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Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April

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Subject: Flights across UK severe disruption 15/4
From: The Smiler
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 02:00 AM

In case Mudcatters haven't seen the news this morning on BBC UK

Just seen the news on BBC UK this morning and all flights seem to have been cancelled today in Scotland due to the volcanic ash floating over the UK. They are now saying that literally every airport in England, Wales and Ireland will face bad disruption.

So anybody picking people up from airports should keep an eye out as well as those flying today.

Seems like Schiphol (Amsterdam) and Belgium are also affected.

This the link to the BBC website, although it is well behind the live broadcasting on TV
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8621407.stm


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15/4
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 02:19 AM

Wow. I know what that's like. In Oregon and Alaska both, eruptions have at times severely curtailed air travel due to volcanic ash. Car engines can also take a bad hit.

Good luck

Eb


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: The Smiler
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 02:29 AM

They say it's in the upper atmosphere.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: MartinRyan
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 03:01 AM

While waiting to go on stage at a concert in Spiddal, near Galway in the west of Ireland yesterday evening, I was struck by the curious colour of the sunset. Even by the spectacular standards of Galway Bay, it was very striking. Looks like I now know why!

Regards


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Rowan
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 03:02 AM

They say it's in the upper atmosphere.

Which is the altitude at which most intercontinental aircraft fly. Some years ago an Oz pilot over Indonesia had all four engines clag up with ash from Meraki coating the turbine blades and the aircraft dropped to about 3000' (as I recall) before he could 'jump start' any of them.

And nobody was equipped with bicycle clips, either.

Cheers, Rowan


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 03:05 AM

When Mt. St. Helens blew in Washington State, our skies in Wyoming clouded up and our cars were covered with ash. Anyone with heart or respiratory problems had to stay in for several days.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: GUEST,suzi
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 03:28 AM

Hope Skarpi is ok. x


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Arnie
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 05:06 AM

I'm sure that on a separate thread, Skarpi told us that it was only a small volcano and not to worry! At the moment, every airport in the UK is closed for business because of the ash causing massive disruption. Skarpi mentioned that the small volcano could set off a larger one next to it - has that happened? Also, we've been predicted a long, hot summer in the UK - will this ash ruin it for us?


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Arnie
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 05:10 AM

Further to my above posting, I've just seen the latest message from Skarpi. I hadn't realised things were that bad in Iceland following the latest eruption. I hope Skarpi and his fellow Icelanders come through this safely - puts our flight and weather problems into perspective!


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 05:35 AM

"Also, we've been predicted a long, hot summer in the UK"

I bet you believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden too, Arnie! :-) LOL!


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 05:40 AM

These Icelanders, eh? First they ruin our banks, then they ruin our flights, next it will be our weather. Send a gunboat!

RtS


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 06:02 AM

You forgot about them ruining the Hull and Grimsby fishing industry too, Roger.

It's Retribution on a Grand Scale! :-) :-)


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: The Smiler
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 07:16 AM

Been trying to help my friends who were flying to Malta this afternoon from Luton Airport.
They had to get the train from Lincolnshire this morning at 8, so too early to know if their flight would go.
Managed to get through to Ryanair about half an hour ago and they said that it would be unlikely if any flights resumed much before midday tomorrow.
The first available flight to Malta on Saturday.
I just caught them at Loughborough train station, just before they boarded the train to Luton. So they are now on there way back home.
Ryanair were very good, becuase they said that there was little point going to the airport and they would book them on the next available flight or (wow) give them their money back.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 07:36 AM

My colleague's stuck in Holland, no flights to H/side from Schiphol. He's trying to get on P&O Rotterdam - Hull, but I'd bet everyone else is too!

I blame Gordon Brown.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: The Smiler
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 08:08 AM

Absolutely and the Bankers :-)


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 08:35 AM

Yep, them too! :-)


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: SINSULL
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 08:37 AM

Multiple threads on this. Maybe a clone can combine them.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: The Smiler
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 09:19 AM

Well the other threads are about Iceland and Skarpi.
This thread is about UK airspace and flights.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 09:36 AM

We flew home from Malaga in the south of Spain on an Aer Lingus flight last night - very lucky as they are all cancelled today.

Incidentally, despite a brand new terminal at Malaga Airport, boaring was a shambles for our flight - you would think they would get it right, not helped to some extent by the mob trying to board Ryanair and Easyjet flights in the same section!


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Emma B
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 09:45 AM

By this morning, the disruption to air traffic stretched from the UK to Scandinavia.

"Airspace was shut down to all but emergency flights from midday to 1800BST (1100-1700 GMT) in the UK.
It was also closed in Ireland.
Oslo airport, which is Norway's largest, was closed, while Finland's airport agency Finavia said air traffic to northern Sweden and northern Finland was also affected
In Denmark, officials said airspace would be closed from 1800 (1600 GMT).
There were also reports of major disruption expected in the Netherlands, Germany and Belgium."

