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Subject: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 06:17 AM

hi

I occasionally use Spanish in my correspondence.

On my desktop computer using XP I use the normal keyboard with ALTKEY Codes to get the special Spanish accented characters using the right hand numeric pad. So for inatance if I want to type an accented "e" I type ALT0233 etc.

My desktop is down at the moment so I tried to write to my sister in Spain and find that using the ALTKEY Codes does not work on may laptop using Vista.

Can anyone help me here on how I can achieve this??

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: Tyke
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 06:35 AM

Sounds like a problem with the left hand Fo Fo Valve! Try turning the Screen away from you and typing backwards. If that won't work find your nearest PC World once their ask for a Dutch Cap for a Spanish Key Board they should have juan.


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 06:44 AM

I've never tried it, so no idea if it works, but I found this:

The following are suggestions for users with laptop computers:

Type as you normally would using your laptop computer. When you need to add a Spanish accent,

hold down your Shift key and press the NumLock key.
You should still be able to type normally on the keyboard.
Add the accent by holding down the Alt key and Fn (function) key and then use the secondary numeric keypad located in the center of your keyboard to type the numeric sequence code.
Once you are finished typing accents, you can toggle back to the regular keyboard configuration by pressing and holding down the Shift and pressing the NubLock.
Now you can resume typing.
Below are the numerical codes that correspond to the accented characters.
Alt + 0225 á
Alt + 0233 é
Alt + 0237 í
Alt + 0241 ñ
Alt + 0243 ó
Alt + 0250 ú
Alt + 0252 ü
Alt + 0191 ¿
Alt + 0161 ¡
Alt + 0193 Á
Alt + 0201 É
Alt + 0205 Í
Alt + 0209 Ñ
Alt + 0211 Ó
Alt + 0218 Ú
Alt + 0220 Ü
Note: On some laptops you may need to use the secondary numeric keypad that is located in the center of the keyboard when you type in the accent codes.


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: Boho
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 08:35 AM

I think there's a more intuitive way of doing it using the Ctrl key. Eg, if you type Ctrl + tilde then n, supposedly you should get an n with a tilde on top.

described here under Method 1


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 10:34 AM

hi Bozo and Guest Ed.

Thanks for your help. Unfortunately none of these worked for me using the ALTKEY Code or the other suggestins listed.

I was able to fudge it so that I can get accented characters using INSERT in my word processing prog.but am not able to get exclamation marks,question marks etc.

I don't know whether this affects anything but I use Microsoft Works Word.

cheers and thanks

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 10:40 AM

Mike
Have you tried plugging a normal keyboard in and trying that.

I always used a normal keyboard if using it at home.


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: Newport Boy
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 10:47 AM

A lot of laptop keyboards have a numeric keypad embedded in the keyboard, in the JKL region. This is usually accessed by holding the Fn key.

If you have this, hold Fn, then use ALT-0233 on the embedded number keys as usual. The ALT trick doesn't work with the normal number keys.

Phil


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 11:39 AM

I use AllChars to semi-automate the process. It allows you to use two key combinations to enter many characters. éóá ¼ °


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 02:36 PM

1. You may need to choose a font that contains the special characters you want. With most recent laptops and operating systems, the fonts commonly loaded by default are "enhanced Unicode" character sets that will have common ones, but the user of the other laptop may have set an older "ANSI only" default. Some OS include the ability to search for an alternate font that contains the char you code, but older ones may only be able to use the default.

2. For the Alt-#### method you've been using, the numbers generally must be typed on the Number Pad. The method is normally called the Alt-NumPad method. Lots of laptops don't have a separate NumPad but use an "embedded" one in which a set of keys within the alpha keyboard can be used as a NumPad. You may have "turn on" the NumPad each time you need a special character (and turn it off to continue). The quick keys needed to toggle the NumPad function on/off vary from one laptop to another. As commented by Newport Boy, the Fn key may be all that's needed, as this is a common (not quite universal) toggle for NumPad on laptops.

