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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 01:14 AM

Problem - if a gunge expands to cover twice the area of a pond and it takes n days to cover the pond, when will it cover 1/2 the pond?

Answer - n-1 days....

Regarding "Play Little Victims" - by Kenneth Cook (the page will probably disappear eventually)

Fiction - paperback; Futura; 87 pages; 1978.

I first read Play Little Victims as part of my Year 9 English class at school -- way back in the 1980s. It was one of those quirky little books that I much enjoyed at the time and has stayed with me ever since.

Long out of print, I have searched high and low for this book over the years. Recently I found it on Amazon Marketplace for 20 pence (!!) and ordered it straight away.

Re-reading it as an adult, the brilliance of this story has not diminished in any way. If anything, it resonates much stronger now that I am more aware of my own mortality and of mankind's road to self-destruction.

It's basically a macabre satire about two mice that survive the end of the world. Adamus and Evemus (geddit?) start being fruitful and multiply -- and multiply and multiply -- until it's quite apparent there's an over-population problem.

An official governing body is set up, which then spends the rest of the book trying to work out ways of solving this problem. With the Word of Man to guide them -- a bible and 4,268 editions of the New York Times -- they systematically introduce wars, pollution, abortion, road-death, alcohol and cigarettes to stem the ever-increasing numbers of mice living in Earth's one remaining habitable valley.

When they stumble upon the final solution -- revealed on the very last page of this novella -- it is more horrifying than one could possibly imagine. It makes your skin crawl and your spine shudder.

The beauty of this charming and intelligent fable is its polished brevity. It's also laugh-out-loud funny in places, startling and morbidly dark in others. It says so much about the state of the world right now I find it amazing that Play Little Victims has never been reprinted: it would garner such an audience today. Perhaps because it is by an Australian, little known outside of his homeland, it just never gained the international attention it deserved. I'm sure that would not have been the case had he been a Brit or an American...


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 01:08 AM

Read Play Little Victims and be enlightened in a somewhat slightly humorous way...


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 03:06 PM

The Faulkner quote is very much germane to the present, IMHO, Alex. The war is a little dumber, more inbred, less clear and more obscured with material veneers. But it is every iota as much in play as when Faulkner wrote.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 11:57 AM

The Faulkner quote is a product of the Cold War. The Cold War is over. Our problems are different now.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 10:11 AM

As a species we have always had large areas of uncharted shallows and insanities, but we also have had many peaks of drive, intelligence, insight and determination to make things better.

NEver underestimate the shifting power of a small group of people with An Idea.

If we have a problem in our present crowded state, perhaps it is simply that the New Thought has not been thunk.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: goatfell
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 09:44 AM

no one really knows when man-kind will end, and when it does there is absoulty anything we can do about because when you die , you die


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 07:35 PM

Or competence.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: kendall
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 07:27 PM

Or delusions of adequacy.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 06:07 PM

The self-awareness stuff has a lot top answer for. Being able to contemplate our own existence gives us delusions of grandeur.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: kendall
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 02:40 PM

Man is a Johnnie come lately on this ball. It was never designed for us and we don't know how to use it. Like a child with a delicate instrument, we are destroying it. I'm past caring.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 01:31 PM

Amos, HURRAH for that wonderful William Faulkner quote!!!!   The man has it right, in my opinion.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 01:25 PM

I think it's kinda like Jerry Falwell stocking up on food and ammunition for the end of the world in 2000....


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 12:19 PM

Guest,999 is right, it doesn't have to be this way. But when too many people believe the end is near it can become self-fulfilling prophecy. Remember when Reagan named James Watt as Secretary of the Interior. Watt too believed that the Judgment Day was nigh, and in his tenure as the man responsible for conserving our resources he protected less species and opened more public land up to mining, ranching and oil drilling than anyone who had ever held that position. Watt, an avowed Christian, was later indicted on corruption charges and plead out. In a 2001 interview, Watt applauded the Bush administration energy strategy and said its prioritization of oil drilling and coal mining above conservation is just what he recommended in the early 1980s. "Everything Cheney's saying, everything the president's saying - they're saying exactly what we were saying 20 years ago, precisely ... Twenty years later, it sounds like they've just dusted off the old work." An earlier Republican president, Teddy Roosevelt must have been rolling in his grave. People who have a belief system that convinces them that we are living in the end times (and those that do think it's a good thing BTW) should not be involved in any kind of decision making on public policy. If you believe that the last generation of mankind is already here, why would you feel the need to be in government anyway, unless you think God needs a hand in that whole doomsday thing. Let the rest of us deluded fools who still have hope try to pull us back from the precipice, even if you think our efforts are destined to fail.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 11:59 AM