BBC report

The British Lung Foundation's spokesman has recommended anyone living with a lung condition to carry their medication as a precaution although does not feel it poses a major health hazard


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Emma B
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 10:18 AM

map of areas affected by ash fallout


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 10:38 AM

There are problems for people also because the disruption of flights is causing a flood of travellers trying to book on ferries and Eurostar (it's alleged!). My colleague has been unable to get a booking on either of those - all booked up tonight. Just had a message from him that the earliest he can get a booking on Eurostar is Sunday!


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 11:20 AM

I think that had we been flying back today from Malaga we would have seen the problem on the internet (we always take our laptop abroad, and extended our stay in the hotel as necessary.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: The Smiler
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 12:54 PM

I am sure he will enjoy himself in Amsterdam BWM :-)

Dutch and Belgium Airspace closed and France looks as though it is heading in the same direction.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: open mike
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 01:01 PM

When the forest fire in this area created a lot of ash, people were advised to wear masks...which were available at drug stores and also at hardware stores...(in the paint dept.)..the ones that protected from particles the best are N-95.

When Mt. St. Helens blew up there was ash several inches deep as far away as Idaho and Montana, 1000 miles. people collected it and you can still find "souveniers" in bottles, test tubes, etc.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: The Smiler
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 01:39 AM

No flights until at least 19:00 today (Friday) UK time.

From little snippets in the news, there seems a possibilty that the ash may still be over the Uk over the weekend, or did I miss hear that.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 02:46 AM

The famous Galunggung gliding club


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 02:55 AM

Btw, something like 100 planes over the years have had engine trouble from volcanic ash - including at least 2 from St Helens - which is why no planes will fly till the sky clears of volcanic ash.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 04:43 AM

And the news this morning reports that the "no fly" area has now drifted (extended to) as far as Poland.

John


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 05:12 AM

One of the problems with airport checkin areas is lack of seating. Certainly at Malaga airport I counted possibly 20 seats and there are 75+ check desks - result.....chaos!!


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 05:59 AM

Latest news - UK flights grounded until at least 0100 tomorrow (17 April).

DeG


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Suffet
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 07:57 AM

Greetings:

We are watching these developments with great concern from here in North America as well. Anne Price and I begin a mini-tour of the London area with our respective spouses on May 6, and we fear our plans may be in jeopardy. But while that is important to us personally, it is only a minor concern compared to the great economic disruption that has already occurred and which can substantially worsen in very short order.

Beyond that are the potentially large scale agricultural, public health, and social disasters waiting to happen. The news commentators are already talking about a similar eruption in Iceland in 1783-1784 that killed about one-fifth to one-quarter of that country's human population, up to one-half of its livestock, and which may have contributed to the death of as many as 20,000 people in Ireland, Great Britain, and on the Continent.

--- Steve


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: black walnut
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 01:15 PM

I'm supposed to be flying to London from Canada on Monday. Somehow I have my doubts....oh well, better late than never, I suppose.

~b.w.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: The Smiler
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 01:21 PM

Good luck with that BW


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: black walnut
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 02:06 PM

Thanks. It is a little bit disconcerting.   I'm just about all packed ~ just a couple more items to put in the knapsack. But it's all up to the jet stream at the moment, isn't it? And whether the volcano blows again? It's a long flight over and anything could happen between Toronto and London. Amazing to be at the mercy of nature. It's a good lesson.

~b.w.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: bubblyrat
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 03:20 PM

This sort of thing (volcanos erupting ) has been going on for millions of years,and we ain't dead yet ; we just never relied on air-travel (or any sort of travel) before ----what's the panic ??


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: The Smiler
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 03:32 PM

As long as my daughter gets home in 2 weeks. Otherwise Skarpi is in big big trouble :-)


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: GUEST,Seaking
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 04:11 PM

The entire UK offshore Oil and Gas industry is equally affected as there have been no helicopter flights since Wednesday. I'm due off next Tuesday so hopefully the situation will be improved by then and the backlog of flights cleared. I feel for those currently unable to return to shore for urgent family matters, compassionates etc.

Chris


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Jack Campin
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 04:14 PM

This sort of thing (volcanos erupting ) has been going on for millions of years,and we ain't dead yet ; we just never relied on air-travel (or any sort of travel) before ----what's the panic??

Look up what the Laki eruption of 1783-4 did.

It blew up before in the 930s on an even bigger scale.

For something really big to worry about, look up the eruption of Toba in Sumatra about 70,000 years ago. That came close to making humans extinct. And it's on the same fault where several major volcanic/seismic events have happened in recent decades, like the 2004 earthquake/tsunami. That's just the sort of thing you'd expect in the leadup to a supervolcano eruption.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: The Smiler
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 04:21 PM

Are we doomed Jack?


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 05:41 PM

We are certainly doomed... we just don't know the time scale yet.....and whether it will be an asteroid, volcano, the Sun going nova...or North Korea getting hold of some fireworks.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: The Smiler
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 05:47 PM

Oh Dear


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 03:16 AM

Tinfoil hats on, chaps!

My colleague got home from Holland a day late, after commandeering a car from a Dutch colleague, driving from 'sGravendeel to Calais, going through the tunnel, then catching a train from Ashford to London, then London to home.

