BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: pdq
Date: 18 May 10 - 12:56 PM

That's right, GfS.

Mexico is the most corrupt country in the Western Hemisphere. The only other candidate for that spot is Haiti, a puny place which cannot cause us the damage that Mexico can.

Eveybody should know by now that Carlos Slim of Mexico is the richest man in the world with about 54 billion dollars, ahead of Bill Gates.

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 May 10 - 01:04 PM

And besides, the nigras are happy with their lot and wouldn't change it if they could; ol' whitey is stirrin' up a lot of trouble for nuthin'. Right, pdq?

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 May 10 - 01:53 PM

You bring up a very good point, GfS and pdq. The lower classes in Mexico, especially those of Mayan ancestry, have been oppressed by the wealthy since the Spaniards arrived in Mexico. Millions live in some of the worst slums the world has ever seen, while the wealthy class of Mexico lives in luxury. And yes, there is a powerful network of crime and corruption to add to the oppression in Mexico. Wealthy and corrupt Mexicans have no trouble getting into the U.S. The "illegal aliens" who come here are poor people looking for work.

GfS and pdq, I'm glad you're finally beginning to see the point: the "illegal aliens" are coming to the United States to escape oppression, to find the freedom and equality that we boast of. Yes, their country is wealthy, but it is so corrupt and ridden with crime that poor people never have a chance there - that's why they want to escape.

My German and French and Irish ancestors came to the United States to escape oppression by the wealthy class, not necessarily because their home lands were impoverished.
And on another note: My friend Igora is a Roman Catholic nun from India, in the U.S. on a 6-month visa to attend a sabbatical education program. She had a chance to take a second semester, and she was all excited about this opportunity. But now she got word from U.S. Immigration that her request for a visa extension has been denied. She has to go back to India and apply for a new visa. Does that seem fair or just or necessary?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 May 10 - 02:26 PM

More folks are beginning to worry about the alarming increase in the numbers of people.

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 May 10 - 02:48 PM

Your point well taken, Joe..however, perhaps a revolution south of the border would be in order, rather than one here, to accommodate the ILLEGALS!~..OH, BY THE WAY, DO GANG MEMBERS AND DRUG SMUGGLERS FIT INTO THAT PROFILE?????

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 May 10 - 02:54 PM

Rig says: More folks are beginning to worry about the alarming increase in the numbers of people.

That's true, Rig, it IS alarming. But people were alarmed when our ancestors came, too. It took some adjusting; but in the end, our immigrant ancestors made the United States into a prosperous and vigorous nation. If we close ourselves off to population growth, we may well close ourselves off to economic growth. Our economy has stagnated and seems like it is beginning to die. Perhaps we need more workers and more consumers, that the waves of immigration have brought us in the past.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 May 10 - 03:13 PM

Joe, If you think they are likened to 'political refugees', which is a bit of a spin, let them go to the embassy, and ask for asylum..in any event, LEGAL and accounted for, is still best! Why settle for less?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 May 10 - 03:18 PM

Someone just forwarded this E-mail to me....thought I'd post it. Sorry if it is too 'politically incorrect'.


Did you know?
   * That the words "race car" spelled backward still spells "race car".
   * That "eat" is the only word that if you take the 1st letter and move it to the last, it spells its past tense "ate".
   * And have you noticed that if you rearrange the letters in "illegal immigrants", and add just a few more letters, it spells out: "Go home you fucking, free-loading, benefit grabbing, kid-producing, violent, non-English speaking assholes, and take those other hairy-faced, sandal wearing, bomb making, goat loving, raggedy ass Muslim bastards with you."

Now how weird is that?

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Bobert
Date: 18 May 10 - 03:28 PM

Unfotunately, GfS, it is politically *correct* in that there are alot of folks who believe exactly that... I mean, I live in community where there are tons of folks that say that kinda stuff everyday... And worse... Ya' oughtta hear waht they say about Obama!!!

