What defines a traditional song?

Subject: RE: What defines a traditional song?
From: glueman
Date: 17 Mar 10 - 12:26 PM

Is there any moderation on this board?

Subject: RE: What defines a traditional song?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Mar 10 - 12:49 PM

"Is there any moderation on this board?"
Are there any answers on this thread?
Heat - kitchen and all that!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: What defines a traditional song?
From: glueman
Date: 17 Mar 10 - 01:03 PM

Joe has been informed of your behaviour. I await his reply.

Subject: RE: What defines a traditional song?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Mar 10 - 02:13 PM

So do I - I've done little more than echo you own behaviour
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: What defines a traditional song?
From: glueman
Date: 17 Mar 10 - 02:33 PM

Not true. Anyway here's a folk tale while we see whether Joe plays Pontius Pilate or Mack the Knife.

There was once a bad old woman who died and St Peter was waiting at the gate for her arrival.
"You're a wicked old cow", he said, "and you've been a pain in the arse to everyone you've ever met. Give me one reason why you shouldn't go straight to hell."
The old woman thought and thought and finally remembered that many years ago she had given a starving beggar an onion. It didn't technically belong to her and was a bit dodgy anyway but she recalled the incident and demanded to be let in. St Peter produced the onion and said, "Is that it?" and the bad old woman admitted it was.
He said "if you can hang onto the onion stalk without it breaking you can come up through the pearly gates."
As she grabbed hold of the stalk another sinner said, "hang on you old slapper. It's hot in hell and I gave once you a piece of wood for the fire," and he caught hold of her leg as she began to be raised up.
"Leave it out," she growled, "It's my onion" and she kicked him free and as she did so one of the onion skins fell away with the sinner on the end of it.
"That was a close shave", said the woman and grabbed the next layer as another sinner caught her other leg.
"Come on you miserable old bitch", said the second sinner, "I once gave you a bone for your dog. Give us a hand up."
"You fat turd", she said, this being a contemporary spin on the folk tale and one authorised by the GLC in its more liberal and edgy phase, "It'll never hold your weight" and she wiggled her leg until he fell back into the flames with the second onion skin.
Being familiar with the narrative arc of folk tales she didn't like the way this was going but she was almost upon the pearly gates when another sinner grabbed her the hem of her coat.
"You remember me" he said, "I sang you a song when you were feeling miserable".
"But it wasn't your song", she snorted, "and anyway you've never let up about it for the last forty years. In fact you've bored everybody shitless."
"Well my name was on the collection. If you let me hang on I'll sing you another when we get there."
St Peter saw this and said, "You're a miserable old woman and I had a neat plan to send you back to hell, but there are twenty skilled craftsmen who wrote those songs and if this fella starts banging on about 'the people's music' it's all going to kick off and I run a nice set up. So kick the sod back where he came from and I'll give you an access all areas pass to eternal bliss."
So she booted the sinner back and she could hear his pitiful cries of, "they were anonymous" and "finders, keepers" and "show me another definition" and "no answer I see" but both she and St Peter admitted they'd had a very close shave and took up their place to listen to the talented people who'd written those marvellous songs and tales in the first place.

The End.

Subject: RE: What defines a traditional song?
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 17 Mar 10 - 05:57 PM

Okay, game, set and match to Glueman, now can we go back to the OP?

Subject: RE: What defines a traditional song?
From: EBarnacle
Date: 17 Mar 10 - 06:41 PM

Actually, "Traditional" often means, "I'm too effing lazy to find the author."

To give three examples, on several occasions I have seen Fiddler's Green cited as trad; I have just been given a CD with Storm King cited as trad [I am acquainted with the author]; a verse I gave Oscar Brand for "However Many Nights Drunk" has been cited in several places as Anon.

In none of these cases is the song or verse Trad or Anon.

Subject: RE: What defines a traditional song?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Mar 10 - 07:45 PM

Jim right, Glueman idiot, this thread proves no idiot can use a dictionary. It isn't rocket science and it isn't management theory or social work.

FARK!

Subject: RE: What defines a traditional song?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Mar 10 - 10:04 PM

As much as I'd like to, I haven't decided whether I'm going to stick round or not yet.
For the record, these are my two 'bullying' postings to Glueman.
Just in case - goodbye all, and thanks for the fish, and thanks a million for the off-thread support - leaves a warm glow.
Jim Carroll
PS. Would have posted this on Glueman's thread, but it has been closed for the duration.

"Can I take it that your appeal didn't ring any bells then?"

"Don't you find it strange that somebody who calls us all a shower of cunts should go running to sir when he is getting the worst of an argument"?

Subject: RE: What defines a traditional song?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Mar 10 - 10:23 PM

For the sake of balance, I should have included Glueman's postings to me.
Jim Carroll

1.   That's for me to know and you to wonder about.
2.   a) I didn't call folkies anything of the sort, I quoted someone else and made that abundantly clear at the time along with his reasons.
b) I find it very creepy that you maintain your disturbing and bullying behaviour via PMs. Please desist. Put your behaviour in public forum for all to judge rather than hiding menacingly in the shadows.
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3.   Can I make a request as the last thread has been closed, you can keep this as public or as private as your like. As we seem unable to agree on anything whatsoever how about I don't respond directly to anything you've written and you don't respond directly to anything I've written?
Just a request for the peace of the board. As we disagree on fundamentals it's unlikely to go away otherwise.

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Thread closed due to unwarranted brawling. Please start another (but peaceful) thread if you wish to continue the discussion.
-Joe Offe-