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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 19 Nov 07 - 06:09 AM I'm not exactly sure what editing a permathread involves! I've waded around in the site's assorted info pages but couldn't find anything hard and fast about the amount of work it requires, though I may be missing the obvious. In case others are wondering the same, I've PM'd Joe Offer to either give me an info link I can share here, or to please post it himself. OR - if anyone out there knows of one - ?? I think it would be a very useful thing to have, if the logistics can be worked out. Anyone else feel the same? |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Andrez Date: 18 Nov 07 - 08:47 PM I'd be interested in "sharing" the role of editing a Mac permathread if there are any other takers? Cheers, Andrez |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Rowan Date: 18 Nov 07 - 04:19 PM Another tip for Janie, when trying to open files on Macs with no separated left & right buttons on mice; Single clicking works on hyperlinks while double clicking is required for files and aliases ("Shortcuts" on Windoze). Trying to open a file when not in an application will usually open the file unless something doesn't get recognised as a file of a particular type. Macs will then usually give a dialogue box asking you to choose an application. I've not used iWorks but I suspect it is capable of opening most file types When you're in iWorks and wish to open a Word (or other) file from within the iWorks application, Cmd O should give you a series of option similar to the dialogue box method mentioned above. Cheers, Rowan |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Andrez Date: 18 Nov 07 - 06:43 AM Re the Mossberg article. Its not the Mac that cant run Outlook, its something Microsoft did to stop Entourage (as the Office email client) from being compatible with Outlook .pst files. Microsoft Outlook 2001 that ran under the old Mac OS9 works perfectly fine as a mail client in an Outlook environment. I tested this by plugging my PowerBook into an NT/2000 network (I had admin privileges and the IT Managers approval) and actually using it as a working Outlook client. The thing about the RAM sticks needing to be balanced in the two slots has not been an issue with the newer DDR and later faster RAM types. I have a 512Mb and a 1 Gb ram module installed with no problems whatsoever. My suggestion is that the user forums at MacFixit offer much more to new and experienced Mac Users alike and are much more informative than articles like Mossbergs. The link is: http://www.macfixit.com/index.php and then either look at the articles or find the links for the forums and dive in. Cheers, Andrez |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 18 Nov 07 - 04:16 AM Thanks for the link, Garg. Good stuff. Re one of the points Mossberg makes: "All Macs come with at least one gigabyte of memory... If you can, get two gigabytes. Apple charges a lot for extra memory, but you can buy it for less at stores and online providers." I read somewhere in my recent trawling through the discussions on the Apple forum (someone correct me if I'm remembering this wrong - the original source is some web page I saw days ago so I can't check it) that if you want to upgrade your memory to 2gb, you ought to get two memory sticks of 1 gig each, not one memory stick of 2 gig. This is apparently to do with the fact that you shouldn't leave any empty memory slots. As the 1-gig Macs are structured to take two - presumably - 512mb sticks rather than a single 1gb one, it means having to buy TWO new sticks, not just an additional one, which is something of a bummer. But if you want a VM programme, as I do, there seems no choice. Mossberg's suggestion of buying them from an online source seems a good one - or is this one of those beware-budget-quality situations? Anybody feel like editing a Mac Permathread? ;-) |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 17 Nov 07 - 11:32 PM That worked. Thanks! |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 17 Nov 07 - 11:00 PM Well, one alternative would have been to save the Word file to your Desktop, and then open Pages and tell it to open the Word file. Or drag the file icon onto the Pages icon on your Dock (if it is there) which amounts to the same thing. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 17 Nov 07 - 10:35 PM Thanks Garg. It seems I should be able to open Word docs., in iWorks Pages. So...another question from the techo-impaired: I went the website of my church this morning to check on the readings for tomorrow. (I'm the reader for one of the services tomorrow.) I left clicked on the link to open the schedule matrix. The download window opened. I left clicked the .doc file for the matrix in the download window and nothing happened. (deja vu, still having trouble retaining the differences between Windows and Mac when it comes to right, left, and double clicking.) I right clicked, and when the dialog box opened, I clicked 'open'. I guess I thought the Mac would magically do what was needed to open the ms word document in the iWorks 'Pages.' Instead, a download window opened for Word test drive for Mac., which I did (download, I mean.) Then I realized it was a 30 day trial for Word for Mac and an 'invitation" to buy Word and/or Office for Mac at the end of thirty days. Not knowing how else to access the matrix I needed, I went ahead and downloaded the 30 day trial version of Word. Right clicked again on the document, selected open, and it opened in the trial version of Word. I can not discern what I should/could have done to have opened the linked matrix document in Pages. At this point in time, I don't want to use MSWord, etc. I want to be able to download and open these files using iWorks. Where did I go wrong? |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 17 Nov 07 - 07:25 PM Wall Street Journal has elected to provide previous "subscriber only" material for free.
