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Political&cultural achievments of folk

*#1 PEASANT* 19 Apr 10 - 08:41 AM
GUEST,Shimrod 19 Apr 10 - 12:12 PM
Leadfingers 19 Apr 10 - 01:29 PM
frogprince 19 Apr 10 - 01:31 PM
artbrooks 19 Apr 10 - 01:53 PM
MartinRyan 19 Apr 10 - 02:11 PM
mousethief 19 Apr 10 - 02:14 PM
Tootler 19 Apr 10 - 02:45 PM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 19 Apr 10 - 05:03 PM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 19 Apr 10 - 05:12 PM
Richard Bridge 19 Apr 10 - 06:59 PM
artbrooks 19 Apr 10 - 07:00 PM
MartinRyan 19 Apr 10 - 07:38 PM
Leadfingers 19 Apr 10 - 09:41 PM
Ernest 20 Apr 10 - 01:56 AM
Murray MacLeod 20 Apr 10 - 02:13 AM
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Subject: Folklore: Political&cultural achievments of folk
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 08:41 AM

What are the political and cultural achievements of the folk community?

Are they all considered by everyone to be 100% positive?

Or.....are they considered to be positve by only part of the country/world?

Have these changes threatened cultural practices and interfered with long established cultural lifeways?

Have they cost jobs?

Have they helped to loose wars and violate sacrifices made?

Have they increased crimes....drugs etc....

Have they injured concepts of national identity?

Personal attacks of those posting, should be removed by the moderators.

Keep to the topic.

this topic is relevant to folklore as we should from time to time examine the environmental impact of the actions taken by the folk community to make sure that cultures are not injured by our manefestos and actions.

Conrad
From Merriam-Webster:

folklore

1 : traditional customs, tales, sayings, dances, or art forms preserved among a people
2 : a branch of knowledge that deals with folklore
3 : an often unsupported notion, story, or saying that is widely circulated


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Subject: RE: Political&cultural achievments of folk
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 12:12 PM

I don't understand the question!


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Subject: RE: Political&cultural achievments of folk
From: Leadfingers
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 01:29 PM

Which part is the main question ?


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Subject: RE: Political&cultural achievments of folk
From: frogprince
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 01:31 PM

Almost have to give Conrad some credit here; this is an amazingly contrived back-handed way to attempt to promote the indefensible, halluncinatory premise that he has already beaten to death.


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Subject: RE: Political&cultural achievments of folk
From: artbrooks
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 01:53 PM

Good music, to be enjoyed by those who choose to enjoy it.

Otherwise, no, yes, no, no, no, no,no, no, no.


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Subject: RE: Political&cultural achievments of folk
From: MartinRyan
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 02:11 PM

Good music, to be enjoyed by those who choose to enjoy it.

Otherwise, no, yes, no, no, no, no,no, no, no.


Agreed - apart from the wars/sacrifices question which has me baffled! I'm tempted to try Max's translation toy but doubt it would help...

Regards


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Subject: RE: Political&cultural achievments of folk
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 02:14 PM

I KNEW IT! I KNEW who started this thread before I even opened it!


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Subject: RE: Political&cultural achievments of folk
From: Tootler
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 02:45 PM

I'm not clear exactly what the OP is getting at.

First of all the thread title is incomplete

Political & cultural achievments of folk...

Folk what? Folk music? Folklore? Folk...?

Secondly there are two questions implied in the thread title; political achievements and cultural achievements, each of which merits a discussion of its own.

The whole thing smacks of the kind of academic obscurity that is all too common, where the author thinks that being obscure and impenetrable makes them look more learned when, in fact, the opposite is the case.


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Subject: RE: Political&cultural achievments of folk
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 05:03 PM

"Have they helped to loose wars and violate sacrifices made?"

Just clarifying:

Lose (defeated) or loose (unleash).


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Subject: RE: Political&cultural achievments of folk
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 05:12 PM

"What are the political and cultural achievements of the folk community?"
Civil rights, labor, environment are examples of political role folk music has been part of.   The cultural examples are too numerous to mention - and it requires consideration of WHAT folk community you are considering, as there are many.

"Are they all considered by everyone to be 100% positive?"
Absolutely. Anyone with any common sense looks at it positively.

"Or.....are they considered to be positve by only part of the country/world?"
Anyone with any common sense looks at it positively - and folk music achievements should not be judged in such a fashion anyway - it is what it is and there is no way it should be impacted by outsiders.

"Have these changes threatened cultural practices and interfered with long established cultural lifeways?"
Not in the least. It is a reflection.

"Have they cost jobs?"
WTF????

"Have they helped to loose wars and violate sacrifices made?"
What is a loose war? Most I've come across have been very tight. The songs honor heros and do not violate sacrifices - unless you look at it with a warped perspective.

"Have they increased crimes....drugs etc...."
Not in the least

"ave they injure" concepts of national identity?"
Hell no, they help form them.


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Subject: RE: Political&cultural achievments of folk
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 06:59 PM

Why do we put up with his drivel?


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Subject: RE: Political&cultural achievments of folk
From: artbrooks
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 07:00 PM

Well, I also speak to mentally ill people when spoken to.


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Subject: RE: Political&cultural achievments of folk
From: MartinRyan
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 07:38 PM

Richard Bridge asks: "Why do we put up with his drivel?"


What an odd question! You and your associates don't. What's more - you're determined that nobody else should either. It's that incorrigibly smug righteousness that depresses me.


Regards


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Subject: RE: Political&cultural achievments of folk
From: Leadfingers
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 09:41 PM

Richard is a Fully Paid Up Curmudgeon and as such is entitled to such comments , especially in posts originated in such a fashion by our Obscure and Devious friend Conrad .

And it STILL doesnt make any sense to me either !


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Subject: RE: Political&cultural achievments of folk
From: Ernest
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 01:56 AM

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Subject: RE: Political&cultural achievments of folk
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 02:13 AM

It really is drivel, though, isn't it ?

Even making allowances for English not being Conrad's native language, it's still drivel ...


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Subject: RE: Political&cultural achievments of folk
From: Bettynh
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 11:20 AM


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Subject: RE: Political&cultural achievments of folk
From: Bettynh
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 11:49 AM

Conrad, you insist that you're American and speak the language, so it's red-pencil time for you.

"What are the political and cultural achievements of the folk community?"
As an anthropologist and history teacher you must be aware that "folk community" needs further definition. There is no physical city of such people. If you mean Mudcat members, say so.

"Are they all considered by everyone to be 100% positive?"
So you place yourself outside this "community"? Who is this "everyone"? If you're writing to the Mudcat community, these groups would seem to be mutually exclusive, and there can be no answer.

"Or.....are they considered to be positve by only part of the country/world?"
Well, the 100% was about positivity, so this does not describe an alternate.

"Have these changes threatened cultural practices and interfered with long established cultural lifeways?"
This is your first mention of changes. What are you talking about?

"Have they cost jobs?"
Who? How? What are you talking about?

"Have they helped to loose wars and violate sacrifices made?"
All I get from this is a silent movie, sorta like Indiana Jones. War is tied up to a tree, and Indie swoops in and cuts him loose, then they go over to the sacrificial alter, and write graffiti all over it. Is that what you meant?

"Have they increased crimes....drugs etc....
Have they injured concepts of national identity?"
What? Are you still talking about a community? Who are "they"?

"this topic is relevant to folklore as we should from time to time examine the environmental impact of the actions taken by the folk community to make sure that cultures are not injured by our manefestos and actions"
Is this about Earth Day? When has the "folk community" issued a manifesto? Are we talking about noise pollution?


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