If this myth [Sisyphus] is tragic, that is because its hero is conscious. Where would his torture be, indeed, if at every step the hope of succeeding upheld him? The workman of today works every day in his life at the same tasks, and this fate is no less absurd. But it is tragic only at the rare moments when it becomes conscious. Sisyphus, proletarian of the gods, powerless and rebellious, knows the whole extent of his wretched condition: it is what he thinks of during his descent. The lucidity that was to constitute his torture at thes ames time crowns his victory. There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.

                         --Albert Camus, The Myth of Sisyphus


They have aims, and they know how to attain them. They have an environment and they have information about their environment. They also have spirituality of many kinds, and they talk a great deal. And all of this outside of the real. They live, and they do not realize what they live. Their experience is ordered without being comprehended. They experience of it what component part it has in common with other experiences, and are oriented. To each of them eternity calls, "Be!" They smile at eternity and answer, "I have information."

                        --Martin Buber, Daniel, "On Reality:
                        Dialogue Above The City."


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 11:24 AM

William Faulkner, in his acceptance speech for the Nobel Prize:

"Our tragedy today is a general and universal physical fear so long sustained by now that we can even bear it. There are no longer problems of the spirit. There is only one question: When will I be blown up? Because of this, the young man or woman writing today has forgotten the problems of the human heart in conflict with itself which alone can make good writing because only that is worth writing about, worth the agony and the sweat. He must learn them again. He must teach himself that the basest of all things is to be afraid: and, teaching himself that, forget it forever, leaving no room in his workshop for anything but the old verities and truths of the heart, the universal truths lacking which any story is ephemeral and doomed--love and honor and pity and pride and compassion and sacrifice. Until he does so, he labors under a curse. He writes not of love but of lust, of defeats in which nobody loses anything of value, and victories without hope and worst of all, without pity or compassion. His griefs grieve on no universal bones, leaving no scars. He writes not of the heart but of the glands.

      Until he learns these things, he will write as though he stood among and watched the end of man. I decline to accept the end of man. It is easy enough to say that man is immortal because he will endure: that when the last ding-dong of doom has clanged and faded from the last worthless rock hanging tideless in the last red and dying evening, that even then there will still be one more sound: that of his puny inexhaustible voice, still talking. I refuse to accept this. I believe that man will not merely endure: he will prevail. He is immortal, not because he alone among creatures has an inexhaustible voice, but because he has a soul, a spirit capable of compassion and sacrifice and endurance. The poet's, the writer's, duty is to write about these things. It is his privilege to help man endure by lifting his heart, by reminding him of the courage and honor and hope and pride and compassion and pity and sacrifice which have been the glory of his past. The poet's voice need not merely be the record of man, it can be one of the props, the pillars to help him endure and prevail.

"


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 11:07 AM

If mankind goes PFFFT! the Universe will not care. Neither will the planet or even the ground you're on. Something will come along and replace Homo not-so-Sapiens -- cockroaches, probably.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Stu
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 10:22 AM

"And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."
King James Version, Genesis 1:28

This sentence sums up the problem perfectly. The earth cannot be subdued at all, and our dominion over every living thing is a display of our arrogance and ignorance to the other beings we share our planet with.

Luckily, nature has an answer and soon we'll go the way of the Dodo, another fowl our dominion over was brief and defined by reckless greed.

Shame really, we have so much potential.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 10:20 AM

Bullshit. As humans, we can change the course of our collective future. And whether we have one or not. We were able to get through decades of MAD and what seemed like a hundred years of Cheney and Bush. Oil will be a problem, but maybe that means more shank`s mare and less vroom-vroom. We spend altogether too much time hating others and not enough taking care of the survival business. We have too many billionaires and not enough people living well. Too many `big shots` deciding out futures--or maybe more to the point ripping off the world to ensure the only future is for their kith and kin.




by Bob Dylan 1963, 1965 Warner Bros. Inc Renewed Special Rider Music

I will not go down under the ground
"Cause somebody tells me that death's comin' 'round
An' I will not carry myself down to die
When I go to my grave my head will be high,
Let me die in my footsteps
Before I go down under the ground.

