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Dave the Gnome 28 Apr 10 - 02:11 PM
Leadfingers 28 Apr 10 - 02:25 PM
Paul Burke 28 Apr 10 - 02:30 PM
Tug the Cox 28 Apr 10 - 02:41 PM
Little Robyn 28 Apr 10 - 03:29 PM
Don Firth 28 Apr 10 - 03:36 PM
doc.tom 28 Apr 10 - 03:56 PM
Doug Chadwick 28 Apr 10 - 04:01 PM
Gurney 28 Apr 10 - 04:45 PM
Tug the Cox 28 Apr 10 - 08:40 PM
Steve Shaw 28 Apr 10 - 09:09 PM
Arkie 28 Apr 10 - 09:17 PM
MGM·Lion 28 Apr 10 - 11:19 PM
The Doctor 29 Apr 10 - 04:52 AM
scouse 29 Apr 10 - 07:15 AM
A Wandering Minstrel 29 Apr 10 - 07:39 AM
GUEST,Pete (not Gurney or Davy) 29 Apr 10 - 10:11 AM
Georgiansilver 29 Apr 10 - 10:44 AM
Georgiansilver 29 Apr 10 - 10:50 AM
Steve Shaw 29 Apr 10 - 11:28 AM
MGM·Lion 29 Apr 10 - 11:34 AM
RoyH (Burl) 29 Apr 10 - 11:59 AM
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Subject: Widdicome Fair - Peter Who?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 02:11 PM

On the thread about Jan Brewer a couple us made the obvious joke about Widdicome fair. However - I posted the list of characters as "With Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer, Peter Gurney, Peter Day, Daniel Whiddon, Harry Hawk, Old uncle Tom Cobleigh and all" and Richard B pointed out it should be Peter DaVy which I think is right as it is what I always thought it was. I posted Day as a direct cut and paste and on checking it says the same in a few internet version. What is his name? On Mudcat it say's Davy - but it also says Harry HALL rather than HAWK so we know you can't believe a word Mudcat says:-P It does also show Daniel as Dan'el - which is also what I have always thought.

Cheers

DeG


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Subject: RE: Widdicome Fair - Peter Who?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 02:25 PM

Take Two - First disappeared into the ether !

Surely just The Folk Process in operation - There are variations of the song from several sources , and I occasionally 'do' Stow Fair with a totally different cast finishing with Uncle Tom Goblin .
Thats the Bob Arnold (Tom Forrest) version .


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Subject: RE: Widdicome Fair - Peter Who?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 02:30 PM

You've left out Len Meyor, Graham Eyre, Ol Allon, Dan Allon, Randy Longleigh.


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Subject: RE: Widdicome Fair - Peter Who?
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 02:41 PM

Chopper Harris, Peter Osgood, who was good, Charlie Cooke, and uncle Tom Docherty 'n all, old uncle Tom Docherty 'n all.


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Subject: RE: Widdicome Fair - Peter Who?
From: Little Robyn
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 03:29 PM

We learnt it as Peter Davy.
Robyn


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Subject: RE: Widdicome Fair - Peter Who?
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 03:36 PM

The Oxford Book of Ballads, Arthur Quiller-Couch, ed. (1863–1944), published 1910, lists the gentleman's name as "Peter Davy."

Among other things, it scans better than "Day." And there are some imdications that these were real people.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Widdicome Fair - Peter Who?
From: doc.tom
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 03:56 PM

Yes, it's Davy - in that version anyway! In the one I grew up with, which is near as dammit to Bob Cann's grandfather's (he claimed) there are 7 men plus Uncle Tom, not 6 + as in the 'Woolworths' version:

Tom Pearce, Tom Pearce, lend I the' gray mare
Right fol ol de rol, riddle I O
For I wants for to go to Widecombe Fair with
Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer, Harry Hopkin, Jimmy Davey,
Philly Wigpot, George Parsley, Dick Wilson, Tom Cobleigh and all. Yer it's Uncle Tom Cobleigh and all!