I tried most of the day to register a claim for a refund of his air-fare from KLM - the website had no mechanism for doing it, and the answering machine messages said that their customer-service and claims offices were closed!

I say let's nuke Iceland. It's all their fault! :-) :-)


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: The Smiler
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 03:58 AM

LOL

He was lucky to get on a tunnel train. He certainly did well.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 11:50 AM

Who was on the last flight into the UK on Wednesday night? We arrived at Gatwick from Malaga at 23:20. But flights were still arriving as the queue at immigration never got any shorter!


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 12:35 PM

I found a link to the Met Office running update of the dust cloud and its forecast location for the next day. VOLCANIC DUST FORECAST UK.
I am not planning on flying anywhere at present.
Quack!
Geoff the Duck.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: GUEST,PeterC
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 12:59 PM

Totally clear sky all day today. Normally by this time in the afternoon the vapour trails would be turning into a thin sheet of cloud.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: G-Force
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 01:08 PM

If we nuked Iceland, where do you think the fallout would go?


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: bubblyrat
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 01:38 PM

Both Henley & Marlow are on Heathrow flight-paths (more or less) ,so the skies around here have been blissfully quiet for the past few days, although RAF Benson's Merlins & other "Helos" don't seem to be unduly affected,nor the noisy little glider -tugs from Booker,about a mile away ! Let's return to civilised transport,ie sailing ships and steamers,that's what I say !


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: skarpi
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 01:48 PM

hallo my friends , here is the reason no flights are aloud

http://www.visir.is/article/20100417/FRETTIR01/772927764

those pictures are taken at noon on a bright daylight under neath
the eruption ..and I know people are not happy about this all
but think about this , if this small volcano can make all those problems over the world ,
how hard is it gonna be if yellowstone goes up ?

I hope this will stop soon , just an hour ago I was watching
a live camera from the volcano
http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-thorolfsfelli/

I it stopped for a moment and then púff again ...

sorry I came in here .....

all the best from Skarpi ...


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Seayaker
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 07:50 PM

Living near Stratford on Avon we are near Birmingham and Coventry Airports and under the flightpath for Heathrow etc. Walking the dog this morning it was lovely and quiet.

I've no complaints


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 08:06 PM

Saw a report earlier on TV that mentioned that since much fresh fruit and veges are flown in to Britain and Europe from elsewhere, there are now massive shortages of same. Proof of the greedy narrow mindedness and short sightedness of profit makers.

I have said for a long time that if a market exceeds more than a 10% level in anything that is not local, whether exports or imports, when the shit hits the fan, many will get hurt (Food, Tourism, 'Education', etc). Grow Local, and enjoy a very small amount of 'luxuries' is merely common sense...


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 08:29 PM

"This sort of thing (volcanos erupting ) has been going on for millions of years,and we ain't dead yet ; we just never relied on air-travel (or any sort of travel) before ----what's the panic ??"

The panic is now that we DO...


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Rowan
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 12:55 AM

sorry I came in here .....
all the best from Skarpi ...


Don't you go all apologetic on us skarpi. You just look after yourself.
But it'd be nice if you were able to keep posting links to what's happening in your neck of the woods.

The lack of flights into or out of Europe has by now created a backlog of stranded Europe-bound passengers in Singapore and Bangkok. I gather the Australians among them are being offered free seats to return to Oz by some airlines.

And thanks, Robin, for the link to the info on Flight BA 009; that was the one I mistakenly referred in my earlier post.

Cheers, Rowan


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: GUEST,Abdul home at last
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 02:21 AM

We wre returning to UK on what turned out to be the last flight of the day allowed to continue from Dubai and were diverted to Charles De Gaulle airport in Paris (France, as our colonial cousins are wont to say).

Anyone know why the Pakistani and Filipino passport holders should be separated at the passport control desk after a lengthy onboard passport check?

Al


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 04:30 AM

"This sort of thing (volcanos erupting ) has been going on for millions of years,and we ain't dead yet ; we just never relied on air-travel (or any sort of travel) before ----what's the panic ??"

In the far distant past, volcanic activity has caused huge wipeouts of creatures. IT HAPPENED BEFORE - IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN!


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 12:50 PM

I just wonder how much the Health and Safety nutters have taken over the flight shut down. It would not surprise me one little bit.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: bubblyrat
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 02:40 PM

It now seems that Lufthansa,KLM,and possibly others,are getting impatient,launching their own exploratory test-flights, and claiming that no real threat to airliner safety exists ! Whereas the recent British sampling-flight has detected,albeit in small quantities,different types of identifiable volcanic detritus at various altitudes, and warned against flying through / into it.
    An over -reaction by the "Health & Safety Nutters" may well have ensued, but I for one wouldn't risk it ; would YOU ?? But I guess someone will, and there may yet be tears....


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 03:42 PM

The historian and broadcaster, Dan Snow has returned to Dover from Calais, with about 25 stranded travellers he rescued using three motorboats.

His rescue mission used rigid inflatable boats, known as 'ribs'.

He has crossed the Channel to help those affected by flight restrictions, but he said the French police had ordered him not to return.

Typical of French red tape!!


