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Subject: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay
From: The Villan
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 02:09 PM

Just thought I would try and whip some enthusiasm for Saint George's Day, which if I am correct is April 23rd.

Will we get a public holiday in England for it and will we be allowed to fly the flag?


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 02:14 PM

Why would you not be able to fly the flag? Who's going to stop you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay
From: Folkiedave
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 02:19 PM

We are in Sheffield that is for certain. We have even persuaded peopel to give us money. And it isn't tainted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 02:32 PM

There's a facebook group - about 1/4 of a million members currently. I am sure there are other groups as well. It's also William Shakespear's birthday and my grandson, Willian George's, birthday as well so I will celebrate in style:-)

And, yes - don't believe any of the red-tops about St George's day or his flag being offensive to anyone. It isn't.

Cheers

DeG


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay
From: Leadfingers
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 02:41 PM

What IS offensive is that the Fascist Bastards have stolen the Flag of Saint George ( No Names , No Google , so this wont be picked up by the apologists )


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay
From: Emma B
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 02:57 PM

Stephen Tomkins, contributing editor of shipoffools.com, writes in support of The Archbishop of York's plea to 'the moderate majority of England' to embrace St George, reclaiming his flag and celebrating his day.

Acknowledging that the most obvious problem with the flag of St George is that it has become 'the flag of skinhead racists and football hooligans' so that there is .'too much baggage tied up in that thing for it to be easy to wave.' he nevertheless argues that
'perhaps that's precisely the point, and the reason why we need to grasp the pole'

'This is the country we've got, and this is the flag we've got, and if we can get better at waving the latter, that's got to be a good thing.
Let the bigots and racists go and get their own one.'

Probably more than you ever need to know about St George


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay
From: The Villan
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 03:07 PM

That's the problem Emma and the worrying part is that if you do fly the flag, are you going to be classed as Rascist?


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 03:10 PM

Villan - no. Fly the flag.


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay
From: The Villan
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 03:17 PM

I will have to put a couple up at Faldingworth Ruth, on April 17th at Faldingworth as its the nearest to the date.
Maybe I can get Marie Little to wear a flag :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay
From: Paul Burke
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 03:41 PM

It's a pity St. George is so wishy washy. He was a Greek from Asia Minor, nothing to do with England, and came here as a result of the disgraceful Crusades. Could we replace him with a home grown one? St. Alban might be an obvious choice, but the Paddies have got St. Patrick (who might have been from Wales or Scotland rather than England anyway). St. Thomas Beckett might just inspire disrespect for monarchy (Are my knights all cowards, that none will rid me of this thelonious monk?), and the later ones like Thomas Moore and the Four Tomatoes are a bit divisive. St. Piran is a bit too localised, good chap though he was according to Quiller Couch.

Maybe we have to stick with him, but insist that he brings the doctor along with him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 03:47 PM

Didn't the Vatican say St. George was mythical?


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay
From: The Villan
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 04:02 PM

How about Saint Fabio? Especially if England win the World Cup


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 04:10 PM

Yesterday I chatted with a harper who is going to play English music at an evensong on St George's Day. I asked if she would play St George's Hymn, but she didn't know.

Wikipedia says that St George's Hymn is 'Jerusalem,' but there's more than one tune by that name.


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay
From: The Villan
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 04:14 PM

Maybe I can get Marie Little to do that or even Cara on the same night who do Irish Celtic music :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 04:21 PM

Every time I used to try to rustle up interest for St. George, on this board and the BBC, I'd end up being caled racist.

?


Great song here, sung by Gez


'Song for Saint George' written by Gez

It was this time last year when they told us to hide
To hide our St. George Flag away
"Take them down from your windows, they litter our streets
If you don't, they'll be much hell to pay
And we'll fine you if you choose to, so it's best you choose not
It's worse than the Union Jack
For St. George is dead and buried
We suggest you sit down, shut up, and please don't answer back

Just sit down
Just sit down
Just sit down
No, don't stand your ground"

On St. George's Day morning I want to run through my street
Find its Bank Holiday with her parties so sweet
Send my love to my country, be proud of this place
See the flags flown from windows, with a smile on my face
But I fear Monday morn' we'll regret we were born
In this country of green promised land
And we'll trudge off to work with no pride in our heart
And no love for our own countrymen
Oh the Irish - St. Patrick, The Welsh - David's Day
The Scottish - St. Andrew I'm told
Celebrated by all who arouse one and all
Old St. George has been left in the cold

Don't sit down!
Don't sit down!
Don't sit down!
Just stand your ground!