TomB


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Subject: RE: Widdicome Fair - Peter Who?
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 04:01 PM

Sang it in the pub last night, as it happens. My version has:

"With Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer, Peter Gurney, Peter DAVY Daniel Whiddon, Harry HALL, Old uncle Tom Cobleigh and all"

I, of course, am right and all other versions are wrong.   ?;-)

DC


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Subject: RE: Widdicome Fair - Peter Who?
From: Gurney
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 04:45 PM

Cyril Tawney used to do a variant with the chorus:

Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer, Philly Winkpot, George Parsley, Tom Cobleigh and all, old uncle Tom Cobleigh and all!

I seem to remember it was Cyril. Definitely someone in his club, anyway.


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Subject: RE: Widdicome Fair - Peter Who?
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 08:40 PM

Harry Hawk.


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Subject: RE: Widdicome Fair - Peter Who?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 09:09 PM

I heartily recommend a visit to Spreyton, near Okehampton, where you can not only see the grave of Tom Cobley in the lovely churchyard but you can also have a bite and a pint at the Tom Cobley Tavern, assuredly one of the UK's very finest pubs. Springtime is the ideal time to visit.


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Subject: RE: Widdicome Fair - Peter Who?
From: Arkie
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 09:17 PM

Somewhere I read that all the characters are buried in a local graveyard, except for one, the gray mare.


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Subject: RE: Widdicome Fair - Peter Who?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 11:19 PM

With Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer, Peter Gurney,
Peter Davy, Dan'l Whiddon, Harry Hawke,
Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all,
Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all.

is how the list appears in Baring Gould's Songs Of The West [1889-91], the original popular source, which is generally regarded as a definitive version, esp as it was thus repro'd in that much-used-in-schools Walford Davies songbook which will be recalled by anyone of my age. This is not of course to assert that it is a 'definitive' version, which would be an absurd claim, as all of us on this site will know, to make of any traditional song or artefact (Jon Raven, e.g., used to have a version whose chorus was not a list of names of those accompanying the narrator to the fair, but simply a nonsense refrain 'To me Oor, Bag-boor, Bag-nigger, Bag-waller, And a Bantibaloo', whatever that may signify). But it is the one which non-folkies will recognise as being the True One.

~Michael~


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Subject: RE: Widdicome Fair - Peter Who?
From: The Doctor
Date: 29 Apr 10 - 04:52 AM

In 'The Folksong Fake Book' it is listed as 'Tam Pierce, a Scottish song'. Presumably a misunderstanding of the Devon accent.


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Subject: RE: Widdicome Fair - Peter Who?
From: scouse
Date: 29 Apr 10 - 07:15 AM

Oh,dear, here we go..How song vary.. from Memory these where the Fella's .. I learned my version in Southampton back in the 60's

Tom Pierce, Tom Pierce lend I your gray Mare,
Right fol-lol- di- diddy di day,
That I may go to Whittycombe Fair,
with, Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer, 'Arry Hopkins, Hugh Davy, Philly Winkpot, George Parsley, Dick Wilton, Tom Cobbley an all,
Here's to Uncle Tom Cobbley an All.

As Aye,

Phil


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Subject: RE: Widdicome Fair - Peter Who?
From: A Wandering Minstrel
Date: 29 Apr 10 - 07:39 AM

Or if you fancy a serious challenge try the Kenneth Williams Version:

With Len Possett, Tim Screevy, The Reverend Phipps,
Peg Leg Loombucket, Solly Levi, Ginger Epstein,
Able Seaman Truefitt, Scotch Lil,
Messrs. Cattermole, Mousehabit, Neapthigh and Trusspot
(Solicitors and Commisioners for Oaths)
Father Thunderghast, Fat Alice, Con Mahoney, Yeti Rosencrantz
Foo Tong Robinson and Uncle Ted Willis and all
Old Uncle Ted Willis and all.