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 04:27 PM

I am hoping my partner can get home on Wednesday after visiting her friends and family in Prague,


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Bainbo
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 04:37 PM

The rest of mainland Europe is ok. They can get about by train, car, bus etc. Here in the UK, in my island nation, I'm starting to feel isolated - cut off from the rest of the world.

You don't suppose this ash is just a smokescreen (so to speak) and there's something they're not telling us? That we're infected or something? Or just unpopular? Ever see the film 28 Days Later?...


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 06:59 PM

"why the Pakistani and Filipino passport holders should be separated at the passport control desk after a lengthy onboard passport check?"

I suspect that at least, it might be due to the fact that their nations are not part of the EU?


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: black walnut
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 08:42 PM

I guess I find out tomorrow if my ticket to London is going to carry me there for Tuesday morning. I'm not very optimistic, although my bags are packed.

~b.w.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Suffet
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 04:12 AM

Greetings:

I am beginning to fear that my long planned visit to the UK with my musical partner Anne Price, our respective spouses, and another couple may not happen. So far our plans remain unchanged, but so does the closure of UK airspace. Sooner or later one or the other will have to give way. And as each update passes, later becomes sooner.

--- Steve


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 04:34 AM

News reports in the US (Sunday) predict that about 50% of scheduled flights in affected parts of Europe may be able to resume by "sometime Monday." While the reports don't give many specifics, it would be expected that the first flights will be those that can be (profitably) flown at lower altitudes where the dust is less dense.

The airlines have apparently been sending out "scout planes" to explore which routes are usable, and for the most part have reported "no problems" for the routes they've tested.

It remains for the regulatory agencies to lift the official ban before commercial carriers can legally fly in the ban areas, so politics still may govern when effective relief for the strandees can begin.

John


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Stu
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 04:50 AM

"The airlines have apparently been sending out "scout planes" to explore which routes are usable, and for the most part have reported "no problems" for the routes they've tested."

Not exactly: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/

This poses an interesting problem; this is a natural catastrophe, and will capitalism be able to rise to the task of dealing with it effectively? The omens are not good as stranded passengers are being give the usual airline treatment of being ignored or infrequent impersonal communications, and the focus is moving to the economic rather than human cost. There seems to be some pressure from the airlines on NATS to allow some flights, and given the contempt the government and the media hold science in these days it remains to be seen whether caution or cost prevail.

For those of us living under busy flightpaths, it's been a once-in-a-lifetime chance to see clear blue skies sans vapour trails or roaring jets. That said, let's hope this clears soon and those people can get home.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 06:04 AM

Reminiscent of the famous, perhaps apocryphal, British newspaper headline which once read "Fog in Channel; Continent Cut Off".


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Mr Happy
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 09:06 AM

A news item I saw featured a scientific exploratory flight using a propeller driven aircraft.

Is it only jetplanes affected by the ash?


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 10:05 AM

No foolestroupe it can't be that, the flight was from Dubai with many other nationalities aboard.
Al


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: black walnut
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 10:29 AM

The latest word from my travel agent is that it is "unlikely" that I will be leaving tonight for London, or any time soon. So I'm just waiting now for the official cancellation of my flight.

~b.w.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Maryrrf
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 11:02 AM

I feel really bad for everybody who has been affected. I'm still hoping Brian Peters can make it for his Richmond concert this Saturday, but it's looking doubtful. Being a lover of Child ballads - I've been looking forward to this one ever since we booked him. But I truly feel for the pour souls who are stuck far from home with no idea when they'll get back. Now people's money is starting to run out...Yikes! . I've experienced weather delays and had to spend a couple of nights in airports - but nothing like this!


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: MikeL2
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 11:54 AM

Hi

I just heard that the British Government have called in the Navy to help.

They are sending three large ships - The Ark Royal and two others to Spain and France.

So now it's a mad dash to get people to Santander or Calais.

My wife's sister lives near Granada in Southern Spain and they are beeing bused to Santander as I type.

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: black walnut
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 12:55 PM

I'm rebooked for a flight to London very early tomorrow morning, arriving evening. Will it or won't it, that is the question. It's not life or death, it's just that I'm packed and running out of good clothes to wear here. :-)

~b.w.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: MikeL2
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 03:18 PM

Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: black walnut - PM
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 12:55 PM

Hi

Just heard that UK airspace will be opened tomorrow. They are not absolutely sure yet to what extent and excatly which airports will be open.

Here in the Northwest of England we have been told that Manchester and Liverpool will be open at 07.00 tomorrow. Scottish and Irish airports open too.

London airports maybe later tomorrow.

Best of luck with your trip

cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Bainbo
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 06:03 PM

Apparently there's now a new ash cloud on its way, threatening plans to open airports on Tuesday.

I definitely think now that someone's just making all this up as they go along, to keep us segregated.

Think I can found a new conspiracy theory?


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 04:41 AM

Today at London Gatwick!