3. All Windows versions include a "Character Map" that you should be able to find at Start|Programs|Accessories{System Tools. You can Select the chars you want, Copy them, and paste in a document from which you can copy them one at a time to where you want them. In some versions, when you "click" on a char, the ANSI (decimal)or Unicode (Hex) code will be shown on the lower bar, so you may be able to use this method to find codes you want (see number 5. below).

4. If you use Word, there are a number of "shortcuts," mostly as described by Boho just above. Most consist of pressing Ctl while typing the "accent" and then the character to be accented. Word "autoreplaces" with the accented character when you hit the next key. Some of these shortcuts may work in a few other programs, but they're not necessarily "universal."

5. In most versions of Word still in use, if you type the hex code for a Unicode character, and immediately hit Alt-X, the character appears. The Alt-X is a toggle, so if you put the cursor immediately to the right of a character and hit Alt-X it will show you the hex code you'd need to type to get that char with this method, or you can "read the code" from CharMap for most of them as described above at number 3.

Using "|" to show the cursor position, typing 00C6| and Alt-X should give you Æ. Putting your cursor to show Æ| and hitting Alt-X should show you 00C6. So far as I know, this only works in WORD, but it may have been picked up in some other programs.

6. It may help to "load" a language that uses the chars you want. Recent Windows versions can have multiple languages loaded (at startup) with any one of them selected as the default. With the methods above, you shouldn't have to do this, but it's an available thing that sometimes enhances other features.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 09:54 PM

You should be able to plug the keyboard from your desktop computer into the laptop. Vista will recognize it via PnP, and you don't need to turn off the laptop keyboard in order to use it. If it's a serial keyboard, you may discover that many laptops don't have a serial port; but you might get lucky.

Note that on the "real keyboard" the Alt-NumPad method of entering character ANSI codes doesn't work until you turn on NumLock. The NumPad on real keyboards is an "Arrow Pad" with NumLock off.

My laptop doesn't have a NumLock key (that I can find) but the Fn key automatically switches the "embedded numpad" on with NumLock "always on." Note that the Fn key must be held down continuously to use the NumPad continuously – at least on my laptop.

Since there's no display of the keys pressed with Fn-Alt pressed, I found it somewhat difficult entering Fn-Alt-NumPad characters correctly without more practice than I'm willing to do; but the method does work for me.

I did IMMEDIATELY notice that Alt-Fn-#### doesn't work on my laptop.

I MUST press and hold Fn and then press and hold Alt, and both of those must be held down until the numbers are all entered. If I press Alt first, and then Fn, I get nothing, even if I hold them both down while entering the numbers. It might be worth checking whether the laptop you're using accepts "either order of entry" or just to make sure that it still doesn't work when you do them strictly in order.

For some older Windows versions, "leading zeros" were ignored by the Alt-NumPad method, but that's not quite true for Vista. If I type Alt-128 I get a different character (Ç = hex 00C7) than if I type Alt-0128 (€ = hex 20AC). (Microsoft has "mapped" ANSI 128 to the € euro on US keyboards, but may have done something different elsewhere for keyboards with a key for the €.) It's probably safest to always use "four digits" for Alt-NumPad entry now. There are a few other "shortcuts" implemented, rarely well documented.

IFF your wimp-Word does the hex code Alt-x thing, that's probably the easiest method if Alt-NumPad really doesn't' work. If you have a Word document with the chars you want in it, placing the cursor immediately to the right of a char and hitting Alt-x should show you the hex number for that char. If you type that number elsewhere and immediately (without spacing etc) hit Alt-x, you should get the character.

Early Works Word were little better than DOS COPY CON >, but what came with Vista Home Basic was reportedly very much like a recent obsolete version of "real Word." I just can't remember which Word version they claimed it emulated. Try an Alt-x with your cursor anywhere in a Word document. If anything changes, it probably works. Even a blank space is hex 0020.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: MikeL2
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 10:50 AM

Hi John,

Many thanks for your very comprehensive replies.

