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African trumpets

Jack Campin 26 Jun 10 - 07:11 PM
katlaughing 26 Jun 10 - 07:19 PM
katlaughing 26 Jun 10 - 07:21 PM
katlaughing 26 Jun 10 - 07:25 PM
Janie 26 Jun 10 - 11:51 PM
Joe Offer 27 Jun 10 - 02:14 AM
bubblyrat 27 Jun 10 - 06:07 AM
Bruce from Bathurst 27 Jun 10 - 08:31 AM
Rob Naylor 27 Jun 10 - 08:44 AM
katlaughing 27 Jun 10 - 12:30 PM
Jack Campin 28 Jun 10 - 05:02 AM
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Subject: African trumpets
From: Jack Campin
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 07:11 PM

We already have a BS thread about the vuvuzela, some of which isn't really BS at all.

Here's another one. I just got a copy of the CD re-release of the Nonesuch LP H-72066 from 1975, "Kenya and Tanzania: Witchcraft and Ritual Music". Field recordings by David Fanshawe.

There are two tracks featuring an trumpet called the "bung'o" - one "soprano", the other with an extension tube to make it an "alto". There's a photo of it in use, and the "soprano" seems to be just a metal vuvuzela by another name.

The unnamed player on the CD uses it to make a mixture of whoops, signal-like calls, and something approaching melodies. Far beyond football-crowd technique.

So I guess the thing has a long history in Sub-Saharan Africa, and the religious sect that was complaining about its appropriation by football fans might have a point. (I doubt if Israeli football fans blowing massed plastic shofars would get away without being grumbled at by guys in beards, either).


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Subject: RE: African trumpets
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 07:19 PM

This is interesting. If you put the title of the CD in a youtube search there are several files that come up. Some have no video, but the music/chanting/etc. is well recorded. Thanks!


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Subject: RE: African trumpets
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 07:21 PM

Forgot to say, I really like this one.


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Subject: RE: African trumpets
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 07:25 PM

Here's one of a HORN.

It seems the ones which just show a blue screen have no audio.


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Subject: RE: African trumpets
From: Janie
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 11:51 PM

Thanks Jack (and Kat.)

I'm not a big sports fan (other than ACC and WV college basketball!), and therefore only peeked in at the very beginning of the vuvuzela thread, which I guess is the run up to you starting this thread. Now that I have this context I'll have to go back to that thread to glean more from it to understand your context. I have long been interested in traditional African music and dance. There are so many different cultures in Africa and so many traditional instruments (and so many cultural, religious and/or spiritual traditions with which the instruments and dances are associated. I always enjoy learning more.

(One neat thing about Youtube is when someone provides a link, such as did you, Kat, there are all those related videos to check out and follow!)

Thanks again, to both of you.


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Subject: RE: African trumpets
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 02:14 AM

Jack, is this from the Nonesuch recording? (Witchcraft and Ritual Music - Alto Bung'o Horn).
A YouTube search for
Witchcraft and Ritual Music brings up lots of good stuff.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: African trumpets
From: bubblyrat
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 06:07 AM

Whatever they may or may not be,they make a truly AWFUL noise,and have no place at a world-class football match ; Imagine what it would be like if the World Cup was held in Scotland,and everyone in the stands played the bagpipes ! Or, Heaven forfend,in Brittany, and thousands of bombarde -players turned up ! The dreaded vuvuzelas and their derivatives should be confiscated by the authorities at all the South African stadia !


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Subject: RE: African trumpets
From: Bruce from Bathurst
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 08:31 AM

Surely the constant blurt of the vuvuzela would add nothing positive to the experience of watching the game in the stadium.

I've been watching the occasional World Cup game on TV here in the east of Australia and, because of time zones, I turn the sound way down in order to preserve marital harmony. I hear minimal game commentary (that's bad), no vuvuzela (that's good) and no complaints from the other part of the house (that's excellent).

It's drawing a very long bow to suggest the vuvuzela, in its current plastic incarnation, is a newly emerging folk instrument and an ethnomusicologist's delight. I read somewhere that the vuvuzela was drowning out the sound of singing from the terraces. If that's the case it's unfortunate and yet another reason to have the things either taken away from, or inserted in, the "musicians".


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Subject: RE: African trumpets
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 08:44 AM

I can hear them in the street now and coming from houses up and down the road...presumably people have their windows open or are coming to the door to blow the damn things every time somethong significant happens?

Tempted to get the Les Paul out, crank up the Vox to full volume and treat the street to a bit of heavy power chord thrashing!!!


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Subject: RE: African trumpets
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 12:30 PM

That's what the other thread is about, guys. This one, as I see it, is going in the direction of much more of trad music from the area, some of it very beautiful, imo.

Joe, did ya not read the previous postings? See my links.:-)

Thanks, Janie and Jack.


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Subject: RE: African trumpets
From: Jack Campin
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 05:02 AM

This is the soprano bung'o track:

Kayamba Dance - Giriama Wedding


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