BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)

Subject: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 09:50 AM

I waited two days to see if anyone else would comment about this case, but the silence was deafening.



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Ex-Official Accuses Justice Department of Racial Bias in Black Panther Case

Published July 06, 2010

In emotional and personal testimony, an ex-Justice official who quit over the handling of a voter intimidation case against the New Black Panther Party accused his former employer of instructing attorneys in the civil rights division to ignore cases that involve black defendants and white victims.

J. Christian Adams, testifying Tuesday before the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, said that "over and over and over again," the department showed "hostility" toward those cases. He described the Black Panther case as one example of that -- he defended the legitimacy of the suit and said his "blood boiled" when he heard a Justice official claim the case wasn't solid.

"It is false," Adams said of the claim.

"We abetted wrongdoing and abandoned law-abiding citizens," he later testified.

The department abandoned the New Black Panther case last year. It stemmed from an incident on Election Day in 2008 in Philadelphia, where members of the party were videotaped in front of a polling place, dressed in military-style uniforms and allegedly hurling racial slurs while one brandished a night stick.

The Bush Justice Department brought the first case against three members of the group, accusing them in a civil complaint of violating the Voter Rights Act. The Obama administration initially pursued the case, winning a default judgment in federal court in April 2009 when the Black Panther members did not appear in court. But then the administration moved to dismiss the charges the following month after getting one of the New Black Panther members to agree to not carry a "deadly weapon" near a polling place until 2012.

In a statement Tuesday, a Justice spokesman said the civil rights division determined "the facts and the law did not support pursuing claims" against the two other defendants and denied Adams' allegations.

"The department makes enforcement decisions based on the merits, not the race, gender or ethnicity of any party involved. We are committed to comprehensive and vigorous enforcement of both the civil and criminal provisions of the federal laws that prohibit voter intimidation," the spokesman said.

The Civil Rights Commission, which subpoenaed Adams, has been probing the incident since last year. Adams said he ignored department directives not to testify and eventually quit after he heard Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez testify that there were concerns the Black Panther case was not supported by the facts.

Adams has described the case as open-and-shut and said Tuesday that it was a "very low moment" to hear Perez make that claim.

But he described the department's hostility toward that and other cases involving black defendants as "pervasive." Adams cited hostility in the department toward a 2007 voting rights case against a black official in Mississippi who was accused of trying to intimidate voters. Adams said that when the Black Panther case came up, he heard officials in the department say it was "no big deal" and "media-generated" and point to "Fox News" as the source.

But as the investigation unfolded, he said he discovered "indications" that the Black Panther Party was doing the "same thing" to supporters of former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton during the Democratic primary season in early 2008. He urged the commission to pursue testimony from other Justice officials to corroborate his story.

It's unclear how far the commission will get. The commissioners want to hear from Christopher Coates, the former chief of the Justice Department's voting section, but the commission claims the Justice Department is blocking Coates from testifying about why the case was dropped.

In a written statement last week, the department questioned the motives of Adams, now an attorney in Virginia and a blogger for Pajamas Media.

"It is not uncommon for attorneys with the department to have good faith disagreements about the appropriate course of action in a particular case, although it is regrettable when a former department attorney distorts the facts and makes baseless allegations to promote his or her agenda," the statement said.

Adams said Tuesday that his personal views played no part in his handling of the case. He also said he did not fight to testify before the commission but resigned after the department would not take action to quash the subpoena.

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Apparent source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/06/ex-official-accuses-justice-department-racial-bias-black-panther-case/
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 10:15 AM

Same old shit on a different day. Nothing but trolling from the trollmaster of Mudcat.

People will comment and try to discuss.......Bill D. will be along and Bruce will fall back on the same worn out whining and bullshit that he uses all the time when he's crying over the plight of the crapass Repubs and their failurre to defeat Barack Obama.

Let's move along now folks......Nothing to see here......Bruce wants you to piss into the wind but I suggest you stay dry and piss on him instead by not playing!


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: Amergin
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 10:29 AM

I always figured that Bruce secretly liked golden showers.....

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: SINSULL
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 10:35 AM

"I waited two days to see if anyone else would comment about this case, but the silence was deafening. "

Did I miss something? Where is Bruce's comment?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 10:39 AM

I guessed right again!

I always know a bearded bruce thread by its screwy skewed title.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 10:42 AM

My comment is that Obama's DOJ has a policy of NOT pursuing any Civil Rights case where the victim is white, and the accused is black. And it is lying to Congress about it.

But I guess that is OK, since it is not Bush...





Amerigin-

Not everone has your taste for excrement.




Spaw,

You insist on attacking me, rather than discussing the subject. I hate to see you give up and admit I am right so easily- TRY top think of something other than attacking the poster when you disagree with them.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 11:03 AM

Jesus, BB, you are a real piece of work, aintcha?

Another turd story from Faux News(notice you didn't mention that)

Please do read some of J. Christian Adams stories/postings on Pajama- party Media; he's obviously trying for the Glenn Beck Accuracy In Reporting Award.

The Bushies screwed up & took a case to trial they didn't have evidence to prosecute and you're blaming it on the Obama Admin?

Get your meds adjusted.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 11:11 AM

GregF,

YOU state:
"The Bushies screwed up & took a case to trial they didn't have evidence to prosecute"




"he Bush Justice Department brought the first case against three members of the group, accusing them in a civil complaint of violating the Voter Rights Act. The Obama administration initially pursued the case, winning a default judgment in federal court in April 2009 when the Black Panther members did not appear in court."

They had ALREADY WON the case.




YOU are a real piece of excrement, aintcha?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 11:20 AM

To repeat the rants of Beck, Levine, Limbaugh and other Luny Lunkheads is for losers.

They will make you feel a fully fucked fear for freedom's fate.


But they will not make you correct or happy in your life.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 11:22 AM

If the Obama Administration "won the case", genius, then what's your problem ?

By the way, is this case anything like the fundagelicals in front of abortion clinics hassling & terrorizing clients & interfering with theie civil rights??

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 11:40 AM

GregF,

this is getting tiring.

" The Obama administration initially pursued the case, winning a default judgment in federal court in April 2009 when the Black Panther members did not appear in court. But then the administration moved to dismiss the charges the following month after getting one of the New Black Panther members to agree to not carry a "deadly weapon" near a polling place until 2012.
"

They dropped the case BECAUSE THE DOJ did not want to prosecute were the defendent was white.

Civil rights are dependent on the color of the victim, it seems.

Great precedent to have, don't you think?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: SINSULL
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 11:58 AM

First you say:
"My comment is that Obama's DOJ has a policy of NOT pursuing any Civil Rights case where the victim is white, and the accused is black. And it is lying to Congress about it."

Directly above you say:
"They dropped the case BECAUSE THE DOJ did not want to prosecute were the defendent was white."


????????????????

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 12:01 PM

The case, bb, seems fairly mild. It appears more to be a violation of ordinances governing activities close to a polling place.

The "deadly weapon" was ONE nightstick.


"They dropped the case BECAUSE THE DOJ did not want to prosecute were the defendent was white."

?? That statement appears to be a leap. It must be painful to live in your head.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 12:03 PM

note the sources

...I think we may not be getting all of the story. Faux News is not exactly renowned for mentioning all of the details.

Can YOU say "spin it!"?

"They dropped the case BECAUSE THE DOJ did not want to prosecute were the defendent was white."

Even IF (note the *IF*) this was true, what does this have to do with Obama? Why would it not just be about one prejudiced official?

I'd bet we hear more..

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 12:04 PM

ho hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 12:24 PM

Like I said above......................

