Dick Miles English concertina rolls

Subject: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 11:26 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccsS6HMsyYM
fasten the legging, with various ornamentation for english concertinists,see my concertina tutor at ww.dickmiles.com

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 11:43 AM

or this . For a variety of informed opinions.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 11:58 AM

Peter,I hope you havent misunderstood,I did not mean it is the only way but merely one way,do you play the English Concertina,I thought you were a piper?

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 12:04 PM

Dick, you rehash your subjects regularly, it's just a link to a previous discussion on the subject. One you have alluded to here a few times as a you know. Whether or not I play English concertina doesn't seem relevant.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 12:16 PM

Sorry,Peter,I didnt understand what you were trying to say.
no, you are quite right it isnt relevant unless you wish to make a comment on the playing of a certain instrument,for example I would not comment on the intracicies of good bodhran playing because i dont play the instrument,neither would I comment on how to achieve techniques on the flute[apart from breathing,of which I have some experience from singing],hope you are keeping well and getting out playing,I enjoyed your playing when I have heard you at different times.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 01:45 PM

As with many English foods, I find the Concertina Rolls a bit heavy from an excess of flour and altogether typically bland and lacking character. While a Sourdough is also heavy it has the strong taste and wonderful texture the English Concertina rolls lack.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: GUEST,richie
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 02:04 PM

Might have been more helpfull to actually see the instrument being played as opposed to the video mugshot

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 02:09 PM

I enjoyed your playing when I have heard you at different times.

I have received messages from you saying quite the opposite. Have the public goodwill face on today Dick?

I am out of here. Good luck.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 07:45 PM

guest richie,it is a bit difficult to photograph both sides of the instrument
Peter,I dont recall criticising your playing.
I repeat the recordings of you I have heard I have enjoyed,when have I Criticised your music?,and what has your music got to do with this thread.
if I have criticised your music which I cant recall,why do you persist in stalking me.
I cant recall criticising you but if I have,that is part and parcel of being in the public eye.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 09:24 PM

Are we talking about concertinaing rolls, or rolling concertinas?

Robin
A multi-instrumentalist and general clown...

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: Artful Codger
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 11:40 PM

I won a second place in the Concertina Roll at our last village fete. It was one of the more popular events, next to the Cat-apult.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: treewind
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 02:47 AM

I hope it didn't roll too far away.
Those 12 sided Lachenal Edeophones are buggers for rolling off the table.
As for self promotion, wouldn't "Dick Miles concertina rocks" be more impressive?

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 03:16 AM

My Wheatstone is hexagonal and therefore stays on the table quite successfully. My keyless fife, however, could get itself a profitable second income as a spirit level, as it makes a determined break for the edge of the table on the slightest incline.

I was recently alarmed to read in Grey Larsen's book that I've been playing crans on the flute all wrong for many years (and not only that, but Grey goes out of his way to point out the wrong way that people are being taught them, and illustrates exactly how I was taught them!) Would that somebody would put the years of work into producing a concertina tutor that anywhere near matched the depth, precision and obsessive attention to detail that Grey Larsen's 'Essential guide to flute and tin whistle' shows on every page.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: theleveller
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 04:07 AM

"apart from breathing,of which I have some experience from singing"

LOL! Most people's experience merely comes from being alive!

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 07:38 AM

roling concertinas is a serious problem if you have an ediephone.
sfmans,
I think my concertina tutor is prety detailed when it comes to song accompaniment,in fact the two tutors have some twenty songs: some of them showing two different accompaniments for one song,that constitues fairly detailed,in fact I cant think of another tutor for the english concertina that is as strong on song accompaniment.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 08:20 AM


sfmans,
I think my concertina tutor is prety detailed when it comes to song accompaniment,in fact the two tutors have some twenty songs: some of them showing two different accompaniments for one song,that constitues fairly detailed,in fact I cant think of another tutor for the english concertina that is as strong on song accompaniment.


I wasn't aware we were talkinmg about song accompaniment, but I've got your song tutor Dick: it comprises one double page of musical chord theory, followed by the transcriptions of your song arrangements.

