National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010

Subject: National English Dialect Day 2010
From: GUEST,SID
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 07:17 AM

This years National Dialect Day will take place on Saturday 16th October, 2.00pm - 11.00pm, at Euxton Parish Community Centre, Nr Chorley, Lancashire. There will be competitions for writing and performing in any English dialect and an evening concert of the Country's best dialect performers.

Future events will be staged annually all around England, organised by other dialect societies.

Email me at [e-mail] to register your interest, offer your services or book a place in the competitions.

Last years entries came from Northumberland, Lakeland, Yorkshire, Lancashire, Derbyshire, Lincolnshire and Cornwall and we are actively seeking dialect speakers and singers from the south and southeast of England to add to this year.

Please pass this info. on to any likely candidates that you know and let's make it a truly National Dialect Festival!

Sid, Chairman, The Lancashire Society

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 2010
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 03:11 PM

All best wishes for this, Sid. If only Harrow had a surviving dialect I'd volunteer.....

Kitty

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 2010
From: Mavis Enderby
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 03:49 PM

Now then duck, sounds reet grand.

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 2010
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 06:15 PM

III AMMM AAAA DIALECTTTT EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE...

Good luck, Sid. Wish my Grandad was still about:-)

DeG

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 2010
From: Greg B
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 07:23 PM

Eee! By gum!

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 2010
From: greg stephens
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 07:43 PM

Are you Sid Caldersomethingorother that I used to know years and years and years ago? Eh up mi shuggieluvduck shall we go up Hanley I've moved to Stoke now by the way

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 2010
From: Rasener
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 07:45 PM

Thats the one Greg :-)

Sid is this the one that is linked to the folk festival ?

Les Worrall

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 2010
From: John Routledge
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 07:46 PM

Yes Greg :0)

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 2010
From: Rasener
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 07:50 PM

There you go Greg

Sid Caldersomethingorother

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 2010
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 09:45 PM

Thanks for the very entertaining samples of your songs and talks, Sid. Thanks to Mudcat and my UK friends who've sent me stuff, I think I caught most of it, though if I listen a few more times, I am sure I'll get more. I'd still have to ask the meaning of some of the words, though. Really fun to hear and read about. I hope the Fest is a big success.

I think it is so important to preserve dialects. There are not many in Western Colorado who sound like natives as my mom and dad and siblings did/do. I lost some of it while away, but am gaining it back.

Thanks, again,

kat

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: GUEST,SID
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 07:27 AM

Yes everyone, This is the event that we started last year with support from Fylde Festival, but we had some complaints from our nation's farmers who are harvesting in September and couldn't get there! So this year we've moved it out with a view to establishing it as a separate day so that in future years it can travel the country organised in a different area each time. The local council, Chorley Arts, are supporting us in Euxton this year.(pronounced EXTON by the way.)

And yes Greg I am, although it's only 30 years since "Beggar Boy of the North" isn't it?
SID CALDERBANK

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 08:22 AM

But will you be performing East Lancs material with a West Lancs accent Sid?

Anne's been grumbling again,
Robin:)

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: GUEST,sid
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 10:20 AM

I most certainly will not, not with members of the Edwin Waugh Society from Rochdale present!

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: Paul Burke
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 03:55 PM

Ey up lad, a competition for dialect? I assume marks are deducted for each word the judges can understand, and that in the event of the leaders tying, it will be resolved by purring.

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: theleveller
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 04:33 AM

Just fer t'day? Dust'a mean wiv ter shurrup fer rest o' t'year?

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 07:28 AM

So what are the categories and does it work?

What is it all about?

Ray

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: bubblyrat
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 08:39 AM

Is Cockney Rhyming Slang acceptable ?? Par L'Example ;

" I goes dahn the rub-a-dub-dub for a few Britneys,then I goes 'ome ter me trouble for a Melvyn " .

What's it all abaht ?

                  Alfie

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 10:42 AM

Now, when you say 'English dialects' to do mean dialects from England or do you mean dialects of the English language?

There's a world of difference. heh heh   :)

I wish I could name the book, but I can't. Nonetheless, I read a fascinating book a couple years ago about the forms of English worldwide. I was surprised to learn that there are 'descendants' of English in remote parts of the world that I couldn't recognize until the author demonstrated the similarities.

Fascinating!

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: GUEST,SID
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 11:05 AM

If you go to our website (www.thelancashiresociety.org.uk) you will find a report for last year on the events page where you can also listen to the winning entries.

We have, historically, held competitions at Fylde Festival for writing and performing in the Lancashire dialect only, but last year decided to invite entries representing all the regional dialects of England.

The competitions were for writing in the local (in this case the Lancashire) dialect, for writing in any English dialect and for performing in any English dialect. It turned into a celebration of our Nation's literary and spoken heritage! Marvellous!!!

