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BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary

GUEST,mandatory8 02 Jul 10 - 05:32 PM
Riginslinger 01 Jul 10 - 11:24 AM
Riginslinger 28 Jun 10 - 11:41 AM
Bobert 28 Jun 10 - 08:41 AM
GUEST,Riginslinger 28 Jun 10 - 08:29 AM
Joe Offer 28 Jun 10 - 01:56 AM
GUEST,Riginslinger 28 Jun 10 - 01:42 AM
Bobert 27 Jun 10 - 08:43 PM
GUEST,Riginslinger 27 Jun 10 - 08:21 AM
GUEST,mandatory8 27 Jun 10 - 02:25 AM
GUEST,mandatory8 27 Jun 10 - 01:58 AM
GUEST,Riginslinger 27 Jun 10 - 12:11 AM
Kent Davis 26 Jun 10 - 10:39 AM
Bobert 26 Jun 10 - 10:16 AM
Kent Davis 26 Jun 10 - 09:59 AM
GUEST,Riginslinger 26 Jun 10 - 08:47 AM
Bobert 26 Jun 10 - 08:16 AM
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Riginslinger 25 Jun 10 - 02:52 PM
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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 02 Jul 10 - 05:32 PM

It HAS been proven that illegal immigration costs the taxpayers a TON of money. Not necessarily everybody, and not necessarily on your federal income taxes. In a time of economic crisis, my mortgage payments have been going up about $500 a year for the last several years. That's local property taxes, mostly school taxes. A good chunk of that is influx of people from south of the border, and a chunk of that is hiring bilingual teachers. What gets my panties in a wad is that the feds aren't protecting the border and the states have to pick up the tab. Thats why you're seeing Arizona's new laws. Besides the property taxes, you could take a look at the hospital emergency rooms, programs like WIC and food stamps, and see who's using it here, and its costing somebody a lot of money, and I saved the best for last: look at the jails and prisons here. Not the federal prisons, but the state and counties. Its ridiculous how many Mexican nationals are here getting 3 hots and a cot, not to mention whatever damages or victims they left. When they simply shouldn't be here.
The border is a sieve, by design. I don't mind a few people coming over but its a flood. I don't mind the drugs coming over either, but look at the people bringing them now, and settling into the neighborhoods of our cities.
I don't care about a few bloods and crips shooting it up once in a while, but these new guys are dangerous.
So open those saggy eyelids, maybe with some crystal meth, fresh from Mexico, its been proven they're costing a lot of money.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Jul 10 - 11:24 AM

It sounds like they're going to give it one more try.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 11:41 AM

Yes, well, the people of California tried desperately to keep the state from falling into the economic morass that it finds itself in now, but the elites wouldn't have it.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 08:41 AM

Yep, Joe... That's what has happened here... The disinformation has spread in such a wave of emotionalism that the truth has been hopelessy buried under the avalanche...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 08:29 AM

"...and the answer to that question is buried in rhetoric."

          Folks who have something to gain on one side or the other will continue to produce studies that support their postition. Those of us who have suffered from the increase in illegal immigration make up out own minds. Many farmers, who benefit from illegal immigration still support the practice.

          The point here, however, was Bobert was asking the question: Where was all of this outrage in the 1990's. The answer, of course is it was alive and well, especially in California.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 01:56 AM

But what hasn't been proven, Riginslinger, is that the illegal aliens cost the taxpayers a significant amount of money. Most studies seem to show that what they cost is about the same as what they contribute.

The fact the voters in California had the perception that they were paying lots of money for illegal aliens is immaterial. What matters is whether they actually do cost the taxpayers money - and the answer to that question is buried in rhetoric.

It's true, though, that most illegal aliens are very poor. For all of human history, it has always been the practice of demagogues and bigots and politicians to make scapegoats of the poor - the bible story of dives and Lazarus is a good example. Why should our modern age be any more compassionate? We have a proud tradition of disdain for the poor to uphold.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 01:42 AM

The reason the folks passed Proposition 187 in California in 1994 was because they were tired of paying for a bunch of illegal aliens. It wasn't their fault that some Federal Judge rendered it unconstitutional and Gray Davis refused to appeal it. The people got even, though, in the end. They threw out Gray Davis.