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 12:27 PM

Is he talking about the ace of spades?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 12:30 PM

1. The DOJ has a policy of NOT pursuing cases where the defendent is black and the victim is white- per testimony to the US Civil rights commission by the one lawyer who quit.

2. The DOJ has blocked any other testimony from the lawyers it presently has to the USCRC.

3. The case had already been won, and the lawyers were told to drop it.

4. There is testimony from a civil rights lawyer ( who was on Kennedy's election team) that the racial slurs and threats were made- and the video tape supports the threatening use of the club.



If there are those here that think it is ok to NOT prosecurte civil rights cases because the defendent is black and the victim is white, I'm sorry for you. I hate to think of what the backlash would be- it will set civil rights back at least 50 years.




Ebbie,

"The case, bb, seems fairly mild. It appears more to be a violation of ordinances governing activities close to a polling place.

The "deadly weapon" was ONE nightstick."


Hey, in the south it was "Just one burning cross", so it must be ok????? Calling a distinguished civil rights lawyer ( a Democrat, NOT Adams) a "Cracker" and acting in a threatening manner is OK by you????

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 12:35 PM

"to prosecute were the defendent was white."

Should have been

to prosecute were the defendent was black, and the victim was white."

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 12:40 PM

Yes, Bruce, you're right. Prosecution was dropped because these people only see civil rights from one dimension.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: artbrooks
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 12:44 PM

It sounds to me like a typical situation of "it will cost too much to prosecute compared to the results, so let's not bother", combined with a plea bargain.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 12:53 PM

I took one look at the thread title and I knew right off who had started it.

If Obama doesn't clip his toenails regularly, we'll be hearing about that, too.

The problem is twofold:

1.    Obama's the wrong color.

2.    He won.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 12:59 PM

That's like saying a Zebra is the wrong color!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 01:02 PM

Hey, in the south it was "Just one burning cross", so it must be ok????? Calling a distinguished civil rights lawyer ( a Democrat, NOT Adams) a "Cracker" and acting in a threatening manner is OK by you????"

bearded bruce, where in the forgoing did you cite this statement?

AS for equating one nightstick with one burning cross, Bruce, give it a rest.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 01:27 PM

Art,

The DOJ HAD ALREADY WON THE CASE.

The lawyers were directed to NOT go to the judge and tell him/her what the desired punishment was to be, but to DROP THE CASE after winning the judgement.


Ebbie,

I am sure that we can now ignore ANY claims by blacks about people threatening to beat them with night sticks, according to you.

If it is now ok to deny civil rights based on skin color, I hope you are all happy when the next president gets elected, and applies this presedent that you all seem to approve of.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: SINSULL
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 02:47 PM

Where did Ebbie say that ANY claim should be ignored? Where did anyone say that they approve of the handling of this case ACCORDING TO FOX'S VERSION OF THE STORY? You're trolling again, Bruce.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 02:56 PM

Sinsull,

The attacks ON ME for posting a civil rights violations by thisadministration seems to indicate a complete acceptance by many here that it is ok to NOT prosecute blacks for civil rights violations against whites.

I would like to point out that the precedent, once accepted, will lead to undesireable consequences.

Besides being unfair and racist.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 03:01 PM

Calling a distinguished civil rights lawyer ( a Democrat, NOT Adams) a "Cracker" and acting in a threatening manner is OK by you????"

bearded bruce, where in the forgoing did you cite this statement?


In the actual interview, with that lawyer- the campaign manager for one of the Kennedy presidential campaigns. But then, since those here have judges that anything on Fox MUST be false, they will not even look at it-

I seem to recall a number of claims ONLY by opposition press to Bush- yet any attemopt to ignore them as being biased was laughed away.

Looks like bigotry to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: artbrooks
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 03:39 PM

As I read the original quote, and ignoring anything referenced later that is added in without being cited, the Justice Department won a default judgment because the defendants failed to appear at trial. This happened some three months after Mr. Obama's inauguration and less than a month after Mr. Holder became Attorney General. The Justice Department under the new administration apparently looked at the evidence (again, according to OP's original post) and decided that ""the facts and the law did not support pursuing claims" ". I suppose that, considering that the defendants are (presumably) dark-skinned and the blogger who is complaining about this nonsense is (presumably) light-skinned, he would have believed that pursuing any case initiated by the previous administration, regardless of its merits, was appropriate.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 03:58 PM

Art,

1. YOUR comment assumes that ALL whites are raciost- and I find that to be in bad taste.

The point was that the video and testimony show a clear violation of the civil rights act- and Obama DOJ officials have decided that blacks are not required to obey that law.

Let's let the US Civil Rights Commission actually talk to the lawyers involved- which the DOJ has prevented so far.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 04:00 PM

Here's what comes through from BB to summarize his argument:

Waaaa.......Waaaaa........Isn't fair.....no fair..no fair.......You all were so mean to poor Bush and now you are mean to me and defend that nasty ni, er,uh, Obama guy......No fair......Waaaaaa...Waaaaaa.......I gonna' go and get more straw.....and Glenn Beck too!!!!..........Waaaaa......Waaaaaa......


Of course I may just be imagining it...........

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: SINSULL
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 04:12 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/07/us/07rights.html


A slightly different presentation of the case.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 04:27 PM

But OBVIOUSLY the NYT is a biased source, so, a la many here I can just ignore whatever they say. That seems to be the preferred method of dealing with determining truth, as far as I see it being done here at Mudcat.

Thank you for the posting- but I saw the videotape and the interview with the Kennedy campaign manager. Did you?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: SINSULL
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 04:31 PM

I read the Fox report and I read the NYTimes report. The real story is somewhere between the two. I posted the link for anyone who cared to read it. Did you?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 04:33 PM

Oh Sins.....That just can't be right! Why BB has his straight from the horse's ass mouth at that bastion of freedom and truth, Faux News. And here you are with some lame Times piece. How could you? I think Fox should join the print media with the Times and Post so people will take them seriously!

Geeziz......What a thought. Ya' know though, if Fox went print, they would be come the complete source..........for wrapping fish, little puppies piddle papres, bird cage liners, and even as the occasional, emergency asswipe. As things are now the only asswipes they provide are their followers...................

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 04:46 PM

Spaw,

So you have a permanant position at the Obama administration, then?

I figured with your obvious expertise in BS, you would be the White House Spokesman by now.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 04:49 PM

BB does a much better job of authenticating the whine than those who cite counter sources.

"Published July 06, 2010" but WHERE AND BY WHOM?

The first rule of propaganda is to never reveal a source. Just make a claim and rant about it.

Maybe the reason no one else started a thread is that nobody else listens to or reads your choice of lunatics?

PDFTT.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 05:28 PM

Yeah, okay, I too knew this was a BB thread because of the way it was worded...

First of all, given the Bush messes that Obama is still trying to clean up I find it amazing that anyone would expect him to be all over a relatively low level DOJ decision but...

...secondly and more important I though this thread was going to be about the DOJ taking Arizona to court over its racial profiling immigration policy that is about to go into effect... That is a 100 times more story than this "Faux" story...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 06:54 PM

Yes, and hopefully Arizona wins that suit and lights the way to save North America.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 08:05 PM

Rigs, Rigs, Rigs...

Hey, pal, me thinks yer driftin' too far from the shore...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 08:05 PM

Yeah, right!

And take another (goose) step down the road to Buchenwald. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 09:31 PM

Just want to save the planet, that's all!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 09:41 PM

I don't know that I see the need for the addition of (opinion thread) to the thread title, although I think something needs to be done about thread titles that are obviously propaganda. Maybe it would be better to just put the thread originator's name next to the thread title.....


