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Origins: Never-Ending Songs

ichMael 06 Mar 10 - 07:52 PM
Dave MacKenzie 06 Mar 10 - 08:05 PM
Susan of DT 06 Mar 10 - 08:37 PM
oldhippie 06 Mar 10 - 08:44 PM
Bill D 06 Mar 10 - 08:53 PM
Paul Burke 06 Mar 10 - 09:15 PM
Bill D 06 Mar 10 - 09:51 PM
frogprince 06 Mar 10 - 10:07 PM
Bill D 06 Mar 10 - 10:07 PM
GUEST,Gerry 07 Mar 10 - 04:58 AM
Paul Burke 07 Mar 10 - 05:45 AM
cetmst 07 Mar 10 - 05:56 AM
Mr Happy 07 Mar 10 - 09:56 AM
dick greenhaus 07 Mar 10 - 10:27 AM
Leadfingers 07 Mar 10 - 11:25 AM
Mr Happy 07 Mar 10 - 11:30 AM
semi-submersible 07 Mar 10 - 01:26 PM
Rowan 07 Mar 10 - 04:43 PM
Dave MacKenzie 07 Mar 10 - 04:43 PM
Joe_F 07 Mar 10 - 08:24 PM
Charlie Baum 07 Mar 10 - 09:24 PM
semi-submersible 07 Mar 10 - 10:34 PM
open mike 08 Mar 10 - 12:24 AM
Splott Man 08 Mar 10 - 03:58 AM
Snuffy 09 Mar 10 - 03:33 AM
Susan of DT 09 Mar 10 - 12:07 PM
Leadfingers 09 Mar 10 - 01:37 PM
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Subject: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: ichMael
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 07:52 PM

Checked the database and didn't see anything on this. Not sure which category it belongs in.

I was researching a song a friend used to sing--it just went on and on and on. Same verse over and over. Same line over and over ("I'll make you hate this song / I'll make you hate this song / I'll make you hate this song / I'll make you hate this song. repeat). It was meant to irritate.

Anyway, I found this webpage:

Sing a Never-Ending Song!

Is this a category of songs? Has it been researched and documented? Some of the lyrics from the webpage:

The Song That Gets On Everybody's Nerves
I know a song that gets on everybody's nerves,
Everybody's nerves, everybody's nerves.
I know a song that gets on everybody's nerves,
And this is how it goes...
(repeat)

The Cow Went Up the Hill
The cow went up the hill.
The cow went up the hill.
Next verse, same as the first,
it never gets better, it only gets worse.
(repeat)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 08:05 PM

There's a version of "The Bear Went Over The Mountain" in this category:

Oh a bear went over a mountain (3*)
To see what he could see.

And what do you think he saw? (2*)

The other side of the mountain (3*)
Was all that he could see.

So what do you think he did?
He climbed back over the mountain
To see what he could see.
And what do you think he saw ......


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Susan of DT
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 08:37 PM

The cow kicked Nelly in the belly in the barn
The cow kicked Nelly in the belly in the barn
The cow kicked Nelly in the belly in the barn
The doctor said it would do no harm

Second verse, same as the first
A little bit louder and a little bit worse

The cow kicked Nelly in the belly in the barn...


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: oldhippie
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 08:44 PM

in kinda a rap beat:

Crazy, I was crazy once.
They put me in a room with padded walls
I died there, they buried me six feet under
Then the bugs came. Bugs.
Bugs drive me crazy.
repeat


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 08:53 PM

♫As I was walkin' down the lane,
down the lane, down the lane.
As I was walkin' down the lane,
I sang a song...that song had this refrain-

As I was walkin' down the lane,
down the lane, down the lane.
As I was walkin' down the lane,
I sang a song...that song had this refrain-...♫


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Paul Burke
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 09:15 PM

This song is about nothin' at all
Nothin' at all, nothin' at all,
This song is about nothin' at all,
That's why it's got no words.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 09:51 PM

99 bottles of beer on a wall,
99 bottles of beer..
Take one down.....put it back up..
99 bottles of beer on a wall.

99 bottles.........


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: frogprince
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 10:07 PM

The horse goes round, the horse goes round, the horse goes round, the horse goes round; The horse goes round, the horse goes round, the horse goes round, the horse goes round;

Same song, second verse; could be better, but it's gonna get worse...


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 10:07 PM

one that 'could' go on forever, depending on how many verses you can get in before they start throwing rotten fruit....

