Joni Mitchell -Dylan is 'a plagiarist'

Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell -Dylan is 'a plagiarist'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 01:23 AM

Joni, over rated as she is/was, is just frustrated because she couldn't grow a dick.

Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell -Dylan is 'a plagiarist'
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 03:30 AM

The same can be said for a lot of guys.

Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell -Dylan is 'a plagiarist'
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 07:49 AM

The old penis envy thing huh? I suppose it could be. I heard that a lot of birds who live at airports have fuselage envy.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell -Dylan is 'a plagiarist'
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 11:37 AM

Did I already mention what I thought of "rabid fans playing that 'my fave is better than your fave' game?" I suspect some people are projecting.

I think she's great. I got a dulcimer and figured out "A Case of You" right after trying to learn Bob Coltman's "Valley Forge". I don't think her songs are particularly hard to play, but may seem so to a non-musician or one unfamiliar with the tunings she uses. The real genius is in combining words that matter with a tune that catches the ear, and she can do that. So can Dylan, although he hasn't done much I like in the last few years. So can quite a few artists. The thing with Joni & Bob is that they both did something new, and the doors they opened forever changed music, especially songwriting.

I truly wonder what it is about music these days that makes people hate so much...

Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell -Dylan is 'a plagiarist'
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 12:02 PM

It's a safe outlet?? Can't hit back...?

Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell -Dylan is 'a plagiarist'
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 12:37 PM

They hate getting old, Jeri. They're frustrated. I think you'll find that the general membership of this forum gets crabbier and nastier with each passing year...can you imagine how bad it'll be 10 years from now? ;-D With any luck we'll both die off before it reaches its absolute worst, and then we won't have to witness it!

Joni's songs aren't generally hard to play in the sense of matching the general chord sequence....but they are hard, I think, in the sense of matching exactly how she does it on whatever instrument she's playing. Mind you, I never did try to match exactly what she was doing on any instrument, I just found the chords (which are usually pretty straightforward) and then played them my own style.

What is hard for most people is to match the wideness of her vocal range, no matter what key they decide to do the song in. Her phrasing can be a little tricky too, but it's just a matter of getting used to it. The same is true of Dylan on certain songs.

Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell -Dylan is 'a plagiarist'
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 12:54 PM

personally, I would rather listen to Joni Mitchell than Robert Zimmerman.
however I respect Dylan as a song writer,even if on a couple of occasions he was guilty of plagiarism.
   catspaw 49 reminds me of Gargoyle.

Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell -Dylan is 'a plagiarist'
From: PoppaGator
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 03:32 PM

The interviewer/reporter struck me as even crabbier than Joni, who was herself, quite obviously, not in a very good mood. Seems to me that a sour and depressed psychlogical state must be part of a syndrome caused by her weird illness.

I was particularly struck at the writer's intimation that Joni had no business dumping on Bob for making up a name for himself because her name was/is, according to him, just as "fake." No so: her middle name is "Joan," and lots of people go by their middle name. As for her last name, she was married to a guy named Mitchell who was her duet partner back when she was first breaking into the music biz. The marriage didn't last very long, but her name was Mitchell, publicly and legally, when she got started as a perfomer, and she maintained that (minimally) established identity when she went solo, both onstage and off.

On the other hand, I'm not giving Joni a pass on all of her bullshit. She has no business criticizing Grace and Janis for sleeping with fellow musicians, since she herself enjoyed a series of widely publicized affairs with high-profile performers. Not bandmates in her case ~ fellow headliner-types: but what difference could that possibly make? A lot of people, not just famous ones, practiced that kind of "serial monogamy" back in a golden era when there were no "social diseases" that couldn't be cured with a shot of penicillin.

As for as The Bob is concerned ~ don't get me started! (See upmteen-million earlier discussions elsewhere on this site.)

To my perception, both Joni and Bob were and are geniuses, artists able to create unique music that could only have come from the mind and spirit of one individual, her/himself. Not everyone perceives their work as positively as I do(obviously); however, the fact that in both cases not everyone "gets it" means nothing. The success achieved by both of these artists is proof positive that LOTS of people DO appreciate their work.