Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?

Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 11:22 AM

Poor Bill. What a sad event. The guy's put up with a lot of kidding from us all over the years. He does have a sense of humour about it though, as anyone who saw the hilarious bit on "Larry Sanders" can attest.

Our sympathies. It'll be a very rough time.
Rick

Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: annamill
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 11:24 AM

MAX SAID:

I use MATH as trigger simply because I associate it with nerd which I also associate with Star Trek. It does not surprise me of the connection between nerds and folkies any longer.

Max, I really don't think Math can be associated with loving SF and/or loving Star Trek. It would, however, explain my total lack of talent with musical instruments. I'm terrible at Math, but have a strong love for anything SF.

Maybe it's from another angle. Maybe some people love SF for the explicit and creative detail many writers express in their stories. This may appeal to the people who have good math skills and consider themselves nerds. Maybe others, like myself, love it for the totally abstract creation of other worlds. It would appeal to the sense of adventure. Creative details, abstract creativity. Interesting thought.

As for nerdizm, well, I don't think I'm a nerd in the true sense of the word. (I have a strong fondness and respect for nerds) While true, I'm a programmer/analyst, it bores me and I only do it for money. I'd much rather be bartending. This also may be explained by my lack of Mathmatical skills.

Maybe it's the same with Folk music. Maybe some love and remember all the facts, details, words, actual music (chords, picking, etc) and the beauty of the stories they tell.

Maybe some of us, like me, cannot remember all the facts, words, technical music, but love the stories and the creativity of the music, and the appreciation of what the former group can do.

Two different types of appreciation? Heck, maybe there's ever more that two types.

Hey, I'm on vacation. I don't have to think!

Love, annap (actually loves thinking)

Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 11:41 AM

Don. I've known Tam now for so long, it's hard to believe he's not a native Torontonian. He is flat out the finest traditional singer in Toronto. AND one of the funniest people I've ever met. He's been through a lot over the last 3 or 4 years, but seems to have weathered it. Mudcatter Michael Miland even ordered a custom Laskin guitar with Tam's "Face" inlayed in pearl on it!! Now that's immortality! If mike stops by this thread perhaps he'll explain it.

rick

Max. English songwriter (and much recorded guy) Harvey Andrews on his last visit to Toronto, seriously took me to task, for decribing myself as a nerd. "That's sooo negative Rick, you should have more confidence in yourself, lad!" I tried to explain that some of us have this weird take on life where we see "the norm" as being somewhat restrictive, and often use self-depricating terms in a kind of hip-positive way - the way two black guys would call each other "nigger", or gay folk would use the word "queer", in a positive way. Kind of taking the ammunition away from those from those who would pump epithets at us.
Poor Harvey, he just couldn't see it! I told him that I'd always loved "unpopular music", and found "weirdos" to be the most interesting friends to have, and he practically had an apoplectic fit! He has no idea why a lot of us use a bit of "code" in our speech-patterns. But it's fun, ain't it?

Rick

Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 11:44 AM

I've been with things folk for my whole life (so far).
I've always loved good Sci-Fi.
But math and this old folkie/trekkie has always been anathema. I mean, I always had to open my fly to count to 22. (see what I mean?)

Art

Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Bert
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 11:49 AM

Not 23?

Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 12:00 PM

Jeez Art I'm really sorry about that. Did it happen in the war?

Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: annamill
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 01:09 PM

Art, you completely disprove the idea that lack of math skills could have anything to do with musical talent. Ok, I'll have to look elsewhere for an excuse for my lack thereof.

Love, annap

Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Annecat
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 09:36 PM

Allright, I don't really have the right to call myself either Trekkie OR Folkie, but I have an aspiring love of both, so I think I'll be so bold as to throw in my two (or three, or four) cents here. I'm not a Voyager fan - find it predictable and I just don't love the characters - but I watch the original series for laughs and the occasional good, good, surprisingly good episode, and I'm really into Next Generation and Deep Space Nine. I think I like them best because there's so much humanity, emotion, real conflict and tough choices...meanwhile it's all set in this background of creative, mind-opening worlds. Makes me appreciate the fruitful minds behind it. I love the episode many of you referred to earlier, where Miles O'Brien (Colm Meaney) sings Minstrel Boy. In fact, that is what single-handedly got me started on the whole folk music thing. No kidding, I just had to learn that song, and then more, and more, and more... Still don't have any clue about most of the songs you guys mention, though I hope to in time. Thanks for listening to me ramble. Oh, and Jeri: Thanks so much for mentioning the Manly Wade Wellman books. I couldn't remember author or title, only that I'd read one of the short stories and have been hoping to someday find the rest by chance. Thanks!!! As far as Sci-fi in general goes, I enjoy it bunches. My BIG interest, though, is really in fantasy: Lord of the Rings, Chronicles of Narnia, Enchanted Forest Chronicles, Anne McCaffrey, Jane Yolen, etc. But it's great to find so many others hopelessly addicted to Trek and other creative works. ~Annecat.

Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: GUEST,el matto
Date: 26 May 00 - 04:40 PM

The episode was "The Wounded", it was Captain Benjamin Maxwell. Just thought you might want to know the exact details. I am 100% sure this is the episode.

Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Mbo
Date: 26 May 00 - 04:43 PM

It is, El Matto. It also reappears in the final episode of Star Trek:Deep Space Nine "What You Leave Behind" in a heart-breaking moment. It almost made me cry.

Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: SDShad
Date: 26 May 00 - 05:21 PM

Well, I come down on the "Babylon 5" side of the Great Fandom Divide, and daily curse Warner's and TNT for all their meddling in B5 and Crusade, but I am and always have been a Star Trek fan as well.

Plus: Tolkien, Orson Scott Card, Dr. Who, Red Dwarf (a bit), Quantum Leap, Sliders, Stargate:SG1, Earth:Final Conflict, Highlander (The Series), Harlan Ellison, Neal Stephenson, Douglas Adams, Guy Gavriel Kay, to name a few.

And while it's been about 10 years since I've done any, I am also a leather carver, Rick, and still have all my tools.

Yep, that's me, Swivel-Knife Shad.

Chris

Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Aug 01 - 02:31 PM

This has got to be the perfect time to refresh this enlightenging thread, thoughtfully launched by Rick Fielding over 2 years ago...

It's original title: "Shatner Sings Dylan"

Somehow the title got changed after that.

- LH

Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 23 Aug 01 - 04:14 PM

How about some rousing Klingon songs to refresh this thread!

Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Aug 01 - 04:26 PM

Great idea! Got lyrics?

- LH

Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Aug 01 - 05:22 PM

puHmeyghom:
bom mu' ghItlhpu' eugene pottIer
QoQ qonpu' pIerre Degeyter
mughwI' challoD

yIbom wa'logh wa'Dich:
Qongvo' pevem vumwI'
peQam Dochmeyrajqama'pu'
Daw'meq maQoyqu' 'ej
lojbej rIntaH ngebwI'poH
Sov muj yIwoD
toy'wI''a'pu' yIQam
DaH lurDech ngo' wIchoH rIntaH 'ej
chuvwi' wIwoDmeH tev wISuq

yIbomqa': maghommoH vajjuppu'
may' Qav wIqaDmoH
tlhInganSegh ghomqu' puHmeyghom

That is The Internationale in Klingon, from thi site where you can also get it in all sorts of other languages, some with audio. Sadly there isn't an audio version of the Klingon rendering.

Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Celtic Soul
Date: 23 Aug 01 - 08:47 PM

I dunno. Would having attended a few conventions, and having watched some of the series make me a "Trekkie"?

I don't think so, but if so, I am both a "Folkie" and a "Trekkie".

Currently, I get no TV at all, so I couldn't watch even if I thought about doing so (which I don't).

Happily living sans television.

Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 23 Aug 01 - 09:32 PM

I'm what I call a "Space Folkie"

*Singing*
"Some people call me a space folkie (fweeet fweeeew)
"Some call me the gangster of love..."

;-)

I'm into all kinds of SPECULATIVE FICTION...

Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: keberoxu
Date: 03 Jun 18 - 11:41 PM

A lot of references on this old thread to
"Amazing" magazine.
Also some to "Analog". I've just been introduced to those things,
which were decades ago, so I missed them the first time around.

Are you all aware that Steven Spielberg, in one of his many ventures
away from the big feature films,
went for "Amazing Stories"?
He has stated in at least one interview,
that when he was very young,
his father would read to him from "Amazing Stories."

So Spielberg attempted a re-iteration, I think for the small screen.
There are people in television-land attempting to continue,
although Spielberg has moved on since.

And the reason this got my attention in the first place:
I have been watching, on and off,
the ABC network fantasy show "Once Upon A Time" -- lasted seven seasons, just ended.
The "Once Upon A Time" showrunners were Adam Horowitz and Eddy Kitsis,
who were alumnae of the network show "Lost", of its writers that is.

Although Horowitz and Kitsis have said that they need a little break
to catch their breath and be around their families
after seven straight years of weekly television episode writing,
there is now a "TV-Line" report

that "Amazing Stories," whatever TV people have it now,
have approached Kitsis and Horowitz to work there.
This is not a main network though -- something online instead?

Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Jun 18 - 06:44 PM

I was positive I replied to this a couple days ago but I don't see it herenow. I remember the Spielberg "Amazing Stories" show as a good one although none of the episodes stick in my mind. What does stick is the intro, where some hale examples of 'early man' around a campfire listen in rapture to a skinny oldster obviously spinning a yarn with gesticulations. Then the photo computer graphics of the 80s take the images into various story configurations including into the future.

Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: GUEST,keberoxu
Date: 06 Jun 18 - 07:48 PM

You're correct, robomatic.
That is a newer thread in the BS section
which was the first thread you responded to.

Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 06 Jun 18 - 07:55 PM

Folklore: Sources of Fairy Tales

Darmok

Works for me.

Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Jun 18 - 09:50 AM

Totz. When I was on my (cough, cough) Star Trek cruise, there were people with portable instruments everywhere.

Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 09 Jun 18 - 01:52 PM

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