BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary

Subject: BS: Alvin Greene
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 12:09 PM

I would have thought somebody would have started a thread on Alvin Greene by now. They haven't, though, so here it is. One question that needs to be answered is: Why does Congressman Clyburn think he is any more qualified to hold office than Alvin Greene?

Subject: RE: BS: Alvin Greene
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 12:37 PM

A little overly cryptic, Rig. Here's a Link


"COLUMBIA, S.C. — An unemployed military veteran who raised no funds and put up no campaign website shocked South Carolina's Democratic Party leadership by capturing the nomination Tuesday to face Republican U.S. Sen. Jim DeMint in November.

"With nearly all precincts reporting, Alvin Greene, 32, commanded 59 percent of the vote against 41 percent for former four-term state lawmaker Vic Rawl, 64, who had raised about $186,000 and had to abruptly scrap a late-week fundraiser for the fall.

"State Democratic Party Chairwoman Carol Fowler said voters unfamiliar with either candidate may have voted alphabetically for Greene over Rawl."

Subject: RE: BS: Alvin Greene
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 01:41 PM

"alphabetically"? She actually said that about her own party's delegates? Who is/are the/these moron/morons?

Or... am I unfamiliar with Yankee politics?

Subject: RE: BS: Alvin Greene
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 01:53 PM

"Why does Congressman Clyburn think he is any more qualified to hold office than Alvin Greene?"

....well, Clyburn in a very intelligent congressman who can answer questions and has 50 years experience on the issues..... and doesn't look like a deer trapped in headlights.

Green is a gen-you-wine ringer. It will be interesting to see who set him up and paid his filing fees. He's nothing but cannon fodder for Jim DeMint.

Subject: RE: BS: Alvin Greene
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 01:56 PM

read all about it

Subject: RE: BS: Alvin Greene
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 02:09 PM

The thinking about alphabetical placement is that it is very important to be near the top, the idea being that some of our well-informed, educated, sophisticated, functionally-literate, civic-minded voters will check off the first name they come to on the ballot. (Same thing holds for the phone directory)

Subject: RE: BS: Alvin Greene
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 02:28 PM

...and the other Democratic candidate was underfunded and not much better. It's considered silly for Democrats to spend a lot of money in a race in S. Carolina (and certain other states, these days) when the very extremist conservatives are in the majority.
S. Carolina, besides all the political craziness, is the last state to flagrantly continue flying the Confederate battle flag....even at the state capitol.

Maybe we shoulda LET 'em secede in 1861.

Subject: RE: BS: Alvin Greene
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 04:49 PM

"S. Carolina... is the last state to flagrantly continue flying the Confederate battle flag....even at the state capitol..."


                They have a good sense of history.

Subject: RE: BS: Alvin Greene
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 05:26 PM

Ah, my guess is that you would agree with Tom DeLay and Strom Thurmond then.

Subject: RE: BS: Alvin Greene
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 05:28 PM

The other candidate, Vic Rawl, was a white guy. It was Obama all over again. All the blacks voted for Greene because he was black, and in South Carolina that's all he needed. I suspect we'll see candidates just like Alvin Greene all over the south after this.

Subject: RE: BS: Alvin Greene
From: Ron Davies
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 07:07 PM

Rig--David Duke is on the line for you. Thinks you're just the man to do some canvassing for him.

Subject: RE: BS: Alvin Greene
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 07:39 PM

David Duke is on the other side, Ron. He doesn't want to see blacks get elected. Apparently Clyburn doesn't either, unless they think just like him.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 08:20 PM

He could change his name to Redd and run as a Republican... of course they've got DeMint, but...

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: pdq
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 10:57 PM

Isn't the real story of Alvin Greene about the felony sexual harassment charges lodged by a 19 year old White college student?

Greene is 32 and rather intimidating physically. The charges were not disclosed before the primary, as far as I can tell.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 08:42 AM

I wonder about that, pdq. As I understand it, the charges stem from an image Greene showed to the student on the screen of his lap-top computer. I'm not sure that rises to the level of sexual harassment. And why would that be disclosed? There's been no conviction.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 03:23 PM

If she (or anyone watching) minded it is harassment. If she didn't, and neither did any watchers, then it isn't.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 07:56 AM

Well, she obivously minded--or said she did, which is the same thing--but she could be a Democratic operative looking for a way to discredit Greene. Or he might plea bargin it down to something less than a felony, so the Dems wouldn't have any way to get him kicked off the ticket, and if they do get him kicked off the ticket, what are the black voters in South Carolina going to do?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 10:06 AM

[South Carolina] is the last state to flagrantly continue flying the Confederate battle flag....even at the state capitol....

