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Happy St George's Day

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Dave the Gnome 23 Apr 10 - 03:35 AM
Sooz 23 Apr 10 - 03:36 AM
theleveller 23 Apr 10 - 03:41 AM
Dave the Gnome 23 Apr 10 - 03:45 AM
Ruth Archer 23 Apr 10 - 03:49 AM
Banjiman 23 Apr 10 - 03:51 AM
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Tim Leaning 23 Apr 10 - 04:16 AM
Dave the Gnome 23 Apr 10 - 04:19 AM
GUEST,Lassington Oak 23 Apr 10 - 04:21 AM
Banjiman 23 Apr 10 - 04:23 AM
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Subject: Happy St Georges Day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 03:35 AM

...to you all.

Cheers

DeG


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: Sooz
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 03:36 AM

And to you.


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Subject: RE: Happy St Georges Day
From: theleveller
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 03:41 AM

Good knight!


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 03:45 AM

I appear to have an absent apostrophe! Could a kind hearted elf please make the title read 'Happy St. George's Day' before we get a visit from the grammar police.

Ta.

DeG

-----------Done. Mudelf--------------


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 03:49 AM

Happy St George's day, everyone.


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: Banjiman
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 03:51 AM

All hail the Palestinian Saint!


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 04:03 AM

The Powderkegs are dancing at the White Horse in Whaley Bridge, Derbyshire, this evening in honour of the day - 7:15 till dark.

And in the centre of Manchester over the weekend is the first St George's Day festival, with Manchester Morris Men and the Milltown Cloggies amongst the events and attractions.


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 04:16 AM

Yes happy Saints day have a good weekend chaps.


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 04:19 AM

Only half Palastinian, Banjiman - the rest was Roman. So, a good mixed race lad born to a conquering settler. Pretty typical Englishman really :-D

It is likely that Saint George was born to a Christian noble family in Lydda, Palestine during the late third century between about 275 AD and 285 AD, and he died in Nicomedia.[12][13] His father, Gerontius, was a Roman army official from Cappadocia and his mother was from Palestine. They were both Christians and from noble families of Anici, so by this the child was raised with Christian beliefs. They decided to call him Georgius (Latin) or Geōrgios (Greek), meaning "worker of the land". At the age of 14, George lost his father; a few years later, George's mother, Polychronia, died.[14][15][16][17] Eastern accounts give the names of his parents as Anastasius and Theobaste.

Cheers

DeG


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: GUEST,Lassington Oak
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 04:21 AM

Lassington Oak Morris Men will be celebrating St George's day in style kicking off at the Café René in Gloucester at 8 pm and then on to the Fountain for 8.30 pm with a session.

Happy St George's day to you all.


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: Banjiman
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 04:23 AM

"Only half Palastinian, Banjiman - the rest was Roman. So, a good mixed race lad born to a conquering settler. Pretty typical Englishman really :-D"

Nicely put DeG. I think you got my point though!


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: Mitch the Bass
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 04:27 AM

Tonight at the Assembly Rooms, Derby

http://www.derbylive.co.uk/Public_Event.aspx?ID=719

Come and celebrate St George's Day with the songs and dances of England in a special concert featuring:

Brass Monkey: The original English powerhouse brass-meets-folk band and their "Deep English" sound with the incredible line up of: Martin Carthy - vocals, guitar, mandolin, John Kirkpatrick - vocals, button accordion, anglo concertina, melodeon, Martin Brinsford - mouth organ, saxophone, percussion, plus Roger Williams and Paul Archibald brass section.

Roy Bailey: Brings a mix of traditional and contemporary folk songs to the show. "Possessor of one of the finest voices in the folk world" The Guardian

Derbyshire Volunteers Big Band - some of the finest musicians and singers in the County.

Ripley Morris Men - Derbyshire's very own dance team celebrate the ancient ritual - Morris Dance


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: BusyBee Paul
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 04:45 AM

And it is my Mum-in-law's birthday. No, she isn't a dragon!.