There's been rumors of war and wars that have been
The meaning of the life has been lost in the wind
And some people thinkin' that the end is close by
"Stead of learnin' to live they are learning to die.
Let me die in my footsteps
Before I go down under the ground.

I don't know if I'm smart but I think I can see
When someone is pullin' the wool over me
And if this war comes and death's all around
Let me die on this land 'fore I die underground.
Let me die in my footsteps
Before I go down under the ground.

There's always been people that have to cause fear
They've been talking of the war now for many long years
I have read all their statements and I've not said a word
But now Lawd God, let my poor voice be heard.
Let me die in my footsteps
Before I go down under the ground.

If I had rubies and riches and crowns
I'd buy the whole world and change things around
I'd throw all the guns and the tanks in the sea
For they are mistakes of a past history.
Let me die in my footsteps
Before I go down under the ground.

Let me drink from the waters where the mountain streams flood
Let me smell of wildflowers flow free through my blood
Let me sleep in your meadows with the green grassy leaves
Let me walk down the highway with my brother in peace.
Let me die in my footsteps
Before I go down under the ground.

Go out in your country where the land meets the sun
See the craters and the canyons where the waterfalls run
Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, Idaho
Let every state in this union seep in your souls.
And you'll die in your footsteps
Before you go down under the ground.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 10:03 AM

Take a look at this Hubble image of the deepest we have ever looked into space. Then click on it for an enlarged view. It just goes on & on & on. Almost everything you see there is a galaxy like ours.
   Our only significance is to ourselves. The universe doesn't care.

We can do what we can do, but this tiny island is all we have.....


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 09:22 AM

As a wise man said, "If a man lives, he will die."

When you think about it, it really doesn't matter; and it doesn't matter that it doesn't matter.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 09:09 AM

Yeah, Bobert... I am just gonna buy a little chicken today.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 07:42 AM

What, you got stock in 'um, Bill??? Heck, I ain't buying nuthin' with a shelf life of 2 years if we're all gonna be gone in a few days...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 11:05 PM

You can eat Mayan bananas until Dec. 2012, they tell me.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 08:59 PM

Well, that's it!!!

If this is going to be the way it is I ain't wastin' no more money on green bananas... I mean, I could spend a couple bucks on 'um and then all of mankind be wiped out the next day and I woulda wasted my couple bucks...

No more green bananas until they call off "The End Is Near"!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: mauvepink
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 08:34 PM

There are no appeal courts in Nature!

mp


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 08:16 PM

As he was marched to the gallows, the condemned kept muttering, "This can't be happening to me, there'll be a reprieve, this is a joke, it can't happen to me, why didn't my appeal come through, ah, there'll be a reprieve, this can't be happening to me...."


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 07:44 PM

A few volcanoes going bang, a nice plague like Ebola running worldwide, and a wide-spread famine might be Nature's way of thinning the herd.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 07:43 PM

Thomas Malthus wrote about population 200 years ago, and his writings were quite well known. It says something about the human propensity to take the short-term view that so few took Malthus seriously until Paul Ehrlich....

Most of the major problems we face...both personally and as a species... have elements of ignoring obvious issues until they are right on the verge of being out of control. (gaining weight, drilling for oil, overfishing, building in flood plains, playing music too loud, adding poorly tested 'stuff' to foods, not bothering to exercise, collecting too much stuff in our homes until we can't move, building bigger weapons....etc..)


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 07:37 PM

It is written that all living things carry the seeds of its own destruction. I think ours is greed.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Paul Burke
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 07:30 PM

Something Will Come Up.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 06:56 PM

Sounds to me, Bill, that people were just using Biblical verse to sanction what they would have wanted to do anyway, regardless...

And as for the ancient Hebrews who wrote those verses...why would they not have visualized Nature as being under the dominion of man? ;-) And how could they ever have imagined that Nature's bounty would run out some day?


