Getaway 2010 Program Planning

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: gene-peace
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 11:05 AM

Response to Amos:

We shall see my friend, we shall see...... it's with most sadness that I must confess that the worst is yet to come....amity as opposed to emnity, a "consumation devoutly to be wished..".... we can only hope, unfortunately MY hope well is about dry.... and the tea leaves suggest even worse............

But we shall see, my friend.

Gene R.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 10:14 AM

........☺ ........

Further, deponent sayeth not.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: gene-peace
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 10:11 AM

I would NEVER ignore your post...........I wish I could say the same for others........

I decided to wait until there was yet another "uneducated post" on this thread before continuing, now there is... OH NOT YOURS, sorry!

I will now continue with what "Mudcater's" are NOT, in general aware of, actually, oops, let me take that back, actually which MOST Mudcater's suspect, but understanding of the nature of the "strange" politics involved between Mudcat & FSGW, have chosen and (correctly so) to view the events from the safety of the sidelines!!

Best
Gene R.

PS-Next post begins composing immediately
GR

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Amos
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 10:10 AM

Hey, guys:

The one thing the Getaway has always been about has been amity.
That's a simple defining space within which all things are possible.


A

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: maeve
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 09:21 AM

I tell you what: I have never been to a Getaway. I've thought for a number of years, and continue to do so, that I'd enjoy many of the offerings there. I have a high regard for Getaway organizers and attendees, not only due to the wealth of musical experiences and opportunities extolled each year, but more due to the overwhelmingly positive and good humored.

I have offered suggestions and asked questions from time to time via email and PMs and have always been treated with respect and courtesy. It saddens me to read the recent exchange.

My regards and gratitude to Getaway organizers, formal or informal, to all those who take part, to FSGW, and to Nancy King in particular. I suspect there are more productive and less seemingly antagonistic methods (online humor is so tricky!) of reaching a mutual understanding of various desires, motives, and suggestions being discussed here.

Feel free to ignore my post if you wish.

Regards,

Maeve

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: jacqui.c
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 08:38 AM

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Admittedly I have only been to seven Getaways to date but the only problem that I have with the set up is that a weekend isn't long enough. I have no heavyweight credentials to offer but, as one who looks forward to this event year round I think that it works pretty well. there is obvious input to the ideas pool from various sources at a time closer to the actual date that helps to provide differing sessions each year.

What others may see as 'old and stale' are often chances to maybe get to a session that I wasn't able to make last year or to bring a new song to a favourite session. There is a lot to be said for having some familiar sessions each year.

That being said - I love the idea of a continuous ballad workshop. there are occasional times when I really am not interested in anything going on in a particular hour and to have a ballad area to go and listen or add a song would be wonderful.

Subject: SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT- 2010 Program Planning
From: gene-peace
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 08:24 AM

10/14/2010 "Oh good grief, what do I have to do to get out of going through all this (crap*) twice? Or three times or more? - BD* (w/EL)

In response to Bill D's posts of 10/11- 6:41 PM, and 10/12- 10:16 PM

Damn the Slings & Arrows, Damn The Torpedos, Damn the Bullets and Damn the Cannon to the Right & Left of Me...STAY FOCUSED and think "Light Brigade", Gene and Charge, Charge, Charge!
(Um, maybe that is a bit too heavy for openers, Eh? Start again!)

Bill:

Beginning is tough, ending will be tougher...

For the record Bill, "slinging" alleged credentials around like "...I've attended 32 consecutive getaways", and "... I've been on THE (emphasis added) Committe several times", (um, which Committe was that Bill?), "and was a co-Chairman once", is decidedly NOT the way to impress someone (or their wife) unless you've done research into just whom it is that you think you're impressing!!!

So, in kind, and in context Bill:

Um, let's see- I could be wrong, but I don't recall your presence at the establishing of the Folk Music Club of George Washington University in 1961, nor at any of it's various official & unofficial functions from 1961-through 1964/5 as it transmorgrafied into the FSGW..nope I don't recall seeing you and the primordial party/ballad get-togethers at my good friend Dave Olive's Mothers House on Conn Ave, opposite the then bureau of standards, nope, don't think you were there, hmmm ya know I don't recall you ever being present when Stokely Carmichael (yep that Stokely) on many ocassions entertained us with his 5 to 10 minute skits featuring him as a "black, very Southern preacher-man of questionable moral terpatude (sp?), Sorta like Richard Pryor did as "Toodle-um" 25 years or so later. Nope, I don't think you were there either. The FSGW was founded in dangerous times, it provided the vehicle for musicly venting dissent against war
and more importantly proactively supportive of the civil rights movement centered in DC. Music and lyrics were composed hours before being sung on the "picket Lines" at Glen Echo Amusement Park, as well as at dozens of other locations. This organization was founded and hardened to the swinging of police Billy clubs, but I really don't recall seeing you at any of those events? I don't recall seeing you when my struck dumb parent's who thought that I was bringing a few friends over to sing folk songs, instead had over two hundred strangers, in their suburban home (a Doctors home) forone helluva good "ballad oriented" Hootenany. Nor at Mike Rivers, or was it Cogans houses in Northern, Va., I don't even recall seeing you at the VERY FIRST "Getaway" held at Andy Wallace's House, although it was actually more of an un-planned happening, you had to be there, but YOU weren't! You certainly never were present at my many sponsored music events in Mt Pleasant or in my crash pad in the Dupont Circle area, nope! I also don't ever recall seeing you at Chuck & Nan Purdue's, geez am I repeating myself?

Oh, by the way, I regularly did volunteer service at the Smithsonian Folk Festivals & served at the direction of Mary Cliff --- it was and is an honor to serve NOT A BADGE TO WEAR as part of your credentials.

I could go on and on...suffice it to say your self serving, unknowlegeable blatherings on this thread, and mean spirited attacks on my wife Sandra Koppel will NOT be tolerated by me...there are consequences associated with such unjustifiable behaviour, and I don't mean physical ones..... you now must live with yourself!

Good Luck
More to come
Gene R.

Well Bill, I guess

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Sandrolin
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 01:52 AM

Nancy

Hello. The only way I can think of responding to your open message to me is by an open message back to you and to the group.

First; I should bring to your attention the fact that for several years now I have become an acknowledged icon on more than just a few serious and diverse music sites; my free-form poetic postings on these sites have not only become accepted but this/my style has become expected to add completion and otherwise ward off the liklihood of the site becoming cold and encyclopedic. I apologize for assuming that my established poetic format doesn't work on this apparently very more serious site. It was decidedly not my intention to come across as snide or snarky.

So let's begin again in the necessarily formal way that this site apparently requires,

My name is Sandra Koppel. I am an Education Specialist. My responsibilities and interests largely involve organizing events, conferences and workshops. Before I moved to the east coast I worked for 30 years for the Calif. Dept. of Education in the capacity of team leader organizing conferences and retreat events.

I've tried to keep my joy of music and my music postings very separate from my professional world.

So follows is my comments in my professional mode:
:
Why can there not be a formalized method for evaluation, planning and reflection solicited and built into the last day of the Getaway? (Or by some other formalized process)

You (Nancy) answered as follows- "... it would be time consuming."

My response is as follows:
My own experience with formalized reflection and evaluation of events has NOT proven to be time consuming. We used a simple multiple choice form and comment section that was distributed before the participants left. Our team met soon after in a short meeting to review the results of these feedback forms. Generally: they gave us focus and direction and kept us from over-biasing in favor of old & stale ideas. The small amount of time invested was well rewarded with impressive suggestions, perspectives and positive end results

My third question was in reference to where and how the planning ideas were generated.
I suggested that planning conversations were apparently limited to a very few persons comprising of a select group.

You responded that it was NOT true that there is no legitimate direct method of evaluation.
You mentioned that the Mudcat site, PMs, e-mail communication directly to committee members was the "understood" method.

Again with my own experience in mind:
Sandra's response: Though in some situations we dreaded it:-) , we (organizers) wore BIG red badges so that the participants clearly could spot us, confront us right there on site to make comments and ask important questions and give us input.
In the case of Getaway 2010 I am sorry to admit that I do not know who the committee members are/were.
It was a tremendously great time ..with top rate performers and workshops and I would have liked the opportunity to face to face make my congratulations if only I could have identified you with a big red badge.

At any rate -- I hate to do this horn tooting and over reliance on my academic credentials but with my 30 years of logistics and problem solving for events experiences I can't help but feel like jumping in with some proposals and suggestions with which I truly believe could be positive and useful to the over-all organization.

Respectfully
Sandra Koppel    [e-mail] (I prefer responses to my e-mail address)
(aka Sandrolin, the other elf in the Peace Cabin).

PS-Oh and Bill I would love to discuss some possibly good ideas and suggestions with you concerning the *interesting* top bunk problem that you mentioned. My proposals would also address membership problems which I believe might be inextricably linked :-)

PPS Again I prefer direct e-mail responses to me at [e-mail] .

PPPS and to Amos just thanks. The mention you gave of the Washington Square free-form jams caught me in the softest part of my heart..... those free form free wheeling on-going ballad sessions produced and enhanced the careers of an incredible amount of significant talent.

