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Grand Chain - Ceilidh Dance

Herge 18 Mar 10 - 01:53 PM
Noreen 18 Mar 10 - 01:59 PM
Herge 18 Mar 10 - 02:00 PM
Noreen 18 Mar 10 - 02:28 PM
GUEST,PeterC 18 Mar 10 - 03:11 PM
Jane Bird 18 Mar 10 - 06:12 PM
bfdk 18 Mar 10 - 07:00 PM
Leadfingers 18 Mar 10 - 10:51 PM
Marje 19 Mar 10 - 05:48 AM
Mo the caller 19 Mar 10 - 06:55 AM
GUEST,John Sweeney 19 Mar 10 - 07:35 AM
Herge 19 Mar 10 - 10:55 AM
Mo the caller 19 Mar 10 - 02:01 PM
Marje 19 Mar 10 - 02:06 PM
Steve Gardham 19 Mar 10 - 06:26 PM
JennieG 19 Mar 10 - 06:31 PM
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Subject: Grand Chain - Ceilidh Dance
From: Herge
Date: 18 Mar 10 - 01:53 PM

Hi
Is the grand chain a dance or a move within a dance?


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Subject: RE: Grand Chain - Ceilidh Dance
From: Noreen
Date: 18 Mar 10 - 01:59 PM

The latter- it is a figure within many ceili dances.


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Subject: RE: Grand Chain - Ceilidh Dance
From: Herge
Date: 18 Mar 10 - 02:00 PM

What dance would it be most associated with?


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Subject: RE: Grand Chain - Ceilidh Dance
From: Noreen
Date: 18 Mar 10 - 02:28 PM

Just off the top of my head, quickly:

16-hand and 8-hand reel (Irish), Eightsome reel (Scottish), but also numerous dances done in english ceilis.


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Subject: RE: Grand Chain - Ceilidh Dance
From: GUEST,PeterC
Date: 18 Mar 10 - 03:11 PM

I have a recollection of a caller using the term as a name for a dance but it is primarily a figure. AS Noreen says, used in a multitude of English dances.


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Subject: RE: Grand Chain - Ceilidh Dance
From: Jane Bird
Date: 18 Mar 10 - 06:12 PM

This is a good example.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/greenery/BarnDances/Squares.html#Joe%20Taylor%27s%20Dance

You often come across a grand chain figure in square sets, but you do find some long way set dances with a grand chain that starts with the top couple then moves down the sides, too.


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Subject: RE: Grand Chain - Ceilidh Dance
From: bfdk
Date: 18 Mar 10 - 07:00 PM

This Danish dance comprises sidestepping, grand chain and polka - in case you want to see what a grand chain looks like.


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Subject: RE: Grand Chain - Ceilidh Dance
From: Leadfingers
Date: 18 Mar 10 - 10:51 PM

A Grand Chain is when the entire set circles , left hand to right hand either back to where they started or for a full measure of the tune !

I Think ! NOT really a dancer , but HAVE played in a lot of Cheilidh Bands


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Subject: RE: Grand Chain - Ceilidh Dance
From: Marje
Date: 19 Mar 10 - 05:48 AM

So the answer is that you can find a Grand Chain in a great variety of dances: square sets, longways sets, and also some dances where all the dancers are in one big circle. Some of the latter are progressive dances, where you'll "chain" through a particular number of people and then dance with the next one (say number eight) in the chain.

Marje


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Subject: RE: Grand Chain - Ceilidh Dance
From: Mo the caller
Date: 19 Mar 10 - 06:55 AM

The one that causes the most confusion at beginners dances is Lucky Seven. Everyone is suppose to chain PAST 6 people (R,L,R,L,R,L) and KEEP number 7; COUNTING their partner as no. 1. Everyone gets out of time and the number you are on may not be the number other people are saying. Plenty of room for error and people without a partner going off and sitting down. Also if there is an even number of couples you never dance with half the possible partners, if there are 6, 12, 18 or 24 couples you keep getting your parnter, and miss out on 5/6 ths of the men.

Grand chain is often put in as a chorus figure in American squares, allamande left your corner, face your partner, grand chain. Either all the way, passing your partner at the other side of the set, meeting in home place (and a very quick swing if there's time). Or chain half way, do-ce-do (or something) when you meet, promenade home.

Grand chain in a square set is a satisfying figure when it goes right. If it goes wrong at least you know where/who you are aiming for, so keep plodding on. It's when people decide they are going the wrong way and turn back that chaos is maximised.


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Subject: RE: Grand Chain - Ceilidh Dance
From: GUEST,John Sweeney
Date: 19 Mar 10 - 07:35 AM

If you get your partner back in Lucky Seven, just use the swing to change places with the couple beside you - then you will meet new people next time around the circle.


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Subject: RE: Grand Chain - Ceilidh Dance
From: Herge
Date: 19 Mar 10 - 10:55 AM

What about the Grand Parade - is this a dance?


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Subject: RE: Grand Chain - Ceilidh Dance
From: Mo the caller
Date: 19 Mar 10 - 02:01 PM

It might be the same as the one I know as Grand March. A dance that started the evening in Victorian times. All fall in behind each other and march round the room, then up the middle. One goes one way, one another, meet and come up the middle two by two. 2 go one way, 2 the other, meet and come up in 4s. 4 one way 4 the other. Up the middle in lines of 8.
Then you are all ready to make sets of 4 couples for the next dance.


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Subject: RE: Grand Chain - Ceilidh Dance
From: Marje
Date: 19 Mar 10 - 02:06 PM

I was once at a Scottish (RSCDS) ball, and they began the evening with something very like that. It's similar to the sort of thing they do in military tatoos - in fact isn't that where some longways-set dance figures are said to originate? In the case of the ball, it gave everyone a chance to parade around in their kilts/ball-gowns, seeing and being seen.

I can't see the Grand Chain being done by the military, though!

Marje


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Subject: RE: Grand Chain - Ceilidh Dance
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 19 Mar 10 - 06:26 PM

At public dances Lucky Seven always foxes 'em, especially those who can't count upto 7, have short attention spans, have no sense of direction, have no concept of 'clockwise/anticlockwise' or are just plain drunk, so I always found it useful to advise them before they start the dance, if they end up with no partner don't drop out, have a quick look round and find one of the other unfortunates to swing.


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Subject: RE: Grand Chain - Ceilidh Dance
From: JennieG
Date: 19 Mar 10 - 06:31 PM

The Grand March is done at Aussie balls and looks very impressive with everyone in costume....crinolines swaying as the lines advance toward the stage, before forming into square sets of four couples.

Cheers
JennieG


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