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Pub music in Scotland?

buddhuu 13 Jun 10 - 12:28 PM
patriot1314 13 Jun 10 - 02:29 PM
John MacKenzie 13 Jun 10 - 02:53 PM
GUEST,Allan C 13 Jun 10 - 03:20 PM
Tattie Bogle 13 Jun 10 - 05:41 PM
Zen 13 Jun 10 - 06:59 PM
buddhuu 13 Jun 10 - 07:10 PM
Jack Campin 13 Jun 10 - 08:04 PM
GUEST,John J (on safari) 14 Jun 10 - 06:32 AM
Nick 14 Jun 10 - 08:40 AM
buddhuu 14 Jun 10 - 09:02 AM
brezhnev 14 Jun 10 - 09:16 AM
Nick 14 Jun 10 - 07:34 PM
Tattie Bogle 14 Jun 10 - 09:17 PM
GUEST,jim bainbridge 08 Sep 16 - 03:51 PM
Jack Campin 08 Sep 16 - 07:17 PM
Johnny J 09 Sep 16 - 08:26 AM
GUEST 09 Sep 16 - 01:07 PM
Jack Campin 09 Sep 16 - 05:56 PM
GUEST,patriot 17 Apr 18 - 01:26 PM
GUEST,akenaton 17 Apr 18 - 01:43 PM
GUEST,patriot 19 Apr 18 - 03:08 PM
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Subject: Pub music in Scotland?
From: buddhuu
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 12:28 PM

My wife and I usually go to SW Ireland for holidays - largely for the pub music.

We're thinking about maybe visiting SW Scotland this year. Probably somewhere around the west coast, not too far up. Maybe near Ayr. I don't have a clue where to look for pub music sessions in that (or any other) part of Scotland.

Anyone got any pointers?

Thanks.

Rick


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Subject: RE: Pub music in Scotland?
From: patriot1314
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 02:29 PM

Wellingtons Bar in Ayr has a regular Sunday night session.
It's been running for the past 19 years, good mix of traditional and all sorts.


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Subject: RE: Pub music in Scotland?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 02:53 PM

It's nowhere near where you're going, but for anybody else who's heading to the highlands. Dave Goulder and I run a session on Wednesday nights, at the Achness Hotel, Rosehall, Sutherland.

BTW, there will be a musical weekend of songs, sessions, and swigging, at this hotel, last weekend in October, for anybody who's interested.


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Subject: RE: Pub music in Scotland?
From: GUEST,Allan C
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 03:20 PM

If you make it across to the Borders, every Friday at Kelso we have an open-mic in the Black Swan from around 8PM then move over to the Cobbles Inn after 10pm for a pub session until about 1am. Everyone's welcome to join in or just listen - and hopefully enjoy :-)


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Subject: RE: Pub music in Scotland?
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 05:41 PM

Rick, you don't give any dates (maybe best not to on a public forum!) but there are a number of festivals coming up, at which there should be plenty of sessions:
Newcastleton (Borders) first weekend in July
Stonehaven (a wee bit S of Aberdeen) 8th-11th July
Hebridean Celtic (Stornoway, Outer Hebrides) 14th-17th July
Rolling Hills (Melrose, Borders) 23rd-25th July
Falkland Big Tent (Fife) - same weekend
Lomond (Balloch, S end of Loch Lomond) 30th July -1st August
Auchtermuchty (Fife) 13th-15th August
Innerleithen (Borders) 20th-22nd August
Kirriemuir (Angus) 3rd -5th September
Linlithgow (15 miles W of Edinburgh) 8th-12th September
Douglasdale (west centrql lowlands) 17th-19th September
Jura (inner Hebrides)24th-26th September

Pretty well all of these have their own websites, so a quick Google will get you the details.

Also I believe there is a monthly session at a pub somewhere up in Glen Trool Galloway forest) with Jim Bainbridge.

Good luck!


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Subject: RE: Pub music in Scotland?
From: Zen
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 06:59 PM

Pub sessions in Glasgow, Edinburgh, Stirling and Dunblane (and a few other Central Scotland places) too. PM me for details if you're in that area.


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Subject: RE: Pub music in Scotland?
From: buddhuu
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 07:10 PM

Thanks for the replies so far! :-)

Please keep them coming. The more leads to check out the better.


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Subject: RE: Pub music in Scotland?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 08:04 PM

Portpatrick Folk Festival (near Stranraer) in September.

As far as I know it's wall-to-wall Irish, so I've never considered going to it. There isn't much except Irish music at any folk event in southwest Scotland, except the Girvan festival (which you've missed).


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Subject: RE: Pub music in Scotland?
From: GUEST,John J (on safari)
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 06:32 AM

The wrong bit of Scotland, but I believe there are frequent sessions in Dunkeld, it's just a matter of who turns up and starts playing. Not sure of the name of the pub / hotel, but as you enter the town from the bridge it's the first turning on the right - the pub is virtually facing you.