08:45 DY3511 COPENHAGEN CANCELLED South Terminal
08:45 EI233 DUBLIN CANCELLED South Terminal
08:50 EZY5263 VENICE CANCELLED South Terminal
09:00 AM5699 ATLANTA CANCELLED North Terminal
09:00 DL11 ATLANTA CANCELLED North Terminal
09:00 KL9090 ATLANTA CANCELLED North Terminal
09:00 MON6478 BANJUL CANCELLED South Terminal
09:00 MON6842 AQABA CANCELLED South Terminal
09:00 TCX214K DALAMAN CANCELLED South Terminal
09:05 SZ103 PLYMOUTH AND NEWQUAY CANCELLED North Terminal
09:10 DY1303 OSLO CANCELLED South Terminal
09:10 EZY5085 ATHENS CANCELLED South Terminal
09:15 TOM074 CANCUN CANCELLED North Terminal
09:20 TOM4224 TENERIFE CANCELLED North Terminal
09:20 TOM726 SHARM EL SHEIKH CANCELLED North Terminal
09:20 VS031 ST LUCIA CANCELLED South Terminal
09:25 BA4451 BUDAPEST CANCELLED North Terminal
09:25 MA613 BUDAPEST CANCELLED North Terminal
09:30 MON4206 SHARM EL SHEIKH CANCELLED South Terminal
09:30 TCX549K SHARM EL SHEIKH CANCELLED South Terminal
09:30 TOM4246 TENERIFE CANCELLED North Terminal
09:35 EZY5477 MADRID CANCELLED South Terminal
09:40 TCX414K HURGHADA CANCELLED South Terminal
09:40 US733 CHARLOTTE CANCELLED South Terminal
09:45 IG3536 FLORENCE CANCELLED South Terminal
09:45 TCX018K TENERIFE CANCELLED South Terminal
09:45 TOM502 TABA CANCELLED North Terminal
10:00 EK012 DUBAI CANCELLED North Terminal
10:00 EZY8903 GIBRALTAR CANCELLED North Terminal
10:00 FR113 DUBLIN CANCELLED South Terminal
10:00 TOM030 MONTEGO BAY CANCELLED North Terminal
10:00 VIK121 SHARM EL SHEIKH CANCELLED South Terminal
10:10 AEA1014 MADRID CANCELLED South Terminal
10:10 FR5563 ALICANTE CANCELLED South Terminal
10:15 QR076 DOHA CANCELLED North Terminal
10:15 US4970 DOHA CANCELLED North Terminal
10:20 EZY5241 PALERMO CANCELLED South Terminal
10:25 MON1472 CHANIA CANCELLED South Terminal
10:40 EI235 DUBLIN CANCELLED South Terminal
10:40 TCX091K HOLGUIN CANCELLED South Terminal
10:40 TS889 HOLGUIN CANCELLED South Terminal
10:50 TOM4208 ARRECIFE CANCELLED North Terminal
10:55 EZY5233 PISA CANCELLED South Terminal
11:00 EI904 MALAGA CANCELLED South Terminal
11:15 CO9707 ORLANDO CANCELLED South Terminal
11:15 EZY5133 BARCELONA CANCELLED South Terminal
11:15 EZY5443 BUDAPEST CANCELLED South Terminal
11:15 VS027 ORLANDO CANCELLED South Terminal
11:20 EZY8853 SHARM EL SHEIKH CANCELLED North Terminal
11:25 VS043 LAS VEGAS CANCELLED South Terminal
11:30 AEU502 REYKJAVIK CANCELLED South Terminal
11:30 EZY5325 MARSEILLE CANCELLED South Terminal
11:30 EZY761 INVERNESS CANCELLED South Terminal
12:00 EZY8663 ALICANTE CANCELLED North Terminal
12:05 EZY5255 ROME CANCELLED South Terminal
12:05 EZY5311 PORTO CANCELLED South Terminal
12:10 AT7229 CASABLANCA CANCELLED North Terminal
12:10 FR1183 SHANNON CANCELLED South Terminal
12:20 EZS8572 GENEVA CANCELLED North Terminal
12:20 EZY8607 MALAGA CANCELLED North Terminal
12:25 DY1341 TRONDHEIM CANCELLED South Terminal
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12:45 EZY8919 FARO CANCELLED North Terminal
12:45 SZ105 PLYMOUTH AND NEWQUAY CANCELLED North Terminal
12:45 VS065 MONTEGO BAY CANCELLED South Terminal
13:00 AT803 CASABLANCA CANCELLED North Terminal
13:00 EI916 IRL WEST KNOCK CANCELLED South Terminal
13:05 EZY5293 MILAN-MALPENSA CANCELLED South Terminal
13:10 BT652 RIGA CANCELLED South Terminal
13:15 EZY5267 VENICE CANCELLED South Terminal
13:15 FR115 DUBLIN CANCELLED South Terminal
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13:20 EZY5285 MILAN-LINATE CANCELLED South Terminal
13:55 TOM4244 MALTA CANCELLED North Terminal
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14:00 EZY5383 MUNICH CANCELLED South Terminal
14:05 EZY705 EDINBURGH CANCELLED South Terminal
14:10 EZY5337 TOULOUSE CANCELLED South Terminal
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14:15 EZY5069 NICE CANCELLED South Terminal
14:15 ZB252 ALICANTE CANCELLED South Terminal
14:25 EZY8597 DUSSELDORF CANCELLED North Terminal
14:25 EZY8875 AMSTERDAM CANCELLED North Terminal
14:30 BE911 GUERNSEY CANCELLED South Terminal
14:30 FR9853 CORK CANCELLED South Terminal
14:35 BA6165 INVERNESS CANCELLED South Terminal
14:35 BE7325 INVERNESS CANCELLED South Terminal
14:40 EI243 DUBLIN CANCELLED South Terminal
14:40 EZY787 GLASGOW CANCELLED South Terminal
14:50 BA6157 ABERDEEN CANCELLED South Terminal
14:50 BE7294 ABERDEEN CANCELLED South Terminal
15:00 EZY8845 DALAMAN CANCELLED North Terminal
15:10 EZY8807 PAPHOS CANCELLED North Terminal
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15:25 EK3016 DUBAI CANCELLED North Terminal
15:35 BE276 ISLE OF MAN CANCELLED South Terminal
15:45 EZY5135 BARCELONA CANCELLED South Terminal
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15:55 TOM346 ANTALYA CANCELLED North Terminal