I haven't had chance to try them all out yet but the ones I have I can't get to work.

On my laptop ( a Sony Vaio ) the fn key does not appear to have any use as far as I can tell. I know that on some keyboards this does bring in the Numeric Pad using keys M<J<K<L<U>I>O etc. but it has no effect on this keyboard.

I am going to try to bring up the Spanish Language settings as an alternative and just toggle in and out as this seems to be about the best (only) solution I can see that might work.

I will let you know how I go on.

Many thanks as usual for your great help.

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: MikeL2
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 10:55 AM

Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: Arthur_itus - PM
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 10:40 AM

"Mike
Have you tried plugging a normal keyboard in and trying that.

I always used a normal keyboard if using it at home."

hi arthur

I have only one keyboard which is a PS2 connection and I need a USB to PS2 converter ?? to try to connect it to my laptop.

If I can't get other suggested solutions to work I will try to get a converter and give it a go.

Many thanks for your suggestion.

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: MikeL2
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 10:57 AM

Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: Newport Boy - PM
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 10:47 AM

"A lot of laptop keyboards have a numeric keypad embedded in the keyboard, in the JKL region. This is usually accessed by holding the Fn key.

If you have this, hold Fn, then use ALT-0233 on the embedded number keys as usual. The ALT trick doesn't work with the normal number keys.

Phil "

Hi Phil

I have tried this and as I have said in my earlier reply to John, it doesn't work on my laptop.

Thanks for the suggestion

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: MikeL2
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 11:01 AM

Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: Bill D - PM
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 11:39 AM

"I use AllChars to semi-automate the process. It allows you to use two key combinations to enter many characters. éóá ¼ °"

Hi Bill

Many thanks for this. I have had a look at it and as a computer "illiterate" it looks a little complicated to me.

I will take out some time to try to fathom it out as it does seem to be something that should suit what I want it to do.

Cheers

Mikel2


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: MikeL2
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 11:05 AM

Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: Tyke - PM
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 06:35 AM

"Sounds like a problem with the left hand Fo Fo Valve! Try turning the Screen away from you and typing backwards. If that won't work find your nearest PC World once their ask for a Dutch Cap for a Spanish Key Board they should have juan."

I tried PC World and they don't stock Dutch Caps. The suggested that I should buy their special mint-flavoured condom as a f.....g great replacement.

Cheers

MikeL2

PS they didn't explain how I should use the condom.....any suggestions ???


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 11:24 AM

Since Spanish is most of what you want to manage, there are only a few things you would 'need' to learn.

If the program is open, you just press the 'ctrl' key, then the ' followed by the e for é. It is almost intuitive for the rest of the characters. If you right-click on the icon in the bar, you can choose 'help', and see the list of characters for different categories... then, selecting 'Char table' at the bottom shows the 2 key combination for any selected character..as in.... ctrl + ~ + n gives ñ.
(you do have to precede each special character with 'ctrl'.)
(there is even a 'configuration' menu which allows changing 'ctrl' to 'shift' or 'escape' keys...but I never bothered.)

I hope this helps, and that you find a comfortable way to do what you need.


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 12:41 AM

This may be a long post since I'm too lazy to build a fancy table. (For some of the characters below, you may also want to view in a larger than usual font size.)

The Alt-NumPad method of entering characters is "officially" limited to numbers between zero and 255. Some larger numbers work sometimes, but it's best to use Hex numbers, and the official Unicode character codes (which are in Hex in the Unicode tables). Several of the low numbers have no visible glyph associated, so there are some blanks.

For html posts, you can code a character by its DECIMAL number:

     &#nnnn;

where the & announces the start of a code, the # says that the instruction is a number, the nnnn is the number, and the final ";" says that the code is done.

You can use the hex number in the same way, simply by adding an "x" to the code:

     &#xnnnn;

where again the & announces the start of a code, the # says that the instruction is a number, the x says the number is in hexadecimal, nnnn is the hexadecimal number and the ";" closes the code.