SLK

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: lisa null
Date: 13 Oct 10 - 11:21 PM

Oh I love the idea of a permanent, multi-hour, BALLAD room, with or without all the nauseating trimmings gene-peace suggested. On the other hand, the guerilla ballad session of Old Songs has much to recommend it too. A place or space where anyone with a sung story is welcome-- maybe with a campfire where us old crones can huddle together,

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: gene-peace
Date: 13 Oct 10 - 09:40 PM

10/13/2010

In response to Ms King's post of 10/11 - 11:12AM as follows:

From: Ms King- "Gene-Peace, I am not sure what you are "suggesting," if anything. Can you "clarify"?

(Nancy, I'm sure we've met at various times over these many years of both of our involvements with the FSGW, I just can't put a face on it)

Response from Gene-Peace":
(Sorry for the short delay in getting back to you, I only just became aware that you requested a clarification of my 10/11 post- mea culpa)

Dear Ms King & with all due respect, my post of 10/11 in response to Lisa Null's (an old friend) and also to more then just a few other posts before hers; I must admit to having been a`little "tongue-in-cheek" in my post as a way to try to add some levity to what seemed to me to be becoming an anarchical free-for-all. Again, mea culpa, for not understanding the "true nature" of this thread, where subtlety and levity apparently have no place when it comes to addressing the "important" issues".

So in the interest of clarity as follows:

After my introductory remarks & comments and beginning after my words "but I digress", follows a Translation/Summation-

I was/am herein OFFICIALLY proposing that there be scheduled for the 2011 FSGW getaway, a (total) three hour Panel Discussion/Seminar (with a pre-seminar meeting on late Thursday (yes, I'm proposing an additional day be added to the getaway)or on Miday Friday for a Panelist orientation.
That the actual seminar/discussion be a three hour event, hour one a panel presentation debate composed of an equal amount of "pro" and "anti" panelist positions regarding the "establishment of a "permanent" Ballad/workshop, 2nd hour (which I referred to as "Tomatoe" throwing, dedicated to audience participation and questions directed at "specific" panelists"!, 3rd Hour (which I referred to as "cleanup" dedicated to group "problem solving" and a combined written recommendation to the various "anonymous" and "protected" and otherwise "veiled" committes, who will judge and debate pursuant to their final say, to be enacted or not enected in the following year 2012.

It's decidedly premature at this point for anyone to arbitrarily designate the "founding" of a permanent "Ballad" time/location, without full and all-inclusive group input and debate.
(That's the entire translation/clarification), oops, except for the following:

Kindly note my ending salutation in my original "levity" post of 10/11--
"A Modest Proposal",

Given a website full of Folkmusic experts, ethnomusicoligists from Scotland, Ireland Wales, England, USA, etc. ad-Nauseum, I'm struck dumb by no comments whatever regarding Jonathan Swift's, "Modest Proposal"- see Google: www.cummingsstudyguides.netModProposal.html

Pursuant to the above, Ms King, would you be most kind to respond to me by direct e-mail only- [e-mail] or by phone [phone]. Alternatively, why don't you establish a new thread entitled - Pros & Cons of "Establishing" a permanent, multi-hour, BALLAD FSGW "presentational", SERIOUS POSTS ONLY!

Sincerely & respectfully submitted
Gene Rosenthal, Pres.
Adelphi Records & Films, Inc.
FSGW pre-founder/Founder 1961-64

PS- I found your request for clarification, including the term "if any" unnnecessarily "snide", but I forgive you.
GR



A

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Oct 10 - 06:41 PM

"...why is not a 2011 Planning workshop part of the week-end itself...?--onsite-

Umm..because we're too busy having fun? *grin*

This year was my 32nd consecutive Getaway, and I have been on the committee several times and was co-chairman once. Input on what to do and how to manage everything from workshop schedules to inviting guests to cleaning up IS discussed all year long, though a bit more intensely at certain times.
One of the newer concerns IS how to incorporate all the new folks who, as Mick said, have discovered us thru Mudcat. THAT is kind of a nice problem to have!
Since we don't know from year to year how many will be able to come from far away places, we have had to look at newish issues....like bunk beds! We ain't as young as we used to be, and not everyone can manage an upper bunk....and about 40%? ARE upper bunks, which means that the absolute camp limit of 200 beds 'might' mean limiting registrations some year....and we'll have to have a system if that happens.

So...Sandrolin...and anyone else who appreciated the 'magic' ...*smile*... feel free to toss out suggestions, but it might be best if it was done directly to the committee members, rather than a debate on Mudcat...(remember, there are locals who help with this who seldom or never read Mudcat)

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: MMario
Date: 12 Oct 10 - 04:21 PM

What mick said.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Big Mick
Date: 12 Oct 10 - 04:00 PM

As one of the senior 'Catters (along with Jeri and Joe) at The Getaway, I can assure all that planning is far from "protected-hidden". I can point out any number of threads over the years in which the opinions of folkies and Mudcatters was sought and acted on by this committee. But I would point out one thing. This is an FSGW event. It is sponsored, planned and owned by them. FSGW is a vernerable and much respected organization, and that is because it's members match that same description ("venerable" might get me in trouble, but you get the drift). Nancy, as well as all of the FSGW volunteers (read that word twice,please) give up great amounts of their precious time out of love for this music and the people that perform it. The democracy of the event comes from their seeking input, but at some point someone has to make the decisions. One need only focus on how they felt leaving that blessed event to know how successful they are. Mudcatters from around the world have become an integral and important part OF the event, but it is the dues paying members and activist volunteers of FSGW that make it happen and give us the chance to come together as we do.

Want more say? Step right up here, sign on the dotted line, pay the dues, volunteer to spend large quantities of your precious personal time, and have at it.

Lest anyone mistake my tone, it is not pejoratively aimed at Sandrolin/gene-peace who are wonderful persons. And I take gene's point, even if I am not quite sure it is appropriately on the mark. But it is very important for Mudcatters to understand that the event is something we latched onto. We have contributed mightily, but the event organizers have devoted large amounts of their adult folk lives to this thing. I, for one, am in their debt.

All the best,

Mick

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Nancy King
Date: 12 Oct 10 - 03:22 PM

A "planning workshop" for the following year is, I suppose, possible, but would take up time that otherwise could be used for singing and song-swapping. We always have many more ideas than we can fit into the time available.

Ideas are not "entertained in a *protected* hidden format." Anyone is welcome to suggest an idea at any time, and many do, via PM, email, or face-to-face communication with members of the program committee (who are identified in Mudcat threads and in the FSGW Newsletter).

It is not true that "there is no legitimate direct method for evaluation or reflection other than this." Anyone is welcome to contribute comments at any time, via Mudcat threads, PM, email, or in person. In fact, constructive suggestions (such as the proposal for an ongoing ballad room) are welcome and encouraged. Snide, snarky and innacurate statements are not particularly welcome. If you have a beef, please tell us clearly what it is. If you insist on staying in the shadows, we have no way of knowing what you want.

Nancy King,
Chair, Program Committee

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Sandrolin
Date: 12 Oct 10 - 02:28 PM

oooh Bill, under these lights , I can well understand your confusion....

and mea culpa ..if my comment was a mudcat prosodically wrong end of telescope *style*--Right-o Bill?-

uh huh; before I nest again to my fly (elf) on the wall status... i question...
why is not a 2011 Planning workshop part of the week-end itself...?--onsite-
why are the ideas entertained in a *protected* hidden format.?..
why is there no legitimate direct method for evaluation or reflection other than this?

Sandrolin -- who witnessed the magic this past week-end under the trees, on the pier, greeting the sun, in a dark cabin with glow in the dark bracelets, on the cuff, under the radar, ......
prob. a lot different than yourn aye Bill?

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 12 Oct 10 - 12:56 PM

To me, a major highlight of the Old Songs Festival is an informal, unscheduled "guerilla ballad session". No stage. No mikes. No rules (except that the song should tell a story). Just a bunch of people sitting down to swap ballads, for as long as it takes. Thanks to April Grant, who dreamed up th idea.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Oct 10 - 10:16 PM

"...the fun police zoning of a scheduled ballad room.. another sanctified spot to report to...and then the required committee to determine the definitions and boundaries of a legitimate ballad......"

Well....no, that's not what was being suggested. Folks are just trying to accommodate ballads...

Do I detect a straw man being set up? And why do Gene-peace and Sandrolin write in such similar styles?

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Amos
Date: 11 Oct 10 - 07:11 PM

LOL!! Whoooeeee!! Bohemian Anarchy let loose upon the world!! Gotta love it.

MAkes me yearn for those green afternoons at Washington Square...


A

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Sandrolin
Date: 11 Oct 10 - 06:09 PM

do you still have the dream..and you wake up in a start trying to figure where your 10th period class is....pooh did you leave your binder with your scheduled week some-where... egadz worse you forgot to get dressed and there you were in the corridor trying to find your class......

I think Gene-Peace is referring to the fun police zoning of a scheduled ballad room.. another sanctified spot to report to...and then the required committee to determine the definitions and boundaries of a legitimate ballad......
{lawd...o sweet Lucy .. your heart"s playful mesmerizing take on By the Time We Got to Woodstock would get you a sticky thicket of tomatoes}....

how about a room where people are blind folded and .........

Sandrolin
undercover elf

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Amos
Date: 11 Oct 10 - 12:41 PM

I like that handle, Gene-peace! :D

A

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Nancy King
Date: 11 Oct 10 - 11:12 AM

Gene-peace, I am not sure what you are "suggesting," if anything. Can you "clarify"?