Lloyd George Knew My Father

Tune: Onward Christian Soldiers
Written By: Unknown
Copyright Unknown

Lloyd George knew my father,
Father knew Lloyd George
Lloyd George knew my father,
Father knew Lloyd George
Lloyd George knew my father,
Father knew Lloyd George
Lloyd George knew my father,
Father knew Lloyd George
Lloyd George knew my father,
Father knew Lloyd George
Lloyd George knew my father,
Father knew Lloyd George


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 04:58 AM

Aleph-nought bottles of beer on the wall,
Aleph-nought bottles of beer!
If one of those bottles should happen to fall,
Aleph-nought bottles of beer on the wall.

This is the song that never ends
It just goes on and on my friends
Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue singing it forever just because...


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Paul Burke
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 05:45 AM

To (well) Oiled Lang Syne:

We're here because we're here
Because we're here because we're here,
We're here because we're here
Because we're here because we're here,
We're here because we're here
Because we're here because we're here,
We're here because we're here
Because we're here because we're here....


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: cetmst
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 05:56 AM

On Ilkla Moor Baht Aht

There's a Hole in My Bucket

To the tune of When Irish Eyes Are Smiling:

There's a town in old New Hampshire;
There's an old New Hampshire town.
There's a town in old New Hampshire;
There's an old New Hampshire town.
There's a town in old New Hampshire;
There's an old New Hampshire town.
There's a town in old New Hampshire;
There's an old New Hampshire town.

For as many verses as you can tolerate.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Mr Happy
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 09:56 AM

Marks & Spencers, next door to Woolworths
Marks & Spencers, next door to Woolworths
Marks & Spencers, next door to Woolworths
Marks & Spencers, next door to Woolworths

[ad infinitum!]

to tune of something Spanish don't know name maybe from Carmen?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 10:27 AM

My name is Yon Yonson
I live in Wisconsin
I work in the lumber camps there.
When I walk down the street
All the people I meet
Say, "Hello. What's your name?"
And I say....
My name is etc.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Leadfingers
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 11:25 AM

Or if you dont want to actually sing :-

You remind me of a man

What man ?

A man with the power

What Power?

The power of HooDoo !

Hoo Doo ??

You Do

I do what ?

You remind me of a man

Etc etc etc


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Mr Happy
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 11:30 AM

Infinity plus one men went to mow!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: semi-submersible
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 01:26 PM

Oh, the horse stood around with his foot on the ground [all on one note, stress on horse, round, foot, ground]
Oh, the horse stood around with his foot on the ground
Oh, the horse stood around with his foot on the ground
Oh, the horse stood around with his foot on the ground
[Spoken:] Second [or whichever number] verse; this is worse...

(When I was a little tot, maybe three, no more than five (slender, little oval pale face, round glasses, short dark hair) my mother went Christmas carol singing with friends, and took me along. Surprised to see me singing along, as she didn't think I knew "Oh Little Town of Bethlehem," she listened closely. I was actually singing "The Horse Stood Around with his Foot on the Ground." So such songs can do some good after all.)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Rowan
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 04:43 PM

You'll find others on the thread
Help: Terminology for endless loop songs

Cheers, Rowan


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 04:43 PM

John Jacob Jingle Hyram Smith,
Your name's my name too.
Whenever I go out,
The People start to shout:
John Jacob Jingle Hyram Smith.....


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Joe_F
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 08:24 PM

Da da da da da da da...


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 09:24 PM

To the tune of "LIncoln Lincoln I've been thinkin'..."

"I don't care if I go crazy / one two three four five six switch
Crazy go I if care don't I / six five four three two one switch..."
repeat ad infinitum

The "dance" that goes with the song:
sing first line while leaning your head on your right hand
sing second line while leaning your head on your left hand
repeat ad infinitum

Learned from my friend Ken (Asher) Arbit

--Charlie Baum


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: semi-submersible
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 10:34 PM

"Yon Yonson" above has its own thread with many variations, most never-ending, some printable. (Thanks to Open Mike for posting that link with Yon Yonson lyrics in the 2006 Logging Songs thread.)

Thanks, Rowan, for the older Ouroborian songs thread link. Over there they talked about calling these either recursive, re-entrant, or iterative songs. I'm no logician, but I can't see those terms fitting this particular circular or loop song category so well:

- Iterative songs repeat in a loop, but they don't have to do so infinitely. 99 Bottles of Beer is iterative, though finite.

- Re-entrant is a good term, but it makes me think of a song with an introductory part before the looping starts, something like the shape of a numeral 6, like The Bear Went Over the Mountain.

- I think "recursive" best describes the self-referential song (e.g. 12th St. Rag, Pennsylvania Polka, Tennessee Waltz): a song about itself, with lyrics paradoxically describing a history in which that song already existed. As in the Norman Rockwell painting of himself painting himself painting... each iteration contains the next one; they don't simply follow one another.