16:10 EZY8825 MALTA CANCELLED North Terminal
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16:20 BE353 LEEDS/BRADFORD CANCELLED South Terminal
16:20 BE466 NEWCASTLE CANCELLED South Terminal
16:20 TP333 PORTO SCHEDULED South Terminal
16:25 BE970 BELFAST CITY CANCELLED South Terminal
16:25 SZ110 PLYMOUTH AND NEWQUAY CANCELLED North Terminal
16:25 ZB742 MALAGA CANCELLED South Terminal
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16:35 BE804 NEWQUAY CANCELLED South Terminal
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17:55 EZY711 EDINBURGH CANCELLED South Terminal
17:55 ZB284 TENERIFE CANCELLED South Terminal
18:05 BE949 JERSEY AND GUERNSEY CANCELLED South Terminal
18:05 EZY8535 BASEL SCHEDULED North Terminal
18:10 BE1007 DUSSELDORF CANCELLED South Terminal
18:10 EZY5015 BORDEAUX CANCELLED South Terminal
18:10 EZY8631 PALMA MALLORCA CANCELLED North Terminal
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18:15 EZY5071 NICE SCHEDULED South Terminal
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18:25 EZY8576 GENEVA SCHEDULED North Terminal
18:30 EZY5497 PRAGUE SCHEDULED South Terminal
18:35 EZY5007 LYON SCHEDULED South Terminal
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18:40 EI245 DUBLIN SCHEDULED South Terminal
18:45 BJ8321 MONASTIR SCHEDULED South Terminal
18:45 EZY5339 TOULOUSE SCHEDULED South Terminal
18:55 BA4453 BUDAPEST CANCELLED North Terminal
18:55 MA615 BUDAPEST CANCELLED North Terminal
18:55 TCX054K TORONTO SCHEDULED South Terminal
18:55 TCX819K ANTALYA CANCELLED South Terminal
19:00 EZY8881 AMSTERDAM SCHEDULED North Terminal
19:05 CO9695 ORLANDO SCHEDULED South Terminal
19:05 EZY5139 BARCELONA SCHEDULED South Terminal
19:05 VS015 ORLANDO SCHEDULED South Terminal
19:10 BA2043 MALE SCHEDULED North Terminal
19:10 BA2602 PISA CANCELLED North Terminal
19:10 VIK115 SHARM EL SHEIKH SCHEDULED South Terminal
19:10 VIK115P SHARM EL SHEIKH CANCELLED South Terminal
19:15 BA6159 ABERDEEN CANCELLED South Terminal
19:15 BE7296 ABERDEEN CANCELLED South Terminal
19:15 EZY5481 MADRID SCHEDULED South Terminal
19:20 BA6167 INVERNESS CANCELLED South Terminal
19:20 BE7327 INVERNESS CANCELLED South Terminal
19:25 EI817 CORK SCHEDULED South Terminal
19:25 GR611 GUERNSEY CANCELLED South Terminal
19:30 EZY713 EDINBURGH SCHEDULED South Terminal
19:30 VS029 BRIDGETOWN CANCELLED South Terminal
19:35 BE278 ISLE OF MAN CANCELLED South Terminal
19:35 BE953 JERSEY CANCELLED South Terminal
19:40 BE974 BELFAST CITY CANCELLED South Terminal
19:50 BA8049 JERSEY CANCELLED North Terminal
19:50 BE919 GUERNSEY CANCELLED South Terminal
19:50 EZY739 BELFAST SCHEDULED South Terminal
19:55 BE806 NEWQUAY CANCELLED South Terminal
19:55 DY3515 COPENHAGEN CANCELLED South Terminal
19:55 EZY5417 BERLIN CANCELLED South Terminal
19:55 IG3534 FLORENCE SCHEDULED South Terminal
19:55 SZ111 NEWQUAY AND PLYMOUTH CANCELLED North Terminal
20:00 BE357 LEEDS/BRADFORD CANCELLED South Terminal
20:00 DY1307 OSLO CANCELLED South Terminal
20:05 EZY5299 MILAN-MALPENSA CANCELLED South Terminal
20:10 BA2564 BOLOGNA CANCELLED North Terminal
20:10 BE468 NEWCASTLE CANCELLED South Terminal
20:10 DY1319 BERGEN CANCELLED South Terminal
20:10 EZS8578 GENEVA SCHEDULED North Terminal
20:10 GR613 GUERNSEY SCHEDULED South Terminal
20:10 PS502N KIEV SCHEDULED South Terminal
20:15 DY1321 TROMSO CANCELLED South Terminal
20:25 ZB9186 TENERIFE SCHEDULED South Terminal
20:25 ZB9214 ALICANTE SCHEDULED South Terminal
20:25 ZB9742 MALAGA SCHEDULED South Terminal
20:25 ZB9748 MALAGA SCHEDULED South Terminal
20:25 ZB9786 TENERIFE CANCELLED South Terminal
20:30 AEU504 REYKJAVIK SCHEDULED South Terminal
20:30 DY3522 AALBORG CANCELLED South Terminal
20:35 FR7729 STOCKHOLM SCHEDULED South Terminal
20:45 FR5569 ALICANTE SCHEDULED South Terminal
20:45 JP451 MARIBOR AND LJUBLJANA SCHEDULED North Terminal
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20:55 DY1337 STAVANGER CANCELLED South Terminal
20:55 EZY793 GLASGOW SCHEDULED South Terminal
21:00 BA2914 MANCHESTER CANCELLED North Terminal
21:00 BA2968 GLASGOW CANCELLED North Terminal
21:00 FR119 DUBLIN SCHEDULED South Terminal
21:00 MA4914 MANCHESTER CANCELLED North Terminal
21:05 BA2946 EDINBURGH CANCELLED North Terminal
21:05 FR5372 MADRID SCHEDULED South Terminal
21:10 EZY741 BELFAST SCHEDULED South Terminal
21:10 MON4372 GOA SCHEDULED South Terminal
21:10 PS502 KIEV SCHEDULED South Terminal
21:10 QI4666 BILLUND SCHEDULED South Terminal
21:10 SGX734 DALAMAN SCHEDULED South Terminal
21:15 EK010 DUBAI SCHEDULED North Terminal
21:25 MX6171 MEXICO CITY SCHEDULED South Terminal
21:25 TS123 TORONTO SCHEDULED South Terminal
21:25 ZB9252 ALICANTE SCHEDULED South Terminal
21:25 ZB9732 MALAGA SCHEDULED South Terminal