Guess no one wanted to comment on how Mexicans could possibly see the American citizens living in the West and Southwest could be considered illegals... Think Polk here...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 May 10 - 03:35 PM

Sanity, Americans, even the liberal ones, have no sympathy with those who want to enter the United States for criminal activity. That makes no sense, and it's ridiculous to even think of bringing that into the discussion.
What we're talking about is immigrant workers who come here looking for a way to earn a living and make a life for themselves. It's very difficult for them to get permission to come into this country to work.
When you refer to them as "fucking, free-loading, benefit grabbing, kid-producing, violent, non-English speaking assholes," I think that perhaps that you are forgetting that they are human beings. If we are a civilized people, than I think we owe our fellow human beings at least a modicum of respect and compassion - especially if they are hungry and impoverished.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 May 10 - 04:00 PM

"Perhaps we need more workers and more consumers, that the waves of immigration have brought us in the past."

             I think we've passed the point of diminishing returns, and more immigrants would just make things worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 May 10 - 04:05 PM

Anybody care at all that the LAW in CALIFORNIA requires police to determine the status of anyone arrested, and REQUIRES them to turn over illegals to INS?


Seems like California protests too much.

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 May 10 - 05:20 PM

ET, phone home.

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 May 10 - 11:14 PM

Joe Offer: "Sanity, Americans, even the liberal ones, have no sympathy with those who want to enter the United States for criminal activity. That makes no sense, and it's ridiculous to even think of bringing that into the discussion."

Very well, BUT entering this country illegally IS A FELONY! Fines for employing illegal aliens in California carries a $25,000 price tag! Let me see now....mmm ...25,000 X 11,000,000(in California alone, 2006),,,,umm...is $275,000,000,000.00...But instead, let's say these wonder-workers are sending home, to Mexico a $100.00 a week....so that's $1,100,000,00.00 leaving our economy...oh, and tax free earned, too. Then add the free medical, and welfare, and food stamps....Do you have any idea of missed income, and benefits we are being denied, to allow this to go on unchecked???!!!???...then you say, "...even the liberal ones, have no sympathy with those who want to enter the United States for criminal activity."

Those of us who are trying to call this to your attention, (as citizens are being foreclosed on, in record numbers) are called insensitive bigots??? .......E-X-C-U-S-E M-E-E-E-?????

Add, on top of that, the federal government is to blame, BOTH CORRUPT PARTIES!....not only those who come across, but ultimately it is our own inefficient, through corruption, government's fault!....by not doing the obvious duties that being our government, is suppose to take care of, by the supreme law of the land......and now they want to administer 'health care'??????................YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!...and instead, they tell us, "Well, it's gotten so big, that instead of doing anything about it, we'll just do nothing, and tough shit!"

..and "I got a Bridge to sell you in New York,..come this way.."

Sorry guys, I just flat out DO NOT TRUST these screwed up politicians, and the ideological crap they're shoveling on us!

By the way, that is enough money to get California back on budget, and alleviate the problem.

Now, Bobert, I read your post about opening up your home and hospitality, to others, as I do as well..but the difference is that we CHOOSE to do that, and are not forced to do that. Choosing, and forcing is really quite different....and choosing does not impose onto someone else's rights. The other does. By the way, I hope when you extend your charity, that the lawn is mowed properly, with no crunched-up stuff of your guys!!(wink)..and P-Vine ain't yelling at ya'

Regards,
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 May 10 - 01:51 AM

Well, let's see, Gfs -
You forget I'm a retired federal investigator who did a lot of work for the Immigration and Naturalization Service.

TITLE 18 US Code > PART II > CHAPTER 227 > SUBCHAPTER A > § 3559 says, in brief that a felony is a crime that carries a punishment of over one year in prison or a death sentence. If the punishment is one year or less, it is a misdemeanor.

TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER II > Part VIII > § 1325 (Improper entry by an alien) carries a punishment of not more than six months imprisonment.

Do the math.
'Tain't no felony.

You know, GfS, I suggest you visit a place where immigrant workers live, or go out in the vineyards when they're working in 100-degree weather. I've done both, many times. When you see how hard they work and under what conditions, and how bad their housing is and at what high prices, maybe you'll develop a shred of compassion.

love,
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 May 10 - 05:48 AM

""Joe, If you think they are likened to 'political refugees', which is a bit of a spin, let them go to the embassy, and ask for asylum..in any event, LEGAL and accounted for, is still best! Why settle for less?""