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: gene-peace
Date: 11 Oct 10 - 04:54 AM

Regards my friend Lisa's post & Linda's befor her etc.

And, with all due respect Lisa, Et Al:

We walk a perilous path when we choose to use terms beginning in the context of "Complex Decisions" and by 'leaps of faith" (or whatever), arriving at (like Topsy) into full blown "ideaisms" as REHEARSALS FOR DEATH & terminology such as: RITUALISTIC QUALITIES. :-)

We are in fact addressing "Ballads" aren't we?

I for example, would suggest, that a very large percentage of the the "Pop" songs of the 50s and 60s, are "in fact" Ballads in a "contracted" format.... certainly making them "no less" ballads, right?

Terms like "ritualistic" immediately raise in my psyche terms like traditionalistic and terms like "fundamentalistic' and can easily lead to terms like Fascistic, etc.

But I digress,

If you Guys & Gals are suggesting a "VERY SERIOUS" ballad workshop, as opposed to or in addition to the already existing "realtime" peace cabin "living ballad experience", then quite seriously you MUST lobby for a FEATURED "minimal" Ballad workshop of no less then two hours, featuring a "Panel" of "Ballad Experts" for the first hour or so, followed by another hour for arguing and throwing rotten Tomatoes, and finally, another hour for cleaning up the mess.....!

OK, I suppose that if certain "balladeers" seriously feel the need for such a get-together, I would strongly suggest, that in-the- tradition, that they contact each other off-line, and get together during one of those few & far between hour long gaps (like Lunch) and meet in the beautiful fields & do it right! :-)

A Modest proposal, at best!

Looking forwrd to being lambasted
I remain-Sincerely & respectfully-

Gene-O-Elf

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: lisa null
Date: 11 Oct 10 - 12:13 AM

Ah, with regard to Linda's comment on the need for singers ballads to abridge their basic story line-- I suppose telling stories is what characterizes a ballad as opposed to other genres but the incremental repitions that bore her can also be very important.


They give the songs a ritualistic quality-- for me part of the challenge is drawing the audience into a shared mystery, at least with some of the old ballads where there is lots of repetition. Many of us have heard the stories many times, but the very fact we want to hear them again and again, often in multiple versions, suggest that a lot of us are into the ballads as community ritual. WIlla Muir thinks of songs like Lord Randal, for instance, as rehearsals for death. You go through the motions of leaving your mother this, your father that. In The Border Widow, the widow sews a shroud, carries the body, buried that body, mourns the body. I think she had a point.

These are complex decisions for a singer to make, and I would not expect all folk enthusiasts to make a beeline for the ballad room. But for those of us who love them, it would be hard to leave.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: gene-peace
Date: 10 Oct 10 - 11:48 PM

Amos

Amen

An Elf

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Leadfingers
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 07:14 PM

A few years ago did a 'shared' singaround at a small festival - I kept a list of everyone who had performed in my hour , but the other lad didnt ! IF a list is beng kept , it HAS to be kept by whoever is running each period religiously and accurately !
And 200 B T W LOL

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 06:26 PM

LOL...but *I* can hit notes that will have all the dogs in 2 miles howling...

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Genie
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 06:08 PM

I like SongBob's suggestion too, as "ballads" is a really huge category.   
One way to deal with lists might be to have a whiteboard or sheet of newsprint at the side of the room where someone could write the name of each song after it's done (if someone was willing to play scribe). That way a newcomer wouldn't have to start into "The Four Marys" only to be told that it's already been done.


Oh, and, Bill D. ("I can play reveille on a soprano recorder - but I know better than to do it.)
I can play the entire "Stars & Stripes Forever" on a kazoo too. But I also know better ...

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Amos
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 02:35 PM

Blues and Bluegrass are niche phenomena often found in the heartof the Peace Cabin where they come out to graze between sundown and sunrise.


A

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Linda Goodman Zebooker
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 02:18 PM

We can try Bob's idea out at the 2011 FSGW Mid-Winter Festival in Takoma Park on February 5. They used to have an all-afternoon Blues room, and for the last couple of years there's been an informal Old Timey jam all day in the hallway. Ballads in depth...I really like this.

Stay tuned, and mark your calendars. It will NOT snow, it will NOT snow, it will NOT......

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 01:58 PM

There are NO problems with the program planning that making the Getaway a week ( including BOTH weekends ) wouldn't help...

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: GUEST,Songbob
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 01:55 PM

Why not have a designated ballad room (or dedicated for all one afternoon, anyway) with workshops on different styles mixed in with "general" ballad workshops or mini-concerts? Old-Time Ballads (i.e., hillbilly music) vs. British singing styles (of ballads) vs. sets by ballad singers (Carolyn or Elizabeth LaPrelle) vs. blues ballads, just to name a few possibilities.

It's a suggestion, anyway.

Bob

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Linda Goodman Zebooker
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 01:37 PM

You all have come up with a really good solution. Ballads and time-clocks are antithetical. Ballads are meant to while away a long winter's night, and as Sheila Kay Adams says, can easily have 99 verses. If the words are audible, these long stories in song would be well worth hearing and enjoyable in a relaxed setting.

Some editing on the part of the ballad singers (and chantey and pub and, and) would be good though. Some verses don't move a story forward and are merely repetition. Hearing, "I went to the East...tidy tidy tum, I went to the West, tidy tidy tum, I went to the North...tidy tidy tum", etc -- for ten minutes is boring even if we are doing a chorus, no matter how much time is allotted for the workshop.

We are fortunate to have a number of people at The Getaway with deep knowledge of ballads and who are skilled at singing them. We have more people who want to get to hear some of these and who know one or two they'd like to do themselves, but they shy away from getting "stuck" in a ballad workshop knowing their chances of actually singing one are pretty nill. Your ideas would fix that dilemma.

On a different note: I heard a comment that, "The Getaway was wonderful, but I'd have liked it more if there had been more Blues and/or Bluegrass".

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Leadfingers
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 12:41 PM

An All Day Ballad Room would be a good idea , WITH A list to avoid too much repitition through the day .

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 12:29 PM

THREE handmaidens? There were five in the version collected in Lower Suffix by Percy's assistant.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Amos
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 12:21 PM

They might want to keep a list and turn it over to their relief to avoid repeating all two hundred verses of "Fair Rosemary's Three Handmaidens and the Priapic Knyghte"...

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: jacqui.c
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 12:15 PM

I'd thought the same, Amos - sounds like a great idea to me.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Maryrrf
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 12:09 PM

I really like the idea of a dedicated ballad room/session that could go on all day, or at least part of the day. I think for facilitators you could enlist volunteers to do shifts. The ideal would be to hold it in a fairly quiet place (i.e. not the old Dining Hall) - maybe one of the cabins? Yes Yes Yes to a dedicated on-going ballad room.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 12:00 PM

Nancy et al-

I like the idea of a continuing ballad session. This time around I really hesitated to lead a long ballad given the obvious time limitations/other people interested in leading one.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Amos
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 11:45 AM

A rotating shift of facilitators could turn it into a day-long event into which those wishing could drop at will.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Nancy King
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 11:28 AM

Thanks for the feedback! All these (and many other) suggestions will be considered as we plan for next year's Getaway.

Ballads do present a unique problem for our scheduling, and we've gone back and forth about how to do it. Sometimes we've had two one-hour sessions (as this year), and sometimes one longer one. Neither seems to satisfy everyone. A dedicated space is certainly something to consider, but might present problems in finding a willing facilitator. We'll see how it goes. Stay tuned (as it were...)

Nancy

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 09:39 AM

I think that's a fine idea. It would, of course, mean that some would move between workshops and miss parts, and thus might try to sing the 4th version of "Young Hunting" in 30 minutes... *grin*...but we could deal with that.

Ballads are a special case due to the length of some and the predictable discussions and comparing versions, so I quite agree that a longer time period in a dedicated space would be nice.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Susan of DT
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 09:17 AM

As usual, Nancy and committee did a wonderful job.

There was some talk Sunday and Monday about the possibility of having a designated ballad room that ran all day or all weekend at the next Getaway. Wouldn't that be wonderful. Both ballad sessions this year were full. At the first one in the smaller room, most, but not all, who wished to sing had an opportunity to do so, but at the one on Sunday in the Retreat Center (a large room), maybe a quarter of those who wished to sing got a chance. There was also talk about having the ballad session (if we don't have the all day plan) run in the slots that end a half hour before lunch or dinner with the possibility of not ending it after the hour. I vote for the ballad room.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 01 Oct 10 - 07:31 PM

Could I encourage people to capitalize the name Chinook as it is the name of a people..and have fun at the event. (I live on the homelands of the Chinook people). mg

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Fortunato
Date: 30 Sep 10 - 10:32 PM

Terry Silver and Severn Savage, now there's a pair of jokers and no mistake.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Sep 10 - 10:07 PM

Did you say The Laughing Man Panty String?

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Severn
Date: 29 Sep 10 - 12:15 AM

Terry Silver is safe and in Laurel, MD and was quite a hit at the Laughing Man Tavern Shanty Sing.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Fortunato
Date: 28 Sep 10 - 05:42 PM

At Hocking point there are no Chinook salmon...