JJ


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Subject: RE: Pub music in Scotland?
From: Nick
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 08:40 AM

I was in Arran recently and they have a mixed session / song on a Sunday night in the Ormidale in Brodick, and two on a Tuesday; one at the Tsurig bar in Whiting Bay which I really enjoyed and a Bluegrass one on the same night in the Catacol Hotel. There may also be odd other things - if you look for the Arran Folk festival there are contacts etc


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Subject: RE: Pub music in Scotland?
From: buddhuu
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 09:02 AM

Cheers, guys - Nick especially. The Arran ones may be do-able. :-)


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Subject: RE: Pub music in Scotland?
From: brezhnev
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 09:16 AM

if you find yourself anywhere near the Machars, go to the Whaup at Whauphill.


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Subject: RE: Pub music in Scotland?
From: Nick
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 07:34 PM

Pleasure. The Arran crowd were very friendly and welcoming and it's a while since I played in a session with two harps and a set of small pipes. My wife and I got included early on and sang and played. It was a really nice mixture of songs and tunes.


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Subject: RE: Pub music in Scotland?
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 09:17 PM

Arran Folk Festival was last week!
The place mentioned in Dunkeld (Perthshire) is the Taybank: used to belong to Dougie Maclean: it's still a music pub, with some resident instruments


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Subject: RE: Pub music in Scotland?
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge
Date: 08 Sep 16 - 03:51 PM

Just in case anyone takes the long road to the House o Hill in Glentrool, near Newton Stewart for a session- I believe things still happen there, but we gave it up a few years ago when it changed from being an old fashioned, rundown old Scottish pub to a bistro/restaurant with a bar.
They sold good real ale last time I was there,and the country is lovely, but but it was no use any more for the kind of music session I like. Am now finding the real thing in Ireland.


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Subject: RE: Pub music in Scotland?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 Sep 16 - 07:17 PM

This weekend is Linlithgow Folk Festival:

http://www.linlithgowfolk.com/index.php/news/215-the-18th-linlithgow-folk-festival-programme


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Subject: RE: Pub music in Scotland?
From: Johnny J
Date: 09 Sep 16 - 08:26 AM

Sadly, good pub sessions are declining in recent years. The trend seems to be towards "Open Mic" nights and similar or booked performers with PA etc.

Possibly, this is down to noisy pubs and the management's desire to attract more punters(Though they usually tend to prefer big football screens)but there's also a tendency for many musicians and singers who just want to be heard themselves as opposed to wanting to share the music with others.

Also, many of those sessions which do exist seem to attract singer/strummer types and/or afficiandos of American music. :-(

There are, of course, still some good places worth seeking out. Moniaive Fesival(Now past, second weekend in May) is a great weekend too.
Also, there's a few good places "Up North" but these are eiher just weekly or even more irregular.


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Subject: RE: Pub music in Scotland?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Sep 16 - 01:07 PM

Moniaive Bluegrass Festival - September 23-25. Always sessions in the Hotel and Pub - but Bluegrass/Old Timey/Americana. A super festival, the only Bluegrass Festival left in Scotland


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Subject: RE: Pub music in Scotland?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Sep 16 - 05:56 PM

Another reason for the decline is ossification. A lot of sessions have had the same core of regulars for many years, and they evolve a conservative culture where a newcomer is discouraged from bringing in any new material. They'll either meet with "we used to play that but we got bored with it" or "we don't already know it so we're not going to try".

Some sessions have setlists. These are an unmitigated disaster.

A lot of us got involved in Scottish traditional music because of its limitless variety and unpredictability; there's far more in it than anyone could experience and learn in a lifetime. You'd never guess that from watching a roomful of old people playing the same repertoire every week off a table covered with paper.

Not all sessions are like that, but far too many are.


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Subject: RE: Pub music in Scotland?
From: GUEST,patriot
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 01:26 PM

so why doesn't it happen in Scotland as well as Ireland?


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Subject: RE: Pub music in Scotland?
From: GUEST,akenaton
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 01:43 PM

Different motivation Patriot.....the young singers and musicians in Scotland seem to be more interested in finding a saleable sound than reflecting the culture of their native land.
The Irish have an organised musical culture dept which actively promotes traditional music in all its forms through competitions and street playing.....just for the sheer joy of it


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Subject: RE: Pub music in Scotland?
From: GUEST,patriot
Date: 19 Apr 18 - 03:08 PM

Bit more to it, I think- there are plenty of very poor 'traditional' but manic musical groups in Ireland who seek fame & fortune (and money of course) who having been acclaimed by the media head off on US tours, and while most have plenty of virtuosity there's little else to offer except frantic activity.

nb a suitable Irish language name for such bands is essential!!

Thats probably what similar Scottish groups would like as well, but it doesn't explain why the informal small scale scene is so much smaller in Scotland?


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Subject: RE: Pub music in Scotland?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 19 Apr 18 - 04:31 PM

Surely pub music is mostly C&W in both Scotland and Ireland?


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Subject: RE: Pub music in Scotland?
From: GUEST,patriot
Date: 20 Apr 18 - 02:44 PM

Yes, country & Irish is the standard in Ireland, so-called trad is a very poor second. Didn't know it was similar in Scotland?

The set list 'session' is sadly all too common- i heard one organiser saying to a newcomer-#'you'll need to learn THESE tunes! Oh dear- I think spontaneity is ALL & if it's not there you might as well stay in the house & play alonga CD!


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