You cannot have seen Grey Larsen's book if you think you can remotely compare the two in depth, comprehensiveness, or presentation.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: GUEST,surreysinger at work
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 08:31 AM

Hmm .... thanks for the tips on rolling Edeophones. I can see I shall have to be careful when I have got mine tweaked and am finally using it. In view of the fact that the cheese rolling was cancelled this year, maybe somebody should consider concertina rolling as the new replacement ?

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 08:45 AM

sfmans, I did not say that, did I,
I said
I think my concertina tutor is pretty detailed when it comes to song accompaniment,in fact the two tutors have some twenty songs: some of them showing two different accompaniments for one song,that constitues fairly detailed,in fact I cant think of another tutor for the english concertina that is as strong on song accompaniment.
there is no other english concertina tutor as far as I am aware that has as much in depth song accompaniment, sfmans
please tell me one that has.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 09:01 AM

No, Dick, I am not personally aware of any other tutor book which covers the subject of song accompaniment on the concertina, other than that produced by yourself.

I apologise for any upset or distress I have accidentally caused you.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 09:47 AM

sfmans ,thankyou.
no,not being a flute player I have not seen Greys book,it sounds like an excellent book.
I have put up a lot of my songs and some tunes on youtube,this was done to make it easier for people who wished to learn from the tutors or even those who dont wish to buy a tutor,but who wish to learn,I dont make a penny out of putting things up on you tube.
I do remember how difficult it was working on my own [when I was a beginner]and how little there was to help newbies,and merely want to help other people,however my genorosity seems to be misunderstood[idont mean you sfmans]as bigheadeness or some other thing,however I will persist mainly because I remember very clearly wondering how the f### do you accompany songs or how do you do this or that technique,through much endeavour and over a long time I worked it out,if other peoples musical journeys are made easier,then its worth it.Dick Miles

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 10:22 AM

Getting a bit paranoid, are we, Dick ?

Enjoy your worms.

PS - no axe to grind - I try to play the Anglo. Certain Morris Sides don't seem to mind.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 10:48 AM

Don't forget regional variations, Dick. When you are next in Swinton you will need concertina balm cakes instead of rolls...

:D

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: Will Fly
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 11:51 AM

... and concertina oatcakes in Stoke...

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 11:55 AM

I try and avoid stoke on trent.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Apr 10 - 08:19 AM

Another alternative is to play a trill,this can be five notes the notelets say a [b] note followed by a grace note c,the b note another grace note c then the note b.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: Paul Burke
Date: 11 Apr 10 - 02:21 PM

One of the best ways (in my horrible opinion) to work out ornamentations is to try to play it as some other instrument would- so Irish piping pops and crans and ghost notes, fiddlers' gurrs, Sligo flute liquidity, melodeon broken runs etc. can all be imitated by other instruments to which they are not native. Though don't go as far as that rather horrible Scots trope of doing Highland bagpipe on the fiddle.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: Artful Codger
Date: 11 Apr 10 - 04:20 PM

There's also the sconecertina.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 12 Apr 10 - 04:07 AM

I have to play my sconecertina sitting on the table - It's so heavy, cause my Aunty Jean baked it...

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 10 - 04:15 AM

Is that the same Aunty Jean that used to host Tingha and Tucker, the two little bears. Along with Willie Wombat and Katie Kookabora?

Ho, ho, Auunty Jean

DeG

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 12 Apr 10 - 05:12 AM

No - we never got that in Australia - EVERYBODY has an Aunty Jean...
oh course, we never called her by that name, cause her name was always something different...
:-)

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Sep 10 - 12:44 PM

here is a mixture of rolls and trills, using a whistle style roll, eaede, cutting with strong index finger, just a different way of doing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=127LHcXaGdI

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Sep 10 - 12:45 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=127LHcXaGdI

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: Vic Smith
Date: 05 Sep 10 - 12:54 PM

Artful Dodger said:-
"There's also the sconecertina."

Has anyone got a good concertina accompaniment for The Banks of the Sweet Dundee Cake? Something to bring out the fruity quality of the song.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: Vic Smith
Date: 05 Sep 10 - 01:07 PM

For "Dodger" read "Codger"!

Subject: RE: Dick Miles English concertina rolls
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Sep 10 - 05:33 PM

no, but i hava a good concertina accompaniment for putting a bun in the oven.