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Sandrolin
Date: 28 Sep 10 - 05:31 PM

the Getaway 2010---Pre event (thursday)
news update about the Pre-Getaway Crab Feast doo ..at Gene & Sand'ras --
Sorry not this year...;-(---- too many obstacles and clouds got in the way...
(Keep hocking us a chinook about next year) --- the dust will have settled, the carpenters will FINALLY have GONE HOME--- and our no rain dance will guarantee crabs and a cacophony of lovely
musical jam ---


all nighters see you in the jammie room---
Sandrolin

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 20 Sep 10 - 01:42 PM

I'm really looking forward to the "Singing to the Choir" workshop of songs to encourage activism, justice work, etc., with Sally Rogers. Among other things, the Getaway is a pretty amazing choir!

Dan

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Sep 10 - 12:59 PM

Is 20 kilos enough ginger?

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: jacqui.c
Date: 20 Sep 10 - 12:29 AM

We have had clothing in the auction before - no problem for us. Bring what you can.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Martha Burns
Date: 20 Sep 10 - 12:26 AM

I've been setting aside things to place in the silent auction. Does anyone reading this know if items of clothing are admissible?

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 10:11 PM

"...This is the meanest, primitive stringed instrument on the planet..."

No it ain't bobster... *I* have that. I think I'll bring it, and slides of the guy who made it.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 09:55 PM

Oboe, my butt, Rap...

This is the meanest, primitive stringed instrument on the planet...

b~

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 09:50 PM

Is that like an oboe?

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 09:32 PM

Can I drive the ambulance, Capt'n???

Nevermind...

Seems that every year there is some schedulin' conflict with me getting there until Saturday and this year will be the same...

Thinkin' about the Saturday night concert... Might wanta do a Bobert surprise??? I donno...

Be nice if I could play my cigar box Lowebow thru a real amp??? Sho nuff would... I mean, there are instruments that are definately "folk instruments" that just need to be amplified... The Lowebow is one...

Anyone think that would be okay??? I mean, hey, I play concerts and festivals with it amped and folks love it... I donno... Love to bring it and let it rip...

Glad to see that KT is coming... Hope she'll bring Eb with her... That would make it fir me...

B~

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: kendall
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 02:28 PM

I'm having serious back problems so I may have to come in an ambulance.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Micca
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 01:16 PM

The evidence for French Horn and Ukelele is Here

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 12:59 PM

I can play reveille on a soprano recorder.....but I know better than to do it.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 12:57 PM

"Shall I send my trumpet on ahead?"

This is right beside water, so you should get a trumpet-marine

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Micca
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 12:53 PM

Rap, Last year in the Saturday evening concert there was a MEMORABLE Duet for French Horn and Ukelele!!!! so what ever you do won't seem THAT strange!!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: artbrooks
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 11:54 AM

Taps at 10:00 pm, reveille at sunrise, Amos. And if does either, he's dead meat.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Amos
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 11:40 AM

You don't need an alarm clock. And if you play Taps at sunrise many who just got to bed half an hour before may protest. But if you want to have it to hand for demonstration, or overwhelming others, or just fondling in your sleep, you should send it or bring it with.

A

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 11:18 AM

Okay, I need opinions.

Shall I send my trumpet on ahead?

I haven't practiced; in fact I haven't had time to touch it in months so my embouchre is non-existent. Moreover, I play from dots.

On the plus side, it prevents me from singing and it makes a great alarm clock.

I'll need opinions quickly, as I must send it off by Tuesday if it's going to come along.

Thanks.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 11:11 AM

" I'll bet there are lots more than one!"

"One good time" is like loaves & fishes.... it can be subdivided as many times as needed....

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 04:13 AM

The format of the C. Fox Smith Workshop will be similar to what I did two years ago but with some new information added on her life and poems, and with copies of the new songbook being available for sale. Anyone who would like to lead one of her poems as a song is welcome to contact me via PM and I will endeavor to reserve you a slot.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble, still resident in York, UK

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: KT
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 04:07 AM

Only one? I'll bet there are lots more than one!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Fortunato
Date: 18 Sep 10 - 11:34 PM

One good time, as ordered for you, to be delivered at the getaway, Janie.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Janie
Date: 18 Sep 10 - 06:00 PM

Thanks, gals and guys!

This is a year when I show up and practice the art of appreciative listening.

The Getaway is Good Medicine, and that is what I need.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Sep 10 - 01:57 PM

" "Make Your Own Workshop" can be great...many years ago, Mark Gilston announced "Songs of Dismemberment", and a bunch of us sat on the grass for an hour, taking apart everything from little piggies to wayward sisters.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Nancy King
Date: 18 Sep 10 - 12:56 PM

LOL -- I was wondering when someone would ask about that. Should be fixed soon. That's the space for "Make Your Own Workshop" -- anyone who wants to have a session that's not on the schedule can use the Amani Lodge, which will be available all day. We'll announce such sessions at mealtimes, probably via whiteboards in the Dining Hall, as making actual announcements presents difficulties in that space.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Amos
Date: 18 Sep 10 - 10:28 AM

What is "Time Announced at Mealtime"--a clockwatching service? An exercise in relativity?


A

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Nancy King
Date: 18 Sep 10 - 09:51 AM

Well, um, we can't guarantee the weather, but it's been absolutely perfect for the last two years, so we're hoping...

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: KT
Date: 18 Sep 10 - 02:06 AM

Looks fabulous, Nancy! So many great choices! Thanks to you and all of the others for all of your hard work organizing! I bet you've even arranged to have the same weather as last year! Can't wait to see everyone!
KT

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Nancy King
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 09:11 PM

Jerry, I think someone did, a while back, but here
it is again. Click on the link at the top to get Sunday's schedule.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 09:04 PM

Would someone please post a link to the workshop schedules? When I search for the Getaway 2010 There's all sorts of information about fees and directions but I can't find the schedule of workshops.

Inquiring minds want to know.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 06:56 PM

"So -- any other questions?"

Teacher...teacher? How can be sure it's really folk?



**ducking and running for the door**

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Amos
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 06:54 PM

Especially the B-complex.


A

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Nancy King
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 06:26 PM

OK, OK -- I guess it's time for some explanatory remarks. If you look at the schedule now, you will see that the descriptive blurbs have been added. Just place your cursor over a workshop and a few words of description will appear. Very nifty feature -- thanks, Dean!

Do notice that the Saturday afternoon line-up in the Old Dining Hall has changed. Same stuff, different order. And do keep in mind that there may yet be further changes.

"Singing to the Choir" was Sally Rogers' idea; she had it subtitled "Songs to promote activism." Dan was just beside himself wanting to co-host it, as you can imagine. Should be good -- we've never really done much with that kind of songs in the past, and it's an important part of the tradition.

I know some folks have been confused by "In Memoriam." No, no -- it's not what it looks like. Rita and Carly are just fine, thanks. They're just co-hosting this session. You may notice that there is no "remembering Barry Finn" session, which many of you had wanted. Here's the deal: Last year, when our own Mary LaMarca died, and we also lost several other folkie friends, we thought about whether to have a "remembering" session for them. After much cogitation, we finally concluded that, the demographics being what they are, this is going to happen more and more often, and if we had a memorial workshop for each person, we'd soon be doing little else. So we didn't have a memorial session for Mary, though we loved her very much. This year, we decided to have a session honoring all of our folk music friends who have passed on. I expect Barry will be one who is remembered, but we hope others will be included as well. It needn't be limited to those who died this year. We hope the session will turn out well. And of course, anyone who wants to can dedicate a song in any workshop or concert to anyone they please.

So -- any other questions?

We anticipate having a great time, as usual! Be sure to take your vitamins!

Nancy

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Janie
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 05:05 PM

Lacking imagination as I do, I'm wondering if there are some hints about "Singing to the Choir?"

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 09:26 PM

I shall not bring my rapier, but I may bring my small bullwhip.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Janie
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 09:23 PM

Looks great!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: kendall
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 07:46 PM

maeve, you make me blush.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 05:56 PM

Looks like enough to keep me very busy and happy on Saturday!

Sunday morning I'll have to load up on coffee if I'm going to do something coherent with my C. Fox Smith Workshop at 10 am.

Then I can relax and enjoy the rest of the day!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble, resident in York, UK.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: maeve
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 07:27 AM

Of course the real excitement will be when Kendall walks in.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: kendall
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 07:24 AM

Being a typical New Englander I don't get excited very often, but this line up is a real treasure.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: maeve
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 07:23 AM

That's an enticing schedule, Nancy & Company.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 07:10 AM

Debbie MCClatchy followed by Gordon Bok and Jed Marum? It don't get no better than that!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Genie
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 02:15 AM

If Sev's singing, it would be something about "Moat's Art" and "Wreck We 'Em" - followed by a bovine tribute called "Moo'ed We Sunday" -- excellent impetuses (impeti?) to suicide in themselves.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Sep 10 - 11:32 PM

I plan on doing the gravedigger's soliloquy from "Macbeth" followed by Severn singing the entire of Mozart's "Requiem", following which we will sing "Moody Sunday" or whatever that song is that is supposed to make everyone commit suicide. That way a pleasant time can be had by all.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Gorgeous Gary
Date: 14 Sep 10 - 07:48 PM

Amos,

In previous incarnations (when Darriel Day and Allan Rathbone were running it), the Pub Sing workshop was, I think, taking some inspiration from the "Pub Sing" that is the final event of the day at the Maryland Renaissance Festival. At which one tends to hear songs like "Health to the Company", "Let Union Be", or "Flowing Bowl".

