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BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies

Riginslinger 12 May 10 - 07:35 AM
artbrooks 12 May 10 - 08:32 AM
Ron Davies 12 May 10 - 08:34 AM
Riginslinger 12 May 10 - 08:59 AM
pdq 12 May 10 - 09:19 AM
Riginslinger 12 May 10 - 10:17 AM
Amos 12 May 10 - 11:01 AM
Desert Dancer 12 May 10 - 11:06 AM
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Riginslinger 12 May 10 - 11:41 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 12 May 10 - 04:14 PM
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Subject: BS: Jan Brewer stands for truth and justice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 May 10 - 07:35 AM

Finally, somebody in a position of authority gets it and is willing to do something about it. It's about time these people were exposed. Jan Brewer did more in a few weeks than has been done since Eisenhower.

    "The measure signed Tuesday prohibits classes that advocate ethnic solidarity, that are designed primarily for students of a particular race or that promote resentment toward a certain ethnic group."

(click) - Yahoo News

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Subject: RE: BS: Jan Brewer stands for truth and justice
From: artbrooks
Date: 12 May 10 - 08:32 AM

Well, there go classes on Black history and Latino literature. Don't forget the part that says that teachers with accents can't teach English anymore, Rig.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jan Brewer stands for truth and justice
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 May 10 - 08:34 AM

Sounds like another gift to trial lawyers.   Just why do you love trial lawyers so much, Rig?


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Subject: RE: BS: Jan Brewer stands for truth and justice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 May 10 - 08:59 AM

I don't think so, Ron, not in this case. I think they can go to court, and win or lose, the public will become aware of what goes on in these particular ethnic studies classes, and win or lose, it will be a win for the people of Arizona and the country. All it needs is exposure.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jan Brewer stands for truth and justice
From: pdq
Date: 12 May 10 - 09:19 AM

I went to the website Rigs posted and next to a carefully-selected picture that is intended to make Jan Brewer look as mean as possible, is this text:

By JONATHAN J. COOPER, Associated Press Writer

PHOENIX – Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer has signed a bill targeting a school district's ethnic studies program, hours after a report by United Nations human rights experts condemned the measure.
State schools chief Tom Horne, who has pushed the bill for years, said he believes the Tucson school district's Mexican-American studies program teaches Latino students that they are oppressed by white people.

Public schools should not be encouraging students to resent a particular race, he said.

"It's just like the old South, and it's long past time that we prohibited it," Horne said.

Brewer's signature on the bill Tuesday comes less than a month after she signed the nation's toughest crackdown on illegal immigration — a move that ignited international backlash amid charges the measure would encourage racial profiling of Hispanics. The governor has said profiling will not be tolerated.

The measure signed Tuesday prohibits classes that advocate ethnic solidarity, that are designed primarily for students of a particular race or that promote resentment toward a certain ethnic group.

The Tucson Unified School District program offers specialized courses in African-American, Mexican-American and Native-American studies that focus on history and literature and include information about the influence of a particular ethnic group.

For example, in the Mexican-American Studies program, an American history course explores the role of Hispanics in the Vietnam War, and a literature course emphasizes Latino authors.

Horne, a Republican running for attorney general, said the program promotes "ethnic chauvinism" and racial resentment toward whites while segregating students by race. He's been trying to restrict it ever since he learned that Hispanic civil rights activist Dolores Huerta told students in 2006 that "Republicans hate Latinos."

District officials said the program doesn't promote resentment, and they believe it would comply with the new law.

The measure doesn't prohibit classes that teach about the history of a particular ethnic group, as long as the course is open to all students and doesn't promote ethnic solidarity or resentment.

About 1,500 students at six high schools are enrolled in the Tucson district's program. Elementary and middle school students also are exposed to the ethnic studies curriculum. The district is 56 percent Hispanic, with nearly 31,000 Latino students.

Sean Arce, director of the district's Mexican-American Studies program, said last month that students perform better in school if they see in the curriculum people who look like them.

