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BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?

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Subject: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 23 May 10 - 12:26 PM

So far, IMO Mr. Paul has clearly demonstrated what happens when a rigid philosophical principle encounters the real world. And yet, he has supporters.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Amos
Date: 23 May 10 - 12:40 PM

I am very distrustful of Mister Paul, although I agree with some of his instincts; but his stand on civil rights is abominable.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Bobert
Date: 23 May 10 - 12:55 PM

Let's just say that I don't hpold his views... He is for letting the corporations police themselves entirely... Check it out... Last month's mine disaster... This month's oil spill... Next month's ______________... Crooks cannot be left in charge of policing themselves... It doesn't work at any level...

Also, related to Paul's thinking that government has no right to "govern", I am fearfulll that if the country went along with his views that we could turn back the clock to any year that makes him happy... I mean, if he can justify "segregation", whcih he has, then what next??? Slavery???

I'm serious... His message may play well to anarchists but I don't see his world view as serving the general population...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 May 10 - 01:02 PM

Were Rand Paul become this country's next guru it wouldn't surprise me. Hardly anything lately surprises me. I think I've outlived my time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Bill D
Date: 23 May 10 - 01:04 PM

His 'platform' is what comes from allowing slogans and wishes to guide one's polices, rather than practical answers that might actually do something useful, even if not perfect.

He has no concept of what might happen if some theoretical Congress actually tried to pass legislation based on his antiquated notion of 'free enterprise'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 May 10 - 01:07 PM

He's loopy enough to knock Sarah Palin off of the front page.

They'll probably run for office together somewhere. Scary times ahead.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 May 10 - 01:09 PM

That's what I'm thinkin', Stilly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Bobert
Date: 23 May 10 - 01:30 PM

Hey, Eb and Magz...

This guy ain't gonna be runnin' the show and his idea's ain't gonna become mainstream...

That is reality... There have always been fringe anarchists but the rest of the population is smart enough to not turn the keys over to them...

No fear...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 May 10 - 02:00 PM

Never underestimate.... But I hope you are right, Bob.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 May 10 - 02:13 PM

I think he found out the difference of being a candidate trying for a nomination, and a candidate who has won a nomination. Suddenly the press has to take you seriously, and if they don't like what you have to say, they'll go after you.

          The same thing happened to Sarah Palin once she was place on the Republican ticket.

          Paul was smart to decline to go on Press the Meat. I suspect he'll just concentrate on winning the Senate seat in Kentucky after this, and will avoid national exposure for a while.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 23 May 10 - 02:18 PM

I don't believe he will win the general election to the U.S. Senate in November because of quotes like this: "a free society will abide unofficial, private discrimination, even when that means allowing hate-filled groups to exclude people based on the color of their skin."
He defeated a more mainstream RNC endorsed candidate in the primary who may have had better shot at winning the general. This shows that, as I've said from the start, the Tea Partiers are much more of a threat to Republicans than Democrats. I think some in the Republican mainstream must be starting to think that the Tea Party movement is really an insidious secret plot of the DNC. ;<)


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 May 10 - 02:20 PM

No idea who this guy was until recently. I just read through his list of political views, and out of the whole mess, I find I agree with him on two—and only two—points. He favors legalizing medical marijuana (not a really big issue with me) and he's opposed to government bail-outs of banks and companies in general, including those that are "two big to fail."

Everything else he's for sets my teeth on edge.

The name "Rand" rang a bell. Turns out it's his actual given name (Randal), but what struck me early on is that a lot of what he advocates sounds like Ayn Rand talking through her fictional John Galt.

Decades ago, I was gung-ho Ayn Rand, having read all her stuff.

Then I grew up.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 23 May 10 - 02:33 PM

As Confusedous said, "When one puts foot in mouth, they must suck own toes in public where all is revealed to them that look!

Mr Paul is confused-ous.

Art


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 May 10 - 02:37 PM

You ought to hear what my Democratic friends in Kentucky are saying. "YAAAA-hooooooooo! We got a decent chance!" sort of sums it up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 23 May 10 - 04:25 PM

Given that he's an eye-doctor it should be understandable why his social justice theory is based on nothing more than "an eye for an eye."