Could it be that they don't seek asylum, in case the guy handling their claim has the same attitudes displayed by yourself and others on this forum GfS?

Just a thought, they might be scared of the reception they think they will get.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 May 10 - 06:00 AM

""Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity - PM
Date: 18 May 10 - 03:18 PM

Someone just forwarded this E-mail to me....thought I'd post it. Sorry if it is too 'politically incorrect'.

"Did you know?
   * That the words "race car" spelled backward still spells "race car".
   * That "eat" is the only word that if you take the 1st letter and move it to the last, it spells its past tense "ate".
   * And have you noticed that if you rearrange the letters in "illegal immigrants", and add just a few more letters, it spells out: (racist filth deleted)."

Now how weird is that?""

And that fits right in with my last post. You haven't the courage to spout your own racism, but can't wait to spread around somebody else's at the first opportunity.

And you wonder why the illegals stay under cover?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: GUEST
Date: 19 May 10 - 07:29 AM

Nobody wonders why illegals stay under cover. The task is to flush them out and convince them to go home.

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Bobert
Date: 19 May 10 - 08:22 AM

If I am not mistaken, illegally entering into Arizona is not a felony but a misdomenaor...

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 May 10 - 09:38 AM

I was listening to a radio station out of Albuquerque, who just reversed their 'sanctuary city' status, in favor of enforcing the law. They we're discussing it, and, at least in their state, it is a felony. Perhaps they were referring to state law.

And yes, I've seen where migrants live. It looks like parts of Mexico, to tell you the truth.....and we used to go to Mexico, at least three times a month, a while ago.
All this 'bleeding heart' crap, does NOT change the fact that they could come here LEGALLY! I think we could look to Bill Clinton, and Vicente Fox to thank for that. What Bill did, was sneak the NAFTA bill in, during Christmas recess, so his very unpopular bill could pass, while the opposition gone,...and Fox was telling his population that they had a 'right' to go up and get jobs...and doing everything possible to provide maps and encouragement....all this in prelude to the North American Union....Oh, and by the way, if there is an agenda to dissolve our country, and its borders. and don't you think that the American public should at least be notified about it, and/or have a say??????. I'm sure this is 'news' to some on here, but this is what is really taking place...and the 'bought off' traitors, posing as representatives, are once again, ramming it through, either unwittingly, not reading what they are signing,(so they vote along 'party lines'), or through bribes (corruption).

This crap is feeding who? The corporate 'fat cats' at the top, who also have a system in place, and ready to spring on us(as yet another 'REMEDY'), in which a new 'identity' system, based on 3 sets of six numerals indicating financial, medical health, and criminal record. (Ironic, that these three, happen to be the three big areas of 'reform' packages) They NEED for this turmoil to fester, so they can 'offer' this solution! THIS IS NOT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE "LITTLE GUY" The liberal left, are being USED as dupes. WAKE UP!!...The conservative right is being USED to counter. The left sees the bullshit(to a degree) in the 'right's' reporting of this, and the 'right' sees the bogus reporting on the left, and the two of them are fanning up what should be a non-issue...to FACILITATE the real hidden agenda, just waiting for the time to spring it on us. This is all pre-conceived, and the real enemy is the stupidity, that allows it to go down!....

As far as the 'race car' post, Don, and others, I was merely posting it to demonstrate the level of how certain people(the right) have gone from common sense, to anger, and of course, the emotional response (feigned appall) of the lib-left. Thank you for your appropriate responses, by the way.

Oh well,..back to music.......

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 May 10 - 11:21 AM

No sooner than I got off the computer, I went upstairs to check on the news(about the primaries), and there was a breaking news alert, about President Calderon(Mexico), and Obama, meeting at the White House,..and in that Calderon had just given a statement about unifying our two countries, and his opposition to the Arizona law. Apparently, just as I previously posted, they are getting a whole other 'side', of what their understanding is, as to what is being reported here....just as I said!~!!

