BS: Obama's Brownshirts?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 29 May 10 - 04:11 PM

Obama's Brownshirts? Labor unions are Brownshirts?

What about the gun-toting yahoos at the Pee Party Rallies? You want fascism?
Wait 'til these groups start their mayhem. You want danger? Whatever the SEIU does
is tame compared to that.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 May 10 - 08:51 AM

The SEIU is a dangerous organization for a number of reasons, but the threat is more economic than physical. The leadership should be prosecuted for signing up illegal aliens. Why is organizing them any different than hiring them?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Bobert
Date: 28 May 10 - 11:17 PM

No matter... This thread is about Obama as having this blood-thirsty band of zombies who are ready and willin' to kill off whoever ***Obama*** says to kill off... Hey, ain't what the brownshirts did??? I mean, they were the "True Believers"... Seems ya' gotta have a guy like Hitler (or Bush) to elicit these kinds of feelings... I mean, we had one Bush draped in the flag after 9/11 after another and gotta a lot of Redneck Nation with lumps in their throats and reasdy to kill anything that moved in the name of ***AMERICA****!!! Especially if all they had to do is sit on their fuckin' sofas and guzzle Budweiser while switchin' between 24/7 Shock 'n Awe and 24/7 NASCAR racin'... Sheet fire, don't get no better than that...

No, the real blood-thirsty folks were the Bush folks... Don't much matter if they were passed out in the double wide in front of the TV with a half finished Bud in front of 'um 'er the Lim/Beckers... Same difference... Upwards of a million people died in Iraq as a result of Bush and his supporters... That is what we used to call genocide...

But it goes beyond Bush... It goes to his shills and his supporters... That genocide is also on yer hands... Not mine, that is fir sure...

b~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 May 10 - 08:42 PM

Easy, Don, easy, boy - ya gots the wrong World War - LadyJean is talking about the First one (as she clearly indicates).

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: mousethief
Date: 28 May 10 - 08:03 PM

On the other hand, Browncoats are the coolest people in the 'verse.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Bobert
Date: 28 May 10 - 07:58 PM

Yeah, Don, and thank you for bringing the the discussion back into focus... When folks throw out the term "brownshirt" they are referring to folks who got the general population lathered up to commit acts that are inhumane...

Somehow, regardless of the case that mentally ill Glen Beck tries to paint, Obma isn't bringing about the deaths in various populations... So "brownshirt really" isn't at all an appropriate analogy...

However, in the mad dash to Iraq, I recall being harrassed by a number of Bushites in an aiti-war march in Washington, D.C... Iraq is the closesst thing to the genocide that Hitler and his folks committed and if we are looking at this from purely a historical perspective, it was those creeps who best fit the term "brownshirt"... And, of course, anyone who used up bandwidth, including some here in Mudville, who did purdy much the same...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 May 10 - 07:37 PM

""without mentioning the British propaganda about German atrocities in Belgium and France that fueled that persecution.""

Presumably, by "British Propaganda", you mean the fact that nearly one hundred men of French resistance and the BEF, who had held up the leading SS division on its approach to Dunkirk, were packed into a local barn, and grenades thrown in among them.

Few survived!

Or maybe you are referring to the well documented actions of the Waffen SS, who tied unarmed POWs' hands behind them with baling wire, then shot them in the back of the head.

Two survived!

Or possibly the 50+ victims of the gestapo, following the "Great Escape", who were "shot trying to escape" (actually driven out into the countryside, let out of the trucks for a piss, and machine gunned to death.

Try telling their wives and children about that "British Propaganda".

The survivors provided the evidence of these actions which you dismiss as "Propaganda", and they can hardly bring themselves to talk about it seventy years on.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: mousethief
Date: 28 May 10 - 05:20 PM

It's the guy who invented South African currency.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 May 10 - 01:46 PM

Actually, I think he was the guy who invented the air compressor with a guy named Ingersoll.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: olddude
Date: 28 May 10 - 08:26 AM

Rand
now I remember isn't he the guy that invented the "road map" with Mcnally or something like that :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Bobert
Date: 28 May 10 - 08:26 AM

Exactly, Rigs... The "story"...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 May 10 - 08:23 AM

At least Glenn Beck is there to get the story out.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: mousethief
Date: 28 May 10 - 03:04 AM

I just cut and pasted that so I make no warranty as to spelling.