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Subject: RE: Widdicome Fair - Peter Who?
From: GUEST,Pete (not Gurney or Davy)
Date: 29 Apr 10 - 10:11 AM

Is there such a thing as 'the definitive version' of a traditional song?


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Subject: RE: Widdicome Fair - Peter Who?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 29 Apr 10 - 10:44 AM

MtheGM has it right.... as a Devonshire lad... brought up with that song as part of our heritage..... that is as the 'original' Devonshire version....
The Lyrics:-
Tom Pearse, Tom Pearse, lend me your grey mare,
All along, down along, out along, lee,
For I want for to go to Widecombe Fair,
With Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer, Peter Gurney,
Peter Davy, Dan'l Whiddon, Harry Hawke,
Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all,
Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all.

And when shall I see again my grey mare?
All along, down along, out along, lee,
By Friday soon, or Saturday noon,
With Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer, Peter Gurney,
Peter Davy, Dan'l Whiddon, Harry Hawke,
Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all,
Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all."

Then Friday came, and Saturday noon,
All along, down along, out along, lee,
But Tom Pearces old mare hath not trotted home,
With Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer, Peter Gurney,
Peter Davy, Dan'l Whiddon, Harry Hawke,
Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all,
Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all."

So Tom Pearse he got up to the top o' the hill
All along, down along, out along, lee,
And he seed his old mare down a-making her will,
With Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer, Peter Gurney,
Peter Davy, Dan'l Whiddon, Harry Hawke,
Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all,
Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all."

So Tom Pearse's old mare, her took sick and died,
All along, down along, out along, lee,
And Tom he sat down on a stone, and he cried
With Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer, Peter Gurney,
Peter Davy, Dan'l Whiddon, Harry Hawke,
Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all,
Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all."

But this isn't the end o' this shocking affair,
All along, down along, out along, lee,
Nor, though they be dead, of the horrid career
Of Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer, Peter Gurney,
Peter Davy, Dan'l Whiddon, Harry Hawke,
Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all,
Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all."

When the wind whistles cold on the moor of a night
All along, down along, out along, lee,
Tom Pearse's old mare doth appear gashly white,
With Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer, Peter Gurney,
Peter Davy, Dan'l Whiddon, Harry Hawke,
Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all,
Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all."

And all the long night he heard skirling and groans,
All along, down along, out along, lee,
From Tom Pearce's old mare in her rattling bones,
With Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer, Peter Gurney,
Peter Davy, Dan'l Whiddon, Harry Hawke,
Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all,
Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all."


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Subject: RE: Widdicome Fair - Peter Who?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 29 Apr 10 - 10:50 AM

The people mentioned are also real people, or were should I say... Tom Cobley, who died in 1794 is buried in Spreyton just North of Dartmoor... and his grave can be found there......


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Subject: RE: Widdicome Fair - Peter Who?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Apr 10 - 11:28 AM

Er, as I said...

It would be an awful shame to go to Spreyton and miss out on a pub lunch there. The pub's fame is spreading but you can always book. It's a lovely outing for a nice day.


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Subject: RE: Widdicome Fair - Peter Who?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 29 Apr 10 - 11:34 AM

No, indeed, Guest Peter ~~ when I used the word 'definitive' above I explicitly said that it wasn't a word properly to be used of any traditional artefact, & gave alternative Devon versions like Jon Raven's nonsense "Oor Bagboor..." chorus. But, as Georgian Silver points out, the Baring Gould one is that which even Devon schoolchildren are taught to regard as the 'traditional' local one.

~Michael~


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Subject: RE: Widdicome Fair - Peter Who?
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 29 Apr 10 - 11:59 AM

I used to sing Cyril tawney's version just for the joy of the name Philly Wigpot.


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Subject: RE: Widdicome Fair - Peter Who?
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 29 Apr 10 - 03:46 PM

Well, I've tried out some of the versions above and, while I'll stick with "Peter Davy", I quite like "Harry Hawke" instead of "Harry Hall" - so that's what I'll sing in the future.

My new version will now, of course, become the correct one and all other versions will be wrong.   ?;-)


DC


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