Good Intent Sweeps

Subject: Good Intent Sweeps
From: growler
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 04:34 PM

Hi All
It's that time of year again. I am assured by Dal that he will not be running out of ale this year. He bought in 30 barrels last year, which just lasted and I understand that he has contingency plans, should the need arrise. Slight change of plan, as my selfish son has chosen to get married on that Friday, JB will be hosting Friday night, with Ruff N Reddy hosting Friday afternoon

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 05:05 PM

This could usefully be combined with the Sweeps sinaground freds.

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 05:52 PM

I will be in B&B in Andy,s gaff has I was last year.

Can you post all the Ruff and Ready and John Barden events for the weekend Re Sat Sun and Monday. I was planning to leave on the Monday but could extend my stay in regards to above sing around. I also wish to visit over sing around events in the town so I need a plan.

"Not a plan of the town.
A plan of Gi events.
regards Pierre

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 06:00 PM

I went to Rochester the other day to secure a stay during the sweeps and on the way back by train I saw a Submarine on the Medway looking alone and fore-lone. Is it open to visitors has I may include it when I come to Sweeps?

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: Dead Horse
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 07:15 PM

Its not open to visitors mate.
There is one in the Dockyard (HMS Ocelot)that is, alongside a destroyer (HMS Cavalier) both of WW2 vintage. The one you saw from the train at Strood has been there for some time and is ex Russian navy.

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: The Barden of England
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 04:18 AM

Simon - I think you've got it wrong surely as I don't believe there's a friday afternoon session at Sweeps in the Good Intent. Don't you mean Sunday afternoon? The timetable looks like this I suspect :-

Friday 30/04/2010 from about 20:45 to close singaround/session with John Barden
Saturday 01/05/2010 from 12:30 to 14:30 (but it WILL continue, bet your boots) and 20:45 to close as above with John Barden.
Sunday 02/05/2010 from 12:30 to 14:30 singaround/session with Ruff & Reddy. 15:00 to 20:00 - floor spots and guests with Gastove. 20:45 to close singaround/ session with John Barden inclusing a few songs from festival guest Mike Nicholson.
Monday 03/05/2010 from 12:30 to falling over singaround/session with Ruff and Reddy.

John Barden

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: growler
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 03:53 PM

Sorry John, my mistake

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 06:37 PM

' What a Palaver"

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 06:40 PM

Thanks Dead Horse Re Subs.

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: melodeonboy
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 02:57 AM

No, there's no subs, Pete. The singarounds are completely free!

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 06:01 AM

"Dont you start"

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: Dead Horse
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 08:48 AM

Bang goes my chance of blagging a few quid out of T'Pierre then!
And I thought I was on a nice little earner :-(

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: growler
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 04:20 PM

I don't think that they will run out of beer this year, I've seen the order

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: growler
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 05:22 PM

refresh

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: Girl Friday
Date: 22 Mar 10 - 09:47 AM

Will drop in some time during the festival. Looks like there's more going on in the town this year like the open mic tent.

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 04:06 PM

This is running with the existing Sweeps thread. Marqee paid for, beer orderred, let it come

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 04:15 PM

rubbing hands together in delight... I can't wait!

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: Girl Friday
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 05:23 PM

Looking at the programme we are likely to be coming to the evening session - or later part of the all -day sing, whatever.

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: GUEST, RBotob
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 06:06 PM

If the BNP show will you show them the way out?

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 04:18 PM

We don't do politics, only folk and beer

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: growler
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 04:23 PM

Sorry, the above was me. I lost my cookie in the ether

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 05:36 PM

Well, sorry Simon, but that makes me think less of you.

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 05:46 PM

PS. "Should fascists be alientated"? Yes they should.

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 05:47 PM

Whoops! "alienated".

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 08:25 AM

Why think less of Simon? The wishes of the host(s) should be honoured without judgement. Remember it is Karen and Dal's place. Maybe they don't want be dragged into politics.