                   I guess some folks just weren't payin' attention.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 08:43 PM

Interesting that these discussions never came up when the economy was humming from cheap labor but now that it ain't it's jump on the last guy in the pool??? I mean, I personally knew plenty of good ol' redneck contractors in the 90s who couldn't say enough good stuff about their *Mezkin* workers... Same folks now want to have 'um all rounded up and killed like they uis now the enemy??? Funny how things work out, ain't it???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 08:21 AM

It sounds to me, mandatory, like they are finally waking up. For years they were fed that "Rainbow" shit from Jesse Jackson, and most of them bought it. But they've nominated Tim Scott and he's got a good chance of winning in South Carolina, and there's a black woman running for Congress in California with a similar platform.
                The old "get whitey" mandate of Jackson and Sharpton is being replaced by a bunch of "I can think for myself" black candidates around the country.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 02:25 AM

speaking of millions of illegals flooding into the country unchecked, and Obama wanting to throw them an amnesty celebration, how long do think its going to take the black people in this country to wake up and see the betrayal of their elected "leaders" in the Democratic party, who are going along with this?
Or is this a mute point because so many of them are being warehoused in jails, or because the party doesn't need them any more?


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 01:58 AM

ya know, I hear rationalizations from apologists for both parties, but either illegal means illegal or it doesn't. It doesn't mean "well we're making money off a few of them, so its ok." Illegal is illegal and either the law needs to be changed or it needs to be enforced. They won't change the law because they'd be tarred and feathered.
But they're going to let immigrants in, both illegal and record numbers of legal. You don't do that with 20% unemployment, unless you're purposely trying to drive the working class into poverty.
Where else do we have selective enforcement? for first time, non violent possession of "drug paraphenalia"? Not where I live, you're going to prison, Jack.
This is official misconduct by public officials, or what we laughingly refer to as our public servants, who take oaths to do their duty, to uphold the constitution. Both parties are ignoring the law.
when you try to explain this away, you're saying "yeah, he's a crook, but he's our crook," When you protect your crook, nobody's gonna listen to girlish whining about the other guy's crook.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 12:11 AM

And now the Republicans have nominated Tim Scott, and he understands how important the recent Arizona law is to out-of-work blacks.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Kent Davis
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 10:39 AM

Of course. How else could they have voted Alvin Greene in? Republicans certainly would not have bothered to vote in the hotly-contested REPUBLICAN primary when they had the chance to choose which Democrat will be defeated by Senator DeMint this fall. Now there's a strategy!
Kent


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 10:16 AM

One major question looms, Kent, that you did not address... Perhaps you'll be so kinda as answer it and that is...

...can Repubs vote in the S.C. Democratic primary???

Just a simple yes or no will do just fine...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Kent Davis
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 09:59 AM

But seriously, what if Alvin Greene's win is explained by this:
1. Senator DeMint is considered almost certain to be re-elected in the fall.
2. Therefore it seems to make little difference who runs against him.
3. Therefore there seems to be little point in devoting much attention to the Democratic primary.
4. Furthermore, the relatively few people interested in the Democratic primary may have thought of Mr. Greene as a vanity candidate who just liked seening his name on the ballot, but who had no chance of winning the primary.
5. Therefore no one campaigned against Mr. Greene (i.e., his "positives" may have been low, but his "negatives" were non-existant).
6. The combination of factors listed above meant that there was little reason for the news media to devote much time to the Democratic primary, which in turn meant that there was even less knowledge about the race.
7. Voters are frequently told that voting is not just a right, but also a DUTY. Believing this, some therefore vote in each contest, even if they know very little about the candidates.
8. Therefore a good portion of voters in the Democratic primary made their vote based on intuition rather than rational arguments, so things like the sound of a candidate's name or his placement on the ballot (which was alphabetical) became deciding factors.

Then again, maybe it was a vast right-wing conspiracy to prevent African-Americans from being elected by....uh, well...umm...by electing them. Yeah, that's gotta be it.

Kent


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 08:47 AM

Yes, I've hired illegal aliens through sub-contractors without knowing it myself. And I'm aware of companies hiring illegal aliens with fake social security numbers--like that meat packing plant in Fremont, Nebraska, where the good people stood up and put a stop to it.

             None of that makes it right, and the board of directors of Tyson Foods should all be in jail--they send recruiters into Mexico to hire these criminals, so they can't pretend not to know they're illegal.

             I think we're on the way to solving the problem, however, thanks to Arizona.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 08:16 AM

That is not true, at all, Rigs.... You have some very serious misconception about "illegals"... There are millions of "illegals" in this country with Social Security numbers, drivers licenses, homes, kids in schools, regular jobs, attending schools, paying their way and trying to live the American dream...

Man, you need to get into the real world, Rigs, and quit parroting the Tea Party company fight songs... If you arrested every businessman who has an "illegal" in this country, you'd have to build a couple thousand prisons to house them all... And what about sub-contratcors??? If a general contractor subs out a portion of a project and that sub-contractor employes anumber of "illegals" would you arrest the general conractor, too??? If so then I would imaging that you also have to arrest one shitload of government people, too...