On St. George's Day morning I want to run through my town
Find its Bank Holiday with my neighbours around
Send my love to my country, be proud of this place
See the flags flown from windows, with a smile on my face
I know is I'm small, yet I try to stand tall
For my country on St. George's Day
Raise a glass to Old England my neighbours and friends
So they know that he's not gone away
I'll run with my flag in the cool winter spring
Through the fields and the streets of this land
You can take Old St. George from our windows and doors
In my heart there remains an England

You can take Old St. George from our windows and doors
In my heart there remains an England
You can take old St. George from my windows and doors
In my heart there remains an England"

So good I even put it on:

Albion Heart Myspace

;0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 04:25 PM

Just don't, whatever you do, mention cricket being played on village greens, or church bells ringing, or spitfires flying overhead..else you're a gonner..

;0)

Oh gawd, the amount of times I've stood up for Dear Ol' England and been shot down in flames for it..

Good to see that now, some have seemingly changed their minds and are all for flying flags and being patriotic!

Wow..


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay
From: The Villan
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 04:32 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRK6U5vIHCs


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Emma B
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 09:48 PM

Thanks for the link Les

While I like Kate Rusby's take on this somg I love the Kinks original and whichever version have to agree with the opinion that

'Ray Davies' sentimental, nostalgic streak is never better expressed than in The Village Green Preservation Society.'

From one review of the Kink's album

'As the opening title song says, the Kinks — meaning Ray himself, in this case — were for preserving "draught beer and virginity," and throughout the rest of the album, he creates a series of stories, sketches, and characters about a picturesque England THAT NEVER REALLY WAS'

'The 'rural myth' in the minds of some people …….

'has taken on an idealised and stereotyped form, consisting mainly of images of thatched cottages with roses round the door, the sun always shining, birds trilling in the treetops, and everyone happy and healthy.

But of course it very often wasn't like that at all.

The thatched cottages were usually intolerable slums when the poor inhabited them, and were only made liveable when the rich discovered the charm of a simple rustic habitation as an escape from the industrial urban environment.

The living conditions were frequently cold and damp, so that disease abounded, and many farm workers were cruelly treated by the farmers they worked for and were undernourished (a very good description of which can be found in the chapter entitled "To Be a Farmer's Boy?" in Ronald Blythe's masterwork on rural life in East Anglia, Akenfield.)'

Albion Magazine Online


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 01:44 AM

Ideas for celebrating St George's Day

invite friends and family over

eat roast beef or fish & chips
read some Shakespeare
read Tennyson's 'Ulysses' aloud
play some Playford dances
read aloud Churchill's 'We shall fight them on the beaches' speech
read an account of the life of Florence Nightingale
read 'Dover Beach'

make and frost a cake. cut out a picture of a dragon and lay it on the cake. trace around it with a toothpick, then pipe colored frosting on the lines. let the children help

eat the cake.

sing St George's hymn. [We're still looking for it.]


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 03:55 AM

'has taken on an idealised and stereotyped form, consisting mainly of images of thatched cottages with roses round the door, the sun always shining, birds trilling in the treetops, and everyone happy and healthy.

But of course it very often wasn't like that at all.

The thatched cottages were usually intolerable slums when the poor inhabited them, and were only made liveable when the rich discovered the charm of a simple rustic habitation as an escape from the industrial urban environment.<<<<



Cleanliness is next to Godliness, was the rule that many people lived by in those days. The poor, not having much, had their pride. And many of them would not have dreamed of letting their cottages stay dirty and smelly. Women worked hard to keep clothes, houses clean. They baked their bread together, did their washing together...There was a far greater sense of community and love abounding in the cottages of yesteryear, for all their damp and coldness on a winter's day, than there is in the so often sterile villages that now abound, where the peasants thatched cottages now are cold for different reasons.

They may have had nothing, but they had God and they had each other.
Life was lived to a different set of standars, close to nautre. Simple pleasures gave much joy.

Now, their cottages stand empty for much of the year, being used as holiday homes, or second homes...or they are filled with materialistic treasures belonging to people who have no spirituality in their souls and who do all they can to stop the church bells from waking them too early or the cock from crowing.....

I will have my England of the Past, for the Present has lost so very many of its Treasures.....