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: Seayaker
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 05:06 AM

If you are anywhere near Shipston on Stour, South Warwickshire tonight from 7pm we have morris sides, mummers, and a session in the George Hotel in the centre of the town.


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 05:16 AM

I did indeed banjiman, I did indeed:-)


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 06:16 AM

Happy St George's Day to all the Caragols


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: Lox
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 06:16 AM

My the people of Malta, Georgia, Greece, Turkey, Palestine ... oh .. and England ... have truly wonderful day.

No seriously, have fun England - and play nice.


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 06:37 AM

hesky svata Jiri


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 07:47 AM

Happy St George's Day to all.

Next year is going to be a problem with St George's day falling on Easter Saturday. Horwich and Bacup at the same time?


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 09:12 AM

Alas. I wish I could be there.

Enjoy yourselves.


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 09:49 AM

The Real George
"Every moment of his reign was polluted by cruelty and avarice. The Catholics of Alexandria and Egypt were abandoned to a tyrant, qualified , by nature and education, to exercise the office of persecution."
– Edward Gibbon (The Decline & Fall of the Roman Empire, 23)


The mention of an unnamed martyr of Nicomedia by Eusebius seeded The Myth that was to become St George, though there is no evidence whatsoever that such a character ever existed!

The 'real' George was rather different than the one portrayed in popular English Christian fiction. As Gibbon and others made clear, 'St. George' was a legendary accretion around a notorious 4th century bishop, George of Cappadocia (in modern Turkey). Even the Catholic Encyclopedia of saints concedes that the story was borrowed from some incidents involving the treacherous Turkish despot.

The future archbishop of Alexandria began his career as a money lender in Cilicia, Southern Turkey. By 'assiduous flattery' or other means he acquired the contract to supply the Roman army with bacon.

"His employment was mean; he rendered it infamous. He accumulated wealth by the basest arts of fraud and corruption; but his malversations were so notorious, that George was compelled to escape from the pursuits of justice."
Edward Gibbon (The Decline & Fall of the Roman Empire, 23)

Making his way to Palestine, George set himself up in the religion business at Diospolis , where he became a profane grandee of the ruling Arians. As a wealthy and influential opponent of the Catholics he was well-placed to take the bishop's chair in Alexandria when Athanasius was driven into exile.

In his new lofty station George gave free reign to his greed, corruption and cruelty, establishing several commercial monopolies and pillaging the ancient temples.
"The tyrant…oppressed with an impartial hand the various inhabitants of his extensive diocese,"
Edward Gibbon (The Decline & Fall of the Roman Empire, 23)

.So incensed were the inhabitants that on at least one occasion George was expelled from Alexandria by a mob and troops had to be deployed to get him back into the bishop's palace.
His end came with the elevation of Emporor Julian. The angry pagans of Alexandria (probably aided by Catholics) took their revenge on George by throttling the bishop and dumping his body in the sea. It seems highly probable that some supporters of the murdered bishop recovered what they claimed to be remnants of the erstwhile bishop and made off with them to the nearest centre of Arianism, Lydda in Palestine. Emperor Julian himself sequestered the extensive library which George had acquired.

Post-mortem success
Yet the notorious prelate was to achieve a nobility in death which had been denied to him in life. The family of George built him a tomb and a church to house it at Lydda, and the shrine soon attracted a profitable traffic in pilgrims. At the same time, in the mid years of the 4th century, the hierarchy of the church had been seriously alarmed by the apostasy of Emperor Julian (360-363) and a resurgent paganism. His brief reign had threatened their but recently gained temporal power and the hierarchs were desirous of every possible device to prevent such a calamity again.
The Catholic Church was more than prepared to overlook George's heretical and criminal past. The 'official' legend of St George was created to symbolize the complete and irreversible victory of Christianity over paganism. Hence the image of St. George as a fearless warrior, defeating enemies of the faith by Christian forbearance, no matter what trials were to be overcome. In many of the 'traditions' the climax of the story actually has George smashing pagan idols.
Evidently the George cult spread outwards from Palestine. In the late 6th century two churches were identified in Syria with inscriptions indicating the veneration of a martyr called "Georgios". By then, the venality of George's real life had either been forgotten or merely white-washed. Thanks to the creative scribblers for Christ two hundred years later, his name was attached to a colourful story of piety, fortitude, divine deliverance and – ultimately – a princess and a dragon.