Man, I worries about you, Rigs... I really do...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Kent Davis
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 11:11 PM

Fascinating thread! So, if I'm understanding y'all, Alvin Greene's 100,362 votes in the Democratic primary were cast by Republicans. Great detective work, guys!

Have you figured out how the Republican leadership spread the word without the Democrats and the news media finding out until it was too late. Do you think they used secret decoder rings, or do you figure it was telepathy?

Well, anyway, we know it HAD to be motivated by racism. It was probably a white supremacist plot from Republican National Committee chairman, Michael Steele http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Steele er, well, I mean, maybe it wasn't him exactly, but anyway we all KNOW those South
Carolina Republicans only vote for people of Northern European descent like that Nikki Haley http://www.nikkihaley.com/ ...er, I mean like that Tim Scott http://www.votetimscott.com/...uhm, er...never mind.

Kent


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 02:52 PM

"It is a misconception that most are hired by crooked businessmen..."

                   Anybody hiring an illegal alien is a crooked businessman.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 02:50 PM

pdq, are you going to sit by and let your 'mistake' go uncorrected? Or are you so intent on *winning* that you think people won't notice your deceitfulness?

BTW, 100.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 12:48 PM

Nah, Rigs... I don't think you've done yer homework on just how much is collected in taxes and FICA by "illegals"... It is a misconception that most are hired by crooked businessmen... A small businessman isn't going to do that all that much because, in not taking out taxes and FICA, he is subjecting himself to some serious auditin' from IRS... The problem in hiring someone under that table is that you can't use them as an expense yet you have to make the money to pay them... Even the dumbest business owners understand that... I mean, it's cheaper to hire someone and pay the taxes than to have to earn the money to pay them under the table and not show it as an expense... Basic Business 101...

BTW, up until 2004 I hired two such "illegals"... Great guys... Took out taxes...

BTW, Part 2... Given that many "illegals" won't be retiring here the money they put into FICA is like free money...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 12:44 PM

You mean, pdq, that you stand by it? Did YOU watch the video?


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: pdq
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 12:38 PM

If people don't like that clip by Elisio Medina, there seem to be 57 more on YouTube.

Enjoy yourself.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 12:28 PM

Are you that dumb, dishonest, disingenuous,despicable, pdq?

Or maybe you don't know the difference?

Your linked video is of a Latino speaker who, far from "bragging about illegal aliens", specifically mentions "on a path to citizenship and eventually voters". He never once mentions illegal immigrants. Immigration to this country is LEGAL.

You owe us all an apology.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: pdq
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 12:16 PM

Elisio Medina of SEIU...
                                                                   brags about illegal aliens


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 08:07 AM

Good points, mandatory, but why not make that Hairy Reed?


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 01:00 AM

apparently, to every president at least as far back as reagan, illegal doesn't mean illegal when it involves foreign nationals.
Just coming into the country illegally is a felony. If any of them pay social security taxes, etc., they're using stolen identities, that's two crimes. Simply put, the executive branch is derelict.
In this region, illegals are the main source of indigent care, which drives skyrocketing health care costs. Many smaller hospitals in south Texas have had to close their doors because of it. On top of that, they qualify for government programs. So, I'm paying for the cheap labor used by big food processing companies. That sounds fair.
Now you have local areas going broke because the federal government won't do their job. and I see this administration is going to sue Arizona, because the people there simply can't afford this mess anymore. Another good use of tax money. That's ok boys, it grows on trees and some people enjoy paying it.
Bush's thugs in the "justice department" were even putting border guards in jail for doing their jobs.
The American people are patient to a fault. we keep paying so somebody else can get rich.
and I'd feel better if any amnesty talk was for people living in tent cities instead of for known felons. I think harry read, and obama should go to work for the Mexican government, oh, why I guess they already do.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 12:22 PM

"...these so-called illegals are workin' for companies that take out stuff like FICA and federal income taxes..."

                Not very often. That's why crooked employers like to hire them. Not only can they pay very low wages, but they don't have to pay the payroll taxes as well.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 08:08 AM

"...these so-called illegals are workin' for companies that take out stuff like FICA and federal income taxes..."

                Not very often. That's why crooked employers like to hire them. Not only can they pay very low wages, but they don't have to pay the payroll taxes as well.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 10:44 PM

See, Rigs, here's the rub... Even though lots of folks are considered "illegal" they do get Social Security numbers and Drivers Licenses and all that and theese folks who are these so-called illegals are workin' for companies that take out stuff like FICA and federal income taxes... What that means is that we have one shit-load of "illegals" working every day, improving our economy because they will do the crappy jobs and... And this is a big ***AND***, they...