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 06:50 PM

Mathematical solution: Shoot every second person on earth.

Reasonable solution: Stop breeding like there was no tomorrow, because if you don't there won't be.

Our "leaders" really should lead, but I'm not exactly hopeful. Like an army always ready to fight the last war, they will continue on the same old paths until the end.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: mauvepink
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 06:35 PM

"Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground"

Well we have sure made sure there are far less of all of them for us to rule or have domain over!

Sadly, the cop out usually goes something like... "Man was given free will", so anything that is happening is Man's fault and it's all about sin after the 'fall'. Not Autumn, but in the biblical sense.

But we were also given eyes to see with and the sad fact is that too many are wearing blinkers to see the whole thing. With or without invoking religion, we have a lot to answer for.

:-(

mp


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 06:26 PM

Biblical passage many have taken too literally & too far.        

"And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."
King James Version, Genesis 1:28
        "God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
    New International Version, Genesis 1:28


Where IS the verse about using reason and restraint? Does God have to spell out the consequences of 'multiplying' with total abandon?


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: mauvepink
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 06:07 PM

"Meanwhile, life goes on. We laugh. We plan. We invent. We build. We adapt."

We are born, we live, we die.

Sadly the last bit of your sentence is probably wrong for Homo sapiens in the modern world. Like no other species on Earth. Our trouble is WE are NOT adapting. WE are adapting the world around us to fit us. We are not physically adapting to the world at all. That will be our downfall, I believe, because - unlike Homo sapiens - other flora and fauna cannot adapt at the rate we are changing the planet. Extinctions are plentiful each year and each one is a nail in the coffin, not only the final nail in the coffin of that particular species, but in ours. Eventually our coffin and fate will be sealed.

The one species extiction the world could manage to survive a lot longer on is that of Homo sapiens.

Unless we develop the intelligence to truly adapt - and fit within the whole ecosystem without further destruction - then we really will lose it all.

Imagine an alien intelligence visiting the Earth. Their task to purger the Earth of harmful intelligence. How would they deem our intelligence to, say, that of a Dolphin. It is social, a master of it's environment, lives well within its means and fits in well in the food chain and does not damage it's environment. How does that measure against Man?

Just a few opinions

mp


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 06:04 PM

I was browsing in a bookshop the other day and came upon an illustrated (i.e. 'coffee table') edition of one of Stephen Hawking's books. If I remember the passage that I read correctly he had calculated that if we go on breeding at the same rate as today, in 600 years time humans will be standing shoulder-to-shoulder over the entire surface of the planet; if we go on using energy at the same rate, in 600 years time the surface of the planet will be red hot. Obviously these two outcomes are mutually exclusive. It seems, then, that we have less than 600 years left. 600 years is nothing - the tiniest first fraction of a micro-second of an eyeblink - such a time span probably wouldn't even show up in the fossil record. We probably should consider ourselves to be as good as extinct now ...


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 05:53 PM

I plan to incarnate somewhere else next time anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 05:46 PM

Or as we used to call it, I&I.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 05:34 PM

We're breeding ourselves into extinction. We're consuming all the resources. The earth needs to get rid of us, so she can have a bit of R&R.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: gnu
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 05:31 PM

I think Art has the best take on it.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Wesley S
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 05:16 PM

The end of mankind doesn't mean it's the end of the world. The planet will do just fine without us. We hate to think that way but it's true. It the same feeling we have when an Ex of ours goes on to have a happy life. We'd rather they be miserable without us.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Art Thieme
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 05:05 PM

It's not the heat, it's the humanity!


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 04:44 PM

Of course humanity will become extinct. But I also remember Clarke's Law: When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is probably wrong.

I think that there are Hard Times ahead, but when haven't there been? In the meantime, if we really are past the Point of No Return and things are going to crash down around our heads what can we do about it?

I live in the area of "Yellowstone Caldera" and it's overdue to blow. If it blows, what am I going to do -- run out and put a cork in it? I just can't get up the excitement I used to about things I have no control over. I've done what I could and I will continue doing what I can, but worrying about things like the eventual death of the Sun or the extinction of Humanity...sorry, but I'm more concerned about getting the lawn cut.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 04:41 PM

The End of the world is nigh... prepare to meet thy doom..... I remember the sandwich board man with those words on when I was a kid... didn't realise what it meant then but I do now.....


