tron or a converter to a common key like C or G just to get the tune . Any suggestions for software?

lazy i know but I fnd it frustrating with 4 sharps!


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Tunes for Roy Palmer's collections
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 02:55 PM

The songs in the English Country Songbook are by and large as they were collected from singers, words and music. A few of texts have been filled out with broadside words and a few have tunes assigned to them from other sources. (The appendix lists all sources texts and tunes, but as you say, on a song by song basis - mostly from the major collectors of late 19th and 20th centuries and recordings of source singers).

It a bit more trouble to get the sources in The Sound of History as they're not gathered together in one place - you have to look at the text near the song and the notes at the end. They are a mixture of songs that were collected with tunes and others that he assigned tunes to. (There are also some modern songs included with text and tune).

The songs in A Touch on the Times and The Ballads History of England were (IIRC) mostly from broadsides and as I said above Roy Palmer assigned suitable tunes to the texts.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Tunes for Roy Palmer's collections
From: Tootler
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 05:30 PM

In "Boxing the Compass" He gives a list of sources for both words and tunes at the front of the book plus there is a full bibliography at the back.

Many of the songs in Boxing the Compass are given without tunes.


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