In Word, you can type the hexadecimal number, and before spacing hit Alt-X and the character will (or should) magically appear.

For DECIMAL numbers 0001 through 0256, corresponding to HEXADECIMAL numbers from 0001 through 00FF:

DECIMAL  HEX       Glyph   DECIMAL  HEX      Glyph
0001     0001             0129     0081        
0002     0002             0130     0082        ‚
0003     0003             0131     0083        ƒ
0004     0004             0132     0084        „
0005     0005             0133     0085        …
0006     0006             0134     0086        †
0007     0007             0135     0087        ‡
0008     0008             0136     0088        ˆ
0009     0009              0137     0089        ‰
0010     000A              0138     008A        Š
0011     000B              0139     008B        ‹
0012     000C              0140     008C        Œ
0013     000D              0141     008D        
0014     000E             0142     008E        Ž
0015     000F             0143     008F        
0016     0010             0144     0090        
0017     0011             0145     0091        ‘
0018     0012             0146     0092        ’
0019     0013             0147     0093        “
0020     0014             0148     0094        ”
0021     0015             0149     0095        •
0022     0016             0150     0096        –
0023     0017             0151     0097        —
0024     0018             0152     0098        ˜
0025     0019             0153     0099        ™
0026     001A             0154     009A        š
0027     001B             0155     009B        ›
0028     001C             0156     009C        œ
0029     001D             0157     009D        
0030     001E             0158     009E        ž
0031     001F             0159     009F        Ÿ
0032     0020              0160     00A0         
0033     0021        !     0161     00A1        ¡
0034     0022        "     0162     00A2        ¢
0035     0023        #     0163     00A3        £
0036     0024        $     0164     00A4        ¤
0037     0025        %     0165     00A5        ¥
0038     0026        &     0166     00A6        ¦
0039     0027        '     0167     00A7        §
0040     0028        (     0168     00A8        ¨
0041     0029        )     0169     00A9        ©
0042     002A        *     0170     00AA        ª
0043     002B        +     0171     00AB        «
0044     002C        ,     0172     00AC        ¬
0045     002D        -     0173     00AD        ­
0046     002E        .     0174     00AE        ®
0047     002F        /     0175     00AF        ¯
0048     0030        0     0176     00B0        °
0049     0031        1     0177     00B1        ±
0050     0032        2     0178     00B2        ²
0051     0033        3     0179     00B3        ³
0052     0034        4     0180     00B4        ´
0053     0035        5     0181     00B5        µ
0054     0036        6     0182     00B6        ¶
0055     0037        7     0183     00B7        ·
0056     0038        8     0184     00B8        ¸
0057     0039        9     0185     00B9        ¹
0058     003A        :     0186     00BA        º
0059     003B        ;     0187     00BB        »
0060     003C        <     0188     00BC        ¼
0061     003D        =     0189     00BD        ½
0062     003E        >     0190     00BE        ¾
0063     003F        ?     0191     00BF        ¿
0064     0040        @     0192     00C0        À
0065     0041        A     0193     00C1        Á
0066     0042        B     0194     00C2        Â
0067     0043        C     0195     00C3        Ã
0068     0044        D     0196     00C4        Ä
0069     0045        E     0197     00C5        Å
0070     0046        F     0198     00C6        Æ
0071     0047        G     0199     00C7        Ç
0072     0048        H     0200     00C8        È
0073     0049        I     0201     00C9        É
0074     004A        J     0202     00CA        Ê
0075     004B        K     0203     00CB        Ë
0076     004C        L     0204     00CC        Ì
0077     004D        M     0205     00CD        Í
0078     004E        N     0206     00CE        Î
0079     004F        O     0207     00CF        Ï
0080     0050        P     0208     00D0        Ð
0081     0051        Q     0209     00D1        Ñ
0082     0052        R     0210     00D2        Ò
0083     0053        S     0211     00D3        Ó
0084     0054        T     0212     00D4        Ô
0085     0055        U     0213     00D5        Õ
0086     0056        V     0214     00D6        Ö
0087     0057        W     0215     00D7        ×
0088     0058        X     0216     00D8        Ø
0089     0059        Y     0217     00D9        Ù
0090     005A        Z     0218     00DA        Ú
0091     005B        [     0219     00DB        Û
0092     005C        \     0220     00DC        Ü
0093     005D        ]     0221     00DD        Ý
0094     005E        ^     0222     00DE        Þ
0095     005F        _     0223     00DF        ß
0096     0060        `     0224     00E0        à
0097     0061        a     0225     00E1        á
0098     0062        b     0226     00E2        â
0099     0063        c     0227     00E3        ã
0100     0064        d     0228     00E4        ä
0101     0065        e     0229     00E5        å
0102     0066        f     0230     00E6        æ
0103     0067        g     0231     00E7        ç
0104     0068        h     0232     00E8        è
0105     0069        i     0233     00E9        é
0106     006A        j     0234     00EA        ê
0107     006B        k     0235     00EB        ë
0108     006C        l     0236     00EC        ì
0109     006D        m     0237     00ED        í
0110     006E        n     0238     00EE        î
0111     006F        o     0239     00EF        ï
0112     0070        p     0240     00F0        ð
0113     0071        q     0241     00F1        ñ
0114     0072        r     0242     00F2        ò
0115     0073        s     0243     00F3        ó
0116     0074        t     0244     00F4        ô
0117     0075        u     0245     00F5        õ
0118     0076        v     0246     00F6        ö
0119     0077        w     0247     00F7        ÷
0120     0078        x     0248     00F8        ø
0121     0079        y     0249     00F9        ù
0122     007A        z     0250     00FA        ú
0123     007B        {     0251     00FB        û
0124     007C        |     0252     00FC        ü
0125     007D        }     0253     00FD        ý
0126     007E        ~     0254     00FE        þ
0127     007F             0255     00FF        ÿ
0128     0080        €     0256     0100        Ā