Bruce, you can post all the propaganda you want in your messages, but keep it out of thread titles, willya? You're one of the worst offenders. We are a discussion forum, which means people are allowed to discuss all sides of an issue. A propaganda title serves to start the thread out with a slant.

Oh....and when you copy-paste information, be sure to cite your source.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: artbrooks
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 10:23 PM

While I realize that this is entirely off-topic, just how does preventing the citizens of one country in North America from entering another country in North America save North America?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 11:14 PM

Don't complicate the issue, Art. ;>)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 12:02 AM

I think what we have here are a couple of guys vigorously riding their hobby horses, under the assumption that they're actually going somewhere.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 02:07 PM

OK, since the "Obama is God " group insists that they do not acknowledge Fox, here is another article:

____________________________________________________________________
Ex-Justice Dept lawyer says whites' rights ignored
By JESSE WASHINGTON (AP) – Jul 1, 2010

PHILADELPHIA — Witnesses described an ugly scene: Two members of the New Black Panther Party threatening white voters the day Barack Obama was elected president, flinging insults like "white devil" and "you're about to be ruled by the black man, cracker."

The fallout from the case has become even uglier. Most charges against the men were dropped for lack of evidence, the U.S. Justice Department says. Now a former Justice Department lawyer is accusing his ex-superiors of ignoring white voters' rights and creating a systematic "one-way" approach in which only minorities are protected.

The claims by J. Christian Adams are the latest installment of a long-running dispute over Justice Department enforcement of the nation's civil rights laws. It's a political fight over such volatile accusations as black-on-white racism, double standards and payback — issues that are magnified with black men serving as president and attorney general.

"To some, the civil rights laws are not meant to protect all Americans, they are meant to protect certain Americans," Adams, a conservative who helped prosecute the case against the New Black Panthers, wrote in a June 28 essay on pajamasmedia.com. He quit the Justice Department on May 14.

Adams declined to speak with The Associated Press on Thursday. He told Fox News earlier, "There is a pervasive hostility within the civil rights division at the Justice Department toward these sorts of cases" where blacks are accused of discrimination."

Department of Justice spokesman Tracy Schmaler said the law is enforced equally for everyone and that the charges against the New Black Panthers were dropped because they were not supported by the facts or the law.

"We continue to work with voters, communities and local law enforcement to ensure that every American can vote free from intimidation, coercion or threats," Schmaler said.

On Election Day 2008, King Samir Shabazz and Jerry Jackson dressed in black uniforms of the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense, whose website recently made such statements as, "the white man has kept us deaf, dumb and blind, and used every `dirty trick' in the book to stand in the way of our freedom and independence."

The men stationed themselves near the entrance to a polling place in a largely black neighborhood. Shabazz carried a nightstick. Their actions quickly came to the attention of police, who told Shabazz to leave but allowed Jackson, a certified poll watcher, to remain.

Shortly before President George W. Bush left office, the Justice Department filed a civil lawsuit against the two men, the New Black Panther Party and its leader, Malik Zulu Shabazz. The defendants never responded to the government's lawsuit, which had the same effect as a guilty plea.

Before any penalties could be handed down — and after Obama appointed Eric Holder to run the Justice Department — charges were dropped against everyone but Samir Shabazz. The court prohibited him from displaying a weapon within 100 feet of any Philadelphia polling place through 2012.

The Justice Department has explained this decision by saying that Jackson was a certified poll watcher who did not carry any weapons, that the New Black Panther website denounced the actions in Philadelphia and that the group had no national plan to intimidate voters.

Adams says it should have been an open-and-shut case and that numerous "career" Justice Department attorneys — as opposed to those who come and go with each administration — agreed that the New Black Panthers clearly intimidated voters.

He wrote that some people see selective enforcement of civil rights laws "as a backdoor way to achieve reparations for slavery and discrimination. If the American public won't tolerate monetary reparations, which they won't, then a one-way approach to civil rights laws is seen as the next best alternative."

"This aggressive one-way approach toward the civil rights laws is central to understanding why the voter intimidation case against the New Black Panther Party was dismissed by the Obama Justice Department," he wrote.

Adams' claims are rooted in decades of ideological battles over the Justice Department that were fought as overt racism waned and the wisdom of laws aimed at helping minorities began to be questioned.

Ronald Reagan's administration drew much liberal criticism for its enforcement priorities, as did Bill Clinton's from conservatives. Last December, a Government Accountability Office report documented what Democrats called reduced enforcement of major laws against discrimination and voting rights during the Bush administration.

Now it's the conservatives' turn.

"There's a fair amount of evidence, from this case and others, of a belief that these laws should only be used to enforce the rights of minorities," said Jennifer Rubin, a contributing editor at Commentary magazine who has written extensively about the New Black Panther case. "That's a matter for public debate, and perhaps great concern."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i6PlcZeiW_Nucd6_I72lQV6BEi4QD9GMHAS82




Now, can we discuss the issue instead of me? Or is there no justification for these acts, and someone in the DOJ should be fired, and possibbly prosecuted?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 02:21 PM

The discussion is only about politics as usual and not on how to get past THAT.....The word is revo;ution.

This is politics as usual:


Adams' claims are rooted in decades of ideological battles over the Justice Department that were fought as overt racism waned and the wisdom of laws aimed at helping minorities began to be questioned.

Ronald Reagan's administration drew much liberal criticism for its enforcement priorities, as did Bill Clinton's from conservatives. Last December, a Government Accountability Office report documented what Democrats called reduced enforcement of major laws against discrimination and voting rights during the Bush administration.

Now it's the conservatives' turn.


Next...................

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 02:46 PM

Spaw,

A fair comment, but the accusation requires investigation.

As did any BY LIBERALS about the actions under a conservative administration. To ignore it is to undermine the entire idea of whistleblowers, as well as the fairness of the law.


The POLL WATCHER who came outside ( after being told by the NBP not to) called the police.

To accept this without investigation means that the next time blacks are prevented from voting by intimidation, the DOJ has established a precedent that it is ok.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 02:58 PM

"Obama's DOJ. . . ."

Actually, the Department of Justice is full of Bush administration hold-overs, and if Obama is remiss in this matter at all, it's that he didn't adequately shovel out the stables.

Bush-Era DOJ-er Stoking New Black Panther Case
By Zachary Roth

It was always going to take more than a few speeches by Eric Holder to clear out the rot of the Bush-Gonzales years at the Department of Justice. And sure enough, it looks like DOJ lawyers hired during the last administration are still making mischief for the current one.

Meet J. Christian Adams. He's the Civil Rights Division attorney who, according to Main Justice, helped bring that voter intimidation case against members of the New Black Panther party, stemming from an Election Day incident.

The case was dismissed in May, with DOJ officials saying the evidence was weak, and the incident isolated. But it -- and Adams himself -- are still causing a headache for the department.

That's because the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, currently dominated by conservatives, has been investigating DOJ's decision to drop it. And, reports Main Justice, Adams is in conflict with his Obama administration bosses over whether he's obliged to comply with a subpoena from the commission on it. The Justice Department has said it doesn't have to comply, and has ordered Adams not to testify until a final decision has been made. Adams counters that not doing so could expose him to the risk of jail time.

But a fear of prison may not be the only reason Adams is eager to testify about how the case he helped bring got shelved. According to Main Justice, he was hired to the Civil Rights Division in 2005 by none other than Bradley Schlozman, the Bush appointee who, as acting head of the division in 2006, was found to have violated rules against politicized hiring, then lied to Congress about it.