Google Hitler Heidler and then Hitler Hiedler and decide for yourself. I'm not sure the pronunciation has anything to do with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 May 10 - 12:58 AM

Just for the record, Mousethief, I think that should be 'Hiedler', not 'ei'. The pronunciation of Hiedler comes out as Hitler.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: mousethief
Date: 28 May 10 - 12:27 AM

Why should anybody go to Vegas at the public expense?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: LadyJean
Date: 28 May 10 - 12:20 AM

I made the mistake of watching Glenn Beck today. There he is, standing at his blackboard, playing college professor, cherry picking his facts. He speaks about the persecution of Germans in this country during WWI, which certainly happens, without mentioning the British propaganda about German atrocities in Belgium and France that fueled that persecution.
Nor does he mention the Red Scare that followed, when the rights of citizens suspected of being Communists were cheerfully ignored.

Then he points to the Obama blackboard, and something they have done and explains why it's like when the government interned Japanese during WWII, or when the Red Cross (Which is not a government agency.) banned German Americans from going to the front in W.W.I, when there is NOTHING like that going on in the Obama administration.

Even worse, Mike Huckabee went to Las Vegas, to tell everyone how terrible it was that President Obama said bankers and brokers wouldn't be allowed to go to Vegas at the public expense. If I ever meet Governor Huckabee, I swear I'll kick him right in the pants!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: mousethief
Date: 28 May 10 - 12:03 AM

I wouldn't want him grubing my schickl.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 May 10 - 11:48 PM

Gawd, no wonder he changed it!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: mousethief
Date: 27 May 10 - 11:47 PM

Hitler's father, Alois Schiklgruber was born out of wedlock to Marie Anna Schicklgruber who later married Johann Georg Heidler. Heidler was also variously spelled Hitler. I don't recall if Johann Georg was Alois' father, but he gave him his family name, thus he (Hitler's father) became Alois Heidler or Hitler. Alois' second marriage, to Klara Poelzl, resulted in six children, of which Adolf was the fourth.

The British especially, ever so eager to make Der Führer appear ridiculous, traced his lineage and popularized the idea that his name should be Shicklgruber, a somewhat laughable name, even to the Germans.

Source(s):
Wm. Schirer, Rise and Fall of the Third Reich

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Amos
Date: 27 May 10 - 10:39 PM

Frank:

They called him Schicklegruber, I believe, because it was his original name, no?



A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Bobert
Date: 27 May 10 - 10:29 PM

Good point, Strings...

Who knows??? Fact is stranger than fiction and it is possible that the looney right could take over the country... That would be fun!!! 24/7 Nascar... 24/7 Country Music Awards... Lots of Bud... Harley's for everyone...

Oh, of course death penality for any doctor performin' what used to be a legal procedure but, hey, nuthin' is perfect, is it??? Oh yeah, death penality for any man caught drenkin' Miller... That's womenz beer... And death penalty for gays, too... Ahhhh, Green Party folks, too... They gotta go... Etc...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 27 May 10 - 09:40 PM

The real "brownshirts" are found in the Pee Party. Their reactionary voices are close to
the takeover of Germany. Remember that Hitler started out with just 2% of the people.
They laughed at him and called him "shickelgruber" and the "wall hanger". He was considered a clown but then he got enough people to follow him.

Are you listening Rand Paul?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Janie
Date: 26 May 10 - 11:24 PM

Good on ya', Dan, and much more positive than my own grumpy comment.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 May 10 - 10:37 PM

"It's usually safe to assume that a thread has jumped the shark when when someone invokes Hitler or the Nazis."


                And both sides do it, while Abe Foxman complains. Funny, ain't it!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 May 10 - 09:35 PM

Good piece, olddude.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Bobert
Date: 25 May 10 - 07:48 PM

Well, Kendall, I say a graph chart recently and if showed the deficits over the last 40 years and it's amazing... When the Repubs are in the deficits go up and when the Dems are in they go down...

