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Young UK Folk Duo Want Gigs In USA

Rob Naylor 13 Apr 10 - 04:22 PM
stallion 13 Apr 10 - 04:31 PM
GUEST,JM 13 Apr 10 - 05:25 PM
Rob Naylor 13 Apr 10 - 05:30 PM
Rob Naylor 13 Apr 10 - 05:31 PM
Murray MacLeod 13 Apr 10 - 05:45 PM
RTim 13 Apr 10 - 07:17 PM
RTim 13 Apr 10 - 07:19 PM
johnadams 13 Apr 10 - 07:30 PM
Murray MacLeod 18 Apr 10 - 03:24 AM
DebC 18 Apr 10 - 04:33 AM
Murray MacLeod 18 Apr 10 - 07:24 AM
Rob Naylor 18 Apr 10 - 08:02 AM
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Subject: Young UK Folk Duo Want Gigs In USA
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 13 Apr 10 - 04:22 PM

I went to see Katriona Gilmore and Jamie Roberts at Tunbridge Wells last night. I've known Katriona for a while having seen her play with Tiny Tin Lady a few times, and having put them on as a promoter in Tun Wells last year (and spent most of the next day getting ratted with the girls in Wetherspoons), but it was the first time I've seen Jamie play live..."Trace Bundy on acid" might describe his technique :-)

Chatting to them afterwards they're very keen to play some gigs in the USA. I think they're looking at combining something of a holiday with playing at a few venues, mainly east coast areas, I think. Does anyone have any advice on how they would go about getting bookings at appropriately sized venues where their sort of music would go down well? Would they need to engage a US Agent? They're not looking for big fees...probably in some places they'd play just for the experience. I guess if they're playing anything other than casually they'd need some kind of performance permission as foreign musicians?

Some samples of their music here:
Gilmore Roberts music samples

Any advice will be passed on (and appreciated).


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Subject: RE: Young UK Folk Duo Want Gigs In USA
From: stallion
Date: 13 Apr 10 - 04:31 PM

Try New York Pinewoods


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Subject: RE: Young UK Folk Duo Want Gigs In USA
From: GUEST,JM
Date: 13 Apr 10 - 05:25 PM

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but they'd need a visa - you can try to get away with playing without one, but if you get caught you'll be deported and banned from the US for 10 years. And US Visas are HUGELY expensive and a paperwork nightmare these days (since 9/11 costs have soared). They will need someone in the US to file a petition on their behalf, and you need to provide proof that you are "notable in your field" to even get an interview at the embassy. Its pretty soul destroying.

As I say - you can risk it, but it could go pretty wrong if they get caught.

Good luck!


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Subject: RE: Young UK Folk Duo Want Gigs In USA
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 13 Apr 10 - 05:30 PM

JM: Thanks. Yeah, I thought there might be some requirement like that. I know they won't want to risk a ban from the USA.

I guess jamming or joining informal sessions for no reward might be a different kettle of fish?


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Subject: RE: Young UK Folk Duo Want Gigs In USA
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 13 Apr 10 - 05:31 PM

Stallion: Thanks. I've forwarded that to them, but in the light of JM's info I think they'll have to tread carefully.


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Subject: RE: Young UK Folk Duo Want Gigs In USA
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 13 Apr 10 - 05:45 PM

I would take the opposite view from GUEST JM and say "go for it".

I had extensive experience of the US immigration system during my years there, and believe me, they ain't that smart.

The chances of being "caught" (by whom ?) and deported are so remote as to be non-existent. To be "caught" somebody would have to actually report you to the immigration service, and that's not going to happen.

This is from one who worked cash in hand for years in the US before becoming legit (and some of it from paid gigs as well).

My advice would be to set up a few house concerts , enter the US on a tourist visa waiver, tell the immigration boys that you are attending a few festivals, just for fun and to jam along, (should they ask about the instruments) and you will be right as rain.


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Subject: RE: Young UK Folk Duo Want Gigs In USA
From: RTim
Date: 13 Apr 10 - 07:17 PM

Take better advice than - "Go for it!" - If caught the penalties are great, and you don't want that on your record!! I know someone from Canada who tried it, lost out and was Banned for 5 years from even entering again.
And Folk Music doesn't need the repute!