Adams is also a former volunteer with the right-wing National Republican Lawyers Association, which just today charged that the Holder Justice Department's stances on both the Panther case and the ACORN funding case show that "politics can thwart the rule of law."

And in 2004, as a Bush campaign poll watcher in Florida, Adams publicly criticized a black couple that refused to accept a provisional ballot, after election officials said they had no record of the couple's change of address forms, Bloomberg reported. Voters had been warned not to accept provisional ballots, because of the risk that they could later be discounted.

We don't yet know how the stand-off over the commission's New Black Panther probe will play out. But one thing is clear: the fight to end the Bushies' politicization of the Department of Justice continues.

Despite the AP story that BB posted, AP also reported that J. Christian Adams refused to talk to them, but he did talk to Fox News.

And now, as Paul Harvey used to say, you know the rest of the story.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 03:10 PM

So, Don, you think that people opposed to the present administration should be ignored, and not be able to request investigations???



Then you obviously had a problem with liberals during the Bush administration, bringing up all sorts of accusaions. They should have been shut up and ignored, according to YOUR standards.



Don: "Despite the AP story that BB posted, AP also reported that J. Christian Adams refused to talk to them, but he did talk to Fox News"

AP Article: "Adams declined to speak with The Associated Press on Thursday. He told Fox News earlier..."

So the point of your comment was to show you CAN read????

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 04:02 PM

BB, it's obvious that you're not interested in a reasonable discussion, you just answer any opposing viewpoint by being snotty.

Very telling.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: artbrooks
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 05:15 PM

The issue has been discussed. Most of those posting agree that there really is no issue. Please feel free to disagree - but I won't be here to read it.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 05:19 PM

Yeah, and alot of Obama's DOJ holdovers are the same peope who had to all but swear an oath to love Bush forever and be against abortion and taxes and, and... in order to get their jobs from Bush???

And as for Obama's people??? Hundreds of appointments are being held up by the Repubs so it ain't all that easy to become an "Obama's people" without having to cowtie to the knothead Repubs in Congress???

This minority rule is getting a little old...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 05:36 PM

Bruce started an earlier thread on "Obama's" TSA (Transportation Safety Administration) to match this one on "Obama's" DOJ (Department of Justice). They keep trying, but Presidents really have limited ability to affect the operations of government agencies.
The Reagan Administration appointed political commissars at the regional office level of most agencies, and subsequent presidents retained at least some of these political positions. Eventually, we learned how to ignore the commissars. Even the cabinet members who are supposed to direct agencies, have relatively little effect on the independence of civil service bureaucrats - the people who actually know how to do the work.

It's true that the Bush Administration attempted to politicize the Civil Rights Office of the Department of Justice, but it was only partly successful in this effort. I used to work on assignments for the DOJ Civil Rights Office - they're a pretty good organization. It seems to me that the Philadelphia situation in question, had been one of those Bush Administration attempts to use the agency for political purposes. The Black Panthers' actions were certainly not as threatening as the demonstrators carrying rifles outside an arena where Obama was speaking. Prosecution of the non-violent Black Panther demonstration was beyond the moderate, non-political stance the Civil Rights Office has traditionally taken.


So, the speak of "Obama's TSA" or "Obama's DOJ" (Department of Justice) is a misconception. Government agencies are not political puppets. For the most part, they carry out the laws enacted by Congress - not the petty whims of politicians. But the politicians still keep trying.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Ref
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 06:41 PM

This is a bunch of crap.   The only mistake the Dems made here was not to announce on day one that they'd be reviewing the records of every lawyer hired under Bush AG's, with a particular interest in weeding out the Regency University, Liberty University, and Patrick Henry College grads.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 09:24 PM

Thank you, ref... Me thinks that there are one shitload of GS-15s and up who had to pledge to love George Bush until the day he dies to get the jobs they now have... The Civil Rights prosecutors ain't nuthin' but a blip on the corrupt hiring practices that the Bush/Cheney regime used...

I mean, look at Iraq... They hired a 20 something kid to run the Iraqi stock markets who had no experience in anything other than being a loyal anti-abortion, anti-tax Republican cookie-cutter foot soldier...

I think it is a grave mistake to think that the government that Bush left were all these wonderfully qualified people, other than a handfull of federal prosecutors... That's bull... After 9/11 it was Katie0bar-the-door for the US government getting packed with right winged idealogues... And guess what??? They are still there and will be until they retire!!! So when very stuipd things happen by these underqualifued people it's pathetic to have the Bushites here bal;me it on Obama... Bush left enough ticking time-bombs in our governemnt to last us a life time of bad shit happening...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 09:47 PM

It has all the earmarks of a Machiavellian ploy.

If you do get turfed out of office, be sure that you've left enough crap-traps behind that the next administration gets blamed for the doings of the previous administration. That way, you have a better chance of getting back in in the next election.

Replaces poison and dagger-thrusts in dark hallways, which, in these enlightened (??) days, are much too obvious and are generally frowned upon.

Elementary, my dear Borgia. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jul 10 - 08:49 AM

Well, all one needs to do is look at the Supreme Court to see just just how Bush boobie-trapped the next administration... And the country, fir that matter...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 10:41 PM

Okay...tonight the story finally made the LIBERAL news media...
(oh...do remember that *I* said 4 days ago:)

"...I think we may not be getting all of the story. Faux News is not exactly renowned for mentioning all of the details."

here is one explanation, which jibes with the basic facts noted on Keith Olbermann's program, where he noted that Bill O'Reilly was, "as we speak" still pushing the Fox version.

Long & short is in this quote from the above source: (more there)

"The decision not to file a criminal case occurred before Obama was even in office.

This means that the case was downgraded to a civil case 11 days before Obama was inaugurated, 26 days before Eric Holder became attorney general, and about nine months before Thomas Perez was confirmed as head of the Civil Rights Division.

From Media Matters:

# Adams has admitted that he does not have first-hand knowledge of the events, conversations, and decisions that he is citing to advance his accusations;
# The Bush administration's Justice Department — not the Obama administration — made the decision not to pursue criminal charges against members of the New Black Panther Party for alleged voter intimidation at a polling center in Philadelphia in 2008;
# The Obama administration successfully obtained default judgment against Samir Shabazz, a member of the New Black Panther Party carrying a nightstick outside the Philadelphia polling center on Election Day 2008;
# The Bush administration DOJ chose not to pursue similar charges against members of the Minutemen, one of whom allegedly carried a weapon while harassing Hispanic voters in Arizona in 2006;
# No voters have come forward to claim that they were intimidated from voting on account of the New Black Panthers standing outside the polling center in 2008;

So, no matter how many times J. Christian Adams declares that the Obama administration refuses to protect the rights of white people — and no matter how many times Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh repeat it — it's not true."

And THAT is why, Bruce, there was such 'deafening silence' while you waited for we **Liberals** to gasp and quiver at 'our' DOJ's failure to 'do something' and why the trumped up charge "... that Obama's DOJ has a policy of NOT pursuing any Civil Rights case where the victim is white, and the accused is black. And it is lying to Congress about it." is simply nonsense.

I repeat, from 4 days ago....Can YOU say "spin"?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 10:51 PM

Ya' know what, Bill???

'Ol Bobert gonna tell ya' so listen up...

(Bobert whispers)

"Between you and me, there are alot of people out there (and some here) who is, ahhhh... (Anyone listenin'???) Deviod of any ability to see, ahhhh, reality"

(Purdy scarey, ain't it, folks???)

((Not to the delussional, Bobz...)

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 11:00 PM

Thomas Jefferson said that the survival of democracy depends on a well-informed electorate.