Nothing stopping people from attending, nothing stopping people from leaving if BNP supporters show up. There's plenty going on elsewhere.

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: The Barden of England
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 08:43 AM

It was a Troll who is trying to get a response and ruin the thread I believe. Please don't take the bait and ignore it. I know what my response is, but I will not air it here.
John Barden

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 04:03 PM

no troll on this thread John

guest RBotob = Richard Bridge on the other browser

is the troll on the other thread?

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: growler
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 04:28 PM

I repeat we do beer and folk,

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: The Barden of England
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 06:19 PM

Tam - You're wrong. That's not the Richard I know. He is an honourable person who would not do that sort of thing.
John Barden

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: GUEST,Richard Bridge elsewhere
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 06:25 PM

I will reply, John, when I am back.

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: Kev The Clogs
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 07:43 AM

PLEASE don't let another thread be sucked into this political stewing pot!!!!

I have missed SO MUCH folk and Morris since my ban last October - I am just REALLY looking forward to the whole scene again - all of you fantastic people, the singers, musicians, dancers, publicans etc.

We do this because it is enjoyable, social and is a way of getting away from the crap that the majority of us experience in everyday life within the system.

MUSIC is above all, the one thing that should be joining us ALL together.

My views are well known. I will NOT enter into any politics on The Cat, and I really wish that this approach be more widely adopted. If people want to debate or air their political diferences, could they please do it face to face, in a pub and leave the rest of us to enjoy the friendship and music that makes Folk such a great place to be!!!!

Kev the Clogs

PS - goes without saying, I and Dilligaf will see you there on one, two or three days, at some point.

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 02:33 PM

RBotob was a name I adopted to save typing "Richard Bridge on the other browser". I have not seen any twats nicking it yet, but I suppose it's only a matter of time.

Like it or not the attempts by the BNP to hijack traditional English folk music and song makes it a political topic.

I believe that fascists should be alienated and ostracised. In this, I believe that my position is the one of principle.

And with any luck, now that their internal squabbles have revealed internal venality and undermined any claim that they could represent those sick of corruption (not to mention revealing internal complaints that they were "too racist") their alienation will result.

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: The Barden of England
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 04:18 AM

Oh dear!! All I will say is - I agree with Kev the Cloggs.

John Barden

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: GUEST,Edward
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 04:27 AM

The only racism I have experienced at Rochester has been constant anti-Irish remarks, such as "good session - no Irish stuff" or "do something Irish - yeah, go and tarmac the road!" "The Irish stole their music from us" This is from the people who claim to be anti-racist! The only black faces I ever see are morris dancers who blacken their faces like the old Black & White minstrels!

That's why I won't be going any more.

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: melodeonboy
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 05:32 AM

With an attitude like that, it's probably just as well you won't be going!

This thread is, I believe, entitled "Good Intent Sweeps". The sessions at The Good Intent during Sweeps are run by either John Barden or Ruff 'n' Reddy (who I play with).

John runs very open sessions, which include Irish stuff. If my memory serves me well, he actually does some Irish stuff himself. As for Ruff 'n' Reddy, we are also open to a wide range of music, and we do a number of Irish songs and tunes ourselves. There may be more, but I can think of three Irish performers who regularly attend The Good Intent for our bi-monthly singarounds, and several more who come during Sweeps.

As for blackened faces, the clue may be in the word "sweeps"!

I suspect that you're either a troll or a professional umbrage-taker!

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: melodeonboy
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 05:38 AM

Oh! I forgot to mention that we always have a cracking time together at The Good Intent during Sweeps, which is what it's all about. Leave your negativity/paranoia (or whatever it is!) at the door and you'd be more than welcome. Then you can see and hear for yourself!

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: GUEST,Edward
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 05:43 AM

The blackened faces of morris dancer's are supposed to represent "Black Moors" and has nothing to do with sweeps. I was only pointing out that the only racist remarks that I heard were anti-Irish. There was no waving of BNP flags, I did not even see any BNP supporters. BUT these remarks WERE made. As an Irish personn living in this country They made me feel uncomfertable. I am one of the Irish performers that you mention. The remark about "tarmac the road" was particularly offensive and was directed at a friend of mine. The person who made the remark posts to this thread.