"It's a highly engaging program that we have, and it's unfortunate that the state Legislature would go so far as to censor these classes," he said.

Six UN human rights experts released a statement earlier Tuesday saying all people have the right to learn about their own cultural and linguistic heritage, they said.

Brewer spokesman Paul Senseman didn't directly address the UN criticism, but said Brewer supports the bill's goal.

"The governor believes ... public school students should be taught to treat and value each other as individuals and not be taught to resent or hate other races or classes of people," Senseman said.

Arce could not immediately be reached after Brewer signed the bill late Tuesday.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jan Brewer stands for truth and justice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 May 10 - 10:17 AM

Yes, pdq, I've worked in public schools in California where some (a few, not all by any means) Hispanic teachers hated white kids. They'd call them "Angols," and roll their eyes when they said it. And these kids had to take classes from these racists teachers. Not surprisingly, discipline was always a problem in their classrooms.


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Subject: RE: Jan Brewer stands for truth and justice-opinion
From: Amos
Date: 12 May 10 - 11:01 AM

Boy, talk about selecting the wrong target!! A classic symptom of neurotic thinking, Rig. What is the merit in suppressing ethnic studies? Do you think the public schools should be limited to the White Man's Version of History for some altruistic reason of your own?

Jaysus.


A


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Subject: RE: Jan Brewer stands for truth and justice-opinion
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 12 May 10 - 11:06 AM

You'd think our state legislature would have better things to do with its time.

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: Jan Brewer stands for truth and justice-opinion
From: Amos
Date: 12 May 10 - 11:07 AM

I also find it hard to see how suppressing educational information lies on the side of "truth", which usually involves more data, not less.

A


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Subject: RE: Jan Brewer stands for truth and justice-opinion
From: pdq
Date: 12 May 10 - 11:12 AM

A little biography for all you folks. Mario Obledo was Jerry Brown's chief of staff:


Mario Obledo was born in Texas in 1932, the son of Mexican parents who had immigrated to the United States in 1915. From 1983 to 1985, Obledo served as President of the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC). He is also the co-founder of the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF), which has become the most influential Hispanic advocacy group in the United States.

In May 1998 Obledo articulated his racial agenda by stating, "California is going to be a Hispanic state, and anyone who doesn't like it should leave. They should go back to Europe." "Eventually," he said the following month, "we [Hispanics] will take over all the political institutions of California."

In June 1998 Obledo was asked to comment on Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez's observation that "We have an aging white America, they are dying, I love it." Obledo responded: "He's a good friend of mine. A very smart person."

In August 1998 Obledo and the California chapter of LULAC joined forces to protest the Taco Bell restaurant chain's use of a chihuahua in its advertising. According to Obledo, the use of the dog was racist and offensive to Hispanics.

When the California Coalition for Immigration Reform (CCIR) in 1998 erected a billboard on the California/Arizona border reading, "Welcome to California, the Illegal Imigration State. Don't Let This Happen to Your State," an infuriated Obledo issued a press release threatening to blow up or burn down the billboard. Caving to this intimidation, the company that had rented the billboard space to CCIR refunded the organization's fee and removed the offending message.

In 1998 Obledo was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by Bill Clinton.


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Subject: RE: Jan Brewer stands for truth and justice-opinion
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 May 10 - 11:41 AM

Well, pdq, there are obviously a number of "bubble dwellers" out there who just don't want the truth to come out. It might conflict with some of their preconceived misconceptions.


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Subject: RE: Jan Brewer stands for truth and justice-opinion
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 May 10 - 04:14 PM

A second thread about Brewer is unnecessary.


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Subject: RE: Jan Brewer stands for truth and justice-opinio
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 May 10 - 09:16 PM

"I've worked in public schools in California..."   That's too bad. I'm sorry for any kids you had contact with, Rig, unless of course you had no contact with children whatsoever.   We can hope.