The England of the Future depends on the New Peasants rising from the worst recession in history and once again learning to fill their cottages with the sound of laughter and love, even if they are no longer able to afford their central heating or fashionable clothes...


The new Rich of England will be for those who once again hear the beautiful music in the winding babbling brooks, who have time to sit and watch the birds flying from tree to tree, who come to know the seasons again, the fruits, the vegetables, their growing times, who notice the beauty in the blossom, and the richness of a sunset....

England, my England.......


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 04:06 AM

We have so much beauty in this country. So much wonderful history. So very much to be proud of. We have lost the respect we once had, because the English themselves have turned away from all that is incredible about this country.....We have let others in who have done nothing but poured guilt on us, kicked us for all the bad people in the past...whilst ignoring all the Good. They have made us feel so bad about ourselves and we have let them.

We are a truly Inspirational Nation, welcoming and kind...and it is way past time we started to recognise and celebrate that fact.


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 04:54 AM

I'm not sure who thinks that St Geroges day is racist. Maybe thinking that it is recent immigrants that have coused problems is! The devaluing of our 'heritage' is nothing new -

       H.M.S. FOUDROYANT

       by: Arthur Conan Doyle (1859-1930)

[Being an humble address to Her Majesty's Naval advisers, who sold Nelson's old flagship to the Germans for a thousand pounds.]

            Who says the Nation's purse is lean,
            Who fears for claim or bond or debt,
            When all the glories that have been
            Are scheduled as a cash asset?
            If times are bleak and trade is slack,
            If coal and cotton fail at last,
            We've something left to barter yet--
            Our glorious past.
            
            There's many a crypt in which lies hid
            The dust of statesman or of king;
            There's Shakespeare's home to raise a bid,
            And Milton's house its price would bring.
            What for the sword that Cromwell drew?
            What for Prince Edward's coat of mail?
            What for our Saxon Alfred's tomb?
            They're all for sale!
            
            And stone and marble may be sold
            Which serve no present daily need;
            There's Edward's Windsor, labelled old,
            And Wolsey's palace, guaranteed.
            St. Clement Danes and fifty fanes,
            The Tower and the Temple grounds;
            How much for these? Just price them, please,
            In British pounds.
            
            You hucksters, have you still to learn,
            The things which money will not buy?
            Can you not read that, cold and stern
            As we may be, there still does lie
            Deep in our hearts a hungry love
            For what concerns our island story?
            We sell our work -- perchance our lives,
            But not our glory.
            
            Go barter to the knacker's yard
            The steed that has outlived its time!
            Send hungry to the pauper ward
            The man who served you in his prime!
            But when you touch the Nation's store,
            Be broad your mind and tight your grip.
            Take heed! And bring us back once more
            Our Nelson's ship.
            
            And if no mooring can be found
            In all our harbours near or far,
            Then tow the old three-decker round
            To where the deep-sea soundings are;
            There, with her pennon flying clear,
            And with her ensign lashed peak high,
            Sink her a thousand fathoms sheer.
            There let her lie!

Unfortunatelty a lot of the sentiments still ring true today. Arrogance, ignorance and greed are not new and the (b)ankers were just as bad then:-(

Cheers

DeG


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: The Villan
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 04:59 AM

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/126522/2-in-3-are-scared-to-salute-Saint-George


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 05:12 AM

It doesn't say anywhere that St Georges day actualy is considered racist, Les. In fact, a little below the sensational headline it goes on to say

More than a million people signed a petition calling for a Bank Holiday on St George's Day. Campaign founder Colin Tabor, 52, said the idea the day was racist was outdated.

He said: "We have got supporters from all walks of life, from every race, religion and creed asking us how they can celebrate the day. All the other British countries have their own celebrations so we deserve our own.


I find it a bit rich that a paper like the Daily Star, which has done as much to cause these probles as anyone, is now complaining that people are concerned about the racist connotations. But I guess most people know my views on the popular press!

Cheers

DeG


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 05:16 AM

BTW - The premise under the headline is -

TWO-thirds of English people will not be celebrating St George's Day for fear of being branded racist.

So, while no-one is saying that St Georges day is racist, 2/3 of people are worried that if they celebrate it they may be considered to be? Just think to yoursleves - Exactly who is it that has caused those fears?

Make me wonder anyway...


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 05:52 AM

It was with pride I wore my daffodil on March 1st.

Will you be any less proud, who wear your roses ; or, IMO, should wear them ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 06:33 AM

Interesting and somewhat heated thread from a while back:

It gets interesting as the thread progresses, rather than the first few posts..