For Windows, the Alt-NumPad method may give different results for some numbers, because when you select a language a different character map is used by the computer, and/or autoreplace functions may be invoked for your computer. Windows, and computers to use it with, are regionalized by where the computer is purchased so the differences depend on where you are and are NOT THE SAME for computers in different "language areas."

John


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 12:50 AM

Anyone have an idea where a person might be if people are using:

Hex 028C


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 12:54 AM

Accidental post above:

Anyone have a use for:

Hex 028C = ʌ

Hex 028D = ʍ

or Hex 028D = ʎ

¿ ¿ ¿ ¿

John


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 01:16 AM

Should MikeL - or anyone else - find the hex coding handy, it might be of interest to have the "simple Word" on converting decimal numbers to their hex equivalents.

Although it may look complicated, it's really quite simple once you've done it.

In WORD, Ctl-F9 will insert a pair of field braces { } with your cursor between them. (You can't type the {}, you have to use Ctl-F9 or "Insert Field".) Type an "=" followed by a simple equation that gets the decimal number. (e.g. for 251 make it look like {=251}.

type in the "format" \*HEX to look like {=251 \*HEX} and hit F9.

Word should immediately show you that the HEX value of decimal 251 is FB. It's recommended that you add zeros onto the front to make it four characters - 00FB for use in coding.

If you like, Ctl-Shift-F9 will "unlink" the field so that it's an ordinary number and no longer has the magical powers of a field.

The "number format switch" (\*) only works for the results of a field, which is why you create an "equation" field with a result that is the decimal number you want to see in hex form.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: MikeL2
Date: 17 Jul 10 - 09:15 AM

hi guys

Many thanks for all your help, and especially John.

I tried most of your suggestions with mixed results.

In the end I went for John's suggestion to add a Spanish keyboard layout and use that for actually typing in Spanish or I can just toggle to the Spanish layout if I only want to use a few accents etc.