Walter S. Mossberg writes a column "Personal Technology", they published his Here's a Mac FAQ If You're Looking To Buy a Computer on Thursday, November 15, 2007, p B-1.
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB119508572403993424.html
Sincerely,
(He admits (like me) his bias upfront (PC) however, this article is aimed at average users like those on Mudcat....and he gives some pretty compelling reasons why they SHOULD purchase a MAC.) ENJOY |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 15 Nov 07 - 04:13 PM Sounds like you'd already been bit by the dialogue pox. You should know this comes from engaging in unprotected dialogue. You should make a list of all those you have dialogued with and perhaps give each of them a wee phone call. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Rowan Date: 15 Nov 07 - 04:10 PM to activate the dialogue pox Love it! Don't worry Janie, we all do it; forget technology, that is. My excuse is "senior moments". Cheers, Rowan |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 15 Nov 07 - 07:48 AM *blush* I'm embarrassed to confess I was forgetting to activate the dialogue pox before trying to paste. Forgetting over, and over, and over again. There are some things good technology an design can't fix! |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Rowan Date: 15 Nov 07 - 01:52 AM I suppose, because of my starting on 'command line' OSs I keep using keyboard commands where those who started on GUIs might routinely use their mouse. If I'm cutting, it's Cmd X, copying, it's Cmd C and pasting, it's Cmd V. Mudcat's linkmaker has a pair of 'text window bars'; one for the URL and one for the text. When you've copied either and want to paste it into its respective text window bar, you have to 'activate the text window bar before you can paste. Put the cursor in the bar and just click the mouse; the bar will indicate that it's receptive by surrounding the bar with the same faint blue line as around the box into which you post thread messages. The Cmd V and you're away. Is that the question you wanted answered? Cheers, Rowan |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 15 Nov 07 - 01:34 AM Thanks Rowan. Now I know how to open new browser windows. The paste button still remains inactive when I try to copy and paste urls to the linkmaker on mudcat, even when I am moving between different browser windows. Any clue as to what I am doing wrong? |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Rowan Date: 15 Nov 07 - 01:24 AM Janie, In Safari's File menu (across the top of the Mac screen, select New Window (Cmd N) and you should get a second (3rd, 4th...) window opening on whatever your home page is set at; I've currently got four open and earlier today I had about eight. They'll all be listed under Window in the same menu bar and clicking on any one will bring it to the front. Putting the cursor on the little square in the bottom right hand corner of any window on the Mac allows you to resize that window with a click&drag. This all works on a one-button Mac mouse; the right click is only "useful" for Windoze applications. I hope this helps. Cheers, Rowan |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 14 Nov 07 - 10:32 PM Help! I have just repeatedly tried to make a link in another thread. Went to the website, highlighted the URL, rightclicked, chose copy. Went to thread and linkmaker. Right clicked. The paste option is inactive. did it repeatedly. No joy. Would occasionally run into this with the PC. (probably something I was doing wrong, but neverfigured it out there either.) When that would happen, i would minimize the browser window with Mudcat, click IE on the desktop and open it in another window, go to the website, copy, maximize the browser with Mudcat open, and paste to the linkmaker. But I can't seem to get Safari to open a second browser window to try this. When I minimize Mudcat to return to the desktop and click Safari, nothing happens. Maybe I don't know what to quiery, but Safari help didn't turn up any answers or clues either. One option when I right clicked to copy the URL was make a link. I clicked that. But had no idea what, if anything, to do from that point. 2nd, perhaps related, issue. I was trying to link to a podcast. At some point, I inadvertently opened the podcast and it started playing again, thru iTunes. I couldn't get it turned off. I closed the link and closed itunes, but the podcast continued. I finally reopened iTunes, moved the slider to the end of the podcast, and then closed iTunes again. (Did that in the middle of typing this post - it was driving me nuts.) I am not stupid, but in spite of trying, I seem to be in a permanent state of cluelessness when it comes to anything computer. It ain't the Mac. It is me. But I am stumped. (And this is, I am sure, some simple idiocy I am doing.) *sob* Janie |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,Jon Date: 14 Nov 07 - 12:51 PM Glad it was of interest, Number6. I'll be interested to see how it goes longer term. I do believe that entry level machines are more capable than a number of people seem to realise, that software such as Open Office works well and would suit most needs, and that a destkop Linux with something like KDE or Gnome is as easy to use as Winwows (in fact, my parents who are in their 70s and not particularly computer literate (but OK as users) had no problems when I switched them from Win 2000 to Opensuse/KDE) etc. but I still have doubts. Other hardware may be a problem for some. Linux gets better and most devices we have work straight off but still I would check on compatibility before purchase, perhaps take an extra step like compiling a kernel module (not as frightening as it might sound btw) to get something to work as well as taking time searching "how tos". I think a lot can be done but I'm not sure this market would contain many people who would take those sort of steps. Of course, I guess if sales of these computers at Walmart continue to be successful and the system itself proves good, maybe more manufactures would be keen to support Linux - from my outlook, it's a hope anyway. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: number 6 Date: 14 Nov 07 - 11:08 AM Thanks for that link Jon ... very interesting indeed. biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,Jon Date: 14 Nov 07 - 10:39 AM Seems Linux is catching on in some areas. $200 for a new PC equipped to do most peoples' office tasks, web browsing and more. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 14 Nov 07 - 09:56 AM Pages, an Apple product, is also easily exportable to Word or RTF files, and won't even notice a Word macro. Seriously, though, I have not seen hide nor hair of the Word macro virus in years, so I am not sure how big a worry it is. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 14 Nov 07 - 06:54 AM Just a quick heads-up to anyone who may not already know about this (Janie, ya out there?): If you want a good word processor for your Mac but don't feel like stumping up for MS Word (part of the Office Suite, which means you are also stumping up for Excell, Entourage, Power Point and a bunch of other stuff you may not need) there's an excellent FREE download called NeoOffice which I have just installed. It's very friendly and intuitive, uses all the fonts you have in your Fontbook, and is compatible with Word so the layout & menus are all familiar. Another thing I like about it concerns that worrisome macro risk. While Word simply offers you a yes-no option via a warning menu, this allows four different security levels in which the highest will disable macros automatically unless the source is one you trust and have specifically listed in a "safe" menu - which means you can't accidentally let them slip through. I'm delighted with NeoOffice, though make sure to read all the information on their website because it's still being developed (by unpaid volunteers) so there may be a few bugs. They continually offer downloadable upgrade patches, and after you've installed it, they direct you to go back to the site and then get the patch. (Make sure NeoOffice is closed when you install this.) There's an alternative called "Open Office" but it seems more complicated and appears to require an additional download (something called XII), and at least one blog said that it ran much better on Windows than Mac, so I opted for Neo. OO hangs out at www.openoffice.org. Clicky: http://www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/index.php |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: elfcape Date: 14 Nov 07 - 12:35 AM iPhoto edit button? No, it's been there for more than a year at least. I remember discovering it last Christmas to show a friend how to improve her pix. How old is the iPhoto you're using, guest number 6? I've never bought iWork so my version of iPhoto is still the free one that came with OS X.4. That's been around more than a year now, so the Edit button has been around more than a year at least. Under the Edit button is one labelled Adjust. That's where the higher level controls are. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 13 Nov 07 - 04:55 PM It works in the other direction too, i.e. inwards as well as outwards. I'm continually amazed at how astonishingly vulnerable I am where my computer is concerned. Because - like most people - I place so much of myself in it (artistic creations, practical earning work, vital communication with people I care about, and connections that would otherwise be lost over time & distance) it becomes in a sense an extension of my mind. And if its contents are violated or - God forbid - lost, I would feel diminished in a very real way. I'm not on a soapbox about the superiority of one system over another, but using (in my case) the two of them in constructive harmony is of great concern to me. Hence the emotion behind the technology. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 13 Nov 07 - 04:34 PM Well, ya know, JTT, an opposable thumb is just a tool, also, with a few wires and hinges and a couple of levers in it. But I do get attached to mine. The reason computers get personalized is because they gradually get involved in being your tool of representation to the world, especially the cyber world with its milions of unseen identities. Like the Mudcat. You want a tool that will be sturdy and reflect your wishes, just as a good sword, sharp spear, and agile battle-horse once did. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Rowan Date: 13 Nov 07 - 03:54 PM JTT, ever since the first computers were small and cheap enough to fit on one's desk the potential and actual owners of hardware and software have argued the merits of their own choice and decried that of others; proselytisation was rife before the Mac appeared and just got more intense once it did. If you like a Mac, use a Mac; if you prefer a PC, use a PC! It's not a religion! For many, it really is, but there are some cooler heads on this thread and quite a few who've taken the 'tools for the tasks' approach implicit in your post and dealt with both systems. The bits of this thread I find really interesting are the snippets of detail about how users have resolved the problems that have been identified. Cheers, Rowan |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,JTT Date: 13 Nov 07 - 03:31 PM i can never understand the passionate way people go on about computers. They're only fancy typewriters crossed with TVs and telephones, folks! If you like a Mac, use a Mac; if you prefer a PC, use a PC! It's not a religion! |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 13 Nov 07 - 11:14 AM "Vista is starting from a serious handicap of bloated complexity beyond reason, which will make it hard to migrate toward Machood!" I can't help but agree to that (well articulated) statement of yours Amos. biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 13 Nov 07 - 09:56 AM Vista is starting from a serious handicap of bloated complexity beyond reason, which will make it hard to migrate toward Machood! The Word macro virus is defeated by declining to enable macros in a document you have received from anywhere else, and in my experience, anyway, it is very rare to even see it. Word asks about enabling macros on opening a doc which contains them. MS also has a remedy for it, or used to; I haven't looked into it for several years, since before OS X. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 13 Nov 07 - 09:22 AM Elfcape .... The editing features on iPhoto must be a new feature added since June .... if I recall there were no editing features ... regarding anything like colour, contrast, sharpness. Or if there was it was totally insignificant. I would have thought Mac would deliver a pretty superior photo editing application with their software. MS Vista also has that screen saver feature ... it also displays a mini slideshow (if you so wish) on a panel on your desktop ... along with local weather, news bulletins etc. ..... that was one of the sales promotion features of the Mac at the time .... in fact Vista is evolving into a Mac. No need to goto Bootcamp soon ... you'll will get all the benefits of a Mac on MS PC :) biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Marc Bernier Date: 13 Nov 07 - 09:18 AM Bonnie, you asked earlier what music program I was useing. I write music with MusicTime Deluxe, a GVOX product. I'v ben useing various editions of musictime since '94or'95 always on a mac untill now. It runs on the PC, just not well. They'r tech support says there's nothing that can be done at the moment. they are in the process of trying to bring the program up to Vista operating standards. All I know is it always worked fine on my Mac. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 13 Nov 07 - 05:38 AM > You do have to be smart about Word, because you can pass on macro viruses This Word macro thing has been worrying me but I don't know what I need to do to protect against it. In Word's Preferences I don't see any facility for turning off or barring macros. The only option I can find is for it to give/not give you a prior warning menu. If you opt for it, you then have the choice whether to open the document with or without its macros. But - I presume - even opening it without macros means they're still there. Two questions: If a Maccie opens a document that contains a mal macro, what does it do to their computer and email? What to do if you're sending Word docs on as an attachment to PC users? The only thing I can think of is to open it without macros, then copy/paste the text into a new Word doc? Or won't that work? I want to "be smart" about using Word but I don't know how! There's also a Nasty that lurks in .jpg images - or doesn't that apply here? Thanks for your helpful input - |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: ragdall Date: 12 Nov 07 - 11:11 PM I use Macs at work sometimes (teaching on call in computer classes). I love the new ones, mostly because they are new and look so cool. The old I-Macs are a nuisance. I spend most of my class time restarting machines which have "frozen" while students are using them. I switched from Mac to PC at home when I bought a new computer in 1996 because the software I wanted to use to interact with people on the internet was not avaliable for Macs and because the software that was available for Macs cost three times as much as it would for a PC. rags |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: elfcape Date: 12 Nov 07 - 11:10 PM Now about using iPhoto as an editor: iPhoto is amazingly powerful as a basic editor. It permits you to crop, to adjust contrast and brightness, and to adjust curves and levels. Now I'm a professional photographer and I don't use iPhoto for anything. But there is no need for Photoshop for the average point and shooter as long as they learn to use the features under the "Edit" button and then learn to use Export. And being able to create albums and run slideshows from them by dragging and dropping the images from your library onto your album is pretty simple. It's even quite neat to discover that you can open your Screensaver and Desktop Control Panel and select one of your iPhoto albums to run as your screensaver. Now I'm not talking professional users here. Just your average person who cuts off a bit of the top of the grandma's head during the Christmas visit. iPhoto is pretty intuitive for that type of picture taker. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: elfcape Date: 12 Nov 07 - 11:03 PM Virus Software: Recently on the Mac list, because of the trojan scare, we have discussed this to death. As usual, Norton was widely decried. It's been that way for 10 years now at least. So stay away from Norton. You don't need to run anti-virus software on the Mac, not even to protect PC users. But you do have to be smart about Word, because you can pass on macro viruses. However, if you work somewhere that insists you use something, use Intego. You don't yet need it, it's not expected to be necessary for quite a while still, but anyway. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: elfcape Date: 12 Nov 07 - 10:57 PM Mac users don't get viruses yet. The scare last week turned out to require you to install the trojan in order to be infected by it. It was from a porn site, hoping to lasso in those dumb enough to fall for it. There have been many attempts and they've thus far all failed. Interesting. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: elfcape Date: 12 Nov 07 - 10:56 PM Boy long thread. Now about how to get your images to Flickr from iPhoto. Here's how you do it: Transfer all the pics you took from the camera to iPhoto. Holding down the Apple key click on each photo you want to upload to the web site where you store them. Click on the Share menu and choose Export, at the bottom. Click on the Scale Images no larger than button. Input 432 in the width space (72 dpi by 6") Click on the Use Filename button. Click on Desktop when the directory opens. Click on the New Folder button at the bottom on the Left of the directory. Call the new folder whatever you like. Click on OK and Create and wait for iPhoto to export the adjusted images to the folder you made on the Desktop. Upload the images to your website by whatever method they offer from the folder on the Desktop. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 08:56 PM No, we're talking operating systems and programmes. Or at least, we were. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 12 Nov 07 - 08:53 PM We are talking MAC people... mp
Hear Bonnie?
MAC the same sort that prefer the tastless cheese with tubular pasta from a box....because you just need to boil water.
Sincerely,
I know, I know, I know....you lye somewhere over |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 08:20 PM Yes. Old news. Do you know what you have to DO to actually become infected? "A disk image will then start downloading, and (depending on the settings on your machine) may then mount and launch an installer which asks for your admin password. Rule #1: Do not install software from untrusted sources, especially if that software comes as an installer package and requests your administrator's password! However, if you do proceed to run the installer..." In other words, you have to activate it yourself. A trojan that rings the doorbell and asks you if it can come in. And please note the use of the word "may". Meaning, only if your machine settings allow it in the first place. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 12 Nov 07 - 07:58 PM Whooopppsss!!! Sorry, reference for MAC Trojan
http://www.macworld.com/2007/10/firstlooks/trojanhorse/index.php
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 12 Nov 07 - 07:52 PM 9 out of 10 programs are first written for PC
IF - they prove profitable - they are later coded for MAC - and marketed again at a higher price.
Sincerely,
nasty little Trojan has hit the MAC OS-X system. It captures passwords, account numbers, information placed in "boxes" |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 12 Nov 07 - 07:20 PM Bonnie pretty well covered it. Read thru the thread and see the number of people who still need a Windows platform because their work systems are all Microsoft. Although I don't have a job that requires intensive use of applications, I have to have Windows to interface with the company server and network from home. Microsoft is all-pervasive. That doesn't mean it is better. If I didn't also have a PC, the Mac would have been a bad choice economically for me because of the additional software I would have had to buy to run Windows. (If I had bought MS Office for Mac, would I need additional software to get on the remote desktop to access the company server?) Maybe I just made a bad choice in deciding to go with iWorks. This is the thing. For a complete non-techie like me, I don't understand, and am just starting to discover, the implications of using a Mac in a PC world. Didn't know what questions to ask. I'm not sorry I bought the Mac. Once I get the hang of it, it is clear that doing personal computing on my personal computer is going to be much easier, and I anticipate many fewer glitches in programs. Not well-equiped to deal with glitches. it is easy to stump this chump. But the interface with the vast internet world of Microsoft driven programs is going to be more complicated, and is going to be financially restrictive for a person with as limited a budget as mine. I'm glad I still have my PC. And I'm glad I bought this Mac. But I'm reminded of when I was a little girl. The trailers for the Disney movies were so fantastic. The actual movies were good, but rarely met the complete expectations I went into them with based on the previews. Janie |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: number 6 Date: 12 Nov 07 - 07:18 PM My interest in this thread goes back to my last minute decision not to purchase the Mac over my HP laptop .... granted I agree the Mac is without doubt the better of the 2 ... but, is it worth to me, the xtra $700 (+) over the HP pc which I purchased ... my HP has more than sufficient disk space, the processor delivers more than adequate speed for the purpose I require. The price I find is the clincher, as $700 is no small change. Anyway, I beleive I made the best decision for myself, plus I took the money I saved and put it towards purchasing another quitar .... another Taylor, not a Martin :), but then again I relish that Taylor 'sound' over the Martin. Lets leave this topic for another thread, and another day. Again ... I find this thread interesting and informative ... I enjoy the comments ... maybe when I go to purchase another computer in the future it will probability it will be a Mac ... or who knows, there might be a another platform on the black that maybe will be more innovative, as long as i can run Picassa2 on it. biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 07:17 PM LOL, Jon!! And then of course there will be the Error Report which you [SEND] [DON'T SEND] before you can get on with anything... |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 12 Nov 07 - 07:15 PM Folks - 5.46% of Mudcat connections are from MACS
ONE - person is using a SUN
Let us try putting it another way
All of these "stats" are available for public view
A snap-shot from 2006 http://www.mudcat.org/stats
http://www.alexa.com/ is another fun place.