(Alternatively, each repeat instead of containing the next could be contained by it. I can't recall an example in song, but Robert Graves contrasts both ideas in a clever short poem "Warning to Children.")

Some of these Ourobarias or never-ending/loop songs quote themselves (...that song had this refrain:...) making them recursive too, but others repeat without inclusion (e.g. Lloyd George Knew my Father). If iterations don't progress, if they all stay at the same level, I don't think the song would be recursive.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: open mike
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 12:24 AM

the one that comes to me never ending love for you by
http://delaneybramlett.com/
link and lyrics posted here:
http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=127945&messages=1


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Splott Man
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 03:58 AM

Apologies if these have already been posted...

I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles... (Pete Townsend)

---

Bluebells are bluebells
Bluebells are bluebells
Bluebells are bluebells
Bluebells are bluebells...

---

Be kind to your web-footed friends
For that duck may be somebody's mother
Be kind to your friends in the swamp
When the weather's cold and damp

You may think that this is the end
Well it's not and to prove that I'm no liar
I'll sing it to you once again
Only this time it'll be a little higher...   etc


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Snuffy
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 03:33 AM

The Goldfish
(Tune: O God, Our Help In Ages Past)

The goldfish is a useless pet
It never makes a sound
It just goes round and round and round
And round and round and round

And round and round and round and round
And round and round and round
And round and round and round and round
And round and round and round

And round and round and round and round
And round and round and round
And round and round and round and round
And round and round and round

And round and round and round and round
And round and round and round
And round and round and round and round
And round and round and round


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Susan of DT
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 12:07 PM

Around the corner and under a tree
A Sargent Major saind to me
I would like to know
Who would marry you
When every time I look at your face
It makes me want to
Run around the corner and under a tree...

The Goldfish (above) does have verses - only 90% of it is round and round.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Leadfingers
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 01:37 PM

Graham Barnes of Robb Johnson's 'Minstry of Humour'had a string of silly verses for 'The Goldfish'


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: glueman
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 01:57 PM

Three brigands sat in a cave,
One said to t'other 'Hey Joe, tell us a tale',
And this is the tale he told.

Three brigands sat in a cave,
One said to t'other 'Hey Joe, tell us a tale',
And this is the tale he told.

Three brigands sat in a cave,
One said to t'other 'Hey Joe, tell us a tale',
And this is the tale he told.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 06:10 PM

Why are we waiting?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 05:45 AM

The Gasman Cometh by Flanders and Swann

It starts;
'Twas on a Monday morning the gas man came to call.
The gas tap wouldn't turn - I wasn't getting gas at all.

and leads up to;
On Saturday and Sunday they do no work at all;
So 'twas on a Monday morning that the gasman came to call...

As usual, Michael Flanders wrote the words, while in his memoir his partner said, "I took the tune from 'Dashing Away With A Smoothing Iron,' and simply changed it a little bit, just enough to make it copyright Donald Swann! But it is really based on a Folk song."


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Rowan
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 04:39 PM

My pleasure, semi-submersible.
My main reason for mentioning the thread was the listing there of so many of the ones already appearing on this thread. There are several here, however, that don't appear there, one of which is one from my youth. Its tune is something from opera (but the name of which I've never known) and I'm no good at dots.

A doggie stole a sausage
coz he was underfed,
the cook he saw him steal it
and now the poor doggy's dead

And all the little doggies
were very sad that night,
they made a little tombstone
and on it they did write

"A doggy stole a sausage
....
repeated for as long as can be tolerated.

Cheers, Rowan


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: GUEST,iancarterb
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 12:41 AM

The way I remember the song from Rowan's post is

A dog came into the kitchen
And stole a crust of bread.
Cook up with the ladle
Beat him til he was dead

repeat to end of play, sporadically, from Samuel Beckett's Waiting For Godot.
Carter


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Tradsinger
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 04:12 AM

At school we used to sing (to the tune of 'Bless 'em all')

Goodbye horse, goodbye horse
I was saying goodbye to my horse
And as I was saying goodbye to my horse
I was saying goodbye to my horse

repeat ad lib until told to shut up.

Tradsinger


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Fred Maslan
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 10:20 AM

Water dear Henry can be sung endlessly with the non fetcher switching between Henry and Liza.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 11:23 AM

She put the lime in the coconut

(you can find the words on the web)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 12:18 PM

I know a man named Michael Finnegan
He grows whiskers on his chinnegan
Cuts them off but they grow in again
Poor old Michael Finnegan
Begin again

I know a man...


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Bernard
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 01:23 PM

Tom Pearse, Tom Pearse,
Lend me your grey mare,

NO!

(Hmmm... p'raps not... I'll think again and get back to you!)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: fretless
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 09:42 AM

The variant on Dave's that I learned is...