I would think, as 'pdq' and I, brought to the attention of the post, that Mexico, should get out of OUR politics, and focus on the corruption of their own country...and as Donuel succinctly put it, "I for one do not want the USA to become Mexico."

So, there you have it. I think we, as people who are 'concerned' about this issue, should get the blinders off, and take a hard look at the reality of the situation, and look past, what is being fed to us, through the two partisan propaganda 'news' sources...and STICK to our Constitution!....which was written, and adopted, to avoid this kind of crap, from those who feel the need to DICTATE to us, for their OWN ends...not the well-being of our nation, as a whole!!

Happens when you're from 'Sanity-land'!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 May 10 - 10:03 PM

"So, there you have it. I think we, as people who are 'concerned' about this issue, should get the blinders off, and take a hard look at the reality of the situation, and look past, what is being fed to us, through the two partisan propaganda 'news' sources...and STICK to our Constitution!....which was written, and adopted, to avoid this kind of crap, from those who feel the need to DICTATE to us, for their OWN ends...not the well-being of our nation, as a whole!!"

Question: Just what part of the US Constitution are you referring to?

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 May 10 - 10:21 PM

Article 9, Section 4 of the Constitution states, "The United States shall guarantee to every state in this Union a republican form of government, "and shall protect each of them against invasion..." It appears that the government, the people you voted for and elected to represent you, are not carrying out their duties or living up to their responsibilities.

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Bobert
Date: 19 May 10 - 10:36 PM

Invasion??? Pearl Habor was an invasion... What we have here is a decades old situation where the US government has done a "wink, wink" in letting lots of people enter into the country to pick crops and do other kinds of work that, frankly, lazy Americans won't do...

Now, because the right wing thinks it can turn a decades long practice into something else to stir up their voting base they have created an issue out of a non-issue... Great politics, perhaps, but completely out of touch with decades of reality...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: mousethief
Date: 20 May 10 - 02:38 AM

Is it lazy to not want to work for less than minimum wage and in illegally hazardous conditions? Go on then.

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 May 10 - 09:32 AM

invasion [ɪnˈveɪʒən]
n
1. (Military) the act of invading with armed forces
2. any encroachment or intrusion as 'an invasion of rats'
3. the onset or advent of something harmful, esp of a disease
4. (Medicine / Pathology) Pathol the spread of cancer from its point of origin into surrounding tissues
5. (Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Botany) the movement of plants to a new area or to an area to which they are not native

Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994,

Bobert: "Invasion??? Pearl Habor was an invasion.."

Pearl Harbor was an ATTACK..not an invasion

Mouser: "Is it lazy to not want to work for less than minimum wage and in illegally hazardous conditions? Go on then."

Wanting to work could be done legally.

What you don't seem to address is the corruptness of our government, and what is going on, in the dealing with another corrupt government, and a symptom, is the FACT that this corruption, has left the door wide open to screw the American people.

Hint: It has to do with drugs, and money, going back as far as, Vietnam, and the 'Golden Triangle', to Central America, and the 'Iran-Contra' affair, and now in Mexico...WITH THE SAME PLAYERS!

I think you can do your own research on it..but I'll help point you in the right direction:

Daniel Sheehan, attorney for the Christic Institute who filed a lawsuit exposing a huge amount of this crap!...Book: 'Out of Control'.

You will also discover what has steered U.S. Foreign Policy in Iran-Iraq...and why!..including the mid-east players. plus find out a lot more about the hostage crisis in Iran during the Carter Administration, and why they were REALLY released, as Reagan was being sworn in. That is if you're REALLY interested!

It ALL ties together. Meanwhile, we have yet another political agenda going on...and now the two are now shaking hands...getting acquainted!....as we, and the common Mexican citizen eat shit! I know your intentions may be right, but you still are being duped!...and of course, proud of it!

GfS



That's a good place to start. In the course of that

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Riginslinger
Date: 20 May 10 - 10:32 AM

There was a guy on NPR yesterday who said the American Southwest will belong to which ever ethnicity can "out populate the other."