But, as Bill said, there are many directions to take it. I've usually played to the hosts by offering up "Old Black Rum" or "Night Paddy Murphy Died" (since I know Darriel likes Great Big Sea). I have other ideas in mind for this year though (*insert evil laugh here*)

-- Gary

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Sep 10 - 07:55 AM

Well, Eeejaa... You had better be there for the Saturday night concert...

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 14 Sep 10 - 06:24 AM

BAH-BAH-BAH-BAH, BAH-BAH-BAH-BAH-BAH, BAH-DANG-A-DANG-DANG, BLUE MOON.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Genie
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 11:26 PM

Yeah, Amos. Ernie's the only one I've ever known to do "Blue Moon" as performance art. ; D

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 09:30 PM

"It must be jelly, 'cause jam don't shake like that!"

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 09:17 PM

what are the floozies doing WITH the jam?!

Dani

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Amos
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 04:33 PM

IF he gets in real late we can ask him to show us "Blue Moon"....



A

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 04:01 PM

Sorry Bob, I don't get in until Sat night, so much luck with the floozies and the jam.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 03:36 PM

We can sing "The Pub With No Beer"

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 03:21 PM

At one time there was a temperance saloon in the small town where my mother grew up. I wonder what songs they sang there. Apparently they had a lot of music.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: artbrooks
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 01:42 PM

A Pub Sing? At a teetotal venue? One shall contrive.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Charmion
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 01:37 PM

Amos, all participants at the Sleeping Workshop must of course bring their own instruments. As an accomplished soloist in this genre, I play the Single-Occupancy Sleeping Bag.

Duets and trios must equip themselves accordingly.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: SINSULL
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 01:25 PM

AM of course. Silly question Bruce.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 12:51 PM

Bobert,

AM or PM????

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Amos
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 12:48 PM

They're making you work for it, Bobert!! LOL!!


See ya there if I haven't fallen into a coma by then...


A

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 12:46 PM

Danged if they ain't done it again...

Utah Phillips one year and Jerry Rassmussen the next???

Oh well, ya'll...

No matter... Saturday, 3:30 to 4:30 in the Peace Cabin...

Floozies???

Jammers???

Onlookers???

B~

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 12:36 PM

Pub sing is just 'songs that might done in pubs'....lots of choruses, drinking songs, rowdy stuff, 'clever ditties' that catch the attention....etc...even bawdy items..

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Amos
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 11:49 AM

Sheerly awesome!!

Can the intrepid organizers provide me with a working definition for a Pub Song? It's been a few years since I habituated a pub. And some of those I was in were singing pop rock numbers.


A

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: SINSULL
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 11:13 AM

Once again I can't be in three to four places at one time. All you have to do is add Elizabeth LaPrelle to the mix and my brain will implode.
Jed Marum and Gordon Bok co hosting a workshop? LOL Too good to be true.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Leadfingers
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 06:07 AM

At a quick glance I cant see any problems for me ! Counting Down now !

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Nancy King
Date: 12 Sep 10 - 11:51 PM

Nope, no cloning workshop. Better too much than too little, right?

So, take a look. Hope you like it! BUT please be aware that this is SUBJECT TO CHANGE. In fact, I was just about to suggest one when this got put up. I'll still suggest it, and we'll see what happens.

If you are a workshop leader and we have you scheduled in two places at once, tell us, and we'll change it. If you just want to BE in two places at once, well, join the club.

More details later...

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 12 Sep 10 - 10:39 PM

I see they have a doo wop workshop, and I'm free at that time.

Dip, dip, dip, dip, noom, noom, noonm, noom, get a job.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 12 Sep 10 - 09:03 PM

Still no cloning workshop. What's up with that?

Dan

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Gorgeous Gary
Date: 12 Sep 10 - 08:00 PM

Good folks of the Mudcat, we appear to have Getaway schedules!

(Hope I'm not trumping anyone, just happened to check the FSGW website and there they were...)

-- Gary

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Janie
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 11:29 PM

Anymore hints on the program? Would be nice to have time to hunt up or learn appropriate songs.

(Ain't complaining, Nancy and committee, just wondering.)

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 06 Sep 10 - 06:16 AM

Well, I just got word that I will be co-hosting a songwriter's showcase on Sunday afternoon from 4:00 to 5:00 pm. So all you song "makeruppers" be sure to bring your creations to the showcase and share them with the rest of us. Can't wait to hear the music.

Mike

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Amos
Date: 06 Sep 10 - 02:03 AM

Charmion,

It won't do--there are far too many young folkies who would sign up to sleep with you...


Edmond wouldn't stand for it.


:D


A

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Sep 10 - 11:19 PM

NEWS FLASH

               Floozie Application Deadline Extended

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Janie
Date: 05 Sep 10 - 11:14 PM

Waiting....?

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Tinker
Date: 26 Aug 10 - 11:57 PM

Hmmmmm.....

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Tinker - PM
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 11:57 PM

Hmmmm, Jacqui perhaps we could combine the Hideobelia Reverse auction with a "appropriate" song for each bizarre item .... We could then send them off to folks who promised to be at Getaway but didn't make it .....
A new special surprise every week til Christmas.....

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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: jacqui.c - PM
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 08:57 PM

I think, if Mr Lane lets us down AGAIN this year, the Evil Sisterhood needs to get well and truly involved in making him pay....

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Aug 10 - 11:48 PM

Rap and Micca,

I'm in.

Mick

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Aug 10 - 08:44 PM

oatmeal...

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Aug 10 - 08:43 PM

I want to put Amos' hand in some warm water....

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Gorgeous Gary
Date: 26 Aug 10 - 07:50 PM

Charmion: I'm sure my better half would love to attend a Sleeping workshop, since she usually crashes out before me.

But I do retain some sense. Even at the filk cons where I stay up much later than I ever do at the Getaway (like 4 or 5am), I will go to bed reasonably early on Sunday night if I know we're driving home Monday.

(For some definitions of "reasonable". It's still usually midnight...)

-- Gary

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 26 Aug 10 - 12:31 PM

The problem with the online signup form is that, if you leave the event window unselected, there is no default to Getaway 2010, so the order won't process. To solve the problem, click the arrow, move up or down to get to "Getaway 2010", then the form will work and go to payment. Otherwise you get a basically blank screen with the FSGW task bar at top.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: GUEST,Jed sans cookie
Date: 26 Aug 10 - 12:10 PM

Micca - you gave me a leather pouch you'd made, at the last Getaway I went (must be a decade plus ago). I've used that thing right up until this year. One of the snaps finally gave out - and I had left it out at a festival so I could find a leather vendor there to see about a repair ... and it walked off the CD table! They didn't steal any CDs - so I began to think maybe I was selling the wrong product!!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Charmion
Date: 26 Aug 10 - 11:57 AM

As the acknowledged expert Getaway sleeper, I would be delighted to lead the Sleeping workshop.

Old-ish timers will remember a last night of the Getaway at Ramblewood, when the Mudcat cabin was heaving well into the small hours, and Charmion WENT TO BED and WENT TO SLEEP at eleven o'clock. One of us was going to have to drive back to Canada the next day, and I knew darned well that C. Edmund Thomas of this parish would never hit the sack until the last chord had ceased to ring.

Anyone who wishes to learn the technique may apply within.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Micca
Date: 26 Aug 10 - 03:01 AM

Well, I am Now Registered and Paid for!!! and on Line went a smooth as a Babys Bum!!!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Leadfingers
Date: 25 Aug 10 - 08:55 PM

With a boat its a WRECK not a CRASH mate !

But I fully expect you'll be well wrecked any way !

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Aug 10 - 08:22 PM

Yeah, a "Sleeping Workshop" is definately one that everyone is gonna need... I mean, even if yer lucky enough to find a quiet room (I know, what's that???) then those sqeaky plastic matresses will keep ya' up... I'm kinda hoping that my brother get's hia boat-shaped-object back to his marina which is just 10 minutes away so I can go over there and crash on his boat... No, not crash his boat... lol...

B~

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Leadfingers
Date: 25 Aug 10 - 08:13 PM

Good Luck registering On Line Micca !

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Micca
Date: 25 Aug 10 - 06:37 PM

Jeri, YES!!! I have booked my flight, and will register in the next day or so!!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Genie
Date: 25 Aug 10 - 05:22 PM

1:00 AM, Jed!?? That's the shank o' the evenin'!

How about maybe 3:00 to 7:00 instead?

And not in the Peace Cabin, fer cryin' out loud! ; D

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Aug 10 - 04:30 PM

Will Micca be there?

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: JedMarum
Date: 25 Aug 10 - 04:13 PM

Remembering my last visit to the Getaway - I believe there are two workshops needed to fill the gaps:

1) A sleeping workshop. This would be a participatory session, led for each of the sleeping areas and run from say, oh how about 1AM until 6AM? That'd be enough!

2) A "clothing is NOT optional in the mixed dorm areas" - probably needs no more clarification.

;-)

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: jacqui.c
Date: 20 Aug 10 - 09:19 AM

John - it doesn't have to be an organised event - something could be arranged outside of the programme.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: GUEST,John
Date: 20 Aug 10 - 02:44 AM

I still want to see the Getaway "stump the stars" fundraiser.