Hmmmmmm????

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 May 10 - 01:47 PM

olddude, Great idea!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: olddude
Date: 25 May 10 - 01:29 PM

well how about a happy song instead of fightin ?
one of my favorites

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 May 10 - 01:10 PM

Whoever got the money probably doesn't want to squawk.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 May 10 - 10:18 AM

1. Idiocy?

2. Cupidity?

3. Mendacity?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 25 May 10 - 09:01 AM

The democrats are claiming that the Obama administration has created more jobs in one year than Bush did in 8 years. They also claim that we have "Taken out" more terrorists in one year than Bush did in 8 years.
Rhetoric?

As a wise man once said, "Let's take a look at the record.

Ronald, "The actor" left us with a 200 billion dollar deficit, after promising to balance the budget which he never did.

Bush one left a 300 billion dollar deficit, was forced to rise taxes.
Clinton left a projected surplus of over 200 billion.

Bush two a 482 billion dollar deficit.

There was no outcry from the right in any of these cases. Why?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: GUEST,redhorse at work
Date: 25 May 10 - 08:04 AM

It's usually safe to assume that a thread has jumped the shark when when someone invokes Hitler or the Nazis.

To achieve this in the title, let alone the first post shows an interesting talent


nick

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Bobert
Date: 25 May 10 - 08:02 AM

Well, no wonder my son can't find work... No jobs... Duhhhh???... lol... Not really...

Ahhhhh, GfS... Libs don't much like either Bush's or Obama's policies in regards to immigration... However, it was Bush's idea that illegals should be able to have a "path to citizenship", a key component of what Bush was talking about... I don't think you'd find anywhere here or elsewhere where "libs" (whatever they are) were in disagreement...

Actually, most of the folks I know on the left would loved to have seen Congress take up Bush's push fir immigration reform... It wasn't all that bad... Probably one of the more decent things that Bush ever tried to get done...

The problem isn't Bush or Obama... It's the SCREAMERs, you know the vein poppin' Limbaughs and Becks who just won't allow Congress to take up the issue...

That's reality...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 May 10 - 07:35 AM

"Rigs, you twist and turn even your own words. Bobert wanted to know where better jobs were to be had."

             I guess I misunderstood. There aren't any jobs to be had in the private sector either.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 May 10 - 03:35 AM

Guest from Sanity: "GfS:..and all of them swore an oath to defend and uphold the Constitution...yet, when they don't THEY are breaking the law of the land....wouldn't you agree? Both sides do it, and they only thing that differentiates the two major political parties, is which different parts of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, they like to ignore, bend, or do away with. Other than that, they are just about the same!"

Too hot of a potato to deal with??? Let's cut the bullshit:

"Why would it seem so incorrect, to think that a government should regulate the amount of immigrants, coming in, when it might impact the country, as to jobs, crime and well-being of its OWN citizens?? Don't you think that a government owes its allegiance, to the citizens of their own country first?...especially when the government is suppose to be "We the People"?.....What gives a government power or right to rule AGAINST the will of "We the People?"
Something must correct itself, wouldn't you say?? How far are these two entities going to oppose each other, without something 'popping'? Methinks it does not bode well."

The truth is, the so-called libs CAN'T answer that question, without undermining there own position!!!!!

...Maybe instead of parroting the bogus premise, why not look at it REALISTICALLY for a change???...Remember when Bush was in office, how it was the Dems who were whining about 'W's' policy on the border. Now that we have a Dem president, they changed their tune!..Shit, you wouldn't do that while in the middle of a set would you??....in the middle of the tune??..without the other band members knowing it, would you??...Shit, maybe you would!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: mousethief
Date: 25 May 10 - 01:18 AM

Rigs, you twist and turn even your own words. Bobert wanted to know where better jobs were to be had. There are no jobs to be had in the public sector. Therefore you were wrong. No, he didn't use the phrase "to be had" did he? Anybody with half a brain realized that is what he was on about, however.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Janie
Date: 24 May 10 - 10:27 PM

Actually Bobert, I was expressing my reaction to the whole damned thread.