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 May 10 - 11:29 AM

This may turn out to be a disastrous fiasco....all because our government, under various corrupt politicians, have managed to distract the American public, more on the left side, away from their obligation, as our government, while allowing an agenda of criminal activity, to go on. That being said, the 'right', for the most part, have no clue whatsoever, being as they have been sold a bogus bill of goods, with the propaganda, that a lot of this stuff was done, under the guise, of some sort of patriotic 'national security'...when it was all a cover to hide the mega-criminal enterprise, which often broke our neutrality treaties, and resolutions(Bolen Amendment), during the 80's. During the hostage crisis, in Iran, the radical hostage takers, discovered some activities, that the U.S. had been up to, and blackmailed us, in exchange for the release of the hostages, during Reagan's swearing in. The present president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, was one of the leaders of the hostage takers. For what he knows about U.S. foreign policies, in his mind, justifies his position against the U.S.....which, if our government was not so corrupt, and unrepentant, could have corrected this. Because of it, we are now embroiled in a multi-front effort....and going broke.
It's really a mess!...and the details are far greater than space and time, on a blog, can adequately be covered. You'll have to do your own research.
None the less, our border, and all borders should be secured!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 May 10 - 10:18 PM

If you are from "Sanity" it must be a synonym for the land of purple prose and precious little sense.

But, with your dial always set on "outrage", you'll fit right in around here.   Be sure to give us your version of how world capitalism and religion, in an infernal and unstoppable alliance, threaten to destroy our lives.

It will be fascinating--or at least faintly amusing-- to hear your particular variation on this top Mudcat theme.

And please don't hold back. We know you alone have the truth and we're desperate to hear it.

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Bobert
Date: 20 May 10 - 10:29 PM

Like I have said: Maybe it's time for Mexico to tell the immigrants to get the heck outta Mexico (i.e. Arizon, New Mexico, Texas, California...)

And for the record, I hate the word "annex"... Lets just use the correct word: steal!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 May 10 - 12:00 AM

I just 'cut and pasted' this from a page on the net..thought you might find it interesting.

An interview segment of Presidente Calderon, from Wolf Blitzer, CNN:


    WOLF BLITZER: "Do Mexican police go around asking for papers of people who they suspect are illegal?"

    CALDERON: "Of course."

    BLITZER: "If somebody sneaks in from Nicaragua or some other country in Central America through the southern border of Mexico, they wind up in Mexico, they can go get a job, they can work . . ."

    CALDERON: (Interrupting Blitzer) "No, no. If somebody do that without permission, we send back them."

********************************************************************

Rush Limbaugh's comments on the interview:

Yet he criticizes Arizona for trying to get a handle on the illegal immigration that is overwhelming their state!

Rush Limbaugh said, "Is this guy an idiot? Is this guy not just a full-fledged idiot? He just undercut his entire argument. He just undercut Obama's entire argument."

Response from the Reporter:

"Yes, he is Rush. And the Democrats gave him a standing ovation today."

Rep. Smith said: "It's a little bit like inviting a guest over for dinner and having them criticize the food, and I just don't think it was appropriate."
Smith also said: "I just don't think it's right for the president of another country to come here and criticize our nation or our states for wanting to stop human smuggling, stop drug trafficking, or, frankly, secure their borders."

Rep. Smith finished with a great summary statement: "I just don't like the idea of foreign officials – officials of other governments coming to us and interfering in our domestic affairs. We wouldn't go to their country and tell them what to do. And I think they should concentrate on what's best for their nation, and let us concentrate on what we think is best for ours."

(Rasmussen)- Arizona voters now support the state's new immigration law more than ever and are still more inclined to think the law will be good for the state's economy rather than bad. A lot of voters in the state are thinking it's payback time, too, to those cities or states that boycott Arizona.

    A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Voters in Arizona finds that 71% now favor the immigration law, while 24% oppose it.

    In late April, the law was supported by 64% of the state's voters and opposed by 30%

    Nationally, 55% of voters favor passage of such a law in their state.

Who is Calderon to Lecture Americans on Our Laws?..

Good question, ask President Dickwad…

    Texas Sen. John Cornyn took Mexican President Felipe Calderon to task today for criticizing the tough Arizona immigration law and the flow of illegal guns from the United States to Mexico.

