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Peter Bellamy on MySpace?

Phil Edwards 09 Jul 10 - 02:58 PM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 09 Jul 10 - 03:24 PM
Richard Bridge 09 Jul 10 - 04:40 PM
Artful Codger 09 Jul 10 - 06:17 PM
brezhnev 10 Jul 10 - 07:08 AM
Les in Chorlton 10 Jul 10 - 08:37 AM
Artful Codger 10 Jul 10 - 04:44 PM
Phil Edwards 11 Jul 10 - 07:58 AM
GUEST,Suibhne Astray 11 Jul 10 - 08:04 AM
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Subject: Peter Bellamy on MySpace?
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 02:58 PM

I've just uploaded Bellamy's song Poor Fellows to my MySpace (on which more here), and there's a terrific version of Sir Richard's Song
here . Any more?


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Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy on MySpace?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 03:24 PM

Don't know about MySpace, but Sedayne does a potent Harp Song of the Dane Women (Rudyard Kipling poem set to music by Bellamy) on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KadKUACj_4c

WHAT is a woman that you forsake her,
And the hearth-fire and the home-acre.
To go with the old grey Widow-maker?

She has no house to lay a guest in
But one chill bed for all to rest in,
That the pale suns and the stray bergs nest in.

She has no strong white arms to fold you,
But the ten-times-fingering weed to hold you
Out on the rocks where the tide has rolled you.

Yet, when the signs of summer thicken,
And the ice breaks, and the birch-buds quicken,
Yearly you turn from our side, and sicken- -

Sicken again for the shouts and the slaughters.
You steal away to the lapping waters,
And look at your ship in her winter-quarters.

You forget our mirth, and talk at the tables,
The kine in the shed and the horse in the stables
To pitch her sides and go over her cables.

Then you drive out where the storm-clouds swallow,
And the sound of your oar-blades, falling hollow,
Is all we have left through the months to follow.

Ah, what is Woman that you forsake her,
And the hearth-fire and the home-acre,
To go with the old grey Widow-maker?


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Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy on MySpace?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 04:40 PM

While Bellamy was magnificent as part of the Young Tradition, I would prefer him not to Kipple. It all gets a bit too nationalistic.


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Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy on MySpace?
From: Artful Codger
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 06:17 PM

To each his own. I happen to find Bellamy's settings brilliant overall, and they certainly helped me get past the "nationalistic" stigma that hangs over Kipling to discover the many other delightful poems of his--and the side of Kipling that was critical of blind nationalism.


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Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy on MySpace?
From: brezhnev
Date: 10 Jul 10 - 07:08 AM

George Orwell said that before you could speak about Kipling you had to clear away a legend that had been created by two sets of people who hadn't read his works.

"Kipling is in the peculiar position of having been a byword for fifty years," he said in 1942. "During five literary generations every enlightened person has despised him, and at the end of that time nine-tenths of those enlightened persons are forgotten and Kipling is in some sense still there."

Thirty years after Orwell's essay, Bellamy came up against the current generation of enlightened despisers of Kipling – with what he called their "third-hand opinion on something they'd never read at all". Forty years after Bellamy, they're forgotten and he isn't. And Kipling is still here.


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Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy on MySpace?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 10 Jul 10 - 08:37 AM

The best way to judge Kippling / Bellamy is poem by poem, song by song. Do you want to sing this one or that one. I have enyoyed singing Oak, ash and thorn and wish I could get to grips with Tommy -hell of a song

L in C


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Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy on MySpace?
From: Artful Codger
Date: 10 Jul 10 - 04:44 PM

Bellamy had an especial knack for putting good words to good tunes--and lawd knows the folk repertoire could use a heap more good tunes.

But rather than debating the relative merits of Kipling and/or Bellamy, which have been hashed out before, can we return to the topic? Other instances of Bellamy on MySpace or similar venues?


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Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy on MySpace?
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 11 Jul 10 - 07:58 AM

Thread tie-in: Jon Boden sings Bellamy (Danny Deever).


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Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy on MySpace?
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 11 Jul 10 - 08:04 AM

Kipling & Bellamy remain controversial figures in the folk world and beyond, though just how far beyond the folk world Peter Bellamy's genius permeates I couldn't say. What I can say is that his untimely passing denied us the National Treasure status I dare say he would have been enjoying round about now thanks to a new generation of singers who weren't in evidence back at the Durham Folk Party in 1991 when half the audience walked out when PB took the stage and I took to my heels to press-gang the traddies from the sessions and singarounds to fill the empty seats. His last ever gig too; I have the first few songs on a tape if anyone's interested - to be sure he played an absolute blinder, but then again he always did.   

I cover Bellamy from time to time, though like any true Bellamist I'd much rather listen to him. My favourite of his Kipling settings (certainly to sing anyway) is Ford o' Kabul River, and that grand old mawkish paean to fuedalism The Land which is often mistaken for a pamphlet for a peasants' revolt! The humanism of Kipling is never far away, Bellamy likewise, as evidenced by the sentiments of A Pilgrim's Way which I invariably sing around New Year by way of a resolution.

Just back from a jaunt to North Norfolk, didn't see any Peter Bellamy Country signs around Wells-Next-The-Sea and my dream of a dairy-orientated deli called Butter and Cheese and All has yet to come true, which is what comes of watching our weight I suppose.

And my favourite of all which wasn't available on CD when I put this wee clip together:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhQMsONIwng

Odd how the very reactionary sentiments espoused by Kipling and PB rest at the heart and soul of the Folk Revival - the comforts of the past, the continuities of tradition in terms of a national cultural heritage however so revived - and yet many folkies find them so repellent.


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