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: The Barden of England
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 10:52 AM

Could well have been me who made that remark! I'm of Irish descent via Travelling stock (the surname should be a clue), and am quite happy to take the p*ss out of myself. People are far too precious at times. It's a festival for gawd sake.
John Barden

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: GUEST,Edward
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 11:42 AM

The unsustantiated claim of distant Irish provenance should not automaticaly give people open licence to ridicule Irish people.

My point is not so much about taking the piss out of Irish people. I've put up with English people doing that all my life . It is about the constant paranoia and hypocracy demonstrated by certain people on this and other Threads

Incidently this is an entry from surnamesdb.com
BARDEN This surname, widely recorded in English Church Registers from the mid 16th Century, is of Anglo-Saxon origin.

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: The Barden of England
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 11:56 AM

I can substantiate GUEST,Edward and not so distant - my Paternal Grandather in fact. Try this John Barden for instance :- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j2oeb-_ygI .
Finally, you seem to be showing all the signs of paranoia and hypocracy that you accuse other people of, is that why you hide behind a GUEST identity? I always sign who I am. Try it some day.

Back on thread - as I said I agree with Kev the Cloggs, Sweeps and certainly The Good Intent are fun places to be.
John Barden

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: melodeonboy
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 12:25 PM

Edward: I've sent you a PM on this.

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: Girl Friday
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 12:31 PM

Is it my imagination, or has the politics crept in through the back door since apps such as facebook and twitter have been installed on the cat?

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 12:44 PM

sigh... I will be singing whatever I damn well please and the only flag waving I want to see on site is the random morris dancer white hankie.

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 02:18 PM

How can you pm "Edward" - he is a guest?

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 02:27 PM

However, I think a case can be made for restricting the amount of Irish song and tunes at a session. It tends to take over (particularly with at least one tenor banjo player I can think of), and at the Sweeps' festival that would be at odds with the core of the event. Balance is what is needed in a session -some songs, some tunes, some from here and some from there (rather like people) so long as none advance offensive proposals or espouse offensive causes (again like people). We are lucky usually to have some wonderful Irish singers at the GI sessions, and there have frequently been specific "Irish sessions" and "Mixed tunes" sessions, often elsewhere but sometimes round the GI fire.

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: melodeonboy
Date: 03 Apr 10 - 01:26 PM

'How can you pm "Edward" - he is a guest?'

I have pmed Edward assuming that it's one and the same person. I assumed he was cookieless when he posted!

(Otherwise some innocent soul will find a rather confusing message in his inbox!)

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 03 Apr 10 - 02:04 PM

For those interested: Nordic racial paganism

I've always been a bit cautious of Pagan Morris, not because I don't like Pagans or people being imaginative with traditions, but because of the political ideology of some Norse inspired Paganism which can *sometimes* have the above 'racial purity' overtones thus making it very appealing to white supremacists. However on just looking up the MySpace of Wolf's Head & Vixen I was much reassured on seeing FAF listed in their top friends. Especially as this side black's up. Good job lads and lasses of Wolf's Head & Vixen. Hope to see you folks sometime.

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 03 Apr 10 - 02:06 PM

Oops, here they are: Wolf's head & Vixed

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Apr 10 - 03:28 PM

Once upon a time WH&V also had a spectacular musical sound. They beat me to "heavy metal mandolin" by several years. They may be getting back to that as they have a very able young guitarist who when I last saw him was playing sort-of-metal riffs on the bottom 3 strings in a drop D tuning.

Subject: RE: Good Intent Sweeps
From: growler
Date: 03 Apr 10 - 04:51 PM

FOR GOD'S SAKE !!!!!!. who ever he me be, can we not just enjoy ourselves. I have had more shit this past year, than anyone should be expected to put up with, but I'm going to draw a line and have a good time at Sweeps