Anybody who wants to enter puts up $5. They sing a couple of verses of a traditional song and stop at a random point selected by the "referee". If Judy Cook can sing the next line, then the scholarship fund gets the $5. If the singer stumps her, then the singer gets to keep their $5.

Actually, Judy herself isn't absolutely necessary as the "expert". There are other knowledgeable people around. We could probably find a panel that knows about as many songs as Judy if we had enough chairs to seat them. It's just that it seems to me that she knows every song that has ever been sung since time of the lyre.

I think this is the third year I have proffered this pearl. If no one picks it up this time, I will surrender this idea to its apparent doom and try to think of something else good enough for this excellent event.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Nancy King
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 08:23 PM

Charlie, we'll try, but I make no guarantees. There are still a lot of things hanging fire.

MMario, I sure don't know what to tell you about the registration problem. In fact, I had trouble with that system last spring when I tried to order advance tickets to a concert. At that time, Dennis Cook (who is the person who's supposed to know how the whole business works) wrote to me,

"The Sign-Up does not automatically fall through to a payment page after you register since it doesn't know when you are done. For many events there are separate registrations for students and non-members which might be added on to a member's initial registration. If you look at the 1-2-3 steps near the top of the page, step 3 is payment and should let you get to PayPal or ... print a registration page and mail it in."

My problem was that the button for step 3 was grayed out. I ended up sending in a check. I have emailed Dennis calling your question to his attention, and perhaps he'll chime in with a workable solution. Of course, you can always print out the form and mail it in. (But that's the easy way, not the cowboy way...).

I'm sure it will get worked out one way or another -- we're just glad you'll be there!

Nancy

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 04:22 PM

Nancy et al-

Love to see the workshop list before we leave for the UK on August 31.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: MMario
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 04:19 PM

May be wrong place to ask - but the 1-2-3 steps for signing up for Getaway wouldn't let me do step 3 - payment.

Due I have to print it out and mail? It mentions my credit card but never allowed for me to enter information.....which is needed

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Nancy King
Date: 18 Aug 10 - 11:12 AM

Genie, thanks for the ideas! I think you'll find -- assuming you make the scene, and I hope you will -- that many of them have indeed been incorporated into the program for this year. And -- um -- it's too late at this point to add anything else.

The program committee will be meeting again in about a week, and hope to be able to post a preliminary, provisional, still-subject-to-change workshop list soon after that.

Rest assured, it will be great!

Nancy

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Genie
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 10:54 PM

Lots of great suggestions here.

I'd be especially interested in these (of those that have been suggested so far):
Songs of the Civil War
Cicely Fox Smith
Gospel songs -- especially original Gospel songs by our (shudder!) "singer-songwriters"*
"Parodies Lost And Regained"** (especially the outrageous ones!)
Jewish songs
Songwriter/songwriting workshop - especially if it's really about process and not just a "showcase" of original songs.


Some others I think might be interesting would be:

- "Original short shelf-life songs" (as Tom Paxton has on his website). Some of our best songs are too topical to become 'standards' but it can be a shame to lose them just for that. *g*

- Song Challenge! - e.g, as we do at Mudcat, where people get a theme or news item and then write a song about it.   If the story/theme were given, say, on Friday night and the workshop were on Saturday or Sunday, it could be a lot of fun to see what people came up with.

- Rap and Hip-Hop as "Folk" -- OK, I'm just kidding. (I think)

- Songs about "crossing over"/tributes to "silent voices" -- As we're getting older (some of us more obviously than others), we're also 'losing' many dear friends and wonderful folk voices (including Barry, Sandy, Utah, etc.).   Often such events inspire wonderful musical tributes and/or songs about that 'process."   I know I've written a few for such occasions. This can be a really nice 'workshop' or at least 'song sharing' session.   My preference would be for original compositions, but that's not carved in stone (on a tombstone or elsewhere).












*and why doesn't anyone ever call them singer-songwriter-guitarist or singer-songwriter-pianist, etc.?
** Severn, it's great to know that you're back in such fine (?) form again! LOL

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Jul 10 - 08:39 AM

Civil War workshop??? I don't have too many appropriate songs but I guess I could dust off a couple non-blues ballads...

B~

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 03 Jul 10 - 11:53 PM

I've written two songs about the start of small towns in southern Wisconsin and their story. One other, now that I think of it.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Gorgeous Gary
Date: 03 Jul 10 - 11:23 PM

OK, now that I have my life back...

(Stop that laughing. I do **too** have a life!)

I'm always up for doing Parodies, Humorous Songs, or Jewish Songs, if you need or want me for either.

There was a Songs From Literary Sources workshop many Getaways ago (might have been back at Letts even) that had good songs -- ISTR Bob Zentz doing a couple of C. Fox Smith settings -- and was decently attended. I also ran a pretty good Open Sing on the same topic 6 or 7 years ago.

Severn's idea of "Settlements to Towns to Cities" is right up my professional alley *and* my musical alley. Noting my signature songs "City By The Lake" and "Sedona"). "Wood If We Could" falls in there too.

-- Gary

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Jul 10 - 12:24 PM

I might perhaps maybe attend, if it wasn't too inconvenient.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Janie
Date: 03 Jul 10 - 09:06 AM

And/or Bob Clayton!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: jacqui.c
Date: 03 Jul 10 - 07:33 AM

Indubitably.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jul 10 - 04:08 AM

Definitely.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 03 Jul 10 - 12:19 AM

I would be there in a heartbeat, Janie

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Janie
Date: 02 Jul 10 - 10:08 PM

Over on the news and chatter Getaway thread, Jed Marcum is making noises about possibly coming if he can arrange bookings around the Getaway that would make it feasible. He mentioned a Civil War workshop. When I read that, I immediately flashed on a Civil War workshop led by Jed and Judy Cook.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 10:08 PM

So, any more thoughts on programs?

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Amos
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 03:28 PM

John Wesley Bulldog
Was a friend to the poor....

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 03:02 PM

Just be careful it doesn't ferment, or you'll be barred from bringing it into the confines of the Methodist Camp. They have a large bulldog, "John Wesley", that can detect fermented beverages from nearly 1/4 mile away.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 02:37 PM

My flask shall be loaded with extremely sweetened iced tea that had been allowed to concentrate in the hot sun for several days. Or, as someone might say, overly-sweet tea sludge.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Amos
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 12:55 PM

Hey, now--don't anyone go around trying to dent Dani's flasks, see? I mean unless you ask first. Otherwise, see, we is gonna have a leedle problemo...



A

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Roger in Baltimore
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 12:43 PM

I will be happy to help any way that I can.

Roger in Baltimore

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Tinker
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 11:57 PM

Hmmmm, Jacqui perhaps we could combine the Hideobelia Reverse auction with a "appropriate" song for each bizarre item .... We could then send them off to folks who promised to be at Getaway but didn't make it .....
A new special surprise every week til Christmas.....

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: jacqui.c
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 08:57 PM

I think, if Mr Lane lets us down AGAIN this year, the Evil Sisterhood needs to get well and truly involved in making him pay....

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 08:28 PM

r.i.g.h.t...... believe it when I hear the bodhran and see the dent in my flask of unsweetened iced tea.

Dani

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Amos
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 11:29 AM

Good, Mick. You can keep Rapaire in line. Shileleigh law, and all that.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 10:59 AM

I am coming this year. I hated missing last year.

Mick

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Fortunato
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 09:11 AM

It will be great to have Jerry and Ruth there. I like Jerry's Influences idea and would certainly come to that.


I'm wondering if a North Carolina Musical Heritage Workshop might be of interest. It could include music from folks like:
Bascom Lamar Lunsford
Blind Boy Fuller
Doc Watson
Arthur Smith
Earl Scrugss
Red Clay Ramblers
Libba Cotten
David Holt
Don Gibson
Tommy Jarrell

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 08:28 AM

I would love to see another shanty session and would be happy to facilitate. I've got a foot-long wooden belaying pin that might be of some assistance.

I also have an interest in outrageous parodies. Has someone suggested that?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 07:25 AM

Hope this is okay...

Subject: Getaway , Skarpi , Help .
From: skarpi - PM
Date: 15 Jun 10 - 05:36 PM

Hi all , I am planning to get the ticket this week either
to New York or Boston , so the question is if I don´t take flight
from NY or Boston to WDC is there some who is going through
that way ? I could come earlier .

And also I need info about the cost at the Getaway it self .

All the best Skarpi .

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 05:44 AM

Oh, I like Claire's idea!

And will we do extra-long gospel sessions now that Jerry'll be there?!

Dani

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Severn
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 12:35 AM

Have you had your Flooz Shots?

Not to imply that there's any flaws, flies or fleas in how our Flooz flows, or anything. No, not that virulent a strain (on anything, including the eyes) at all....

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 10:50 PM

Just to y'all know, I talked to Bobert a while back and he appointed me Flooziemeister.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Severn
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 05:03 PM

Sorry to go off subject, but when The Noble pries into my family affairs.....

To get back on topic, I'd go for his C. Fox Smith idea...

Bring back the Jug Band workshop when the personnel is right, as well.

And the annual Milton Pot of "Parodies Lost and Regained"....

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Severn
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 04:45 PM

My sisters didn't neck with no nechros nor were touched by any feeliacs or any such undertakings. The never even semi-tarried in such places or crossed their barriers! My parents would've had a coughin' fit!