Sometimes I'm afraid that we are doomed!

(Way to go, BB!)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 11:16 PM

I am beginning to suspect, Don, that 'information overload' may be involved. When hundreds of 'sources' can just copy & paste the same mis-information, it has become a lot of work to dig thru the hype to sort out the truth..(and find the parts left out).

Also on the show tonight was the FULL story of the couple who posed as pimp & prostitute to allegedly trap ACORN staffers into illegal acts. Yes...they edited the tape, and the full tape shows the ACORN staffer pumped the fakes for info, then called the police and reported them. But, of course, ACORN was hounded into quitting before all the "spun" news could be clarified. Throw enough mud, and your opponents may not be able to shower 9 times a day.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 11:23 PM

Interesting theory, Bill...

The righties used to be lefties but carrying all them , ahhhh, facts hurt their head so bad that their heads shut down leaving them back where they atarted out???

Interesting...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 11:40 PM

No...the righties didn't used to be lefties. They just now have thousands of folks doing C&P of rightie propaganda...fueled by Fox News as the most visible source creating skewed and faked information... and it makes what used to be just silly rumors into an entire **belief system**! It has turned "old wives tales" and nutty theories into full-fledged, systematic lying to influence the lazy and impressionable who already WANT to believe bad stuff about the government.

   Someone said tonight, "...the nuts used to write us letters on red typewriter ribbons in ALL CAPS! Now they have their own websites!"

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: GUEST,redhorse at work
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 08:47 AM

Bill has got it right, but I don't think it's anything to do with lefties or righties.

I have for some time had the feeling that in some areas there is an unwarranted respect for citation. If I say as my personal opinion, "Obama is an idiot" my view will be accepted or rejected as appropriate. But if I cut and paste an article from wherever that says "Obama is an idiot", there is an expectation that this view should be taken more seriously, purely by virtue of the fact that it has been published by someone else.

It seems to stem from an idea that if you can get something published, you must be an authority worthy of respect. I doubt this was true even in the golden age of newspapers. In the age of the internet, it's palpable nonsense.

nick

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 08:51 AM

I kinda go the other way, nick... I assume that all cut 'n post are lies, left or right... I'd much rather hear someone say what's on his or her mind based on their knowledge and past/present experiences... That's why I don't read cut 'n posts and I'm sure lotta other just scroll thru 'um as well...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: GUEST,redhorse at work
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 09:37 AM

Agreed, Bobert.

If an arguments's not good enough to stand up on its own merits without the bogus authority of citation, why should I bother to read it?

nick

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 09:57 AM

Thomas Jefferson said that the survival of democracy depends on a well-informed electorate.

Probably why funding for education has been consistently cut across the board in Repuiblican administrations from Reagan thru Baby Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 01:58 PM

In high school back in the late 1940s, I had a year of World History, followed by a full year of American History, followed in turn by a semester of Civics (the Constitution, a survey of various political and economic theories, a touch of ethics). These courses were required for graduation.

Is any of that being taught at all anymore!??

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 03:19 PM

I don't think so, Don, except in college... But college is the new high school... And postgrad work is like the old college... Everything has been dumbed down a few notches... We are moving into a "Brave New World" where the Epsilons makeup the majority of the voters...

Kinda what I have referred to an "Epsilon Nation"...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Ref
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 05:16 PM

This whole "story" about the NBPP and the Obama administration has now been de-bunked. The decision not to prosecute was made before Obama took office. Gotta love the instant credibility these embedded Republican liars get from the so-called "liberal media!"

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: artbrooks
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 05:34 PM

The current requirement for graduation from high school in Albuquerque is U.S. History, 1 year; World History, 1 year; New Mexico History, 1 semester; Government, 1 semester and Economics, 1 semester. I make no claims for the quality of the material presented or for the level of understanding that students bring out of it...but that really is as it has always been.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 05:47 PM

Bobert is right.

In my father's generation (he was born in 1901)graduation from elementary school meant something; it made you eminently employable.

A generation later (mine; I was born in 1935) completing high school was what you needed to successfully enter the job market.

Today, a college degree, while still necessary, is not enough in itself to ensure that you will succeed in your chosen field. A Master's is considered the minimum for many positions.

When we all get to put Ph.D behind our names, what will it worth, and where do we go from there?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 06:02 PM

Is any of that being taught at all anymore!??

No.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: artbrooks
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 06:31 PM

GregF, it is ALL being taught in Albuquerque, as I said an hour ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 10:30 PM

"But college is the new high school..."

         I thing Bobert is probably right about this, but why has it come to this. I can recall trying to fill in for teachers--yes, I know, that's pretty pointless--but the curriculum had been dumbed down in high school to what I recalled covering in grade school.
         It seems to me that one of the by-products of the cultural revolution of the 1960's was the beginning of the push to teach to the "lowest common denominator," at which point everyone else in the class is bored.
         The first step in finding a solution is to identify the problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: DougR
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 04:09 PM

The most interesting thing about this thread is so many are willing to express an opinion without knowing much about the subject. It's the same with chief critics of Arizona's SB1070.

Things just don't change do they?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 04:16 PM

The subject? WHICH subject? I detect several in this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 06:19 PM

The fact is that the situation BB is pissing and moaning about, and blaming on Obama, occurred during the Bush administration.

Listening to Fox News will rot your brain. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: DougR
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 06:25 PM

But the questionable action taken by the DOJ took place under the Obama administration!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 06:48 PM

GregF, it is ALL being taught in Albuquerque, as I said an hour ago.

Except, Art, if I may quote you:

quote: "I make no claims for the quality of the material presented or for the level of understanding that students bring out of it"

So exactly what IS being taught in Albuquerque then? Get back to us on that, will ya?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 07:02 PM

By a Bush appointee, Doug.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 07:37 PM

"By a Bush appointee, Doug."

Yep... and give us another 6 or more years, Doug, and we'll get rid of most of those making those 'questionable' decisions, and get a team in there with some sane direction... *grin*

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 07:43 PM

Problem with most Bush appointees: their main qualifications were that they were anti-abortion and swore to love Bush as long as he shall live... Not much else required...

Problem with most Obama appointees: Republican Senators have put arbitrary and secret holds on them getting confirmed and on the job...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 09:19 PM

Listening to Fox News will rot your brain. . . .

And you don't have to look any further than Douggie-Boy for conclusive proof.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 10:48 PM

Yeah, Greg... I loves Dougie... I really do... But between you and me he's got this little problem with his thinkerator so let's just be kind to him... (wink, wink...)... I mean, the boy can't help hisseff... That a bad thing but, hey??? Could be me or you... Right???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Jul 10 - 06:32 AM

Could be me or you... Right???

If I ever got that brain-dead I hope I'd have the common decency to shoot myself.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jul 10 - 08:12 AM

That's the problem, Greg... By the time ya get that far gone you ain't gotta nuff sense left to shoot yerself...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Jul 10 - 04:26 PM

"The Obama administration initially pursued the case, winning a default judgment in federal court in April 2009 when the Black Panther members did not appear in court. But then the administration moved to dismiss the charges the following month"


It appears that Bush was in office a lot longer than I thought- here it is MAY 2009, and he is still in charge...


Or maybe the propaganda on the left hasn't got the facts correct.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Jul 10 - 04:27 PM

Don,

"The fact is that the situation BB is pissing and moaning about, and blaming on Obama, occurred during the Bush administration.
"

So Bush is still the president????

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 15 Jul 10 - 10:53 PM

Troll is as Troll does.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 12:22 AM

Read more carefully, BB. And try thinking a bit.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 11:27 AM

Do note that, even as a civil case, this is about the "New Black Panther Party" which seems to consist of about 3 guys.