Of course your address is logged - and where you came from - (quite a few nudie addicts here come straight to Mudcat from X-sites) and behind the scenes the cookies and PM can be truly entertaining.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,Jon Date: 12 Nov 07 - 06:55 PM Mac users might enjoy this one I've just seen in a (PC) Linux place. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 12 Nov 07 - 06:47 PM Your reasoning was the huge barrier Steve Jobs faced when he came back to Apple. Between completely ground-up overhauling the OS so it has all the benefits of gained wisdom AND the robustness of UNIX, plus the brazen effrontery to show the world what good system design and hardware design look like, he pulled off a miracle that is continuously pumping up Apple's market share. While all this was going on, enough hard work was done in the Windows world to greatly expand their range of applications, but except for a few specialized niches, almost anything is available on OS X that you owuld need in Windows; and if not, as Bonnie says, the Windows environment with Fusion or Parallel is available. Some applications run in this Windows environment faster than they do on a Pentium machine running only Windows. I swear this is true, but I have no idea why, except perhaps for the UNIX architecture. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 06:29 PM I think it's to do with the I-know-what-I-like/and-I-like-what-I-know syndrome. And Windows users - in the majority by far, worldwide - are simply less exposed to Apple than Apple users are to them. They can quite easily spend their whole computing lives oblivious to the Mac, but it's hard for anyone else to remain oblivious to them. They're everywhere. (I don't mean this as an anti-Microsoft sneer either: I have been for 15 years and still remain a Windows user, and expect to carry on - so I'm one of Them too.) Due to Microsoft's market-dominant position, there's a lot of good software that you simply can't get because it's written for the one customer-spending base that dwarfs all the others put together. And broadband (which speeds download time) plus good AV programmes & patch updates plus a bit of common sense mean that they are (or at least feel) protected. You can use any machine, get any application, walk into any shop, pay less (arguably: though this is changing). Windows is the biggest kid on the block, and IMHO people simply don't tend to think - or even notice - beyond that. They don't feel they have to. This insularity was certainly the case with me. It's a sort of influence (I'm tempted to say brain-wash but that sounds too intentional and also insulting, and I mean neither) by sheer force of majority. It stopped me from seriously searching for alternatives, though I got/get furious at some of the shenanigans MS pulls. AND by the way they have you by the short & curlies if you get too dependent on any of their programmes - which is another reason users don't switch. It becomes self-perpetuating. I am now so glad I ventured into Apple terrain, but in all honesty I would not have if it were not for the safety-net of being able to run dual platforms. My professional work is tied up in my computer as much as in my instrument, and I simply have too much to lose. Also, the music school I teach in has bought an entire stock of new computers - not just for the office staff but an iMac for every teacher as well - and completely ditched their PC system (which tells you something). This gave me unpressured hands-on learning time and I was able to get to know the Mac in a totally relaxed, risk-free way. Most people don't have such a luxury handed to them. Your question is a very good one. I think there's as much psychology in the answer to it as there is technology, perhaps more. For many people - something like 95% of the global market - Apple is simply foreign territory, and it feels like a gamble. There's security (real or imagined) in the familiar and folks like to stick to what they know - even if "what they know" brings them some severe disadvantages. It's the status quo, and we all know how powerful THAT is. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,Perplexed Date: 12 Nov 07 - 03:43 PM If the Mac is so good, why is that nobody running Windows yearns to run Mac applications? This is a genuine question, not an 'anti Mac' sneer |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 03:31 PM Amos, you're a true star! Thanks so much - I'm heading there now... |
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