Not that I would want to make a blanket statement like " Your attitudes are not what any sane person would want passed on to children."   Even though there is more than ample backing for such a statement, just on your Mudcat postings.   Unless of course the proudly ignorant, lazy, bigoted persona we see here under your moniker is just a put-on. Who knows, maybe it is. Again, we can hope.


And as Q notes, this entire thread should be combined with the other Brewer thread.   And look who started them both.   What a coincidence.


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Subject: RE: Jan Brewer stands for truth and justice-opinion
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 May 10 - 09:46 PM

You'd rather have children have contact with Catholic Priests, maybe, huh Ron?


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Subject: RE: Jan Brewer stands for truth and justice-opinion
From: mousethief
Date: 12 May 10 - 11:42 PM

False dichotomy.


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Subject: RE: Immigration: Jan Brewer stands for truth & justice
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 May 10 - 11:46 PM

Well, I closed the previous thread and crosslinked to this one. Riginslinger, you should know by now that you're allowed only one thread on any given subject. in fact, we generally allow only one currently active thread on any subject, no matter who starts them. For the same person to start two threads on the same subject, is a gross violation.
In addition, your thread title is sheer propaganda. I added the term "Immigration" to both threads so at least people would know what the thread is about.

Later: Riginslinger informed me that the threads were about two different subjects, so I retitled the threads and reopened the earlier thread. In the future, Riginslinger, please ensure that the thread title reflects what the thread is about - don't try to use the thread title to express your own opinion. Threads are for community discussion, not merely to express the ideas of the thread originator.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 May 10 - 04:32 AM

It is becoming clear that Jan Brewer is a white supremacist of a very nasty kind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 13 May 10 - 07:55 AM

It seems to me that many posters are wilfully misreading the article which was linked to.

The article states that the new law does not prohibit classes in any particular ethnic culture or language or literature.

A. It prohibits classes being restricted to one race or ethnic group.

B. It prohibits classes being used to promote hatred toward any particular race or ethnic group.

Neither of those stipulations blocks study, say, of Hispanic literature, or Mexican history, and so forth.   

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 May 10 - 08:17 AM

Depends on how words in the law are interpreted.

As I noted earlier, it's likely to be--another--gift to trial lawyers. Any time there is a controversial law, there will be trials.

This is likely to have a chilling effect on Chicano studies, which should in fact be part of the curriculum--not the whole thing but part.

Dave, as you will note, some articles dealing with the law point out that the teachers of the classes targeted deny that they teach resentment or hate of other groups.

There should be no problem with including some controversial literature in such classes--even some which does teach resentment.   The teacher can then point out how propaganda works. Does anybody think excerpts from Mein Kampf should be banned from history classes?


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 May 10 - 08:28 AM

I suspect ethnic studies will continue in Arizona once things have settled down. I don't think teachers will be able to promot a political agenda and/or the overthrow of the government from the front of the classroom with the new law in place.

             Uncle DaveO is right. People are "willfully misreading the law."


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 May 10 - 08:42 AM

"...white supremacist of a very nasty kind".   A sterling bit of purple prose from a master of the art.


More likely it is, as I noted on the other thread, political positioning by Brewer to win the primary coming up--she's decided she'll do it from the Right.

It's very likely exploitation of ethnic resentment for political reasons--but you can bet Brewer herself will deny this resentment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 May 10 - 08:43 AM

The measure signed Tuesday prohibits classes that advocate ethnic solidarity, that are designed primarily for students of a particular race....

Of course, it doesn't apply to the core curriculum, which is designed primarily for stuidents of the white "race" [sic].

Or if it does, guess there won't be any classes at all in Arizona.


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 May 10 - 08:47 AM

"children have contact with Catholic priests...?"

The poster is a wonderful spokesman for atheism. It is painfully obvious the Religious Right has, to say the least, no monopoly on bigotry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 May 10 - 09:01 AM

And by the way, yes, I'd much rather children have contact with Catholic priests than with you, Rig.   The overwhelming majority of Catholic priests are wonderful people, no matter how you and other atheists try to smear the whole group with the actions of a very few.