No matter what Faux News tries to suggest, this is not a big issue. They are 'connecting dots' that are not naturally connected and which this J. Christian Adams, a VERY far-right activist, was using to try to fan almost dead embers into flames.

That bone has been chewed and found tasteless, Bruce...don't wear your teeth out on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 12:01 PM

I think its 4 guys, Bill, but one is only part-time.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: artbrooks
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 12:07 PM

GregF: I am not a high school student, nor do I plan on returning to high school any time in the near future, so I cannot rationally comment on the quality of the presentation by teachers or the level of retention. Your comment, to which I responded, was "Is any of that being taught at all anymore!??...No." For that matter, I am equally unable to comment on the quality or the student retention of the instruction you received, lo these many years ago. :>)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 12:27 PM

Don,

THINKING, the case was dropped in MAY,2009 and you claim it was dropped under the Bush admnistration.

YOU need to read more carefully.


BillD et al:

So when BLACKS are threatened and turned away by white supremicists at the polls, you have no problem with them NOT being prosecuted under the law if they are only "about three ( or four) guys"??

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 01:24 PM

I have no problem with appropriate action being taken...and it was.

# The Obama administration successfully obtained default judgment against Samir Shabazz, a member of the New Black Panther Party carrying a nightstick outside the Philadelphia polling center on Election Day 2008

(read the REST of my post in bold back up there, and quit flogging that poor horse...it's dead)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 02:05 PM

Obtuse?
Thy name is Bruce.

Hey...It rhymes.....whaddaya' think? Kinda' short and the meter could be better but I've read worse.....and it IS factual!!!


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 02:42 PM

Hey...you could change your name to "Sitsaroundverse"

and 100

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 03:16 PM

Hmmmm.....Good thought Bill......Maybe "LayaboutVerse" to tie in with Lane,Fielding,Patterson,& Swan--Layabouts-At-Large..........or maybe "FartsaboutVerse" so the whole joint would know its me...........

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 03:37 PM

It's not enough to read and listen, Bruce. It's what you read and what you listen to.

Fix yourself a cup of coffee (caffeinated, to promote alertness), clean your glasses if any, and READ:

THE NEW BLACK PANTHER CASE WAS DROPPED BY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION

One can find any number of right-wing bloggers spittle-spraying over this non-issue, and reporting it without knowing the facts. That's not news. Most of these blogs rant about issues that have no basis in fact, and when facts are produced, they delete them and call them B.S., because for right wingers, the truth itself is B.S!

If you're getting your information from right wing blogs or FOX News, you're not getting the facts.

Here's what ACTUALLY happened in the Black Panther "intimidation" case:

Bush DOJ decided New Black Panthers no major case.

5:12 pm July 12, 2010, by Cynthia Tucker

[Cynthia Tucker (born 1955 in Monroeville, Alabama) is a syndicated columnist. She was recognized with a Pulitzer Prize for Commentary in 2007 "for her courageous, clear-headed columns that evince a strong sense of morality and persuasive knowledge of the community." She was a Pulitzer-nominated finalist in 2004 and 2006.]

Several of you have clamored for me to say something about the alleged voter intimidation case in Philadelphia, which involves a thuggish group who call themselves the "New Black Panthers." (While I was no fan of the original Black Panthers, they don't deserve to have their reputation further befouled by this group. The two groups are in no way related.)

I was loathe to comment since I know that no rational discussion will follow. How could it? It was clear from the beginning that this was not a case of voter intimidation against anyone who might vote for John McCain. As many observers noted on that day, no matter how badly those two New Black Panters were behaving (and the police were called and responded), it's a HEAVILY DEMOCRATIC PRECINCT. As blogger Ben Smith noted way back then, "You don't typically intimidate your own voters."

But solid reporting from Media Matters and Adam Serwer of The American Prospect ought to put this nonsense to rest (it won't, but it should). The charges against the New Black Panthers were downgraded by the Bush Department of Justice:

The decision not to file a criminal case occurred before Obama was even in office.

This means that the case was downgraded to a civil case 11 days before Obama was inaugurated, 26 days before Eric Holder became attorney general, and about nine months before Thomas Perez was confirmed as head of the Civil Rights Division."

Do we need to repeat this? Let me say this really, really slowly so that the hysterical bloggers on the right who spread slander and lies about Mr. Obama on this issue can understand:

"...the case was downgraded to a civil case 11 days before Obama was inaugurated, 26 days before Eric Holder became attorney general, and about nine months before Thomas Perez was confirmed as head of the Civil Rights Division.

Bruce, just keep reading those idiotic right wing blogs and listening to Fox News and you will continue to keep yourself uninformed.

More:

# J, Christian Adams has admitted that he does not have first-hand knowledge of the events, conversations, and decisions that he is citing to advance his accusations;

# The Bush administration's Justice Department — not the Obama administration — made the decision not to pursue criminal charges against members of the New Black Panther Party for alleged voter intimidation at a polling center in Philadelphia in 2008;

# The Obama administration successfully obtained default judgment against Samir Shabazz, a member of the New Black Panther Party carrying a nightstick outside the Philadelphia polling center on Election Day 2008;

# The Bush administration DOJ chose not to pursue similar charges against members of the Minutemen, one of whom allegedly carried a weapon while harassing Hispanic voters in Arizona in 2006;

# No voters have come forward to claim that they were intimidated from voting on account of the New Black Panthers standing outside the polling center in 2008.

So — no matter how many times J. Christian Adams declares that the Obama administration refuses to protect the rights of white people — and no matter how many times Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh repeat it — it's simply not true."

Okay, Bruce. Have a nice day!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 04:06 PM

Don,

The DOJ had won the CIVIL CASE against the three defendents- THEN the OBAMA appointees determined that the ALREADY WON judgement should not be pursued in two cases, and reduced in the last.


What part of this do you have a problem understanding? I understand the difference between civil and crimiinal- do you?

The civil case is what was dropped by the Obama DOJ- any talk about the criminal case ( which was not brought ) is a RED HERRING and ATTEMPTS to ignore the facts of the case.

I can't expect you to respect the facts, but at least stop saying that "if x then wigits" makes sense.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 04:59 PM

Dear jesus- there are none so blind as those who have not brains.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Riginslinger
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 05:04 PM

Do you walk with a white cane, Greg?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 06:31 PM

. . . like trying to argue with a Flat-Earther. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 07:58 PM

It reminds me of an old line:

"I may not always be right, but I'm never wrong!"

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 08:16 PM

The real race card I'd like to see Obam play is the one where he puiblicly challenges the leaders of the Tea Party and is mother company The Republican Party to repudiate racism within their ranks...

The rest of this is bullshit...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 11:07 PM

Actually, racism is bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 11:48 PM

actually?

I shouldn't be surprised at who would make such a totally dense, meaningless demonstration OF BS-ness.
Ol' Riggo can say almost nothing, in fewer words, and still manage to sound offensive without even being clear what he is talking about. That takes talent...I guess.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jul 10 - 01:08 AM

Yep! Let's keep those brown skinned people in their own country and out of ours, so they won't keep taking away our jobs.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 17 Jul 10 - 08:17 AM

Jobs?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 03:29 PM

New testimony-

Coates' Direct Eyewitness Testimony to Shine Light on DOJ
September 23, 2010 | Hans A. von Spakovsky

Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2010 1:22:28 PM by jazusamo


The news that Christopher Coates, former chief of the Justice Department's Voting Section, is set to testify Friday before the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights is crucial to the panel's investigation of allegations that the Obama administration has not enforced the nation's civil rights laws in a race-neutral manner.