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: sid
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 01:14 PM

HaHa! Aw've fixed mi biscuit!
Na'then 'bubblyrat', if you've got a poem, song or 5 minute story in Cockney rhyme it'll be more than acceptable - I'll look forward to it, (I've never heard it done proper).
SID

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: Rasener
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 01:34 PM

Have you informed Lorretta Rivett, Sid?

If not, I will let her know.

Les

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: sid
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 01:40 PM

Not yet Les, I'm waiting for a reply from all the "Far Welters" that came last year. Pass it on if you would. We've just had a response from the Black Country and all, new for this year.

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: Rasener
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 03:27 PM

Ah the good old Black country. The dialect is the oldest surviving form of the English language.

http://www.ibostin.com/black-country-flag-%E2%80%93-what%E2%80%99s-in-a-name-%E2%80%93-on-the-tips-of-our-tongues/

Just to prove I don't have a slanted view on this.

The Crooked House Gornalwood, Himley, near Dudley Loik

Been there. An amazing experience. http://www.strangestbooks.co.uk/page%2016.html

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: sid
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 11:28 AM

Just liven this up.

Still not heard anything from the south and east of our fair land. Don't tell me they're all lost - c'mon Essex, Kent,Hampshire, Dorset, Devon etc! London anyone? There must be some old books that someone can still read.

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 12:41 PM

But how on earth do they do the judging of who has the "best" dialect?

Wen Ah were a lad i Yo'ksha that cud tell which *villidge* sumbd'y cum fra bi ther deealect, never mind t' east o' t' west o' t' county!

Ah dust tha "judge" tha'?

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: sid
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 04:28 AM

Aye, it's not easy, but to be as fair as possible the judging is carried out by a panel of experts. Academics (linguistics and phonetics) and officials from visiting dialect societies. The judges decision is, of course, final.

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: scowie
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 03:32 AM

Sid owd fettler, con't teh pud mhy namum deawn fer't do.
Ah'l sithee, Scowie.

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: GUEST,MadauntieCat
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 05:32 AM

Slightly odd question for Sid.
Would posthumous submissions be allowed? No,it's not via ouija board!
My late Veythur wrote me many stories in broad Vaaarrrezt, (Forest of Dean) dialect when I was at college. Could I submit a couple to you by e-mail for the day?

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: sid
Date: 11 Apr 10 - 04:26 AM

Certainly, MadauntieCat. the competition categories for writing are for the author to perform, (or a nominated representative with the author present). However, the "performance" category tends to contain lots of items by long dead, mainly Victorian, authors. Come along and do it! I occassionally perform items written by my Owd Dad. Don't forget, an author never "dies" until the last person performs his work!

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: GUEST,SID
Date: 07 Jul 10 - 04:45 AM

Good morning everyone! Thought it about time to bring this back to the top. Venue is confirmed along with support from local council arts dept. Entries and expressions of interest for competitions and concert have started to arrive. We are looking for enthusiasts and performers of England's local dialects who would enjoy spending a day with like-minded souls from across the Country. If you are, or know, one of these, contact me here or at www.thelancashiresociety.org.uk, or see me or any member of the committee at Saddleworth, Sidmouth, Whitby or Fylde and other places over the summer.
All the Best -- SID

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 07 Jul 10 - 09:10 AM

Perhaps the Queen could be induced to submit something in that incomprehensible dialect native to her!

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: scowie
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 12:57 AM

Sid owd fettler! Tha' con ged mi na-um deawn agen, on ah'l 'av u' do.
Ahl sithee, Scowie.

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: GUEST,SID
Date: 08 Aug 10 - 05:05 AM

Howdo everybody! I've just had a great time at Sidmouth and met native speakers from Devon, Somerset, Hampshire,Isle of Wight, Gloucestershire and a real Cockney who can do it!! There's a great deal of latent interest in this subject and now we have a focal point I fancy some will be raiding the dusty depths of their local libraries searching out their own Victorian dialect writings and bringing them back to life.

This years event looks set to be better than ever and then we will need individuals or organisations around the country willing to organise future gatherings in a different area each year. A truly National Celebration of English Dialects!

SID

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: Ann N
Date: 08 Aug 10 - 06:44 PM

Quote:- Rob Naylor '' Wen Ah were a lad i Yo'ksha that cud tell which *villidge* sumbd'y cum fra bi ther deealect, never mind t' east o' t' west o' t' county!''

T'wor wecht street ne'er mind wecht village :) T' north end o't toon had a diffrent accent framt t'east, west, oor t'sooth. Mi Auntie framt 2 mile away wor a furrinerr :)

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 08 Aug 10 - 06:54 PM

Migod. One country, separated by a common language?