Not so- there's the Mississippi State Flag, every bit as flagrant and a bit more pusillanimous.

Don't forget the Alabama State Motto: "Thank God for Mississippi".

Personally, I'm waiting for the new South Carolina license plates to come out sporting: "South Carolina: Birthplace of Treason"

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: MarkS
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 10:13 AM

Thank God for South Carolina. Always can be relied on to provide a laugh during a political season.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 01:26 PM

Yeah, it helped nominate Obama.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 01:39 PM

There is talk of an investigation. One question is how he could pay the filing fee, when he filed an affidavit of indigency in an obscenity suit in order to get a public defender.

The affair is just a sideshow, since the Republican candidate is sure to win.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: mousethief
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 02:02 PM

The charges were not disclosed before the primary, as far as I can tell.

It's that blasted "innocent until proven guilty" thing again, isn't it? I wonder when that will be scrapped. Probably not until the next Republican is elected president.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 06:05 PM

Put up job? One columnist say there is elephant dung all over the affair.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 10:01 PM

One thing about it. When he talks in front of the television cameras he comes off a lot better than Harry Reid.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 10:23 PM

Rigs, Rigs, Rigs...

Pull back on the reins, buddy... Yer comin' off as a Republican operative... I mean, it's okay to just vote fir 'um but fallin' into the Republican operative of making Harry Reid some kinda intellectually challenged person compared to what we have heard from Mr. Green is, ahhhhhh...

Sorry, pal.... But we're gonna have to respectully ask you to pee in the cup...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: LadyJean
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 11:48 PM

This year is the 200th anniversary of my 7 generations back grandfather, The Reverend Alexander Porter, leaving Abbeville South Carolina for Fairhaven Ohio. He opposed slavery, which didn't make him a lot of friends on the session. Though half his congregation went too.
I think I'll sing a couple of choruses of "Praise God from whom all blessings flow", that my family was delivered from South Carolina.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Jun 10 - 01:03 AM

More and more I find myself wondering if the Civil War was such a good idea.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 15 Jun 10 - 08:06 AM

I suspect war is never a good idea, mouse.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jun 10 - 08:26 AM

I'm with you, mouse... I think if the South wants out then let 'um... They are a drag on the US Treasury anyway 'cuase they get a disporportionate amount of federal tax dollars related to what they pay in....

(But, Boberdz, that means you'd be part of the new 'n improved CSA?!?!?...)

Farm For Sale...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Jun 10 - 12:47 PM

lol

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 16 Jun 10 - 08:24 AM

"Yer comin' off as a Republican operative..."

          Well, I certainly didn't mean to do that, but the Alvin Greene thing says a lot about the Democratic party.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Songbob
Date: 16 Jun 10 - 03:29 PM

Ah, South Carolina -- "Too small for a republic, too large for an asylum." Birthplace of treason and secession, indeed, and not much seems to have changed there.

As for what this says about Democrats, it's odd that Greene got so few absentee ballots and so many (more than the votes cast in some cases) from the impossible-to-audit electronic voting machines. His alphabetical position, his name (for some reason, Greene with that "e" is considered a "black" name), and questionable voting machines means DeMint, who was pretty much going to win anyway, has an opponent who is barely competent to answer to his name (have you seen an interview with the man?).

It's what they have called a "rat-f*ck" since the days of Dick Nixon and, latterly, Carl Rove, and a rat-f*ck in true Republican dirty-tricks style. What is not evident is why the Repuglicans bothered. I guess it's just that they could.

South Carolina. Too small for a republic....


Bob Clayton

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 16 Jun 10 - 04:07 PM

Well, maybe the voters will take a shine to him.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: DougR
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 01:51 PM

Anyone here doubt Alvin Greene got the votes? No sign of fraud yet.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 02:33 PM

No, Rigs, Mr Greene is barly able to sting enough words together to make a sentence so he certainly isn't as spokesperson for the Democratic Party... More like the Tea Party...

Plus, ya' know, the Repubs in South Carolina have been known to run phantom candidates in the Dem primary when it is apparent that not only is their guy virtually unchallenged in the primaries but the general...