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Alice
Date: 23 May 10 - 04:29 PM

Rand Paul has utopian beliefs. He thinks government does not need to create many laws or regulations because most people will "do the right thing". Ha! Get real.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 May 10 - 05:09 PM

Rapaire, that is good to know!


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 May 10 - 05:54 PM

Yes, he's an eye doctor and opposed to Medicare and "Obamacare" -- he's especially opposed to cutting the payments doctors receive Medicare and Medicaid. Odd, isn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Bill D
Date: 23 May 10 - 06:23 PM

There seems to be this under-current in their thought processes - whether they understand it themselves, that: "People who have money must deserve to have money, and rules about MAKING money are meant to protect the right to keep making money...and the right to manipulate the rules."

I am aware that no one would admit to that phrasing, but that's the way many of them act. Add to that the idea that 'money' somehow determines 'class status'. and you get a set of principles that affect political ideals.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 23 May 10 - 07:16 PM

No laws--That's anarchism.

Utah's definition, "One who doesn't need a policeman to tell him what to do."


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 23 May 10 - 08:28 PM

It's just greed and it's been around for a long, long time.

Except in Texas where the State Board of Education has recently deleted any reference to "capitalism."

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Bobert
Date: 23 May 10 - 10:25 PM

Make that the ***Texas Board of Mythology***, C.N....

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: michaelr
Date: 24 May 10 - 03:42 PM

Any thoughts? No, he hasn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 May 10 - 04:22 PM

Actually, Rand Paul has been kind of exonorated. Today the Secretary of Interior said "The Administration was standing with their foot on BP's neck."


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Bobert
Date: 24 May 10 - 05:22 PM

How is that exonated, Rigs???


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 May 10 - 06:48 PM

That's exactly what Paul said the other day, and the media was all over him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Bill D
Date: 24 May 10 - 06:56 PM

That's because he was against it...*grin*


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 May 10 - 07:29 PM

The reports I heard was, he coined the phrase and they just thought it was awful.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Bill D
Date: 24 May 10 - 07:45 PM

The phrase is quite old.... it was clear to me that they were just aghast that he thought BP should be given lenient treatment. He sure said things like "accidents happen", as if it were some random event like a lighting strike.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: pdq
Date: 24 May 10 - 08:12 PM

There are lots of people in the Gulf area screaming for the federal government to do something, other that point fingers.

The Army Corps (or as Obama says, "corpse") of Engineers should have brought their huge booms to block the oil from reaching shore. It's been 34 days and the administration still does nothing. They have lots of oil-removal equipment that we taxpayers have bought. Where is it?

Ken "Sleazy" Salazar says that BP is gonna pay! How much oil does that stop?

The news media have decided to focus on a Republican candidate and dissect what he said. That diverts the public's attention away from the real problems: the oil spill and the Obama administration's pathetic response to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: pdq
Date: 24 May 10 - 09:22 PM

The exact quote from worthless political hack Salazar, said of British Petroleum : "We will keep our boot on their neck 'till the job gets done".

That helps? Resign, you jerk.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 May 10 - 12:29 PM

Rand Paul just saved his candidacy. He is suggesting that the US stop granting Citizenship to children born of illegal immigrants. That ought to get him about 90% of the votes in Kentucky.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 May 10 - 01:53 PM

Rand Paul is also a part of the Rand McNally Map corporation. The Rand Paul Maps are all done in colors with countries and kingdoms clearly marked:

White America (All but southern California and New Orleans)
Then other places around the world are marked clearly as:
Home of the Nigger
Towel Head Homeland
Kingdom of Kike
Slopes of Slanteyes

You can get them at the local BP station.........

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 May 10 - 02:27 PM

Wow, when BP goes broke who will carry the maps?


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 28 May 10 - 03:34 PM

The GOP is already a minority party, and they are getting highjacked by the most extreme nutjobs within their ranks. The extreme right may seem to be "resurgent" because they're making a lot of noise, amplified by plenty of media coverage, but they really don't represent many more actual votes than they ever have.

Idiots like this guy are going to be winning more and more Republican primaries, only to be stomped in general elections by all but the most incompetant Dems and/or independants.

I think it's great!