... are younger and they are supporting our retirees Social Security...

It a demographics kinda thing and aging population kinda thing but, like it or not, if you took all the "illegals" outta the FICA equation then you'd end up in a serious situation with Social Security...

I know... Horrors... How could "illegals" being helpin' our country??? Well, if you get beyond the emotional bullshit about immigrant and delve into reality (I know, horrors, part 2) then what we see is that these "illegals" are supporting the Baby Boomers Social Security...

I know, it's much easier to parrot the right wing talking points but, hey, the right wing ain't got shit figured out about reality...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Rigingslinger
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 10:14 PM

"'...when yer sdpending 17% of yer GNP and you don't rank in the top 20 in most medical stats, other than infant mortality, and yer competition is spendin' 8-9% and ranking in the Top Ten then this ain't creating an "expensive program"...'

                Yeah, we ought to get rid of illegal immigration and put an end to all of that.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 07:57 PM

I'd never read about the english sending convicts to New England, but it doesn't surprise me, the Puritans were certainly persona non gratis in England at the time, a drive around Cape Breton will tell you where all the pesky highlanders went after 1745, actually we're all pretty much descended from the rebels, misfits and dregs of Europe, however that was defined at the time.
History is a funny thing, because only one side ever gets told. I'll bet 9 out of 10 people with college educations would tell you the civil war was fought over slavery, or that the colonists won their revolution because Washington was a military genius or maybe because the French entered the war, And that's the highly educated people, or the ones that can regurgitate whats been put in their head, and have a retention period of more than 5 minutes. Doesn't mean they've learned how to think, or to see patterns or know that history is going to repeat over and over and over again as long as those with the power aren't relieved of it often, very often.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 07:49 PM

No, when yer sdpending 17% of yer GNP and you don't rank in the top 20 in most medical stats, other than infant mortality, and yer competition is spendin' 8-9% and ranking in the Top Ten then this ain't creating an "expensive program"... It's creatin' a means for the US to become more competitive... Hedge fund manager and credit default swap people spill the 10 year costs for health care every single day...

Now, when this legislation gets to tyhe tweeking stage I hope that the health care providers get the butt whup that is way overdue...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 07:17 PM

yeah, it was Georgia that was the penal colony, but the boundaries were defined poorly then, and if you've ever spent any time in Spartansburg....well, never mind that,
heaithcare has needed attention for a long time, its killing industry and small businesses, but when the nation's broke, those guys had no business creating another expense. If troops were pulled out of the middle east we'd have enough, not only for health care but free drinks for everybody. The real problem is costs, and there was no serious attempt to deal with that. Given, thats a hard thing to legislate, but now, Hospitals are allowed to operate as unregulated monopolies, and it'll continue to spiral. My god, been to an ER lately? Three hours in there costs as much as a new Martin guitar, all proportion is gone.
The thing that infuriates me about Democrats is they had so many bad laws to undo, and they didn't touch a thing, just went straight ahead with even more ill considered programs, (amnesty for illegals) which will, I predict, get a lot of them replaced by republicans. Then whats been gained?
Except for one or maybe two, I've got too much self respect to vote for a republican, but I'm independant now and the first thing I'm looking for on the ballot next time is a libertarian.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 01:41 PM

South Carolina... it started as a penal colony...

That was Georgia, but pretty much the same difference.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 11:53 AM

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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 10:22 AM

I don't know; Joe Lieberman lives in Connecticut.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 10:11 AM

Your hypothesis explaining the political weirdness of South Carolina, Mandatory8, is not borne out by history. What about New England? England transported their criminals to that area before they sent them south.

Present-day residents in the New England states are a far cry from those roots.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 07:57 AM

Well, mandatory, hate to split hairs but if you look at the programs and laws that have been enacted that tend to create more security for the working class you'll find that most were initiated and enacted under democratic administrations... Social Security, Medicare, The Civil Rights Act, Headstart, The Job Corps, Health Care Reform, etc...

Okay, I'll admit that I am not all that thrilled with the Health Care Reform but it is a start and will get tweeked in the coming years... The rest of these programs and laws have been aimed at the working class...