"This odious stranger disguising every circumstance of time and place, assumed the mask of a martyr, a saint, and a Christian hero, and the infamous George of Cappadocia has been transformed into the renowned St. George of England, the patron of arms, of chivalry, and of the Garter."
Edward Gibbon (The Decline & Fall of the Roman Empire, 23)
Quite a success story for an unmitigated rogue – and bacon salesman.


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 11:00 AM

From Wikipedia, which has a rather differnet and well footnoted version -

"Edward Gibbon[22] argued that George, or at least the legend from which the above is distilled, is based on George of Cappadocia,[23][24] a notorious Arian bishop who was Athanasius' most bitter rival. According to Professor Bury, Gibbon's latest editor, "this theory of Gibbon's has nothing to be said for it"."


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: kendall
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 12:09 PM

The cross of St. George is flying from our flag pole as I write. It's my salute to all my English friends.


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 12:15 PM

Just to let everyone know – theSt. George's Celebration, 'Folk against Fascism' gig at Sheffield's Barracks Tavern was cancelled last night after threats from the BNP to the landlord.
Sad day
Paul


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: jacqui.c
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 02:21 PM

The flag's flying in Scarborough, Maine.


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: kendall
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 07:37 PM

It will be allowed to fly until the 25th.


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: kendall
Date: 23 Apr 10 - 08:11 PM

I expected more comments from across the pond.


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: romanyman
Date: 24 Apr 10 - 04:51 AM

will be a great day at the crayford arms, loadsa real ales from this camra award winning pub, loadsa free grub, singers morris dancers and oh such a warm welcome from the pub staff, i dont know any other pub that likes folk so much.


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 24 Apr 10 - 05:05 AM

Course, the real Patron Saint of England is Edmund! So lets do it all again on 20th Nov.


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: goatfell
Date: 24 Apr 10 - 05:34 AM

As a Scot, iwould like to wish our English neighbours a happy St Goerge's day I know I'm late but there ye go.


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Apr 10 - 06:34 AM

Had pork chops, mash and cabbage for tea. Went to the pub and had 1/2 of Lancaster Bomber (I was driving!) - Good English Ale and 1/2 of Peroni (For the Roman soldier:-) ) Wore the lapel flag all day, the car flag is still on and the big flag is in Illinois! I had forgot we gave it to my cousin. Must get a new one for next year!

Cheers

DeG


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: JeffB
Date: 24 Apr 10 - 10:45 AM

Great to see the flag flying Jacqui - long may it wave.

We had perfect weather here (or anyway, in Somerset), and celebrated with a dance-out at the Station Inn in Hallatrow by Priston Jubilee Morris, Somerset Morris, and Pigsty. It was terrific to see an excellent and enthusiastic 8-year old dancing with Somerset Morris.

Can we do this more often?


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: GUEST,The Smiler
Date: 24 Apr 10 - 01:36 PM

I had sausage and mash with cauliflower, broccoli and carrots.
Washed down with Abbot Ale and a toast to St George.


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: kendall
Date: 24 Apr 10 - 03:07 PM

I had a pint of Samuel Adams summer ale in a Guinness glass.

One of my neighbors finally asked what that flag was.


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Subject: RE: Happy St George's Day
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Apr 10 - 04:31 PM

Kendall
It is really great that you are able to participate of the nectar. :-)


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