The testimony by Coates, a career government lawyer, is expected to shed light on whether DOJ:

• Discriminated against white voters in dismissing the voter-intimidation case against two members of the New Black Panther Party and the party itself that arose from incidents at a Philadelphia polling place on Election Day 2008.

• Had a general policy or practice in its Civil Rights Division of not enforcing voting laws when the subjects of complaints were racial minorities.

• Had a racially motivated policy of not enforcing Section 8 of the National Voting Rights Act, which requires states to remove ineligible voters from the voter rolls.

When Thomas Perez, the assistant attorney general who heads the Civil Rights Division, testified under oath before the independent Commission on Civil Rights in May, the Obama appointee repeatedly denied a racially motivated policy was in place. Perez also testified that he would investigate any statement to the contrary by anyone in his division.

However, Perez has refused to address the truth of subsequent sworn allegations alleging that Julie Fernandes, his deputy assistant attorney general in charge of voting issues, ordered and implemented such a race-based policy. In fact, Perez has publicly embraced her leadership.

In July, J. Christian Adams, a former career lawyer, testified under oath about Fernandes' statements. Some veteran DOJ watchers say the absence of any Section 8 enforcement activity by the Civil Rights Division more than 20 months into the Obama administration, despite evidence of non-compliance by states throughout the country, lends credence to Adams's charges.

Testimony by Coates that the Civil Rights Division under Perez purposely did not pursue full, equal, and race-neutral enforcement of federal voting laws could — and rightfully should — cause huge problems for this or any administration.

Adams testified on these matters after resigning from the Justice Department. He said Coates could confirm his testimony and specific accusations that Fernandes did not equally or fairly enforce voting rights laws.

The news that Coates indeed will testify follows revelations earlier this week by Judicial Watch. A privilege log obtained by Judicial Watch in a lawsuit against the Justice Department under the Freedom of Information Act shows that political appointees at Justice were much more involved in the decision to dismiss the Black Panthers case than they repeatedly claimed.

The log directly contradicts Perez's sworn testimony and DOJ's statements to the public as well as members of Congress.

Coates is in a position to confirm key facts in that narrative. One of the most experienced voting rights lawyers in the country, he was a staff attorney for many years for the Voting Rights Project of the American Civil Liberties Union. Coates received the Thurgood Marshall Decade Award in 1991 from the Georgia NAACP, as well as the Environmental Justice Award in 1994 from the Georgia Environmental Organization.

The Clinton administration hired Coates as a career lawyer in 1996. He was promoted at the Justice Department under both Clinton and George W. Bush. In 2007, he received the Civil Rights Division's second-highest award, the Walter Barnett Memorial Award for Excellence and Advocacy.

Considering this background, it is difficult to imagine Coates not having the respect of anyone devoted to voting rights.

Yet after Coates was relieved of his post as chief of the Voting Section in January and transferred to Charleston, SC, on a detail to the U.S. Attorney's Office, he gave a remarkable speech at his farewell party. He spoke extensively about criticism he had received both inside and outside the Civil Rights Division for pursuing the case against the New Black Panther Party in Philadelphia, as well as a case several years earlier in Noxubee County, Miss., in which black county officials were found guilty of a long pattern of race-based discrimination.

Coates noted his amazement that he had spent his entire career filing voting rights lawsuits on behalf of minority voters, and yet was ostracized for filing two cases involving discrimination against non-traditional defendants. (In fact, the Noxubee case was the first-ever Justice Department action charging a black defendant with blatantly discriminating against white voters, in violation of Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act.)

In his farewell speech, Coates made it clear that he believes the Voting Rights Act protects all voters — and that, as a government lawyer, he couldn't ignore violations of the law merely because the wrongdoers happened to be members of a minority group. Coates emphasized that race-neutral enforcement of the Voting Rights Act is essential to ensuring that America lives up to its creed of equal protection under the law. Selective enforcement of the law on the basis of race is not fair and does not achieve justice.

Admirers of Coates say this deep commitment to equal enforcement of the law rendered him unsuitable for a supervisory role in the eyes of some racially motivated or extreme left-wing partisans in the Obama administration — especially leaders in the Civil Rights Division.

Coates' imminent testimony before the Civil Rights Commission no doubt will be extraordinary.

The DOJ smear machine urged the left to demonize Adams as a "disgruntled" employee (despite his promotion weeks before his resignation) and to dismiss his testimony as uncorroborated (despite several sworn affidavits in his support). How will the smear machine react to Coates' direct eyewitness testimony?

On a personal note: I have known Chris Coates since working with him when I was a career lawyer in the Civil Right Division. He is one of the most experienced, professional, and ethical lawyers I have had the honor of working with. His offer to testify in compliance with the commission's subpoena, despite the unlawful efforts of the Justice Department to prevent his testimony, is one more example of his character.

Coates is risking his job and career at the Justice Department to do the right thing, which is itself a terrible injustice. We only can hope that his superiors at DOJ will realize that whistleblower laws exist to protect patriots such as Chris Coates. Let's also hope that other career lawyers will realize it isn't worth risking their reputation to follow illegal or unethical orders.

Hans A. von Spakovsky is a former career lawyer in the Civil Rights Division at the Justice Department.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 04:01 PM

are you incapable of providing links or using quotation marks or summarizing...as you have been asked to do many times? Or even commenting?

Copy & Paste propaganda from conservative sites hardly proves anything.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 05:02 PM

BillD,

"Copy & Paste propaganda from conservative sites hardly proves anything. "

WHEN you make the same comment about Amos's liberal propaganda, THEN you have a reason to ask me for clickies.

The fact that you ONLY complain about conservative posts that do not have clickies demonstrates that YOUR concern is ONLY to stifle viewpoints that you do not agree with.


Copy & Paste propaganda from LIBERAL sites has the SAME level of value- YET YOU MAKE NO COMMENT!


One stet of rules for those YOU agree with, another for those YOU disagree with.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 05:11 PM

SUMMARY:

Coates, a long time civil rights lawyer at DOJ, former ACLU major player, goes on stand against orders of Obama's DOJ, claiming whistle blower's protection. He states that the DOJ, under THIS and PREVIOUS administrations ( back to at least Clinton), has been deciding what voting cases to pursue based on the race of the victim- IF the victim was white, the case was put aside.

Cofirmed the PREVIOUS testimony of Adams, UNDER OATH. And the DOJ tried to stop his testimony.

( from watching the procedings)




OK, BillD? are you happy? Shall I rub your nose in the fact that the present administration has people in the DOJ that make decisions as to whether the law applies BY THE RACE OF THE VICTIM?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 05:23 PM

And before you attack the messanger ( as many here seem wont to do)



from a previous testimony to the same commission.
"U.S. COMMISSION ON CIVIL RIGHTS

FRIDAY, JUNE 6, 2008

Christopher Coates, as I just said is chief of the Voting Rights Section, Civil Rights Division. This section is responsible for the enforcement of statutory provisions designed to safeguard the right to vote of citizens including racial and language minorities, disabled and illiterate persons, overseas citizens, and military personnel.
Mr. Coates first went to the Voting Section in 1996 as a trial attorney. He was named Acting Chief of the Voting Section in December 2007, and subsequently attained the position of Section Chief. While at the Department he has participated in a number of high profile voting rights cases and is the recipient of the Civil Rights Division 2007 Walter Barnett Memorial Award for excellency in advocacy."

http://www.usccr.gov/calendar/trnscrpt/060608ccr1.pdf



more on the testimony...