English Culture - What is it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 07:00 AM

I will be proudly wearing mine, Bryn, and flying the flag - albeit out of the window rather than up a flagpole:-) Funnily enough I always used to wear a daff on 1st March as well - I was christened on St Davids day and my Maternal grandmother was from Rhuddlan. I have got out of the habit of late but must resurect it next time!

Having another Arthur moment. May I suggest an English anthem more suitable than grovelling to the posh bint at buck house?

The Song of the Bow

by Arthur Conan Doyle

From Songs of Action (1898).

What of the bow?
The bow was made in England:
Of true wood, of yew-wood,
The wood of English bows;
So men who are free
Love the old yew-tree
And the land where the yew-tree grows.

What of the cord?
The cord was made in England:
A rough cord, a tough cord,
A cord that bowmen love;
And so we will sing
Of the hempen string
And the land where the cord was wove.

What of the shaft?
The shaft was cut in England:
A long shaft, a strong shaft,
Barbed and trim and true;
So we'll drink all together
To the grey goose-feather
And the land where the grey goose flew.

What of the mark?
Ah, seek it not in England,
A bold mark, our old mark
Is waiting over-sea.
When the strings harp in chorus,
And the lion flag is o'er us,
It is there that our mark will be.

What of the men?
The men were bred in England:
The bowmen--the yeomen,
The lads of dale and fell.
Here's to you--and to you!
To the hearts that are true
And the land where the true hearts dwell.

Bit jingoistic I suppose but good for the occasion methinks:-)

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 07:32 AM

I actually quite like Mrs. Queen. She has her faults, and loadsa money, but she has dedicated her life to her country, giving up a life she may have wanted, with no hint of scandal other than not being able to understand yer common peasant...but I do have some admiration for her.

I'd not have her job for the world, no matter the money and prestige involved.

Far better to be a Peasant, than a Queen, locked in your Ivory Castle


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Emma B
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 07:43 AM

The Rt Rev Dr Richard Chartres is Bishop of London also urges us to 'hang out our flags on April 23rd'

"The festival of St George and Shakespeare is a good opportunity to trace the way we have come and to develop, in fresh ways, our common story.

The point is that we do NOT require a univocal idealization of our country or a roseate view of English history as some kind of cross-gartered rural idyll.

But our children deserve a rich account of the narrative of England which will give them the resources to make an informed and original response to the 21st century.

They need a narrative of England which does not palliate the crimes and injustices; does not edit out the debates between Catholics and Protestants, Anglicans and Puritans, the argument between the followers of Hobbes and the protagonists of Locke but which also insists on the glory and the grit of the Northern industrial towns; the cosmopolitan wonder of mercantile London and the hard earned ease of the suburbs."


Reading the 'parent' thread about respect for St Patrick's Day - which is in fact about the celebration of (sometimes distant) Irish ancestry in another country - it's obvious that 'national identity' is far from straightforward

English national identity often appears enigmatic and elusive not helped by the
equivocal word 'English' in its synecdoche use for 'British'. a memorial to England's hegemony over the rest of the British Isles

As recently as 1994 John Major, then Prime Minister, could still startle the non-English inhabitants of the UK by declaring that 'this British Nation has a monarchy founded by the kings of Wessex over eleven hundred years ago'

George Orwell observed that while the so called races of Britain feel themselves to be different from one another even differences between the North and South of England were significant.

Krishan Kumar writes that
'For the English, despite all the cultivation of 'heritage' and the celebration of 'Olde England' the past is past; it has done its work
This does not mean that the English turn their back on the past, in the American manner ('history is bunk') Rather it is an assumption of a continuity so seamless that the past dissolves insensibly into the present'

Such a perception of continuity he argues
'has significant implications for the concept of national identity'
He quotes Herbert Butterfield
'Because we in England have maintained the threads between past and present we do not, like some younger states, have to go hunting for our own personalities'
Or to 'create a nationalism out of the broken fragments of tradition out of the ruins of a tragic past'


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George's Day-April 23
From: Will Fly
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 07:52 AM

When I look at popular images of national cultures, I often think there's a very thin line between true representations of those cultures and stereotypical clichés. Think Scotland and what do you get? Tartan, bagpipes, kilts, sporrans, shortbread, etc. Think Ireland and what do you get? GREEN, the word Celtic everywhere, Guinness, shamrocks, diddley-diddley music, etc. Even thinking England, which is popularly supposed to have no national clichés, has London Buses, Big Ben, Morris dancers, cricket, village greens, shepherds in smocks, the Union flag/flag of St. George (take your pick), bowler hats, etc. All of it clichéd beyond measure and stereotype, and I personally find it all a bit old (bowler) hat.