And this from a Greenie who also holds nose when voting fir Dems...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 04:24 AM

I don't know about this guy in South Carolina, but one thing to keep in mind about that part of the country, it started as a penal colony. The english emptied their jails and sent their criminals there, its in the genes. But I'd expect to see more of this as people wake up to how they've been used by both parties.
I was raised with an understanding that Working class families, ethnic types, academics, etc. were better off voting Democratic. The veil lifted from my eyes when Bill Clinton signed NAFTA, and the middle class began to shrink, as high paying manufacturing jobs went to Mexico and then to China, so I held my nose when I voted for Obama, because I didn't expect much.
So who are he and the congress working for? It isn't for the American people. For China, yes, for the corrupt government of Mexico, yes, for Israel, yes, for Wall Street and Goldman-Sachs, yeah buddy.
I've paid my taxes and all I'm getting is a police state. If you feel good about that, you just keep sending those crooks your money. Matter of fact, I'm on unemployment now because of this economic irresponsibility, so if you're that stupid, send the government more taxes.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 12:37 AM

Speaking of bridges for sale, and its time to smell the coffee ..... When you talk about the Congress and Presidency of the US, there are no Democrats or Republicans, there is only the ruling class.
and as for your concerns: Hahaha, the people want what?


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 09:54 PM

Well, Rigs, ol' buddy... It doesn't...

Just seems that these threads drift in and out....

But seriously, it does relate.... The Tea Party is part of an overall Republican strategy to get back to the big money thru winning back either the Seante ot House or both...

In manipulating the S.C. primary with a less than average intellegent black man they have worked wonders in energizin their redneck base who, inspite of their own intellectual shortcomings, can hypocritically look at Green as a representative of the collective intellegence of black people in general... This is nothing but back room right wing think tank crap being brought into the picture...

Where did Green get the money to run, Rigs??? Hey, he had to have a court appointed lawyer for the porno charge he is facing... If he had $10,000 sittin' somewhere then the court would have had him use that money to hire a lawyer...

This ain't rocket surgery here, Rigs...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 09:36 PM

But how does this relate to black candidates in South Carolina?


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 08:09 PM

Actually the Tea party was the best funded 3rd party in American history.... If you look at the milliona and millions of dollars that Dick Armey's lobbiest firm spent on their Freedom Now project it makes Ross Perot look like some bum on the street... Make no bones about it, between FOX and Dick Armies clients it is a wonder that the Tea Party isn'tr even bigger...

The Tea Party was all drawn up in right wing think tanks... For anyone who thinks it is some kinda grassroots organization please step forward 'cause I have a bridge to sell ya'...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandarory8
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 07:37 PM

The tea party started out just fine and for good reason, I'm sick of having money taken from me, by threat of force, to be used for corporate welfare and to kill more dark skinned people around the world. The only problem with the movement is allowing itself to be used by jackasses like Palin and Beck.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 07:31 PM

Good points all, mandatory...


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 07:29 PM

there was a couple from West Texas, that for years, went to every meeting of the Text Book committee in Austin. I can't remember their names, but they single handedly changed a lot text books, and turned that process into the politically correct mess it is today. I think the 1960s was their heydey, and thats when they came to the attention of the media. At one point Playboy magazine ran a short article on them, where they answered some questions. One was what they thought about Catholics, (which is how I happened to be raised up). They didn't consider them Christians because 1) they didn't read the bible (very true)and 2)because they worshipped false gods. That one stumped me for a while, till I got in my parents' car and noticed the plastic St. Christopher, and we drove by a couple "bathtub Marys" (you see them all the time in Quebec, a statue of Mary in the front yard with an old, sawed in half bathtub over to keep the snow off) and I realized what they were saying, and it makes me feel proud to know I was raised in the old Celtic/european tradition of multi-god worship, and not the monotheistic plague that swept out of the stinking desert.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 06:21 PM

Yes, I think the Democrats are more impressed with power, so they'll forgo a little money to have the power. In either case, it's not a good thing for the small people.


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 06:15 PM

No, Rigs... It ***is*** all about money... The Repubs have used whatever voting block they can energize to try to get themselves in power and therefore on the front teet of the money machine... They pretended to be all upset about things such as flag burning, abortion and other silly emotional things that the so0called Christain Right got lathered up over.... But the Christain Right is not as dependable a voting block so now its the Tea Party which couldn't care less about religion but still unenmlightned, less educated, emotional, pissed off people...

That is reality...

The Repubs are whores of the highest order... I'm not saying that the Dems aren't motivated by money also but the Dems just aren't as overtly whoring themselves to get to the money trough...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 06:06 PM

I'm not sure it has anything to do with the Tea Party, but the dumbing down of the Texas text books was done by people hopefully addicted to the ancient superstition of Christianity. We need to have people with clear heads writing text books so these kinds of things don't happen.

          Obviously, the Tea Party people who are smater are not those members who are so addicted.


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