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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 05:43 AM

Oh.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 06:44 AM

Over one quarter of those flights are easyjet would you believe!


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: mandotim
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 06:45 AM

In answer to Mr Happy; Jet planes and turboprops are affected more severely than prop driven aircraft. The reason is that the rock and silica particles melt at jet engine temperatures, then solidify on the turbine blades in the engine. This can cause imbalance, vibration, seizing and engine shutdown. In a piston engined plane, the air filter takes care of most of this, and if that is changed regularly there shouldn't be a problem.
On a wider point; there is still no solid research evidence one way or the other about whether it is safe to fly at the moment, just predictions from Met Office models and inconclusive findings from a couple of publicity stunt flights by the airlines. This is counterbalanced by reports of military aircraft having problems. The decision to reopen air travel seems to have been taken on the grounds that the shutdown is costing the airlines a great deal of money (they have lobbied very hard indeed), and the travelling public are being greatly inconvenienced. History suggests that when we let profit-motivated business organisations take the prime role in what are essentially moral decisions, people suffer and occasionally die. I have a bad feeling about this one.
Tim


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 07:26 AM

I have a bad feeling about it too, I think we were very lucky to fly home last Wednesday evening. However, the media only reports half the story, and framed in a way to sell newspapers and get TV viewers. There is more to this than meets the eye.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: mandotim
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 08:20 AM

Airlines have an excellent safety record generally; but I have a relative who is a high-end consultant engineer. He used to do a lot of work with airlines on planned maintenance strategies. He doesn't now, on the grounds that he doesn't want to prejudice his professional reputation. He lives and works in the States, and travels about 150,000 miles a year on business in the USA; all by road. He used to fly, but since the cash squeeze hit the airlines, he doesn't. Draw your own conclusions.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 08:34 AM

At the end of the day, I think I'm correct in saying the buck stops with the pilot (& the pilots' unions). If they aren't happy with a situation, we aint going nowhere buddies!


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: GUEST,Guest The smiler
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 02:31 PM

What is annoying is that you are told to ring the airlines.

You do and you are paying high rates and then you are told that there is nobody to deal with your problem.

How TF are you supposed to get in touch with them.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 03:45 PM

The rest of mainland Europe is ok. They can get about by train, car, bus etc. Here in the UK, in my island nation, I'm starting to feel isolated.

No need. There's a Channel Tunnel, after all. And plenty of boats.

All this is excellenet preparation for the future we're going to face a few years down the line when the oil runs out.

I heard that at the school my son used to go to there are at least nine teachers unable to get back from abroad after the school holidays. I rather suspect they won't be broken-hearted...