Most of the pubs in my village will probably having some sort of attempt at a St. Patrick's Day bash - either a special menu or Guinness at a cut price (can't be bad, I suppose), or some themed music event - even when the Irish population is practically non-existent. These sorts of days actually end up being another day on the marketing men's calendar. Christmas... St. Valentine's Day... Mothers' Day... Easter... St. Patrick's Day... and all the way back to Christmas again via Fathers' Day, Hallowe'een and the rest.

So, actually I'd be quite happy if we didn't all succumb to nationalistic fervour and jingoism on a day picked at random for an imaginary saint who nobody knows much about. What you could do, if you wanted to celebrate the English spirit as I understand it, would be - on April 23rd, if that's the choice - to do one small and quiet unseen act of kindness or charity on that day. And then get riotously pissed in the evening, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 07:57 AM

Anyone who want's to go back to a feudal economy, know their place, be ruled by the upper classes and be thrown on the scrap heap when their usefulness is over is welcome to it. I will stick to todays England with it's vibrant multi-culture, assimilation of other traditions, freedom to celebrate what and when we like and reduction of class privilege. The past is great to look at, good to remember and provides building blocks for the future. Nice to place visit but I wouldn't like to live there:-)

DeG


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: theleveller
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 08:00 AM

We (Whipstaff) will be playing at a St George's Day Celebration on Sunday 25th April (not the actual St George's Day, unfortunately)at Danby Village Hall, near Whitby. Come along and join in if you're in the area.


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: theleveller
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 08:12 AM

Link for Danby Village Hall Celebrations

http://www.festivalonthemoor.co.uk/stgeorges/index.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 08:27 AM

But....it is where we all come from.

I am afraid I really do not understand that comment. I said the past is great but I would rather celebrate what we have now. Is that a bad thing?

DeG


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 08:40 AM

Ideas for celebrating St George's Day

invite friends and family over

eat roast beef or fish & chips
read some Shakespeare
read Tennyson's 'Ulysses' aloud
play some Playford dances
read aloud Churchill's 'We shall fight them on the beaches' speech
read an account of the life of Florence Nightingale
read 'Dover Beach'

make and frost a cake. cut out a picture of a dragon and lay it on the cake. trace around it with a toothpick, then pipe colored frosting on the lines. let the children help

eat the cake.

sing St George's hymn. [We're still looking for it.]

Thanks for this Leenia, this post had me tickled pink! Always funny to see how others percieve one's country. Not in a bad way.. Just entertaining.
You missed out the wearing of bowler hats and singing of Jerusalem though.. It's gotta be Jerusalem, preferably while feeling tearfully patriotic and waving flags and such! ;0)
Plus instead of cake - it should be pudding: http://www.puddingclub.com/ Something suitably public school, such as Tom Brown might have before getting a thrashing from Flashman.

Jerusalem from last years Last Night of the Proms.


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Will Fly
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 10:13 AM

Will, are you against the Scots, Welsh and Irish celebrating too?

I'm neither for it nor against it - for any of us - Lizzie. :-)

I just think there's often a lot of jingoistic clichés associated with such "national" days when, actually, people are far more complex than the obvious associations would have us believe. (I also have fairly near Irish and Scottish ancestry, as well as English and probably a little Dutch further back!) I would just say: whatever your national day is, celebrate it with being good to someone - and then of course get riotously rat-arsed!


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 10:22 AM

and then of course get riotously rat-arsed!

Bit of a stereotypical cliche isn't it, Will? :-D

I will take your advice though. Preferably with a curry!

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Will Fly
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 10:53 AM

Too true, Dave - I am indeed a stereotypical cliché... sigh... :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 01:52 PM

Thanks, Crow Sister. I didn't know about Jerusalem. Thanks too for the link.

Pudding, though. Can you put frosting on a pudding and decorate it with a dragon?

Will Fly, you offered some good thoughts, though I differ with you on getting rat-arsed. That's no fun, actually.


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 03:59 PM

What color beer is drunk on St. George's day?


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 05:21 PM

Red and White I suppose

:D (eG)


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Emma B
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 05:30 PM

Has to be Wells Bombardier really


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: The Villan
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 05:51 PM

This of course

St Georges Beer


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 05:53 PM

as a dragon, I OBJECT!