Tim Radford
Woods Hole MA USA (ex-Pat englishman)


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Subject: RE: Young UK Folk Duo Want Gigs In USA
From: RTim
Date: 13 Apr 10 - 07:19 PM

I Should Add - Go to Canada, you don't need the same visa, and there are good clubs and festivals there.

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Young UK Folk Duo Want Gigs In USA
From: johnadams
Date: 13 Apr 10 - 07:30 PM

There are people who are expert in this field and know all the issues. Tell them to send an email to Jacey Bedford and ask her advice including joining the professional performers network Britfolk.

Katriona and Jamie are a good duo (I'm including a track of theirs on my next radio show) and if they go about it the right way they could do well in North America.

... and I agree with Tim's comments about Canada. It does seem a tad easier from what I've heard.


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Subject: RE: Young UK Folk Duo Want Gigs In USA
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 03:24 AM

I would be interested to hear further details of your Canadian friend who was caught and deported and banned for five years, Tim.

How did he get caught ?

Was he stopped at the border and caught with a load of CDs and flyers, or did someone report him to the authorities following a live performance ? I have had experience myself of the draconian guards on the Canadian border, (driving back home from the Celtic Colours festival) and you don't want to give these guys the slightest impression that you are a Canadian out to make a few illicit bucks in the States.

Life's a game of chance, I took the risks and got away with it, but I was smart enough not to take unwarranted risks.

At the end of the day, you have to decide whether the risk/reward ratio is working in your favour, but I would re-iterate my former statement that it is much more probable that this young couple would not get caught than that they would get caught, if they play their cards right.


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Subject: RE: Young UK Folk Duo Want Gigs In USA
From: DebC
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 04:33 AM

Murray-things have changed A LOT in the USA since you lived there, especially after 9/11.

I would also caution against discussing in a public forum methods for "sneaking" into foreign countries to work. By discussing this here with the names of the performers one could raise flags with immigration officials.

I am a US citizen who works in the UK (and I am still here due to the ash cloud). I used to "sneak" in to do gigs, but no more. Immigration officials DO check websites and can Google right there at the desk. This happened to a friend of mine from the US who tried to enter the UK to play ONE festival and he wasn't even getting paid. He was let in after officials were finally convinced that he was not getting paid.

If Gilmore and Roberts want to play in the USA, they should talk to some UK performers who come across regularly. I would suggest Brian Peters, Pete Morton, Jez Lowe for example.

It's getting harder and harder to sneak in to countries to work. It can be done, but one has to be very very careful.

Debra Cowan


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Subject: RE: Young UK Folk Duo Want Gigs In USA
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 07:24 AM

Yes, Deb, I suppose a lot has changed since my day.

The best way to get legit, is of course to marry a citizen of the country, you get your Social Security number the very same day, but I don't suppose that is an option in most cases ...


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Subject: RE: Young UK Folk Duo Want Gigs In USA
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 08:02 AM

Thanks everyone for the advice. It's been passed on, including the now draconian penalties for trying to sneak in.

I suspect they'll be talking to a few people. I know one person they talked to but I think he gets in because he's "notable in his field" which may not *quite yet* apply to Katriona and Jamie.


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Subject: RE: Young UK Folk Duo Want Gigs In USA
From: Brian Peters
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 11:15 AM

"How did he get caught ?"

Murray, things like an artist's concert schedule tend to be very public and very accessible these days. I always travel legit but, even when presented with a valid work permit, immigration staff can ask a lot of hard questions. And you never know what they can see on the monitor in front of them.

Canada does not require a work permit for a musician who is performing concerts of a 'cultural' nature (a festival, or a dedicated traditional music venue), with a contract that states exactly that. Plain old bar gigs or house concerts aren't looked on so kindly, I believe.

Hi Deb - I'm stuck in England when I should be on a three-week US tour, which is rapidly turning to dust.


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Subject: RE: Young UK Folk Duo Want Gigs In USA
From: Fidjit
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 12:54 PM

Oooer.

I did it all wrong then last October when I went to San Francisco to visit my Daughter. I played loads of places. No money changed hands, but I was well looked after. Didn't think I was breaking any laws.

Must have a re-think about the next visit then.

Chas


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