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 May 10 - 05:16 PM

If he's against birthright citizenship, he'll get half the Democrtic votes too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: mousethief
Date: 28 May 10 - 05:22 PM

Like Savoir Faire, xenophobia is everywhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 May 10 - 05:39 PM

What ever it takes to get elected, I suppose.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: mousethief
Date: 28 May 10 - 07:49 PM

Yup. LCD politics. They never should have made senators directly elected.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Bobert
Date: 28 May 10 - 08:07 PM

If anything, the oil spill should guiet the Rand Paul's of the world for awhile... InLousianna we have a high profile Governor who is begging for, ahhhhhh, more federal government...

I mean, we have had a modified version of Rand Paul's world vision since Reagan with less regulation and even when there regulations are in place, less enforcement... That has been the political climate in the US going back 30 some years... Problem is??? It ain't workin' at any level... Allowing the corportists to police themselves has led to a major redistribution of wealth away from our working class toward the rich... It has led to the worst working conditions since the 70s... It has led to massive corruption and the rise of the lobbiests as the new "shadow government"... So, last month it was a mine disaster... This month, the oil spill... Next month, who knows... This is a matter of reaping what is sewn...

And Rand Paul want more of this???

Beam me up, Scottie... One guy thinks that pot should be legal so everyone thinks that he knows everything... He doesn't know squat!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: LadyJean
Date: 29 May 10 - 12:29 AM

Rand Paul is from Kentucky.
They are a little nuts in Kentucky. The governor of the state has to swear that he has never fought a duel and is not now engaged to fight one.
Kentuckians love whiskey, horse racing and partying, but they never miss church on Sunday.

They are very nice people in Kentucky, but just a little nuts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 May 10 - 06:43 AM

That list there sounds sensible enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 May 10 - 08:48 AM

There was an article on the "Time Magazine" website that made the case that everything Rand Paul has been saying are just the right kinds of things to get him elected in Kentucky.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 29 May 10 - 03:55 PM

The irony of Libertarianism is that there is no historical example to show that it ever worked. In fact, when applied by Greenspan or Milton Friedman, it has been shown to fail.
Keynesian economics however worked quite well during the Roosevelt Administration.

Paul made a disquieting remark about Christianity calling it "the basis of our society" and that "We wouldn't need Government If everyone were Christian." It appears that this is the Libertarian right-wing equivalent of Sharia Law.

Rand Paul, I will go further, represents the kind of collective "individualism" that spawned
a dictator with a 2% popularity in the Thirties in Germany to a full-blown national acceptance.

Some say "it can't happen here" but with all of the gun-toting at the respective "Pee Parties",
don't count it out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 30 May 10 - 12:12 PM

His comments about eliminating "birthright citizenship" seem to be bringing his poll numbers up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 May 10 - 12:33 PM

Jaysus, if done retroactively, that would illigitimize about nine-tenths of the current U.S. population. Where we gonna send 'em all?


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Bobert
Date: 30 May 10 - 01:09 PM

Well, I'm sure that the Native Americans will vote for Paul... I mean, why not??? If Paul had his way the "New World" would revert back to them...

Actually. I like it that a guy with these wacko ideas is in the race... We need folks like this on occasion to start overdue conversations that no one else wants to bring up... Like citizenship... And the role of government... I mean, the Repubs have owned the "anti-government" vote for as long time but are more than likely ap'paul'ed the reality of what Paul wants 'cause the Repubs love nuthin' more than to grow government bigger and bigger... They can't get it big enough... I used to think it was just "starve the beast" thinking on their part but, hey, I think they really do like big government... And lots of it, too... Plenty of rules for the working class... Can't get enough... No rules on the corporations but, hey???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: mousethief
Date: 30 May 10 - 03:01 PM

If you eliminate birthright citizenship going all the way back to the founders, the only true citizens are naturalized citizens and their offspring.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 30 May 10 - 06:09 PM

I guess that's the way it is today. Politicians live or die by the polls.


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Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: EBarnacle
Date: 31 May 10 - 06:16 PM

Mousethief, that should be "...and their offspring who were born after they became citizens."

If you go to www.AlterNet.com , you will see a current article outlining the inconsistencies in his agenda, including that he does not want the government to make anyone do anything except to bail them out when they need help. I presume that includes paying taxes to pay for the services.


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