So success ñ ¡ ¿ a´ e´ o´ ¡¡¡¡¡¡

Many thanks

Cheers MikeL2


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 17 Jul 10 - 03:22 PM

The language keyboard layout and swapping languages is actually what Microsoft recommended in their "big book on International Languages;" but the book was too big to recommend, and our copy is still apparently "in a box" afer our move.

Microsoft had a web page where you could look at any of the 120 or so keyboards that are "standard" for different languages and different parts of the world; but it's set up so that you can only look at one at a time and they've made it hard to make notes. My recollection is that when you hover your mouse pointer over the Shift, Alt, etc key the picture changes to show what keys print different chars with a bucky key, so you have to lay the pointer on the key for each variation and use screen capture (Alt-PrtScn) to get a picture you can clip into a document or image editing program.

The last time I posted a link here to the "International Keyboards" page there was talk about the "virtual keyboard" you could flip up on screen, to click individual special characters; but it didn't work well with the OS versions that were common then, and I've never gone back to see if it's better - or even available - with current versions.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Jul 10 - 04:17 PM

I can never remember all those codes, so I go to Character Map and copy the characters I need, and paste them at the bottom of my document. Then I type something distinctive wherever I want to use a special character, like zzz for the German character ß or nnn for the Spanish ñ.
When I'm finished with the document, I copy each character I want, and paste it into the "replace with" box of the "replace" function.
Works pretty well, and I don't have to tax my memory.
-Joe-

P.S. John in Kansas, you may be able to sell those upside-down characters to Bill D, a rather upside-down character himself...(sorry, Bill)


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: Edthefolkie
Date: 17 Jul 10 - 04:34 PM

You can of course use Character Map to select the appropriate character visually rather than remembering umpteen ANSI codes and key combinations - admittedly it's not as quick but I got fed up with command line interfaces around 1973. Works on everything I run apart from Picasa text!

In XP it's under %SystemRoot%\system32\charmap.exe, you can always stick a shortcut on the desktop or whatever, and keep Character Map open while typing. You could no doubt write a macro to fire it up every time you start Word! Plenty of helpful articles in XP help and online, presumably also available within Vista and 7.


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 17 Jul 10 - 06:50 PM

Char Map works okay, but instead of going back to it and trying to remember where the characters you want are in the very long listings of characters in the more enhanced fonts, just copy them once into a separate "Chars I Use.doc" and put it close to where you're likely to keep docs that use them.

If you put a "!" at the beginning of the filename, it will almost always appear at the top of the listing in Win Explorer and will be easy to find - until you've used the ! trick for so many "important documents" that your list of things you need to find quickly gets too long to find anything and you'll have to start using a "!!" for really important stuff, and eventually !!! for really very important stuff ... until .....

John


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Jul 10 - 08:38 PM

Why Joe...¿?..I haven't been allowed to be upside down since my neck vertebrae started giving me problems ...even before Mudcat came along.. ...so I just reverse the characters ▲ ▼ ╝ ╗ ┴ ┬.... except for those I can't.. ├ Φ ∞

You can get all the characters anyone *I* know is likely to need by going to:

http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/index.htm, but that can be a bit overwhelming, so a much easier selection, with immediate images, is here:
http://www.tedmontgomery.com/tutorial/ALTchrc.html

(I like to mention now & then that not 'everyone' has WORD, or is familiar with all of its whims. I almost never use it, preferring to use simpler programs (free, of course) which do 95% of what WORD might do, with a lot less aggravation ...such as AbiWord or Atlantis Nova)

Good to have lots of options, hmmm ¿ ...I mean ?


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Jul 10 - 09:34 AM

hi ed

In my own position I don't have the problem with XP on my desktop. The ALTCODES work, and particularly in Spanish it is simple to remember the codes for the characters you need.

On a laptop it is different (at least on mine in Vista ) as you don't have the righthand number pad.

I am firmly from the KISS school.

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: Tech - ALTKEY Codes on Laptop
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Jul 10 - 07:26 PM

Firefox Plugin LeeyKey allows lots of cute tricks - including typing in reverse, ROT13, etc


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