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Suffet
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 05:08 PM

This is from the Heathrow Airport website:

Airspace restrictions update
Last updated: 20:50 BST, Tuesday 20 April 20:10
The Civil Aviation Authority has approved the opening of UK airspace from 22:00 today.
We are ready to open, but until further notice passengers must contact their airlines before travelling to the airport.
Not all flights will operate during the early period of opening, and we will be doing everything we can to support airlines and get people moving.


Let's hope so!

--- Steve


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 03:26 AM

Planes are flying - some people are getting back home.
NATS- who do the air traffic control promise a new update at 9.00 BST (about 40 minutes from this posting).
http://www.nats.co.uk/
Quack!
GtD.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: GUEST,black walnut
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 07:46 AM

I flew from Toronto yesterday early (I had to get up at 3:30 AM for it), then my flight was diverted from Gatwick to NEWCASTLE. Were we on the news? Was I on the news? That was me waving to the cameras with a big smile as I ran for the bus that drove us right away to Gatwick. Another 7 hours into London. I wasn't smiling then. No, I was laughing hysterically with tears rolling down my face...very tired and very giddy and I was sitting beside someone on the bus who was very very funny!

So Toronto to London was a 26 hour trip. I'm trying to sleep now but there is construction in the flat right above me. Louder than a dentist's drill. But it's time for a cuppa peppermint tea (rather than my usual morning blast of coffee) and then back to bed, and hopefully to sleep. I need sleep so bad.

Ohhhhh...now there's poppy rock music along with the drilling. Niiiiice.

~black walnut


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 12:03 PM

Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: GUEST,black walnut - PM
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 07:46 AM

Hi

I think I have just seen your plane landing. It was on the news as the first passengers to land in England since the " Ash Ban".

Couldn't see you waving.....lol

Well done.....you now deserve a rest.

regards

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: black walnut
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 12:34 PM

How awesome is that? We were the first guinea pigs! And you saw us land! Let me tell you, it's not that much fun being a guinea pig. The bus ride to London from Newcastle was longer than the flight across from Toronto to Newcastle, and they didn't serve a hot meal. LOL! But landing at Newcastle was better than the pilot's Plan B, which was going to be landing in Ireland. I'm not sure how I would have gotten to London from Ireland!

Time for another nap now....zzzzzzzz

~b.w.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 02:22 PM

hi bw

I don't suppose you have time to try the local ale??
Newcastle Brown is famed through-out the UK as a good strong beer.
Two or three bottles of that and your coach journey would have been more enjoyable.

cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: Bainbo
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 03:33 PM

Only if there was a toilet on the coach. Otherwise a long coach journey after two or three bottles ...


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: GUEST,The smiler
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 03:53 PM

Newcastle Airport. I thought my life was coming to an end on that runway many years ago.
I was flying British Caledonia from Edinburgh to Amsterdam.
The route was Edinburgh, Newcastle, Amsterdam.
There was a gail on and we had to land with the wind across the runway.
The plane was floating left to right and the nearer we got to landing the worse it got. I said my "Mother" as I closed my eyes and counted to 10. What a brilliant pilot. Somehow he managed it and I think there were a few people with brown trousers (well it smelt like it).


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 05:16 PM

When our plane landed last night in Newcastle, everybody applauded. I guess we were just glad to get down to solid ground, no matter where we were. When you're flying across the Atlantic, and they tell you that the airports are closed (duh) in England, first you wonder why you're on the plane, then you wonder if you'll hit dry land. Just handy that it was England and not some other island. :-)

~b.w.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: GUEST,black walnut
Date: 22 Apr 10 - 09:16 AM

So I guess it's all old news now? Most things are flying again? That's good, although I do love the awesome power of Mother Nature.

~b.w.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: GUEST,The Smiler
Date: 22 Apr 10 - 11:29 AM

This is new
RAF Typhoon training halted as ash found in engine


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: open mike
Date: 22 Apr 10 - 12:31 PM

i heard that passengers with tickets were let to fly first, and ones who had been waiting for days had to continue waiting...shouldn't it be first come first serve??

take a bus, indeed!
or train!
or boat!

hard to imaging how many thousands (millions?) of people were stranded

some volcanos erupt for years...


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: GUEST,black walnut
Date: 22 Apr 10 - 12:36 PM

You're abolutely correct about the order of passengers. I only had to wait one overnight for my flight. But our plane was only half full. I think that many thought that it wouldn't fly despite what it was saying at the Air Transat website. Or they were too scared. I think they would have filled the plane if there had been people waiting to get on at Pearson, but I didn't see anyone camping out.

~b.w.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: GUEST,black walnut - P.S.
Date: 22 Apr 10 - 12:39 PM

P.S. Interesting about the Lincolnshire trainers, Smiler.

~b.w.


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 22 Apr 10 - 01:21 PM

So I guess it's all old news now?

Maybe it is. RAF halts training flights though, after ash was found in the engine of Typhoon jet. No commercial pressure there, so they can go for the safe option?


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Subject: RE: Flights across UK severe disruption 15 April
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 22 Apr 10 - 01:22 PM

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