'Twern't none of my kin!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: ClaireBear
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 04:41 PM

Here's a novel(ty) thought: songs with tongue-twisting, lilting. nonsense, additive, and similar audience-challenging choruses. I know a ton of those and really like them, not that I'd want to lead such a workshop alone.

Cheers,
Claire

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 03:54 PM

Rapaire-

Didn't you also have a sister nick-named "Cemetery" because she like to lay in graves?

Or have I confused you with Severn?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 03:25 PM

Hell, I used to make gravestones, my brother once worked as a gravedigger, and my great-uncle was a cemetery sexton. I'll work with someone on an "Esprit de corpse" one.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Severn
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 02:41 PM

Some repeat suggestions from last year, and a new one with two about things that would go into a real basement workshop and somethat, if proper choices were made and examples given, might inform a bit like song-oriented one ....



"Wood If We Could (or "They Came, They Sawed, They Conquered)"--Songs involving wood from the logging process to carving, fashioning tools and building with it. This one could be further divided up into splinter groups......


Or maybe just tools and implements in general, real or imagined,
the process of inventing them or them merely exisiting as speculation or dream of something we'd like to see built, or to build with.........


"Esprit de Corpse"-Songs dealing with cadavers, their movement, rowdy wakes, burial rites and maybe some "Unquiet Grave" and "Lowlands" type visitations or visits thrown in and Rosin the Beau/Ye Mariner's All" mere death wishes, to boot......


"Settlements to Towns to Cities"--Songs illustrating all of them, the reasons for them being, the transition from one to another and emphasizing how traditions get lost, founded or preserved on the way and how a country gets built up from scratch. Where things went or are going right and wrong. Boom Towns, Ghost towns and places that somehow still feel like home.



Just some 40% Brain Flakes of the top of my head. Use them, twist them to your own specifications or forget them as you so choose They're just fun to imagine. Throw them against the wall and see if anything sticks. Throw out what stinks.....

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Amos
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 02:40 PM

It's partly a matter of Art. And partly a matter of Thieme.


A

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 02:16 PM

Jerry,

I'm probably just being overly sensitive about getting a "singer-songwriter" workshop together. I'd love to hear as many tunes as you can put out there.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 02:06 PM

Lonseome EJ: Ya mean I can't play any songs I wrote? Or is there a quota? :-) I love traditional music and do a fair amount but I don't want to be apologetic about singing my own songs...

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 02:02 PM

my God, Severn. The mind boggles. I should rail against such nonsense but ....

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Severn
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 01:47 PM

Well, Amos, We can annoint you "Train Rex" and put you in charge.
Your motives seem loco enough, you know the terrain, and you can
offer us tokens of your steam to remind us nostalgically that the only good engine is a dead engine and that The Army Corps of Engineers isn't the only group of such folks worth a dam. Like sea songs, a gathering such as we'll have can't do without
such a song circle, to be held in a round house, if possible.

If they change it to
"The Old Rugged Crossing" you can let the offenders stay.

Even The Underground Railroad should not be considered beneath our station.

Trains should be bound for glory, not gagged. Let's do it.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: gnu
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 01:20 PM

Shaping up to be a good one!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 01:12 PM

Perhaps a 'rationalization' workshop? A list of topics is presented and singers have to justify why THEIR current favorite fits.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Amos
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 01:01 PM

I know lots of train songs, Leej: A Miner's Life is like a Railroad, and "All Ya Gotta Do is Train..." and also the Old Rugged Cross. Oh, and "She Walks These Hills in a Long Black Train..." isn't it?

LOL!!


A

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Micca
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 01:00 PM

LEJ see my post of 12.27pm above, and if it is on the program I would be happy to help host, co-host, facilitate, whatever!!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 12:57 PM

Cross-posted with Micca, but looks like we were on the same wavelength. Spooky!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 12:41 PM

I'm planning to attend again this year (5 in a row!)

I enjoy the genre-themed workshops, like the Cowboy songs, Crime songs, Railroad songs sessions. I wish sometimes people attending would take the time to, for example, prepare a train song instead of performing a song they like to play and announce it as "well it's not exactly a train song, but many engineers were religious, so here's The Old Rugged Cross." I know....picky picky picky.

Would there be any interest in a workshop/session where people perform their own songs? I realize the Getaway is mainly about traditional music, but I know there are a lot of songwriters who attend, and I would love to hear their stuff in a song-circle environment, maybe even tabbed with lyrics so that others could play and sing along.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Micca
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 12:27 PM

Charlie, some workshops cannot be prepared for For example the intention behind the original "Songwriters showcase" (a seminar might be a better description for what takes place) was that songwriters would introduce a song, give a SHORT summary of how and why it was written then sing the song.In this way some very strange stories and inspirations were reveled, it was hoped it would give an insight into the way some of the songwriters worked, and into the creative process. and I think we succeded in this aim, I certainly learned a lot about how different people write, and still have some very clear images from word pictures that were shared (ask me about the "dead cat in the road"
I hope this is "on topic"

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 11:23 AM

Well, yeah... Workshops need some structure, Charley... The couple blues ones I have "facilitated" were song circles and went very well... I mean, seems folks don't come to them if they don't have a couple blues songs to contribute... Actually that's about the way all of the "workshops" have worked that I've attended with one lone exception which I won't talk about...

And minis are just that... Half an hour performance with or without accompaniment... I personally like to have the various components of the BobertsBluesBand in place.... Especially the Floozies... Ah, yes...

B~

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 09:47 AM

As Janie asked, please post comments and banter in the Getaway 2010 General Discussion thread. Nancy is using this one to track actual workshops - offers to lead and workshop titles.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 09:32 AM

On the issue of "workshop success" I like to see some evidence that the person (or persons) coordinating the workshop has actually done some planning, has something structured to say or sing, that people can carry away.

Sometimes one can recruit workshop participants in advance via threads like this one and assign them an active workshop role such as leading a particular song or demonstrating some other musical skill. One can also pass out songsheets and other written materials or have CD's available.

Ideally there should also be time set aside for questions and more spontaneous interaction.

If the "workshop leader" is just introducing and singing songs, it would be better to title that a "mini-concert." I also like "mini-concerts."

There is, of course, seldom enough time to do everything but a good faith attempt to try usually makes for a better "workshop."

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Janie
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 11:22 PM

If it ain't pretty directly related to programming, workshop suggestions or offers to lead a workshop, please head on over to Getaway 2010 News/Discussion Thread

It helps the hard working volunteer Program Committee if this thread stays focused on workshop suggestions or offers to lead workshops.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: GUEST,Gorgeous Gary
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 11:19 PM

Well, I'm coming off the end of the filk music convention I periodically help run (and actually chaired this time), so I'm too brain dead at the moment to think of program ideas (new ones or ones I've led before).

But, great to hear Alaska Mike and Debbie will be back!! 8-)

-- Gary

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Janie
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 11:04 PM

I'm betting that Nancy would appreciate it if this thread could more or less be limited to posts regarding program planning issues, as in years past. I know it is early, but given so much response here already, maybe some one ought to start a general 2010 Getaway thread for folks to post everything not program related.


Hmmm......maybe I'll be that some one!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 10:29 PM

Good. I'll bring my netbook.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Amos
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 10:19 PM

You can get wireless from certain parts of the campus, yes.


A

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 10:14 PM

Which reminds me -- has this place got any Internet access?

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 10:12 PM

I shall be there, swords in hand and perhaps also my trumpet if my embouchre returns in time. Otherwise I'll simply bring myself*.









*"Jarring!" -- NY Times Review of Books; "Interesting voice, from a non-musical perspective" -- Seattle Times-Picaynune; "Definitely definitive!" -- Quincy Whig; "Practice, boys, because he's not to be missed!" -- Pocatello Tribune; "Absolutely the best of whatever he is" -- New Journal of New Baroque Music.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 09:35 PM

Like in the bible whither I goest, Ruth comest also.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 08:21 PM

You bringin' Ruth with ya, Jer???

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 01:28 PM

Somebody asked me once, "Why do they call them workshops?" "Got me," I answered. They're really song swaps with a pre-agreed upon topic. That's fine with me. Once in awhile, something unexpected happens and the conversation between songs and performers magically gets beneath the "And then I wrote" or "Bet you can't do this" level and there is a real connection made between the performers and the audience. You can't program that, sad to say, but I'm always thankful when it happens.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Amos
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 10:23 AM

Wow!! Florida Mike, Art, Jerry and Rapaire! This is a PRemium Vintage Year!!!


A

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 07:50 AM

Wow already!

Jerry's gonna be there?! I like the Influences idea a lot. I like YOU a lot!

How could such a perfect gathering get even better, year after year? But somehow, magically, it does.

Balanced, of course, by the terrible loss of friends, who were themselves tremendous influences, musically and personally. It will be good to remember them with you all.

Dani

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Janie
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 12:10 AM

Tsk, tsk, Art. You have been to Getaways and know that for the most part, the nearest thing to "audience" is "participant-observer."