Your record, on the other hand, speaks for itself.

How are sales at Smears R Us these days, by the way?


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 May 10 - 11:12 AM

"A. It prohibits classes being restricted to one race or ethnic group."

    "B. It prohibits classes being used to promote hatred toward any particular race or ethnic group."



             Those are important distinctions, Dave.


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 May 10 - 11:28 AM

I am flabergasted. As a former New Mexican with genes from both cultures, I deplore the action of the Arizona Republican lawmakers.
I hope this law gets to the courts quickly; I can't imagine it being upheld.


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: Amos
Date: 13 May 10 - 11:35 AM

Ya know what? I apologize for a push-button reaction to Riginslinger's contentious original post.

Those are important distinctions. My misreading was not wilful, but a little more reflection would have been good.

I am curious why such a rule was deemed necessary in the first place in Arizona.

"The measure signed Tuesday prohibits classes that advocate ethnic solidarity, that are designed primarily for students of a particular race or that promote resentment toward a certain ethnic group.

The Tucson Unified School District program offers specialized courses in African-American, Mexican-American and Native-American studies that focus on history and literature and include information about the influence of a particular ethnic group.

For example, in the Mexican-American Studies program, an American history course explores the role of Hispanics in the Vietnam War, and a literature course emphasizes Latino authors.

Horne, a Republican running for attorney general, said the program promotes "ethnic chauvinism" and racial resentment toward whites while segregating students by race. He's been trying to restrict it ever since he learned that Hispanic civil rights activist Dolores Huerta told students in 2006 that "Republicans hate Latinos."

District officials said the program doesn't promote resentment, and they believe it would comply with the new law.

The measure doesn't prohibit classes that teach about the history of a particular ethnic group, as long as the course is open to all students and doesn't promote ethnic solidarity or resentment.

About 1,500 students at six high schools are enrolled in the Tucson district's program. Elementary and middle school students also are exposed to the ethnic studies curriculum. The district is 56 percent Hispanic, with nearly 31,000 Latino students.

Sean Arce, director of the district's Mexican-American Studies program, said last month that students perform better in school if they see in the curriculum people who look like them.

"It's a highly engaging program that we have, and it's unfortunate that the state Legislature would go so far as to censor these classes," he said.

Six UN human rights experts released a statement earlier Tuesday saying all people have the right to learn about their own cultural and linguistic heritage, they said."

It sounds like a non-solution to a non-problem. WHat exactly do they think they are fixing?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 May 10 - 11:40 AM

`State schools chief Tom Horne, who has pushed the bill for years, said he believes the Tucson school district's Mexican-American studies program teaches Latino students that they are oppressed by white people.`

Gee, did he figure that out all by himself or did he have help. Hell, you Arizona folks gotta get them there histeria books rewritten.


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 May 10 - 11:45 AM

Becky in Tucson, soon there will be my son Dylan in Tucson. He has a full scholarship to UA, and even if all of this had happened before he accept this scholarship (he had two full scholarships, but UA is the best school) I would have urged him to attend.

The responses to this have been across the board. I have always loved visiting and working in Arizona, and I presume that my son will love going to school there and I'll enjoy visiting. And that sooner, rather than later, the feds will reclaim their domain over immigration issues in Arizona, along with elsewhere. It is heartening to see that cities like Tucson protest this absurd legislation about immigration, and one assumes they will also work around the mess of this latest anti ethnic studies law.

We have a several friends in the state, intelligent people who are opposed to all of this nonsense, and he'll join their ranks as a voice for reason.

If Arizona is anything like Texas, the commingling of ethnic groups and race in the high schools today is unlike anything you'd have seen when I was in high school. And it is unlike, I suspect, the environment his father experience in New York City, which has always been more of a melting pot, but probably had a lot more artificial boundaries than today. I suspect the next generation will sweep away a lot of this nonsense as they come into their own, because we raised them to do just that.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 May 10 - 12:39 PM

"WHat exactly do they think they are fixing?"


