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Subject: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... From: Bobert Date: 27 Apr 10 - 08:10 AM Well, well, well... Wonder what Ms. Sarah is sayin' now??? (Of course, the usual cast of partisan Repubs will put this all on Obama...) B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... From: kendall Date: 27 Apr 10 - 08:42 AM Of course they will. He has this history thing. Other disasters such as the Plague,the Johns town flood,Hiroshima,The Smoot/ Hawley tariff act. He's bad news alright. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... From: Riginslinger Date: 27 Apr 10 - 11:01 AM One thing about it, it's a terrible development. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... From: Bill D Date: 27 Apr 10 - 11:59 AM Anyone care to get specific on this? Maybe a link? I see nothing new on any of MY usual news links. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... From: Riginslinger Date: 27 Apr 10 - 12:06 PM http://chattahbox.com/us/2010/04/27/louisiana-oil-spill-now-the-size-of-rhode-island-and-headed-for-shore/ best I could do |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... From: Bill D Date: 27 Apr 10 - 12:29 PM Well, that is nasty and terrible...but what does it have to do with Palin? Is she making political statements about it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... From: Riginslinger Date: 27 Apr 10 - 12:39 PM She championed off-shore oil drilling. Of course, so did Obama and a number of other folks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... From: Bobert Date: 27 Apr 10 - 12:44 PM She went beyond just championing... She urned it into her campaign slogan... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... From: gnu Date: 27 Apr 10 - 02:23 PM The Montreal Gazette says drilling a relief well could take months and the "spill" is at a rate of 1000 bbl per day. Oh... my... goodnees. Truly sad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... From: Bill D Date: 27 Apr 10 - 02:35 PM I see..... I was aware of the serious oil rig explosion and spill, and I do not favor extended off-shore drilling, but as much as I dislike Sarah and her skewed logic and sound bytes, I have to say that this disaster has only limited bearing on her policies. In the Gulf, and in the North Sea...etc., much oil HAS been acquired from these platforms. Folks are taking a calculated risk, which has been barely worth the problems and cost. It is no as if Sarah was out there alone advocating obviously stupid ideas....she is just one voice among many hoping that speculative drilling will get us a few months more supply. It is time to extract what oil has already been located, and spend all that money on alternative energy....Sarah doesn't 'get' it, but she doesn't deserve special notice for that. *sigh*...I suspect Obama is playing a VERY complex practical/political game in allow some 'limited' exploration. I wish I knew the details so I could go yell at him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Ebbie Date: 27 Apr 10 - 05:42 PM And, of course, 'Spill, baby, etc is a takeoff on Palin's 'Drill, baby, Drill' which was/is her mantra. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Bobert Date: 27 Apr 10 - 09:41 PM Well, gol danged... I knew that Eb would get it!!! Sheeesh... The rest of ya'll half-heimerz folks I worry about!!! I mean, ain't too long a drive from "Drill, Baby, Drill" to "Spill, Baby, Spill"... Nevermind... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Bill D Date: 27 Apr 10 - 10:12 PM Fortunately, I'm a past master at that 'neverminding' stuff. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Riginslinger Date: 27 Apr 10 - 10:19 PM Fortunately, Obama just endorsed off-shore drilling, so he can't stand back and just point fingers. He'll really have to do something. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Bobert Date: 27 Apr 10 - 10:33 PM Go back and reread the first post, Rigs... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Riginslinger Date: 27 Apr 10 - 10:57 PM Yeah, well, maybe it works for Republicans, but it ain't gunna work for me. He's as quilty as she is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: mousethief Date: 27 Apr 10 - 11:11 PM He's a patchwork, all right. I think "drill baby drill" was referring specifically to ANWR. But clearly the current technology for offshore drilling is sadly lacking in emergency recovery ability. We're making holes in the ocean floor over pressurized oil deposits but have no way of capping them if our slender pipes to the surface should come loose. Otnay Ootay Ightbray. BTW I started a thread with this title on another forum before I saw yours -- does this mean we're great minds? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Donuel Date: 28 Apr 10 - 09:11 AM Palin be damned, she is not relevent. The spill off Louisiana will become the world's largest at the current rate. Two sets of figures are still floating around. Politicians and oil execs say 1000 gallons a day and the Coast Guard says 42,000 gallons a day. In 3 months that is over 3 million gallons. They are pouring detergent over the pill now. Thats not the tide, THats Tide! Soon they will set the spill on fire. Google the spill and view it from orbit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Bobert Date: 28 Apr 10 - 12:47 PM No, Rigs... He is not *as guity*... He didn't build his entire campaign around "Drill, Baby, drill"... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Bill D Date: 28 Apr 10 - 01:27 PM I, for one, hopes he backs off that 'limited drilling' idea now that we see some of the obvious dangers. You realize they need to drill ANOTHER hole beside this one to relieve the pressure? That will take 3 weeks if nothing goes wrong, goes wrong,goes wrong,goes wrong,... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: gnu Date: 29 Apr 10 - 09:24 AM Oh my... NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (AFP) - A giant oil slick threatened Thursday to pollute the fragile wetlands of Louisiana, as officials warned that toxic crude was pouring from a ruptured well into the Gulf of Mexico five times faster than previously estimated. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Riginslinger Date: 29 Apr 10 - 10:28 AM Has anyone heard what caused the explosion in the first place? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: michaelr Date: 29 Apr 10 - 03:27 PM I just read that Palin will host a nature show on the Discovery channel... That's like having Dr Mengele host a medical program. Bizarre! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: beardedbruce Date: 29 Apr 10 - 03:44 PM Another incorrect set of statements from Donuel "Two sets of figures are still floating around. Two sets of figures are still floating around. Politicians and oil execs say 1000 gallons a day and the Coast Guard says 42,000 gallons a day. The FIRST set of COAST GUARD numbers were 1000 BARRELS per day. The NEW set, based of further observations BY THE COAST GUARD is 5000 BARRELS per day. BOTH sets of figures comne from the Coast Guard. So, If Bush is to blame for Katrina, Obama is to blame for this spill. Otherwise, it is not Obama's "fault". NOR is it Palin's, or the Republicans, or Pelosi's, or Reid's... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: beardedbruce Date: 29 Apr 10 - 04:22 PM more here "NEW ORLEANS — Government officials said late Wednesday night that oil might be leaking from a well in the Gulf of Mexico at a rate five times that suggested by initial estimates. In a hastily called news conference, Rear Adm. Mary E. Landry of the Coast Guard said a scientist from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration had concluded that oil is leaking at the rate of 5,000 barrels a day, not 1,000 as had been estimated. While emphasizing that the estimates are rough given that the leak is at 5,000 feet below the surface, Admiral Landry said the new estimate came from observations made in flights over the slick, studying the trajectory of the spill and other variables. An explosion and fire on a drilling rig on April 20 left 11 workers missing and presumed dead. The rig sank two days later about 50 miles off the Louisiana coast. Doug Suttles, chief operating officer for exploration and production for BP, said a new leak had been discovered as well. Officials had previously found two leaks in the riser, the 5,000-foot-long pipe that connected the rig to the wellhead and is now detached and snaking along the sea floor. One leak was at the end of the riser and the other at a kink closer to its source, the wellhead. But Mr. Suttles said a third leak had been discovered Wednesday afternoon even closer to the source. "I'm very, very confident this leak is new," he said. He also said the discovery of the new leak had not led them to believe that the total flow from the well was different than it was before the leak was found. The new, far larger estimate of the leakage rate, he said, was within a range of estimates given the inexact science of determining the rate of a leak so far below the ocean's surface. "The leaks on the sea floor are being visually gauged from the video feed" from the remote vehicles that have been surveying the riser, said Doug Helton, a fisheries biologist who coordinates oil spill responses for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, in an e-mail message Wednesday night. "That takes a practiced eye. Like being able to look at a garden hose and judge how many gallons a minute are being discharged. The surface approach is to measure the area of the slick, the percent cover, and then estimate the thickness based on some rough color codes." Admiral Landry said President Obama had been notified. She also opened up the possibility that if the government determines that BP, which is responsible for the cleanup, cannot handle the spill with the resources available in the private sector, that Defense Department could become involved to contribute technology. " |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: gnu Date: 29 Apr 10 - 04:36 PM "So, If Bush is to blame for Katrina, Obama is to blame for this spill." How odd. Bush wasn't to blame. And I won't address the pathetic response by Bush... the Canuck Navy and a Canuck rescue team from BC beat Bush to the site. The Canuck navy had over a million MRE and were NOT ALLOWED to distribute them due to the possibilty of Mad Stupid Fuck Disease. Oh, nevermind... it still tears me up. All of the past politicians were aware that the US Army Corps of Engineers could have raised the level of protection but the politicians are the ones who write the cheques... ALL of the past politicians had the pen... none of them wrote the cheques. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: beardedbruce Date: 29 Apr 10 - 05:11 PM Gnu, Learn to read entire posts. "So, If Bush is to blame for Katrina, Obama is to blame for this spill. Otherwise, it is not Obama's "fault". NOR is it Palin's, or the Republicans, or Pelosi's, or Reid's... " |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: gnu Date: 29 Apr 10 - 05:39 PM My bad. Messed up. Sorry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Bobert Date: 29 Apr 10 - 09:14 PM Yeah, Bush was blamed for huffing and puffing after 9/11 how his team was ready to respond to the next disaster... He even touted his National Response Plan (see KatrinaGate thread) as the Bush team's readiness plan... Katrina called Bush's bluff... According to the evening news the leakage is more like 4000-5000 gallons a day and the spill is ony 3 miles off the Lousiana coast line... BP says it will drill a second well in attempts to shut off the current well... That could take months according to the new this evening... Tjis is a terrible disaster... Is it really worth the 6 days of supply that we get from it??? I mean, if everyone would just cut out one trip a week that would go a long way toward not hagving to take these chances... How much is this going to cost US in terms of lost revenues from the fishermen not being able to fish??? I mean, I don't think we've begun to see just what effects this is going to have on US overall... One thing fir sure is that if you like shrimp, the price is going to go up real fast so go out and stock up... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Riginslinger Date: 29 Apr 10 - 09:36 PM I'll bet Obama's sorry he signed on for this... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: GUEST,TIA Date: 29 Apr 10 - 10:58 PM Oh, I must have been time travelling. I forgot that oil drilling in the gulf of mexico started under the obama administration. More stupid asshat twisting above. nobody said that katrina was bush's FAULT (learned the caps from bruce btw). but his (bush's) sorry-ass response WAS his fault. is obama's response sorry-ass? now THAT is the question. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Riginslinger Date: 30 Apr 10 - 12:06 AM Some people have no vision! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: mousethief Date: 30 Apr 10 - 12:12 AM Some people have no brain. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Bobert Date: 30 Apr 10 - 07:48 AM Well, seems as if the oil has now reached the Mississippi and Lousinana coats... This is going to make the Valdez look like a walk in the park... I mean, no end in sight to capping the well... I'm a tad disappointed that the Obama administartion has bought the crap that BP's CEO has telling folks on the TV news about severity of this disaster... I'm not sure that had the feds jumped on this a little earlier that it would have made any difference but I would like to have seen a little more effort on the administration's part... The problem is that with the anti-government culture that the Tea Party and Repubs have nurtured it's hard for any president to be too proactive on any front... That's not making excuses but just observations... One thing that I believe the nation will clearly understand from this disaster as it continues to wreck havockl on the Gulf Coast is that "Drill, Baby, Drill" as an answer to teh country's energy needs is a purdy stupid and ill-thought-out answer... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: VirginiaTam Date: 30 Apr 10 - 08:35 AM I am getting flashbacks of Pelican Brief, now. Wonder if the oil reserves are nearing end and owners are thinking to buy up and then develop the ruined nature preserve. conspiracy theorist in da house |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 30 Apr 10 - 08:45 AM "He didn't build his entire campaign around "Drill, Baby, drill"... " No he didn't ... his campaign was on 'change' this current eco disaster spill is just prove that it is the "same old, same old" ... nothing has changed. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 30 Apr 10 - 08:53 AM .. what get's me about this thread is everyone pointing fingers at Palin, she's out of the game plan .... while Obama endorsed off shore drilling, he holds the current seat of power. now continue with the thread kids ... keep pointing fingers at Palin biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: gnu Date: 30 Apr 10 - 04:56 PM It's all about risk. Now, what is the oil company gonna do to mitigate, resolve and reverse the damage? If they cannot clean up the mess, will that impact the policies? Quite a poser, eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: mousethief Date: 30 Apr 10 - 05:51 PM Number6: No he didn't ... his campaign was on 'change' this current eco disaster spill is just prove that it is the "same old, same old" ... nothing has changed. Huh? Obama didn't cause the oil spill. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 30 Apr 10 - 07:05 PM mousethief ... never said he did cause the oil spill, and as far as I know Palin didn't cause it either. biLL ;) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: DougR Date: 30 Apr 10 - 07:23 PM No, Bobert, it's Bush's fault. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Apr 10 - 07:46 PM Oil Spill Silences Once-Raucious 'Drill, Baby, Drill' Camp "Drill, baby, drill" is now, "Hush, baby, hush." The Republican battle cry that crystallized the growing popularity of offshore drilling has dropped from view since the Deepwater Horizon rig sank last week and the well it drilled started shooting crude oil into the Gulf of Mexico. As Democratic opponents of the oil industry stepped up their attacks and demands for a sharp turn away from drilling, Republican leaders in Congress have slipped out of rapid-response mode and are generally holding their tongues. Ha! Follow the link to read the rest at the New York Times. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Bobert Date: 30 Apr 10 - 08:06 PM Thank you, SRS... That was my original intent here in starting this thread... Here we had all these eager little Tea Baggers attending the Palin rallies screaming "Drill, Baby, Drill" as if it was the Holy Grail/paneca for all that ails America??? I mean, how friggin' stupid... No, Obama didn't run on drilling and has only somewhat reluctantly offered it as a possibility to move the Repubs toward a rwal energy policy... But Obama knows very well that all of the off shore oil will only meet about 2% of the demand... Yet, because we have all these Tea Baggers screaming "Drill, Baby, Drill" and we have the Dick Cheney's of the world screaming the same thing (but for different reasons), hey, part of what Obama promised to do in tamping down the screamers and raw partisanship he has found himself in a bad way... Best of intentions... Lousy timing... Face it, Obama oughtta just tell the right wing to go fuck themsleves and quit trying to be a uniter prersident... Uniter presidents are no longer possible... The right wing media giants, including Rupert Mrurdock, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh are going to see to it that there will be no uniter presdients... So now Obama is stuck... But at least his administartion has been on top of the spill since Day One but now, I guess, the Tea Baggers will blame Obama for the oil spill??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 30 Apr 10 - 08:57 PM so who gives a rat's ass if right wing Tea baggers are now silent. The left wing tree huggers are royally pissed off at the current administration for endorsing the off shore drilling and rightfully so ... even if Obama "reluctantly offered it as a possibility to move the Repubs toward a rwal energy policy" ... that doesn't make him 'not guilty' .. as he went ahead and endorsed it .... and it looks like he isn't going to back off. off shore drilling to continue biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Bobert Date: 30 Apr 10 - 09:37 PM Agreed, he is guilty... That is not the issue here... What is the issue is that so much of the '08 campaign by the McCain/Palin side was on just this issue... I mean, take away Joe the Plumber, and this was purdy much the McCain/Palin strategy... Where are the Tea Baggers now who were calling for Obama to be killed with one breath while screaming "Drill, Baby, Drill" with the next... That is the issue... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: mousethief Date: 30 Apr 10 - 09:40 PM Oops, baby, oops. Obama should use this to do a volte face on drilling. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 30 Apr 10 - 10:06 PM Ok ... get your point but why waste time, energy, and scoffs at Palin ... she is a non player ... a has been. the Tea baggers and Palin don't hold the seat of power ... they are not the issue. why not direct your energy, frustration in the democratic process and and target Obama and the current administration ... they promised change ... and that meant change from the old guard in direction of energy policies, change in direction concerning the environment. What's happened ... nothing really. It's giving in to the old oil corporations .. so much so they gamble on the fragile ecosystems ... all in the name of corporate $money$ that's the issue same old, same old ... everyone in washington is shouting "$drill$, baby $drill$" ... even as the at oil spill sludge moves closer and closer to shore. that's the issue biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 Apr 10 - 11:11 PM Two Transocean Drilling Rigs (one in place and ready to start) will be used to control the 'leak'- which is a giant prospect. The leases were obtained some time ago and discovery was announced in September, so this play has been underway for about a year, in U. S. controlled territory! (See NY Times announcement of the discovery, Sept. 3, 2009, "BP finds giant oil field ....") This was back in Bush time; Obama's go-ahead was for the east coast-Florida area. (I want to find out more about these leases- they seemingly were granted well before most of us knew about it- ) There is sufficient discovered reserve, without the Gulf-Atlantic U. S. area, to last 30-50 years; in other words until alternate energy sources can be developed, and hydrocarbons reserved for the plastics industries. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 Apr 10 - 11:52 PM Learning a bit more. The leases were let in 1999 or slightly earlier. BP is producing 400,000 bbl/day from their leases in the Gulf. The Kaskida field has approx. 3 billion bbl reserve; the Tiber discovery is in a field thought to be much larger by some Gulf oil men. The Thunder Horse field (1999) was the first in the area by British Petroleum, the platform is producing 300,000 bbl/day, but over that ten-year period, there have been many engineering problems. The Gulf of Mexico accounts for one fourth of U. S. oil production. Working mostly in Canada, and looking at the Alberta-Saskatchewan oil sands which alone can supply North American needs for 50 years, I haven't paid much attention to what has been going on in the offshore. I think Canada made a mistake letting China buy into the oil sands. Drilling a 35,000 foot hole (sealevel to base) is difficult on land, let alone offshore where part of the pipe is in storm-tossed waters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 01 May 10 - 12:09 AM My son spent well of the year 2007 down in the gulf off of Louisiana working as a commercial diver. Mainly fixing submerged pipelines. The quality of safety standards were so low he would never work down there again even for the high amount of $dollars$ he was paid. He found it appalling. He's not surprised about this latest tragic incident. These days he would rather dive for sea urchins for university research, find the odd propeller, or untangle fishermen's nets here in the Bay of Fundy for much, much less pay. biLL |