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Will Fly
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 06:17 PM

Will Fly, you offered some good thoughts, though I differ with you on getting rat-arsed. That's no fun, actually.

Just a bit of humour, Leeneia. The early stages of rat-arsing are fun, but that doesn't last for long! :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 06:31 PM

It all depends on your state, the rat and, of course, the arse...


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: GUEST,open mike
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 09:13 PM

(not sure where and how i lost my cookie...)
can someone explain the significance of wearing daffodills?
and of wearing roses?

i recall a tradition in US where on mother's day flowers are
worn and one color signifies a living mother, the other one
who has died...

on further investigation here is the info (CARNATIONS)
Carnations are the most popular flowers for Mother's Day. ...
You wear a red carnation if your mother is still living or
you wear a white one if she is not...


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 10:46 PM

thanks, Will Fly. You are a sweetie.

Open Mike, daffodils are one of the symbols of Wales. Roses presumably are an English symbol, though I never heard of that before.


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: GUEST,Allan Connochie
Date: 17 Mar 10 - 02:45 AM

"Roses presumably are an English symbol, though I never heard of that before."

The rose is as much a common symbol of England as the thistle is of Scotland. The Tudor Rose was seemingly a fusing of the York and Lancastrian Roses after the War of the Roses. It is also quite common to cribe an English woman as an English Rose. If she's pretty anyway :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Emma B
Date: 17 Mar 10 - 06:26 AM

Leenia, this is the classic Tudor rose which is based on the wild dog rose rather than the better known hybrids and cultivars

"The Roses Match refers to any game of cricket played between Yorkshire County Cricket Club and Lancashire County Cricket Club.

Yorkshire's emblem is the white rose, while Lancashire's is the red rose."


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 17 Mar 10 - 06:30 AM

More classic English roses here - for the garden if anyone's interested ion such things.

English Garden Roses (US site)


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Folkiedave
Date: 17 Mar 10 - 06:33 AM

In Catalunya the tradition is that a single rose is given by the gentleman to his partner - and the partner returns the favour with a book.

(What they don't seem to tell you - this is often a pornographic book!!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Emma B
Date: 17 Mar 10 - 06:43 AM

While we're on the subject of the English and our roses, here are some examples of traditional narrow boat decoration and in situ


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: LadyJean
Date: 18 Mar 10 - 12:44 AM

I collect St. George and the Dragon. I have a cast iron statue of them that my sister brought me back from Barcelona, where he's also the patron saint, and a lovely Russian laquer pin. Apparently he's a patron saint there too. I usually wear the pin on April 23.


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 18 Mar 10 - 03:23 AM

Folkiedave...
Do you have any of these books in stock?
!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Mar 10 - 04:43 AM

That tradition has moved on, nowadays internet access will be as effective.


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Mar 10 - 04:50 AM

I wonder if the sailer who gave her a blood red rose was Catalonian (sp?). Bet he was a bit pissed of when she have him a buch of herbs instead of the the latest edition of 'Playboy'.

:D (eG)


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 Mar 10 - 05:54 AM

Folkiedave...
Do you have any of these books in stock?
!!!


Only under the counter. Seem me at Bradfield Festival and you can have the look at them all! And a quiet room to study if you like!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: The Villan
Date: 18 Mar 10 - 06:03 AM

How's about Terry St Clair Paul


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: theleveller
Date: 18 Mar 10 - 06:50 AM

The Yorkshire Rose is Alba Maxima - one of my favourites that I wouldn't be without.

Yorkshire Rose


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: bubblyrat
Date: 19 Mar 10 - 07:49 AM

"The posh Bint at Buck House"......??? To what level of puerile disrespect have we sunk on this forum ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Mar 10 - 08:11 AM

1. Respect needs to earned. The posh bint in question has done nothing to gain it from me.

2. This forum is worldwide, about music and has nothing whatsover to do with showing respect to people who gained their positions by inheriting them from their forbears. Who gained them through murder, theft and oppresion.

3. If you beleive 'posh bint' is particularly puerile or disresctful then you have led a very sheltered life.

4. One of the many spledid things I will be celebrating about my country on St Georges day is the freedom to voice an opinion. Especialy about my 'betters':-)

Anything else?

Cheers

DeG


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Subject: RE: BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23
From: theleveller
Date: 19 Mar 10 - 08:58 AM

DeG - LOL! Respect!


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