John Jacob Jingle Heimer Smith,
That's my name, 2, 4, 6, 8
Whenever I go out,
The People always shout:
There goes John Jacob Jingle Heimer Smith.
Ta ra ra ra ra ra ra.
(repeat...indefinitely)

And my daughter's variant on in ichMael's...

I know a song that gets on everybody's nerves,
I know a song that gets on everybody's nerves,
I know a song that gets on everybody's nerves,
And I can sing it 'cause I know all the words.
(repeat...indefinitely, or at least for the duration of the car ride)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: GUEST,Elithot
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 09:58 PM

I was taught a song called the never ending song:

This is the song that never ends
it goes on and on my freinds
some people started singing it not knowing what it was
and they'll continue singing it forever just because
this is the song that never ends
it goes on and on... well you get the picture


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: beeliner
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 12:24 AM

That's tough

What's tough?

Life

What's life

A magazine

How much does it cost

It costs twenty cents

But I only got a nickel

That's tough

-----------

Where are you going?

To the movies.

What are you going to see?

"Quo Vadis?"

What does that mean?

Where are you going?

(This one is unusual in that the parts reverse with each repetition.)

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OH THAT'S GOOD, NO THAT'S BAD
(DeWayne Blackwell)

Sam The Sham & The Pharaohs - 1966

Not long ago I was walking down the street
When a woman in a car knocked me off my feet
(Ohhhhh, that's bad!) No, that's good!


My insurance paid me a lot of dough
More money than I'd seen in a year's payroll
(Ohhhhh, that's good!) No, that's bad!


My doctors' bills is where my money went
And all I had left was a very bad limp
(Ohhhhh, that's bad!) No, that's good!


'Cause the way I walked got me a role
As the marshall's partner on a TV show
Pretty young actresses started hanging 'round
And every night we'd do the town


(Ohhhhh, that's good!) No, that's bad!


I ended up back in a hospital bed
'Cause my horse fell on my bad leg
(Ohhhhh, that's bad!) No, that's good!


'Cause just when I was feeling my worst
I fell in love with a beautiful nurse
(Ohhhhh, that's good!) No, that's bad!


'Cause I found out she was the doctor's wife
Now I'll be in a wheelchair the rest of my life
'Cause no matter how I pleaded and begged
He operated on my good leg

(Ohhhhh, that's bad!) No, that's AWFUL!!

--------

In which film did Cary Grant do the "You remind me of a man" routine? I don't remember it being set to music.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: GUEST,Mikan22
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 10:55 PM

The variant on Dave's I learned is:
John Jacob Jingle Hiemer Smith
His name is my name too
Whenever we go out
The people always shout
Here comes John Jacob Jingle Hiemer Smith
LALALALALALALALALALA
(repeat)
Sadly I've only learned that one and The Song That gets on Everybody's Nerves


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: GUEST,Unknown
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 11:25 PM

Red orange yellow blue
I really need to use the loo
But it smells like poopoo
Come on sing it too
Lets sing this over and over
Until we forget about the odor

Red orange yellow blue
etc..etc


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Uke
Date: 20 May 12 - 03:27 AM

Oh has anybody seen, said the thousand-legged worm,
Have you seen a leg of mine?
If it can't be found, then I'll have to hop around,
On the other nine hundred and ninety-nine.
Ninety-nine,
Ninety-nine,
On the other nine hundred and ninety-nine.
If it can't be found, then I'll have to hop around,
On the other nine hundred and ninety-nine.

Oh has anybody seen, said the thousand-legged worm,
Have you seen a leg of mine?
If it can't be found, then I'll have to hop around,
On the other nine hundred and ninety-eight.
Ninety-eight,
Ninety-eight,
On the other nine hundred and ninety-eight.
If it can't be found, then I'll have to hop around,
On the other nine hundred and ninety-eight.

etc. etc.

Tune: Polly-wolly-doodle.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: GUEST
Date: 20 May 12 - 09:22 AM

"You can't ride in my little red wagon
The axels busted and the ass is draggin

Second verse same as verse, etc."

Think there's more, but we sang that one in boot camp for the Navy and, indeed, it felt like it went on forever.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 07:27 PM

this song is stuck inside my head and it wont go away it started when I first woke up and its been here all daaaay I don't understand it why did this one stick there's so many cooler songs I wish my brain would pick do do do do do do do do do this song is stuck inside my head and I cant get it out what makes it even worse is that that's what this songs about doctor said don't worry it wont last for long but everytime I go to her she's humming this dumb song do do do do do do do do do I hope you never hear it but if you do be strong hey I think this stupid thing is finally gone......NOPE (just keep going faster and faster)


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