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: maple_leaf_boy
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 04:36 PM

A vast majority of the species known to exist have gone extinct. I think
it's somewhere in the area of 98%. It doesn't surprise me that humans
will go extinct, but it surprises me that they're saying it will happen
so soon.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: SINSULL
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 04:25 PM

But if they had focussed the entire article on the end of the world, the complaint would be that the news is once again hyping a situation to garner readers.


Either way, many scientists agree that we have passed the point of no return. Mankind is just a blip on the earth's timetable nevermind the universe's. We will follow the dinosaurs into oblivion. That's as it should be.


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 04:09 PM

Well, since I'm 79 now, I just hope that his predicted end is more than say twenty-five years.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: End of man-kind
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 04:00 PM

Interesting subject, bb. I don't have any answers but I'll be reading.


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Subject: BS: End of mankind
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 03:53 PM

"Our own extinction is forecast, but he's going by dead reckoning

Andrew Bolt From: Herald Sun June 18, 2010 12:00AM

WE humans are about to be wiped out in a few decades. The grandchildren of many of us will not live to old age.

Hear it from Frank Fenner, emeritus professor of microbiology at the Australian National University and the man who helped eradicate smallpox.

"Homo sapiens will become extinct, perhaps within 100 years," he told The Australian this week.

"It's an irreversible situation." Blame global warming.

But here's the odd thing. Just three paragraphs into this report announcing the - Oh My God! - end of the world, the reporter and Fenner were off talking about rabbits, Fenner's writing habits, his bookshelves, his student days, his war service and the weight of the book he wrote on smallpox - 3.5kg, actually.

Oh, and did he ever tell how he used to study skulls with Norman Tindale?

Now, you'd think when a reporter had just been told that thousands of years of human history were about to come to a screaming halt - with their own loved ones among the dead - that rabbits and recollections of Norm would be the last thing they'd want to discuss.

Back up a bit, they'd cry. Run that by me again: you mean, all human life on this planet is going to be exterminated? But, no. So used are we to sandwich-board doom-mongering from global warmists that we hurry them on to cheerier topics, like tales of old Norm and his skulls.

It's not that Fenner is a joke. He may now be 95, but he's a Fellow of the Australian Academy of Science and the Royal Society. And his views on the end of the world, however boring, were still deemed serious enough to publish in The Australian's prestigious Higher Education supplement.

This curious disconnect between prediction and reception happens relatively often now. Four years ago another warmist, Prof James Lovelock, creator of the influential Gaia theory of an interconnected Earth, was every bit as apocalyptic as Fenner.

We'd passed the point of no return, he groaned. The world was heating catastrophically. "Before this century is over, billions of us will die, and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic where the climate remains tolerable."

All that was left to do was to prepare "a guidebook for global warming survivors ... on durable paper with long-lasting print".

That should put a damper on any conversation. Yet when ABC warmist Phillip Adams soon afterwards interviewed Lovelock for Late Night Live, they first talked of walks in the country, horses, the absence of TVs back when they were lads and how people used to believe in ghosts.

Only after half an hour did they finally get on to Lovelock's prediction of the abrupt deaths of billions of people within just eight or nine decades.

It was like they'd left the boring bit until last. The bit where everyone dies.

Strange. It's like we privately agree that when these scientists say the end of the world is nigh, they don't mean it, not literally, but are just scaring us for our own good. Or that they do mean it, but are frankly batty.

After all, it's not as if even Dark Greens have resolved never to breed, to thus spare their child the horror of spending their shortened life in terror at the doom to come.

Yet we're still meant to treat everything else these scientists say as the gospel truth. As in: sure, they're way out there about the end of human life, but on the small stuff they are bang on.

Meanwhile, life goes on. We laugh. We plan. We invent. We build. We adapt.

And we talk of other things than the end of the world, and luckily so, because we'll be around a lot longer yet, if we keep our heads - and our hope."


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/our-own-extinction-is-forecast-but-hes-going-by-dead-reckoning/story-e6frfhqf-1225881064383


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