    "It was inappropriate for President Calderon to lecture Americans on our own state and federal laws," the San Antonio Republican said in a statement. "Arizona's immigration law has been amended to make clear it does not authorize racial profiling by law enforcement.

    "Moreover, the Second Amendment is not a subject open for diplomatic negotiation, with Mexico or any other nation."

    Calderon, in Washington for a state visit, addressed a joint session of Congress this morning.

Baghdad Bobby: Obama Doesn't Care About the Dems Who Lost…

GOP Sen. Orrin Hatch Rips Mexican President Calderon For Criticizing Arizona During Address to Congress…

Don't stop with Calderon, Obama was the one who allowed him to speak there in the first place…

    (The Hill)- Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) blasted Mexican President Felipe Calderon on Thursday, calling the visiting dignitary's remarks on Arizona's recently implemented immigration law "inappropriate."

    Earlier Thursday, Calderon condemned Arizona's new immigration law during a speech to a joint session of Congress, saying it amounts to little more than racial profiling and that the United States is in need of comprehensive immigration reform.

    "It's inappropriate for a head of state to question our laws, especially when the state of Arizona only acted in the best interest of its citizens and with the support of seventy percent of its people," said Hatch in a statement.

    Hatch said Arizona was forced to pass the immigration law — which compels state law enforcement officials to require proper legal residency papers from people they suspect may be in the U.S. illegally — because of the federal government's failure to stop drug and human smugglers, as well as illegal immigrants, from coming across the U.S.-Mexico border.

    "The state of Arizona is stepping in where the federal government has failed," said Hatch. "It is trying to stop waves of illegal immigrants, many of whom are dangerous gang members and drug and human traffickers, from crossing into its communities."

Mexican President Slams Arizona Law before a Joint Session of Congress; Democrats Stand and Applaud – Video

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Here is video of Mexican President Felipe Calderon this morning speaking to a Joint Session of Congress. In his address he slammed the new Arizona anti-illegal immigration law.

Calderon said, "I strongly disagree with the recently adopted law in Arizona." When he said that, virtually all of the Democrats in the House Chamber stood and applauded him, including Nancy Pelosi, Vice-President Biden, and the assembled Cabinet. Notice Attorney General Eric Holder hesitantly standing at the 23 second mark of the video. Holder admitted earlier this week he has not yet read the law, even though he has been critical of it.

Calderon accused the law of pushing "racial profiling," which is patently false. The law explicitly prohibits racial profiling. But truth means nothing to people like Calderon and those on the Left seeking to push their radical agenda.

How dare Calderon come as a guest to the United States and then publicly blast a sovereign state for a law that has been enacted according to the Constitution.

But worse than Calderon, how dare the Democrats and the Obama Administration stand on the side of a foreign leader against one of our nation's 50 states.

Note: Video linked due to heavy traffic

WWII Vet Ordered to Take Down American Flag…

File this under: Stories that make liberals cry tears of joy…

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 May 10 - 12:06 AM

"During the hostage crisis, in Iran, the radical hostage takers, discovered some activities, that the U.S. had been up to, and blackmailed us, in exchange for the release of the hostages, during Reagan's swearing in." GfS

Hmmm. I'm trying to understand: You mean: Iran held hostages, they knew something about us and blackmailed us by releasing the hostages? Hmmmm. How does that work? There appears to be something missing in the transaction. When you blackmail somebody, they are supposed to pay,

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: GUEST
Date: 21 May 10 - 06:58 AM

They were afraid of Jimmy Carter, they held the hostages until they were sure Reagan would be sworn in. After that, Reagan delt them what they wanted under the table--think Iran/Contra.
(Riginslinger)

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Bobert
Date: 21 May 10 - 08:16 AM

I don't know why they were afraid of Jimmy... It was obvious that the militart hated him... Eevn badly botched a poorly planned (on purpose) rescue plot... Rememeber that one??? Word on then street is that the Joint Chiefs ware so pissed at Carter that they orders a couple helecopter to just go run into one another out in the dessert??? Like what was that about??? Well, I'll tell you what it was about... It helped get Reagan elected who never said "no" to the Pentagon...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 May 10 - 08:45 AM

They were afraid of Jimmy Carter, they held the hostages until they were sure Reagan would be sworn in. After that, Reagan delt them what they wanted under the table--think Iran/Contra.

