Concertina.com/Concertina.org/Concertina.net

Subject: Concertina Web Sites
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 12:56 PM

Researching Alexander Prince I came across this web site - www.concertina.com It seems to be fairly comprehensive. However I have emailed Robert Gaskins - the owner - three times and not had a reply, so is the web site active?

I have to say that the 'other' web site at www.concertina.org is a great site, with many free MP3 downloads. They also reply to emails!!

Subject: RE: Concertina.com
From: G-Force
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 01:02 PM

Then of course there is concertina.net

Subject: RE: Concertina.com
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 01:49 PM

Chris,
I have some Alexander Prince 78s and Ollie Oakley and Wyper Brothers + at least one piece of AP sheet music.

Subject: RE: Concertina.com/Concertina.org/Concertina.net
From: Guran
Date: 25 Apr 10 - 01:58 PM

CJB,
www.concertina.com
owned by Robert Gaskins no doubt is the most comprehensive source of knowledge about (British style)concertinas.
It is very well structured, definitely is active and continually updated even though the owner may not spend a lot of time on correspondance

There is not very much to be found about Alexander Prince anywhere I am afraid but the basics are at page 119 here for example.
(Taken from the excellent treatise by Staurt Eydman):

http://www.concertina.com/eydmann/life-and-times/eydmann-life-and-times-chap-07.pdf

www.concertina.org
is the website of International Concertina Association

www.concertina.net
primarily a discussion and contact forum owned by Paul Schwartz and sponsored by a number of concertina enterprises
There is a lot of information there also but somewhat unstructured and the search monitor is not very easy to use in my opinion

http://englishconcertina.ning.com
another discussion forum initiated by Dick Glasgow, gradually growing,
contributions with photos, videos nd other material from members

Subject: RE: Concertina.com/Concertina.org/Concertina.net
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Apr 10 - 02:23 PM

www.concertina.net
primarily a discussion and contact forum owned by Paul Schwartz and sponsored by a number of concertina enterprises
There is a lot of information there also but somewhat unstructured and the search monitor is not very easy to use in my opinion.
.yes I agree,I also find the adds rather irritating,but even more annoying is the large donate sign.
however, concertina.net website is better designed than www.session.org,on concertina.net it is possible to edit posts, delete posts,and bring old posts back up to the top.

Subject: RE: Concertina.com/Concertina.org/Concertina.net
From: Guran
Date: 25 Apr 10 - 04:12 PM

Sorry for miswriting the name of the author of "The life and times of the concertina": Stuart Eydmann

Subject: RE: Concertina.com/Concertina.org/Concertina.net
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Apr 10 - 07:45 AM

http://www.dickmiles.com

Subject: RE: Concertina.com/Concertina.org/Concertina.net
From: GUEST,Continuity Jones
Date: 26 Apr 10 - 09:30 AM

thanks for that link, Dick.

Subject: RE: Concertina.com/Concertina.org/Concertina.net
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Apr 10 - 06:23 PM

The trouble with any discussion forum,such as Concertina net,is that it is only as good as its posters.
certain aspects of concertina net,such as the Repairs section are useful.
a sunny day in the garden,I find more appealing.

Subject: RE: Concertina.com/Concertina.org/Concertina.net
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 12:30 PM

this is an example[IMO] of the sort of discussion that is best avoided on concertina net.
"Several people have asked me about obtaining my article on playing the anglo concertina cross-row style. The article ran a few pages and detailed what I took to be Noel's approach to the instrument. I have decided not make the article available at present. Although I stated clearly that my article was not intended to be a substitute for Noels' classes I am afraid that it has been taken as such. Noel makes part of his living teaching this method. While I did not charge for - and did not profit from - the article, it is possible that Noel might suffer some financial loss from its dissemination. I don't want this to happen as a result of my popularization of his technique. I'm not sure that my article would send people to the source (Noel) to learn how to play this way. In fact it might cause players to feel that they don't need to attend one of Noel's classes to learn the cross-row approach.