             They have militant teachers continually trying to radicalize students--probably not many, but it doesn't take many.


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 May 10 - 12:46 PM

"The bill signed by Brewer on Tuesday prohibits any classes which promote the overthrow of the United States government, promote resentment toward a race or class of people, or are tailored for pupils from a particular racial group. "


So who here wants these classes?? I thought the whole idea of civil rights was to get rid of segregation and "seperate but equal"?????






source article


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: Amos
Date: 13 May 10 - 01:50 PM

I see nothing objectionable about Women's Studies, Chicano Studies, African-American studies, Irish-American studies, Polish-American studies, Russo-American studies, Sino-American studies, or any other focused collections of data around some coherent thread.

It is perfectly true that American citizens must be equal under the law, but that does not mean they should not study their divergent and vividly different backgrounds.

Understanding history does not make one racist or destructive. Those come from failing completely to understand the present.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 May 10 - 02:05 PM

Obviously there are many supporting this legislation who themselves were a product of such programs as are our fellow 'Catters who support them. It surprises me that BB and Ms. Brewer would be against Latino or African American Studies when they themselves were taught Fuckwit-American Studies.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 May 10 - 02:16 PM

Spaw,


"It surprises me that BB and Ms. Brewer would be against Latino or African American Studies when they themselves were taught Fuckwit-American Studies."

That was what YOU were teaching???

By attacking those posting what you do not like, you concede you have no valid arguement against what they say. Thank you for your affirmatiion that I am correct.





Amos,

"but that does not mean they should not study their divergent and vividly different backgrounds."

EVERYONE should be taught those backgrounds, not just the minority du jour.

"or are tailored ***for pupils*** from a particular racial group" means that there should not be hispanic, or black, or jewish ONLY classes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: Bill D
Date: 13 May 10 - 02:19 PM

Whether or not this law is intended to prohibit all ethnic studies and limit what Latino students can participate in AS Latinos, it will certainly be perceived as such BY Latinos.

As much Amos said....I also don't see why they are bothering with such a law, as it most certainly will cause dissention and argument.

And when Arizona suddenly gets a Governor and legislature with Latino names, it will be very interesting to see the backlash.


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: Sorcha
Date: 13 May 10 - 02:23 PM

So, no more Black, AmerInd, etc....this is just INSANE.


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 May 10 - 02:25 PM

The folks in Arizona need some Vaseline. It`ll make the legislation easier to take.


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: pdq
Date: 13 May 10 - 02:28 PM

Amazing how many people have strong opinions about a bill they have not read and do not intend to read.


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 May 10 - 02:40 PM

Arizona Governor Jan Brewer has courted fresh controversy by signing a bill banning an ethnic studies program, just weeks after approving the state's tough new immigration law.

Brewer approved a bill late Tuesday, promoted by the state's schools boss, Tom Horne, who has said that the program run by the Tucson school district promotes a "destructive ethnic chauvinism."

Tucson school officials have insisted the program only aims to provide students with courses about the role of minorities in historical events such as the Vietnam war or literature courses featuring Latino authors.

The bill signed by Brewer on Tuesday prohibits any classes which promote the overthrow of the United States government, promote resentment toward a race or class of people, or are tailored for pupils from a particular racial group.

The law was approved by Brewer despite condemnation from a panel of United Nations human rights experts released several hours earlier.

In a lengthy statement condemning Arizona's immigration law, the experts said the education bill was at odds with "the right of everyone to have access to his or her own cultural and linguistic heritage."

"Everyone has the right to seek and develop cultural knowledge and to know and understand his or her own culture and that of others through education and information," the UN panel said.

Brewer attracted outrage after approving an immigration law last month which makes it a crime in Arizona to lack proper immigration papers and requires police to determine whether people are in the country illegally.