Having read your valuable remarks about song circles in your region inspires me to wonder about some sort of mini-workshop or discussion/lecture from those who have successfully been involved in developing or running song circles that might be helpful to those of us who have tried and essentially failed.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: artbrooks
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 11:23 PM

Jenn and I plan to be there...and I hope that there will be a place for the designated audience.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: TJO
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 07:22 PM

Love the idea of a Charlie Poole workshop. And Jerry's guitar accompaniment workshop. Charlie Poole/Riley Puckett would be out of the usual swimlane for the Getaway, but all the better.

T.J.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 05:42 AM

Tawmmie and I will be in attendance. We are both very excited to meet up with good friends again. Its been 6 years since my last Getaway and I will gladly help out however and whenever. See you all again in October.

Mike

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: CET
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 06:34 PM

Charmion and I will be there and will be glad to help out anywhere. It's hard to think of topics that I haven't suggested at some point over the last several years. Severn has already suggested Crime, a perennial favourite of mine. I'm definitely up for the Barry Finn workshop. I have fond memories of the Gratuitous Violence workshop he and I did.

Edmund

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: GUEST,Songbob
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 12:17 PM

I had a great idea a few weeks ago for a workshop, but now I can't recall what it was, so how about a "how to memorize new songs when you're an old fart" workshop?

I like the Family Album idea, and it goes right along with the 'influences' workshop, at least for me, because my family was my first musical influence (and my uncle Bud the first songwriter I ever met).

If I remember the workshop idea, I'll post that, too. As I recall, the idea came in conversation or correspondence with someone else, so mayhap they'll remember it.

Bob

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Janie
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 11:26 PM

An FSGW event might not be the place for this, but I wonder if there would be interest in something along the lines of a Riley Puckett/Charlie Poole workshop?

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Janie
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 11:21 PM

I love the "Family Album" idea.

I'll also add my voice to the chorus calling for a time slot to spend in celebration of the life of Barry Finn.   I imagine such a gathering would include a big helping of "Tales of Barry." In the fwiw department, if you do schedule a Remembrance, might not be a bad idea to not schedule anything "themed" opposite that time. Maybe an un-themed song circle and an un-themed jam. That would provide alternatives to folks who did not know Barry, or know him well enough to much care about attending something in remembrance of him, while not resulting in some one who has put the time and effort into preparing a workshop in a position that makes it likely the workshop or mini-concert would be poorly attended.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 08:10 PM

Good idea, Jerry... You do it and, unless they schedule me in a competing time slot, I'll be there...

B~

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 08:07 PM

I think an Influences workshop might be interesting. None of us were made out of whole cloth. Each participant could do two or three songs they either learned from someone who greatly influenced their style (I have several) or songs done reflecting the style of a musical influence.

I did a workshop at NOMAD a few years ago that might be interesting, too :A Family Album of Songs. The songs could include not only songs written about family members, but songs that were particular favorites of a family member.

Jerry

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Leadfingers
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 07:37 PM

I have already told Bobert I'll play whistle in the blues stuff !
Band AND Workshop - And maybe a Cut Price Yank Ratchell mandolin part ?

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Micca
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 07:18 PM

Nancy, I plan to be there, and therfore volunteer to help in any capacity that suits, I have a particular soft spot for the Songwriters showcase stuff, but anything you think of will be fine!
Micca

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 04:57 PM

BobertsBluesBand would love to do a mini or a workshop... Doesn't much matter... Just don't put me up against God Himself again... Last year year I had to take on Utah Phillips... Year before that??? I can't rmember but it was equally challengin'... Makes it hard to round up the Floozies...

Will also volunteer to do a "Train Song" workshop...

And available to do a "Beer Sneaking" workshop...

BTW, always lookin' for new Floozie talent... Post posterior pics, por favor... lol...

B~

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Charley Noble
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 04:24 PM

A couple of years ago I led a workshop in adapting the poems of Cicely Fox Smith for singing. Now I've published Volume 1 of the Sea Songs of Cicely Fox Smith and would be happy to lead another workshop if there is interest.

I'd also be interested in assisting with a Barry Finn Remembrance. My wife and I recorded and produced Barry and Neil's CD and got to know them very well.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Severn
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 03:46 PM

As usual, I will throw out a few ideas for themed song circles in hopes that one or two won't be thrown out in the final selection. Here's the first batch. I mainly do this because it's fun to imagine them both in theory and in practice....



"Oiled Aquaintence" (or "So Oily One Mourn")--Spilled or unspilt. "Oil in My Lamp" or "Jerry Go Ile The Car". Olive, Cod-Liver or Whale. "The Hoily Rig", "Hootie's Ignorant Oil" or the feasibility of furthur drilling off Olay...

Songs about the Chesapeake and Potomac regions to give our visitors a sense of place and historical perspective.

"The Getaway-Getaway Workshop"--Pure escapism a la John Webb, Old Riley and John Hardy. Getaway as a request a la "Shoo Fly, Don't Bother Me". Elopment a la Lochnivar from out of the West. "Let's Get Away From It All" or anything else you think you can get away with...

"The Getaway-Gotaway Workshop"--Honoring past visitors passed on, past visitors who for some reason couldn't make it this year or Mudcat friends who moan over the internet about always wanting to come but somehow never quite do. A chance to represent those spirits and those in spirit that anyone misses by singing their songs....

Some sort of vocal technique-oriented workshop.

"Crying Fowl"--Gay goshawks, dead wrens, warbling nightingales. Cocks bringing on the day or robins and cuckoos bringing on the seasons. Wise owls and "Woody Knows Nothin' But Peckin' On Wood". Symbolic Wild Geese, Blackbirds and Bonnie Moorhens.

"Robbery-Men Of Steal"--and women, as well. With six-gun or fountain pen. Robin Hood to Robbin' Hoodlums. Bands of outlaws and bands of black and/or blue velvet. Stolen Hearts and stolen brides. And your favorite corporations and legislators by name....

That's all for now, but there's bound to be a few more.....

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 01:06 PM

I'd like to be a part of a guitar workshop about guitar accompaniment for singers. It seems like 99% of guitar workshops are a showcase for the hottest licks you can play and are completely about doing instrumentals. I don't do windows or instrumentals. This would be a workshop for singers who play guitar and would like some ideas about how they can accompany themselves.

Jerry

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: jacqui.c
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 11:51 AM

Could we have a 'remembering Barry Finn' session, led by Ken Schatz, please.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: GUEST,Goodnight Gracie
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 11:33 AM

Hi Nancy,

Thanks to you and Lorraine, Carly and Cathy for taking this on. What a great line up of guests. It will be great to see Caroline and Linnea again -- it was great to see them at the WFF. I'm thrilled Debby is coming, besides a mini, I'd love it (if Debby is interested)if she would have a workshop on singing accompanied by banjo.

Grace

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Amos
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 09:46 AM

I'm planning for it, Nancy. Let me know what I can do.


A

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: SINSULL
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 08:28 AM

I will be there. I have added an anatomically correct sheep to the inflatable collection in case they are needed.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Leadfingers
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 05:54 AM

I think I could just about manage a Whistle Workshop again if you want Nancy !

Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Janie
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 12:39 AM

Nancy, Carly, Lorraine and Kathie,

Hats off to all of you, and to everyone with FSGW who make this wonderful annual magic happen. (Folks, there are actually only a relatively small number of FSGW people who put in an incredible amount of volunteer time and effort into creating this weekend that the rest of us just show up for and enjoy. The programming is a big part of it, and the most visible to most of us, but there is lots of other work involved also.)

Sounds like a wonderful guest line-up already! I'm not musical or adept enough to do a good job leading workshops, but if I can help with facilitating the programing in other ways, I'm more than happy to do so. Just let me know via pm what, if anything, I can do to help.

Subject: Getaway 2010 Program Planning
From: Nancy King
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 12:14 AM

Hi,Folks! It's time to get down to the business of planning the program for the 2010 Folklore Society of Greater Washington Getaway! This year's Getaway will be October 1-4, at the West River Conference Center on the Chesapeake Bay, and you're all invited!

If you'd like more information about the Getaway, put "Getaway" into the filter box at the top of the Mudcat page, set the age for a year or two, and you'll get more than you can read in a month or so. Before long there will be additional information on the FSGW website (www.fsgw.org).

One of the cool things about the Getaway is that we really try to tailor each year's program to the interests and talents of those who will be attending. But we can't do that until we know who's coming and what they're interested in doing. The Program Committee -- Carly Gewirz (Mudcatter "Carly"), Lorraine Van Buren (Mudcatter "Lorraine"), long-time FSGW member and Getaway-goer Kathie Mack, and I -- have been working on a fine lineup of invited guests. So far we have confirmed Debby McClatchy, Molly Andrews, Caroline Paton and Linnea Palmer Patron, Mark Ryer, and Mudcat's own Jerry Rasmussen, and we're working on a couple more. Now we're starting to put together lists of possible workshops, and we're ready for your input!

So, if you plan to come, please let us know that, and tell us what you would like to see on the program. Are there workshops you'd like to lead, co-lead, or attend? Workshops from previous years you'd like to see repeated (or not)? We're open to all suggestions, and although not all of them will end up on the final list (please do not assume that just because an idea's been discussed here, it will ipso facto be on the program...), we can assure you that all ideas will be given due consideration. You can post to this thread with your ideas, or PM any of us.

It would be a great help, by the way, if this thread could be reserved for program issues -- other Getaway topics should be posted elsewhere. Thanks.

The Getaway is all about participation, so start participating now!

Looking forward to seeing you all in October!

Nancy