If this is the case then given Green's apparent lack of intellegence then if the money for the filing fee is proven to have come from a Repub then this not only screams of corruption but overt racism as well...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 04:19 PM

Why racism? Were they discriminating against the white candidate?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 05:11 PM

Just in case you haven't read it, Rig, a few months before he filed his candidacy, Greene requested and got a court-provided attorney to fight some earlier charges on the basis of being indigent. Then he turned around and paid a $10,400 filing fee.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 06:34 PM

Because, Rigs... It's friggin' South Carolina where whire people love to single out the dumbest black guy as representing all black people... Visit South Carolina sometime and you'll know what I mean... Redest of the rednecks there... Problem is that most of the white people in South Carolina ain't half a smart as dimwit Green... Tnat is a sad commentary on South Carolina...

So, yeah, if this guy proves to be some Repub plant then, yeah, this is some good ol' fashioned homecooked racism of the highest order... I mean, the kinda racism that comes with a 10 generation guarentee...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 07:51 PM

"Just in case you haven't read it, Rig, a few months before he filed his candidacy, Greene requested and got a court-provided attorney to fight some earlier charges on the basis of being indigent. Then he turned around and paid a $10,400 filing fee."

          I did read that. At least this ain't no ordinary old boring political event.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 07:53 PM

"...if this guy proves to be some Repub plant then, yeah, this is some good ol' fashioned homecooked racism of the highest order..."


                Well, it's a lot more exciting that politics as usual.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 08:23 PM

Can't argue that point, Rigs... It's entertainin'...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 09:43 PM

Can't argue with that.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 11:08 PM

Well.. Greene has been confirmed as the candidate. It's obviously safer NOT to let people know who you are before the vote.

Voters, faced with 2 barely recognized candidates, seem to have just flipped a coin...or voted alphabetically. Looks like we have Jim DeMint to swear at for 6 more years.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 07:19 AM

Yer givin' too much credit to the coin flip, Bill... In South Carolina people can vote in any primamry they want to... I think as this story gets unraveled we'll find more than a casual effort by the South Carlina Repulican Party to not only get Green on the ballot but also to get alot of their folks to vote for him in the Democratic primary... That's where the rub is...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 08:24 AM

That other guy, that Vic Rawl might develop some kind of a complex.

Subject: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Genie
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 06:25 PM

It is both amazing and depressing to me that the Democratic Party officials (including most Congressional members) will not speak out against the use of unverifiable "black box" voting machines and/or against the placing of elections operations (registering and tallying the votes) in the hands of private corporations, with no transparency in either the voting process or the vote counting.

If Alvin Greene can be "elected" to be the Democratic Party Senate nominee in S. Carolina under the circumstances of this primary election, then who knows how many governmental positions will be filled in 2010 and 2012 under similarly suspect circumstances?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional pri
From: Genie
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 06:45 PM

Ebbie, I seriously doubt that alphabetical placement would account for the overwhelming majority of the "votes" that Greene got, especially when his opponent did have some name recognition. Rawl is a former four-term state lawmaker Vic Rawl. That should make for enough name recognition in HIS OWN district to compensate a lot for ordinal position on the ballot.

DougR, you say there's "no sign of fraud yet?" Get serious. First, there's the huge question of where and how this unemployed, "indigent" guy came up with the $10k filing fee -- and the law requires that donations be disclosed unless they're very small monetary amounts.
There's no evidence that Greene campaigned - When interviewed about how and where he campaigned, he was about as specific as Sarah Palin was about what magazines & newspapers she reads.   

There are also numerous registered S Carolina voters who testified that they tried to vote for Rawls and the touch-screen machines kept trying to register the vote for Greene.

There's really no credible evidence that Green got more votes than Rawl, because there is no way to verify the accuracy of the vote count!    We have to trust that the machines are not only accurate (no glitches or bugs and were not hacked) but were not deliberately programmed to flip votes.

Add to that the fact that anyone, including Republicans, could vote to choose the Democratic Party nominee. And both Parties have been known at times in the past, where there are open primaries, to encourage their voters to vote in the other Party's primaries, especially when their own nominee has no challenger or seems to have the primary sewn up.

Even if Al Greene did actually get 60% to Rawl's 40%, that does not suggest that it was the Democrats who voted for him.

What the Republicans gain by this outcome is that neither they nor DeMint have to spend any money on the fall election, so they can spend that money elsewhere - such as trying to unseat Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 07:56 PM

It would have been a well spent ten thousand bucks then.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 08:13 PM

RIGS = Republican In Great Standing...

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 11:36 PM

Bobert - I'm not a Republican, but what happened in South Carolina seems benign to me compared to Harry Reid buying his political opponent in Nevada. Personally, I hope all the incumbents lose their jobs.