I also didn't – and still don't – feel that the proper way to learn an instrument is through an article posted on an internet site. One-on-one contact with a mentor is still the best way to learn. A serious student of the instrument will listen carefully to great players, use tools like The Amazing Slowdowner, attend a workshop, and ask questions here. He will of course pay attention to technique and fingering, as you would expect to happen when learning any instrument. However, anglo players of ITM seem to be in the minority on this site, and accomplished anglo players almost non-existent. This site is about the instrument rather than one particular kind of music. Accomplished players are usually much more interested in the music. Rather than engage publicly in sorting out things that seem important to a relative beginner in ITM, accomplished players will communicate directly with each other.

Though the article was a faithful interpretation and presentation of a gifted teacher's approach to the anglo concertina there were some people who found fault either with my interpretation or with Noel's approach. I found myself involved in justifying, for instance, the use of a B pull rather than a B press, or the use of a particular D. Such a discussion might make sense face-to-face in the moment, player-to-player, teacher to pupil, but to spend time that might otherwise be used playing seems to me a waste of time. On the internet you can be anything you want and some people, who pretended to be players, were only poseurs.

Many people who questioned me about Noel's approach seemed to miss the point. It is an approach and not a gospel. That said, it is apparent to me, after playing ITM for nearly forty years now, that Noel's approach, for the beginner, is best taken as gospel. I just don't want to be a prophet any more."
statements such as[on the internet you can be anything you want and some people,who pretended to be players were only poseurs]and
"anglo players of ITM seem to be in the minority on this site, and accomplished anglo players almost non-existent."
these statements are insulting,inflammatory, and spoil,an otherwise interesting post,however it illustrates to me that Concertina net is a waste of time,is poorly moderated,and might serve a more useful purpose if it abolished its discussion sections.
for the record this system of anglo playing it is not Noel Hills invention,Noel Hill and PaulDavis were heavily influenced by PaddyMurphy.
Paul Davis also played in a second completely different style which was influenced by an English ANGLO CONCERTINA PLAYER called Fred Kilroy

Subject: RE: Concertina.com/Concertina.org/Concertina.net
From: GUEST,continuity jones
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 01:17 PM

yes dick, you're right about that sort of discussion is should be avoided, down with that sort of thing. thank you for posting it here so i can now avoid it although i had never not had to ever avoid it before but now you can be sure i will avoid it if i ever have to, thanks to you dick.

Subject: RE: Concertina.com/Concertina.org/Concertina.net
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 02:02 PM

great, we will both be busy avoiding it,ha ha

Subject: RE: Concertina.com/Concertina.org/Concertina.net
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 02:58 PM

down with that sort of thing

Careful now.

I think it's in particular bad taste Dick is bad-mouthing a forum which he left after years of contributing to it.

If there's anything on your mind either say it where it matters, don't go somewhere else to do it. If you don't enjoy a place that gave you hospitality for a long time anymore, you can leave and leave it at that.

Subject: RE: Concertina.com/Concertina.org/Concertina.net
From: GUEST,continuity jones
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 04:13 PM

yes you could be right but now i won't have to know as i'll ignore it if i see it or even if i think i may see it (or have seen it) i'll refuse to look and look the other way that's if i look at all but you won't see me thats for sure mum's the word, Peter Laban, let's leave it and leave it like that left where we left it a long time ago out of sight and ne'er to be resurrected by dick "christ" miles on the 3rd day or 3rd year or however long it is since he moved the stone of your mighty forum tomb and escaped into the heavens for 3 days or years or however long before returning and posting on another forum altogether a message so out of place it was like a turd in a swimming pool cover your eyes and polish your ears.

Subject: RE: Concertina.com/Concertina.org/Concertina.net
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 05:36 PM

Peter, why dont you stop stalking me and go and play some music.

"The girls from the bawnogue in sorrow may retire
And the piper with his bellows may go home and blow the fire.
or as they say in Ireland ,Foc il leat.