"The Bush Justice Department first brought the case against three members of the Black Panther group, accusing them in a civil complaint of violating the Voting Rights Act. The Obama administration initially pursued the case and at one point won a default judgment, but the administration last year moved to dismiss the charges after getting one of the New Black Panther members to agree not to carry a "deadly weapon" near a polling place until 2012.

Coates rejected as weak the department's rationale for abandoning the case, saying the department let one of the Black Panther members off the hook because a local police officer had determined he was a Democratic Party poll watcher. Coates called it "extraordinarily strange" for the department to rely on this and urged the commission to consider what the legal backlash would have been if the Panthers had been members of the Ku Klux Klan.

"To understand the rationale of these articulated reasons for gutting this case ... one only has to state the facts in the racial reverse," he said. Coates said that with the United States becoming increasingly diverse, it is "absolutely essential" that the law be enforced equally.

"As important as the mandate in the Voting Rights Act is to protect minority voters, white voters also have an interest in being able to go to the polls without having race-haters such as Black Panther King Samir Shabazz, whose public rhetoric includes such statements as 'kill cracker babies' ... standing at the entrance of the polling place with a billy club in his hand hurling racial slurs at voters," he said.

"Given this outrageous conduct, it was a travesty of justice for the Department of Justice not to allow attorneys in the voting section to obtain nationwide injunctive relief against" the defendants, he said.

Since last year, Coates has been transferred to the U.S. attorney's office in South Carolina. He said Friday that the Justice Department told him not to testify before the commission after he was first subpoenaed in December 2009; in testifying Friday, he claimed protection from retaliation under "whistleblower" laws.
"

From news report... waiting on uscrc posting of the hearing to be able to post other quotes.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 05:40 PM

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/247747/coates-testifies-civil-rights-commission-daniel-foster?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_me

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: GUEST,Bill D
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 06:10 PM

"....the present administration has people in the DOJ that make decisions as to whether the law applies BY THE RACE OF THE VICTIM?"

**IF** there is such, they should be censured or removed. I do NOT belive, just from these assertions, that this has been demonstrated.

"Copy & Paste propaganda from LIBERAL sites has the SAME level of value- YET YOU MAKE NO COMMENT!"

"One stet of rules for those YOU agree with, another for those YOU disagree with."

Piffle! That is not how I think or operate.

You have missed it. I have done so. I do not have the references at hand. Wrong is wrong, whether I catch every transgression or not. Set a good example and embarrass the opposition.

also..from your own link...

"Justice department officials, however, have vigorously defended their management of the Panthers' case, in which two members of the small group allegedly attempted to intimidate voters at a Philadelphia polling place during the 2008 general election. Justice spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler in a statement Friday derided the Civil Rights Commission for its "so-called investigation" that is "thin on facts and evidence and thick on rhetoric."

"The Department makes enforcement decisions based on the merits, not the race, gender or ethnicity of any party involved," Schmaler said. "We are committed to comprehensive and vigorous enforcement of the federal laws that prohibit voter intimidation."

then...

"But activists on the right have complained that Holder and the White House did not vigorously pursue the case because the victims were white – a claim that has now become a widespread talking point among Obama's conservative critics"

and that is the real point: conservatives are using ANY 'talking points', whether substantial or conflated nonsense, to pile more accusations on the current administration.... a technique they learned well from a former expert

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 06:19 PM

I haven't even clicked on yer link, Bill, 'cause I'm about 99% sure it is the "Big Fat Liar" hisself, Karl Rove... Now there is a piece of work... It's no wonder that the nation is so polorized now... 8 years of that creep and it's no wonder...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 06:24 PM

*grin*...an intuitive ol' hillbilly, you are...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 06:29 PM

So, BillD. I can now use the mere fact that a source presented here is LIBERAL to state that it has no merit and should be ignored.

Thank you. I will be sure to present YOUR logic when I discuss anything here.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 06:50 PM

BTW, since you take the word of the DOJ over the whislte blower, I guess you will support all my arguments that the Bush administration was correct in their actions, SINCE THEY SAID THEY WERE.


Of course, if what you mean is that you will believe ONLY whatever a liberal administration says, without supporting information, I will keep THAT in mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 06:54 PM

" are using ANY 'talking points', whether substantial or conflated nonsense, to pile more accusations on the current administration.... "


And you claim the Left is ANY different????????

Go back and look at the criticism of the Bush administration.

But I forget, you have a different set of standards for those you agree with...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 07:22 PM

"...I can now use the mere fact that a source presented here is LIBERAL to state that it has no merit and should be ignored."

No, the most you can say is that 'it does not automatically have merit', which is all I say about conservative points...though I think many of them can BE shown to have little merit, when analyzed.
You may continue ignoring good sense, as is your wont.


"BTW, since you take the word of the DOJ over the whislte blower.."

That's not what I said. You are the acknowledged master in 'interpreting' an opponent's remark and spinning it to the right.

"And you claim the Left is ANY different?" Yes...most of them.

"But I forget, you have a different set of standards for those you agree with..."

And you forget what I said: I do NOT.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 07:29 PM

"And you claim the Left is ANY different?" Yes...most of them.

"But I forget, you have a different set of standards for those you agree with..."

And you forget what I said: I do NOT.



Really? The statements you have posted do not lead me to think that your denial is true.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 07:33 PM

hmmm... you need to re-read and study. Why? Because, as I said, you tend to take my remarks and re-post them as a "So YOU say we should...blah, blah.." form.
If you read my posts as written and do not rephrase them as a conservative straw man, we wouldn't need to go thru this.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 07:58 PM

And IF you applied the same standards to the liberal posts, instead of telling me, when I state:
"And you claim the Left is ANY different?"

"Yes...most of them."

Well,MOST of the conservatives are different, as well- probaly the same percentage- BUT YOU KEEP setting a DIFFERENT standard for those YOU agree with- REGARDLESS of any unsupported claims to the contrary.

I have to judge you by your posts, NOT by your claims.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: DougR
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 09:28 PM

That sounds remarkably like racial profiling, doesn't it?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Sep 10 - 09:20 AM

Not to anyone with a brain, Douggie.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Sep 10 - 11:45 PM

If this had happened during the Bush years, the left would be screaming bloody murder.

Look, lefties, shit happens during both party's administrations. Just because this one happened during your heyday, let's not add insult to injury. Let's not be defending 'stupid' on top of everything else that has happened, nor don't stop up your ears to shut the truth out! Let the chips fall where they may. If there were 'indiscretions' by one of your own, get rid of them, and try to have an 'honest' administration (choke, gag, choke)...well, at least have the appearance of one... I mean isn't that what they are trying to appear like, by covering it up??? Why not go for the 'REAL THING'??

I've seen the footage, as most of you...those punks should have, at least got a spanking.

Don't you think???

I personally think that any crooked stuff going on in, in any department, ESPECIALLY, the Department of 'Justice(?)' Should be uncovered, and the 'perpetrators' prosecuted to the FULLEST extent of (what remains) of the law!!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Sep 10 - 12:03 PM

This thread is now 131 posts long.... go back & read MY post many weeks ago.

clickity-click

Making the same tired accusations from a different angle and adding in one of those patented "If this had happened during the Bush years, the left would be screaming bloody murder." fake bits of logic, pioneered by beardedbruce, changes nothing. **THIS** would not have happened during the Bush years, because there were plenty of other issues to complain about. You can't compare an imaginary issues with a real one.

This is a non-issue, being touted AS an issue by the same people who managed to make ACORN into an issue by banging drums until they hounded the organization out of existance on trumped up fake evidence.