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Bobert
Date: 21 May 10 - 09:40 AM

Waht, Rigs??? You don't think we didn't know that??? Come on, man... I could recognize yer posts from outter space...

(Lotta of 'um seem to come from outter space, Bobz...)

Nevermind...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 May 10 - 10:01 AM

False..False and False.
Ebbie: (at least she asked a legitimate question)..."Hmmm. I'm trying to understand: You mean: Iran held hostages, they knew something about us and blackmailed us by releasing the hostages? Hmmmm. How does that work?"

During the hostage crisis, one of the hostages that was taken was a fellow named Buckley. He, we were told was a professor. when it came out that that was false, the 'news' told us that he was a sometime operative of the CIA, but low level. When that story didn't wash, the 'news' admitted he worked as a station chief, in Tehran. What the press DIDN'T tell us, which was true, was that he was the head of the CIA's covert operations worldwide. He was torture to death...on video tape...and the information on it, SOME of which, I'll post a link. Other things include stuff on the Pshaw of Iran, weapons and drug deals, that when the first time I heard this stuff, in detail, I cried for my country(true story). Things in Vietnam, arms sales to Iran, etc etc....it is truly appalling. ..but nonetheless here is just SOME things...which might have more to do with our border with Mexico, than being reported. Take your time, and read it.


http://www.csun.edu/~hfspc002/news/cia.drug.html

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 May 10 - 10:22 AM

It wasn't us they knew something about, Sanity, is was Ronald Reagan. They bought him cheap and often.

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 May 10 - 10:27 AM

After I posted that link, I checked on SOME of the links on it, and found they had been 'blacked out'. I thought this was more common knowledge than apparently it is. So, for the cause of security, you'll have to do more of your own homework. I suggest you look into the lawsuit filed in Florida, by the Christic institute....if you can find anything about it. Also the book 'Out of Control'.

All I can say, is what I've said before....your 'news' isn't news, and the Constitution should be adhered to, and not fucked with. When you do, you set up a 'Domino Effect', of losing our rights. What next?..Free Speech?..Already they're are wanting to limit the internet, you know like China, Cuba and so on and so forth.....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 May 10 - 10:29 AM

This was going on BEFORE Reagan, during and after....and still.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 May 10 - 11:17 AM

Then why did they want to get rid of Carter so badly?

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: pdq
Date: 21 May 10 - 11:25 AM

Illegal imigration is the most important topic in the country, ahead of even the economic disaster.

Why do you folks insist on discussing Carter, Reagan, The Shah and the CIA?

That said, John Perkins and John Pilger are absolute propaganda-slinging liars.

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 May 10 - 02:48 PM

You're right, pdq. Immigration is at the heart of the survival of the planet.

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: DougR
Date: 21 May 10 - 03:15 PM

Pdq: Bobert's forgetting to take his meds again.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 May 10 - 04:20 PM

No, I think he's been cured!

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 May 10 - 04:51 PM

pdq: "Why do you folks insist on discussing Carter, Reagan, The Shah and the CIA?:

Because the root of the problem started back then, and has continued through several administrations. I think when they figure out how to keep the price up(being as it is 'illegal'), and still usher in a new form of government, things might change....but I'm sure the folks making big profits off it, will do what they can to facilitate themselves....at our expense....and get those in power to bend the laws of the land(Constitution, et al), keep their money machine cranking...oh, and keep corrupting who they can, as well.
Happy Thoughts!
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: pdq
Date: 21 May 10 - 04:54 PM

Bobert is the Left-wing version of Earl Pitts.

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: DougR
Date: 21 May 10 - 05:48 PM

Rig: "No, I think he's been cured."

You mean like a slab of bacon?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 May 10 - 09:39 PM

That's funny Doug, but no. Boberts posts are consistent and rational. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't. Some posters, however, just don't make sense to me--maybe it's me--I don't know.

Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law on detaining illegal aliens
From: Bobert
Date: 21 May 10 - 09:46 PM

5 hunnert!!!

B~