Civil rights activists say the law will open the door to racial profiling by law enforcement officers. Supporters of the law say the bill expressly forbids police from stopping someone on the basis of their ethnicity.




Seems pretty clear in the above article linked by BB.


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 May 10 - 02:40 PM

What pdq said!


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 May 10 - 02:42 PM

More amazing how those who flaunt their civil right's street creds are in suupport of segregated classes- "Lets make sure that the ****ers ( fill in your favorite minority) are given specific instruction that ALL the students don't get"

If I said we should have special classes FOR WHITE STUDENTS, there would be no end of screams here.

The LAW STATES ""or are tailored ***for pupils*** from a particular racial group"

ALL STUDENTS SHOULD GET THOSE COURSES THAT BillD and others are claiming would not be allowed- IN FACT, the would be allowed ONLY IF THEY WERE FOR ALL STUDENTS.

Only bigots would be against that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 May 10 - 02:55 PM

Are white students banned from African-American Studies programs? Are Latinos forced to take only Latino programs?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 May 10 - 03:00 PM

I was just about to make that point, Spaw.


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: Sorcha
Date: 13 May 10 - 03:06 PM

Not where I went to school Spaw!


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 May 10 - 03:08 PM

Spaw,

READ THE LAW!

READ WHAT THE LAW SAYS!

"The bill signed by Brewer on Tuesday prohibits any classes which promote the overthrow of the United States government, promote resentment toward a race or class of people, or are tailored FOR PUPILS FROM A PARTICULAR RACIAL GROUP. "


Unlike Obama's Healthcare "vote before reading", the law in question CAN be read:

actual law


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 May 10 - 03:12 PM

Well, I figure the legislation will be overthrown when a challenge gets to the Arizona Supreme Court, and failing that, the BIG Supremes will rule against any clause that tries to ban the freedom to learn.


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 May 10 - 03:13 PM

Spaw,

At the University of Maryland, men are prohibited from taking ( some) Women's Study courses. At least, the one male who attempted to take it was removed by the instructor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 May 10 - 03:15 PM

Perhaps you`d be kind enough to post a link to the LAW you`re talkin` about, BB. Not an article ABOUT the LAW, but the LAW itself. I`d love to see it but really don`t know how to find it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 May 10 - 03:17 PM

999

Posted at 13 May 10 - 03:08 PM


"E. THIS SECTION SHALL NOT BE CONSTRUED TO RESTRICT OR PROHIBIT:
39 1. COURSES OR CLASSES FOR NATIVE AMERICAN PUPILS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO
40 COMPLY WITH FEDERAL LAW.
41 2. THE GROUPING OF PUPILS ACCORDING TO ACADEMIC PERFORMANCE, INCLUDING
42 CAPABILITY IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE, THAT MAY RESULT IN A DISPARATE IMPACT BY ETHNICITY.
3. COURSES OR CLASSES THAT INCLUDE THE HISTORY OF ANY ETHNIC GROUP AND
2 THAT ARE OPEN TO ALL STUDENTS, UNLESS THE COURSE OR CLASS VIOLATES
3 SUBSECTION A.
4 4. COURSES OR CLASSES THAT INCLUDE THE DISCUSSION OF CONTROVERSIAL
5 ASPECTS OF HISTORY.
6 F. NOTHING IN THIS SECTION SHALL BE CONSTRUED TO RESTRICT OR PROHIBIT
7 THE INSTRUCTION OF THE HOLOCAUST, ANY OTHER INSTANCE OF GENOCIDE, OR THE
8 HISTORICAL OPPRESSION OF A PARTICULAR GROUP OF PEOPLE BASED ON ETHNICITY,
9 RACE, OR CLASS."


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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona law targeting ethnic studies
From: Amos
Date: 13 May 10 - 03:21 PM

Well, if they are not going to constrain the studfy of ethnic groups, what the fuck are they writing a law for?

IF what they want to address is classes which teach ethnic hatred, they should just say so and be done with it.


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