BS: More idiots on Fakebook

Subject: RE: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 12:54 PM

Well, I was horrifed to see that one of my facebook friends has just become a fan of this facebook group:

Kill The Lot: Rapists,Paedophiles,Abusers Of All Kinds

It's a disgrace that these groups are allowed to exist.

Subject: RE: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 08:44 AM

"None of us know what they saw in their lives. What kind of role models they had or what they may have seen and had done to them as kids."

Excellent, Callingbird! We will never get anywhere fighting violent crime until we look for the causes of it and for ways to keep those causes from recurring.

I think there are three little words that are the most beautiful in our language. Not 'I love you' but 'I don't know.'

Subject: RE: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 08:30 AM

It is NOT in the public interest to know what Venables did or who he is or where he lives unless he threatens each and everyone of us.
I would wish to be aware if he is a threat to anyone of us.
And as Jack Straw has, effectively, confirmed that he has breached his parole & is back in custody, it would seem that the presence of a threat is proved.

But I will not be joining any lynch mob.

Subject: RE: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: GUEST,Callingbird
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 08:00 AM

Though the crime committed was absolutely appalling, can we not remember that the people who committed it were children! None of us know what they saw in their lives. What kind of role models they had or what they may have seen and had done to them as kids.

It is NOT in the public interest to know what Veneables did or weho he is or where he lives unless he threatens each and everyone of us.

What does concern me is mob hysteria--- scares me shitless!

Subject: RE: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 07:22 AM

Ah, guest. Kev.

You don't seem to understand.

He lives in the country called The UK. Here in our country, we don't like people doing wrong things, so we have courts and prisons to deal with them.

I appreciate that you may live in a country where there is no difference between right and wrong, so you may deal with a wrong by committing another wrong, just as bad and just as repugnant.

Tell me, do you get a stiffy thinking about somebody being murdered by a set of pack hounds? It's just that other than sexual gratification, I can't think why anybody would fantasise over somebody being murdered by a lynch mob.

The original problem was one of a child who never stood a chance of living and two children who never stood a chance of living normally. I am only glad that our politicians have for once shown themselves to have the gumption not to cave in to pressure by those who don't deserve to enjoy the benefits of a civilised society...

Subject: RE: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: GUEST,Kev
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 05:45 AM

Why don't a few of you "Do gooders" invite him to live with you ? He is scum, nothing more nothing less. I hope he is hounded off the face of the earth for what he done.

Subject: RE: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 03:55 AM

Of Richard's 4 points:
4. Should the two little killers have been released in the first place? No. They were never going to be capable of being made over to a civilised state. Were it not for point 2 above I would have thought a case could be made for their permanent disposal.
There seems to be no evidence of recidivist actions by the second culprit, maybe he is now a credit to whatever community he lives in!

Subject: RE: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 03:27 AM

it is the vigilante attitude of ignorant thugs that help sell newspapers. That is what this is all about!

Like it or lump it, the only reason this is doing the rounds is that newspapers need something for entertainment, and this will do. The mother of the victim is being exploited for nothing more than entertainment. How twisted is that?

Stoking up such hatred, however repugnant the original crime, just proves that there is no difference between Venables and many many people. A reporter with a camera going round Liverpool looking for social misfits and feral scum, asking them what they would like to do to Venables given the chance...

It shows how easy it was for Hitler to stoke things in the '30s.

How long before we see something similar to when a paediatrician was attacked in Portsmouth because somebody thought it meant the same as paedophile.....

Subject: RE: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 03:15 AM

The stories now seem mostly to be back to the line that Venables was recalled for pornography offences. Yesterday however some reports were saying that he was due to be charged with the rape of a 9-year old.

There are four questions, it seems to me: -
1. Is Calvert Venables? The answer can only be "no".
2. Should Venables be or have been killed, by the state or vigilantes? No, that cannot be permissible - other punishments can be undone or compensated if erroneous, but death is irreversible.
3. Should Venables be outed? Having regard to the resources consumed by creating and maintaining a new identity, I have difficulty seeing that he deserves protection. What makes him worth more protection than Jamie Bulger got?
4. Should the two little killers have been released in the first place? No. They were never going to be capable of being made over to a civilised state. Were it not for point 2 above I would have thought a case could be made for their permanent disposal.

Subject: RE: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: Emma B
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 09:02 PM

'vigilante killers are a myth of 1980's movies.'

well possibly although there is a very real historical precedent too

I saw this on Facebook this morning

""Jon venables could be murdered by vigilantes if his identity is revealed" . . . . AND!? The problem is what"

also 'liked' by 10 other people!

I think it answers the question posed by CS - and then one murder begats another..... and.........

Subject: RE: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 09:01 PM

Regarding 'vigilante behaviour' - you only have to consult the records of what happened by such documented action in the USA after a certain catastrophic event in 2001....

It happens...

Subject: RE: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: GUEST,Abdul at work
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 07:28 PM

Crow Sister, That is a ridiculous that "vigilante" remark. I feel giving some criminals a new identity is wrong.
Thousands of criminals who have been convicted for terrible crimes and imprisoned, are subsequently released under their own name.
Are they ever killed by vigilantes? No, vigilante killers are a myth of 1980's movies.
There are , however, an alarming number of innocent people attacked by former prisoners who have been released.
The public should be allowed to know who and where they are.

Subject: RE: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: GUEST,Abdul at work
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 07:16 PM

Point taken.

Subject: RE: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 07:12 PM

Abdul, they are in the USA. While they have been heard in some UK cases they have always reserved the right to contest jurisdiction. You wonder why some people get vexed about US cultural colonialism?

Subject: RE: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: GUEST,Abdul at work
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 05:53 PM

Facebook need to understand the law concerning this case. They could be held to account allowing such pages to be created.

Subject: RE: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 05:40 PM

I'm just glad that I'm not a 27 year old guy from Liverpool, who has just been arrested for something (completely seperate from the Venables mess).
I'd be really watching my back whilst on remand.

Subject: RE: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 05:39 PM

It looks as if even Yahoo answers has clipped it.

Subject: RE: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 05:34 PM

The group has been removed from Fakebook - I suspect there was some urgent diplomacy(!) but the rumour mill is still churning it out on other sites and via text.

Subject: RE: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: GUEST,Abdul at work
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 04:30 PM

Have you a link to this page Richard ?

Thanks

Subject: RE: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 04:24 PM

Well, ya gonna engage with FarceBook, ya gonna get screwed over. Duh.

Time folks stopped engaging with this exhibitionist bullshit site - or at least stop complaining about it, if they choose to use it.

No-one's forcing folks to post to it.

Subject: RE: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 04:02 PM

Nice one Jock!

Subject: RE: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 03:46 PM

I think of Mudcat as being like a village in some respects ;)

Subject: RE: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 03:25 PM

I despise ugly little village lynch-mobs! I wonder sometimes what people that indulge in such stuff are repressing in themselves...? It really does beg the question to my mind. What would these good law-abiding citizens do if they got their hands on the fellon? Or maybe someone who vaguely resembled him?

Sometimes I think they should just let the illiterate mob sate their primal blood-lust in traditional old fashioned ways, by torturing animals and so-on.

Subject: BS: More idiots on Fakebook
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 03:18 PM

Amazing, this. We know where Jon Venables is - he has been recalled to prison. Yet there is a Facebook group with over 2,000 members giving the name of a scared bloke up north with details of where he is living - claiming it to be Venables. Well, doh, actually Venables has been recalled to prison so it can't be him, can it?

You do have to wonder about people, really you do.