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: Liberty Boy
Date: 08 Aug 10 - 06:58 PM

And I thought the Irish and the English were separated by a common language1

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Aug 10 - 11:11 PM

What fun! I hope some of it is taped and shared on youtube!

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: scowie
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 03:46 AM

Ah'm geddin' misel fettled fer winnin' ugen! intit hexitin' idz fer ginz mi' mi' palpitatshuns, tha' mun get yon cup o'thine shiney Sid on tha mun pud mah na-um on id,
Ah'l sithi' owd mon,
Keep thisel eawt o' mischif, on kee-up on 'ee on yer Lizzie!
A'h rememberz thad pint yo' browt mi' wunce. on ah'm geddin' reddy fer unuther!
Hey! owd sowdjer! id wur grond ter lick yon Tykes, durn't fergit t' shew 'um th' Trophy,
Ta Ra Scowie.

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: GUEST,sid
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 02:27 PM

Hello Again!

Any of you lot on here planning to come to this? It's open to the public afternoon & evening (£5 each or £7 all day), we can only get 100 people in the room. Anyone for the competitions or who wants a concert spot please let me know asap.

SID

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: Liberty Boy
Date: 14 Sep 10 - 02:55 AM

Sid, all the very best with this. Absolutely brilliant to keep local dialacts alive!
Jerry

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 05:27 PM

Refresh. Are there any seats left for the evening?

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: Fidjit
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 04:03 PM

Quote Bubblyrat < Cockney Rhyming Slang acceptable ?? Par L'Example ;

" I goes dahn the rub-a-dub-dub for a few Britneys,then I goes 'ome ter me trouble for a Melvyn " .

What's it all abaht > unquote

Nah Ya meen, "Ar ars iz a nars ars ar ars iz"

English translation, "Our house is a nice house our house is".

Chas

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 07:04 PM

Just got in after a wonderful evening; I'm sorry I didn't manage to see the afternoon competition where apparently Sid won two out of the three trophies! There was such a rich variety to savour with so many different accents and dialects; I didn't catch the names of all the performers so I hope Sid will be along to give credit to everyone. But Sid above all deserves congratulations, not only for his performance but also for organising and hosting this. Thanks also to Jim Causley for coming all the way from Devon to support the event. I'm already looking forward to next year's meeting which the East Lincolnshire Dialect Society intend to host in Louth.

Matthew

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: PercyBysshe
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 01:33 PM

Seconded Matthew. What a great event, and I wish I could have been there for the whole thing. Louth sounds rather nice, so I'm tempted to go over to Lincolnshire for next year's gathering. I might even try to learn some songs from my native Gloucestershire (but I've barely got an accent, let alone a dialect)

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 02:20 PM

Glad to hear it went so well! Well done Sid!

Kitty

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: John Routledge
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 03:07 PM

An excellent day with a great atmosphere. Sid is to be congratulated for his perseverance in putting this together.

The afternoon competitions were held in good humour with the performance category attracting 17 entries!!

Jim Causley was in fine form finishing off the evening concert.His set included a glorious rendition of Honiton Lace.

As far as next year is concerned even as a lover of the Lake District the Lincolnshire Wolds are beautiful and not flat at all!!

I hope Lincolnshire 2011 in Louth does materialise. If not it is Northumberland in 2012.

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: Barb'ry
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 05:38 AM

We were really pleased with how well the day went. It started off with the professor of sociolinguistics at Lancaster University, Paul Kerswill, giving a talk about 'London's multicultural cockney: the new voice of the nation', which provoked a lot of discussion!

The three competitions all had a very high standard of entrants with competitors from Lancs, East Lincs, Devon, Cumbria, Durham (John Routledge) and the Black Country. The first competition for writing in any English dialect, was won by Dave Reader (Mrs Scarecrow's husband, I think???) from the Black Country. The second, for writing in Lancashire Dialect, was won by our own Sid Calderbank, and the third, for dialect performance, was again won by Sid... No money changed hands - allegedly!

The evening concert was also excellent, with entrants, competition winners and guest Harry Cowgill, Trio Threlfall and Jim Causley taking part.

Next year, the Dialect Day may be stepping out of Lancashire for the first time as the East Lincolnshire Far Weltered group would like to host it.

Thank you to everyone who took part as competitor, helper or audience.

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: Sooz
Date: 19 Oct 10 - 04:19 AM

Does anyone know what the date will be next year in Louth?

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: Terry McDonald
Date: 19 Oct 10 - 05:00 AM

'But I've barely got an accent, let alone a dialect' - yes, most of us think that about ourselves.

Subject: RE: National English Dialect Day 16 October 2010
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 19 Oct 10 - 02:09 PM

And congrats to Dave Reader too! I hope translations were available...

Kitty