Seems like most are interested in one or both of two goals:

1. Baiting
2. Being right or "scoring points."

Typical of these threads, and a wonderful microcosm of what is paralyzing our political system.

Hope everyone feels powerful and vindicated.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 May 10 - 10:04 PM

Okay, Bobert, without going any further into it, there are no jobs for young people. All I'm saying is, with the exception of a few lottery winners, the only jobs that pay here are public jobs.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Bobert
Date: 24 May 10 - 10:04 PM

Ignore, itch, Janie... He's from the John KKK Birch Society...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Janie
Date: 24 May 10 - 09:45 PM

Jaysus, folks.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Bobert
Date: 24 May 10 - 09:44 PM

Man, geeze oh pete, Rigs... You have really turned te corner here and crossed over to the dark side... This ain't about illegal immagrants, mah man... It's about the filthy rich not investing all that dough we gave them under Bush's tax cuts in jobs... Don't blame immigrant for the laziness we have seen from the monied class over the last 30 years... They are the problem... Not immigrants... You want jobs??? Take the tax cuts away from those lazy butt rich folks and just start you up a WPA or CCC... Take unemployment down to zipola... No, Rigs, you have missed a few days in school over the last 30 years... You have it all wrong...

b~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: ichMael
Date: 24 May 10 - 09:39 PM

Wikipedia, about the Nazi brownshirts. Interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung

The brownshirts were killed off after they helped get Hitler into power. The closest parallel going on right now is the way Obama's killing off the Congressional Black Caucus:

Rahm Emanuel's Secret War Against the Congressional Black Caucus

Obama's Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel hates blacks. He's stripping the tenured black congressmen of their committee powers. These are the folks who helped Obama get elected. This is perhaps the closest analogy I've seen recently to the brownshirt scenario in Nazi Germany.

And not a peep out of the media, the Democrats. Do you folks even KNOW this stuff is going on? And why are you so fixated on Repubs and Palin and Limbaugh as "racists" when you have Emanuel doing this?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 May 10 - 09:25 PM

I didn't say there were jobs, Bobert. I said those were the only jobs that paid. If you want jobs, you'd have to get the illegal immigrants out of the country.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Bobert
Date: 24 May 10 - 09:09 PM

My son has been applying for the last three years... Nuthin' there... No jobs... No nuthin'...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: mousethief
Date: 24 May 10 - 08:42 PM

There are jobs in the public sector? With state, county and municipal governments slashing budgets and revenues falling everywhere?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 May 10 - 06:47 PM

"Tell me where the better jobs are in Oregon, Rigs..."


               In the public sector!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Bobert
Date: 24 May 10 - 06:09 PM

Tell me where the better jobs are in Oregon, Rigs... My son (aged 25) and daughter-in-law are both making minimum wage and happy to even have jobs...

The problem, Dougie, about the term "brownshirts" is the genocide asscoaited with it... Bush??? Upwards of a million dead form his wars of choice... Obama??? Zero... Yeap, that's right... 1,000,000 to zero... Bush has earned his brownshirt... Obama??? Doesn't seem to have to entertain Redneck Nation with Shock 'n Awe...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: DougR
Date: 24 May 10 - 05:53 PM

Joe Offer: You obviously were disturbed to read Bruce's title for this thread. I can't help but wonder, though, would you have been as disturbed had the thread title have been, "Bush's Brownshirts" while he was president?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 May 10 - 05:51 PM

That's a good point, Bill.

Oregon is a right-to-work state, Bobert, but the police Davis-Bacon and Prevailing Wage jobs pretty closely, so some industries pay a lot better than others for similar work.

I bid on a job last week where part of the contract called for harvesting dead timber--killed by bark beattles--and part of it was road construction. It had two different wage structures. The road builders made almost twice as much as the loggers. The loggers' accident (read that death) rate is probably three or four times higher than the road builders.

It ain't fair a'tall.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Brownshirts?
From: Bill D
Date: 24 May 10 - 05:35 PM

There is a wider gulf in the scope of 'private' employees these days.....too many better jobs shipped overseas have skewed the figures.


(and 100...someone hasn't his send in the last minute)