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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 23 Jul 10 - 05:55 PM Obama has been too quick to withdraw the nominations of anyone the right wing goes after, such as Van Jones. If anyone really deserves to be axed, it's Vilsack, whose knee-jerk reaction to Brietbart's falsehoods and distortions not only harmed Shirley Sherrod but brought undeserved shame to the administration itself. Some say that anyone in a private corporation who did such a thing would be fired immediately. Brietbart and Fox behaved with deliberate malice (politically anyway), IMO. The other media behaved unprofessionally by echoing the distortions without examination. But Vilsack behaved unprofessionally and irresponsibly too, and in a way that caused considerable harm. Shirley Sherrod would have grounds to sue Vilsack, but she has accepted his apology. I don't think Fox or Brietbart have apologized or tried to make up for the damage they've done. Sherrod should sue them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Donuel Date: 23 Jul 10 - 06:01 PM Neil Thank you for being a small reasoning voice in the noisy asylum as well as the link to Keith. Can a Klan member murder a black man completely outside of the sanctions and beliefs of the Klan? That some people here think so and go on to say that it is not a relevent part of the story of a black woman who has gained redemption and clarity in the rural American south throughout the last 50 years, is beyond me. Its like saying that fathers have no effect on children. Overall it is fortunate that this story progressed as it did, not only for the Dreyfus Affair comparisons but for the future which will demand more clarity, deliberate research and wisdom when good people are attacked. When Riginslinger (aka Martin Gibson) attacks people without even repeating the absurd proposed propoganda that FOX presented but merely says "yes they are bad people", he reminds me of the slime Brietbart. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Greg F. Date: 23 Jul 10 - 06:01 PM ...Rig, you say the ACORN founder's brother was guilty of embezzlement.... Yeah, and George Dumbya's grandfather was a Nazi collaborator. So what? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 23 Jul 10 - 06:03 PM I think this entire episode has finally taught Obama that cowtieing to people who are paid big bucks to create lies and distortions about him and his administartion is a waste of time... Yeah, expect some push back next time Fox & Co sets one of their patented traps... I mean, one can only play the pea-under-the-shell-game but so long and Obama ain't stupid... BTW, I would love to see Shirely Sherrod sue Breitbart for, oh, around $20M for defamation of character... That would be a major step toward pushing back against these creeps... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Riginslinger Date: 23 Jul 10 - 06:25 PM "Yeah, and George Dumbya's grandfather was a Nazi collaborator." Yeah, well so was JFK's dad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Riginslinger Date: 23 Jul 10 - 06:26 PM "Rig, you say the ACORN founder's brother was guilty of embezzlement. If that's true, since when does that condemn a whole organization of corruption?" Because the whole organization covered for him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Riginslinger Date: 23 Jul 10 - 06:30 PM "I don't think Fox or Brietbart have apologized or tried to make up for the damage they've done." Bill O'Reilly did apologize, very profusely, and Shepard Smith refused to run the material because he couldn't validate it. Which is more than some left wing outlets did. Brietbart lives on another planet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 23 Jul 10 - 06:59 PM From the sound of it Rig, you are an occasional visitor there! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Riginslinger Date: 23 Jul 10 - 07:19 PM It was on NPR earlier this morning, Amos. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 24 Jul 10 - 10:04 AM "For the former Bush speechwriter David Frum, itÕs been an example of whatÕs worst about the conservative media scene: There will be no apology or statement of regret for distributing a doctored tape to defame and destroy someone. There will be not even a flutter of interest among conservatives in discussing BreitbartÕs role. By the morning of July 21, the Fox & Friends morning show could devote a segment to the Sherrod case without so much as a mention of BreitbartÕs role. The central fact of the Sherrod story has been edited out of the conservative narrative, just as it was edited out of the tape itself. When people talk of the Òclosing of the conservative mindÓ this is what they mean: not that conservatives are more narrow-minded than other people Ñ everybody can be narrow minded Ñ but that conservatives have a unique capacity to ignore unwelcome fact." (Quoted by Tobin Harshaw in the NYT) |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Greg F. Date: 24 Jul 10 - 10:25 AM Or a unique capacity to ignore facts, period. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 24 Jul 10 - 02:56 PM "(Quoted by Tobin Harshaw in the NYT)" And that's the problem. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Donuel Date: 24 Jul 10 - 03:10 PM btw for Oberman to compare this incident with the Dreyfus affair is more absurd and over the top than usual. I do agree with his assesment of FOX continually race baiting society to cause harm to the Obama administration. Fox news #1 in race baiting #1 in editing hack jobs #1 in fear and loathing alerts #1 in moving a dicimal point to their propoganda advantage #1 in factually inaccurate but emotionally hysterical presentations. #1 in creating news than reporting it (like the war against Christmas) #2 in marshalling patriotic pro god guns guts glory and gung ho war fanaticism. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 24 Jul 10 - 03:10 PM Rig: That a stupid, snarky remark, and you are capable of much better. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 24 Jul 10 - 05:45 PM Actually, Amos, I think Fox News has as much crediblity as the New York Times--though they're both a long ways from perfect. I think to get it into focus, one has to start with the news stories they each choose to cover. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Greg F. Date: 24 Jul 10 - 06:07 PM That a stupid, snarky remark, and you are capable of much better. Absolutely! I've seen him make MUCH more stupid and snarky remarks than that one. I think Fox News has as much crediblity as the New York Times In that event, you're an absolute moron. If you can prove that Harshaw is misquoting Frum, do so. Otherwise shut the fu$k up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 24 Jul 10 - 07:30 PM "In that event, you're an absolute moron." And you, Greg, have proven yourself to be completely incapable of grasping what's going on around you. Think Jayson Blair and Judith Miller, for instance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 24 Jul 10 - 09:00 PM Judith Miller didn't do anything more wrong than every editor in every major newspaper in the country.... Yeah, she didn't have the balls to confront the Bush/Cheney War Machine during the mad-dash-to-Iraq... Big deal... No other editors did either... What is yer beef with Judith Miller anyway, Rigs... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST Date: 24 Jul 10 - 09:11 PM Check out vidoes 2-3-4......even though all are interesting |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 24 Jul 10 - 09:12 PM Before you puke at the thought of it........ Check out vidoes 2-3-4......even though all are interesting Interesting, eh? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 24 Jul 10 - 10:08 PM Hmmmmm??? I'm confused... I thought that Jesus was comin' for all the Believers and leavin' this joint to the heathens??? If that is the case then it would seem thatall off this is In Jesus's hands... So why join the Tea Party??? Is Jesus the head of the Tea Party??? Man, this entire story get's stranger by the day... (But, Boberdz... Is it any stranger that Oral Roberts and his dream of a 600 foot Jesus tellin' him to go out and raise money???) Well, ahhhh, no... (Then there you have it...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 24 Jul 10 - 11:13 PM Guest Insanity, Glenn Beck's interpretations are so skewed it sounds like his voice is below his belt. On th eoriginal issue, here's a good analysis of the Sherrod Screwup which puts it into a telling perspective. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,TIA Date: 24 Jul 10 - 11:30 PM RigMartin... You totally ducked and spun the question. Say buh-bye to your credibility. And have another sip of that kool-aid. Tastes just "right" dunnit? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 24 Jul 10 - 11:53 PM "Judith Miller... didn't have the balls to confront the Bush/Cheney War Machine during the mad-dash-to-Iraq..." She was a cheer leader for the mad-dash-to-Iraq. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 25 Jul 10 - 12:31 AM @ Rig [[Genie: @ Genie: "Rig, you say the ACORN founder's brother was guilty of embezzlement. If that's true, since when does that condemn a whole organization of corruption?"]] " Because the whole organization covered for him." And you know this how?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Genie Date: 25 Jul 10 - 12:35 AM Rig, you are right about Shepard Smith, of Fox, being nearly the only TV media person to refuse to run the material without first validating it. And, Bill Reilly may have apologized. But Fox News (cable) did run Brietbart's video over and over, more than the other news media did and seemed especially delighted to have such a juicy story that they could say painted Democrats and liberals as racists. Brietbart doesn't live on another planet, Rig. He seems to know all to well how to do political damage via this sort of deceptive propagandistic trick. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Jul 10 - 01:29 AM Amos Lightfoot, My only comment was 'interesting, eh?'... Just something to think about...unless you find that painful! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 25 Jul 10 - 07:44 AM So Judith Miller was a cheerleader for the Bush/Cheney War Machine during the mad-dash-to-Iraq, eh Rrigs??? Like what editor of a major newspaper wasn't... The Washington Post certainly bent over backwards in support of the invasion... The Tribune likewise... So really, why single our Ms. Miller??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST Date: 25 Jul 10 - 08:32 AM "Like what editor of a major newspaper wasn't..." Okay, it's time to get real. Apparently every Jewish owned newspaper in America thought an American military presence in the Middle East would be good for Israel. As did every Jewish senator in the US Senate except Russ Feingold. "So really, why single our Ms. Miller???" She worked for the New York Times, and it was the Times we were talking about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 25 Jul 10 - 08:33 AM The above post is mine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Greg F. Date: 25 Jul 10 - 08:36 AM So really, why single our Ms. Miller? Because its easy, quick & convenient and because he thinks it proves his point, which it doesn't. You expected in-depth analysis? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 25 Jul 10 - 08:38 AM "And you know this how??" It's everywhere. Here, for example: http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2009/10/acorn_embezzlement_was_5_milli.html "But Fox News (cable) did run Brietbart's video over and over," Yes, but not until after the lady was fired. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Greg F. Date: 25 Jul 10 - 08:40 AM Oh, NOW I get it, Rig - its all part of the International Jewish Conspiracy! Suppose I shoulda known. Ya sure the Illuminati aren't involved? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 25 Jul 10 - 09:52 AM Guest in Sanity, While I realize your comment, "Interesting" was semantically null, I think the kind of half-wit straw-man illogic presented by Glen Beck is pathetic; and the fact that he enthralls anyone at all, let alone a significant following, is even more pathetic and disgusting. His basic piece of snake-oil legerdemain is to present a false premise and then beat his chest about how illogical it is. This of course is too easy. It is also misleading, distortive, excessively querulous and infantile. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 25 Jul 10 - 10:37 AM A step-by-step analysis of Beibart's egregious twisting of fact. The man should be charged for defamation and misinforming the world. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 25 Jul 10 - 11:09 AM No, Rigs... ***We*** weren't talking about the New York Times or Judith Miller... ***You*** were... Unless I missed something, no one else brought either up until you did... As fir yer Jews-Run-the-World conspiracy theory do you think that's what make the FOX un-newes and the Beibarts of the world go to such extremes to propagate falsehoods and distortions??? Interesting theory... Perhaps you'd like to elaboarte... Seems I have heard similar theories from other folks over the years... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 25 Jul 10 - 12:38 PM I'll close with this: there is an ongoing food fight between not very smart people like Glenn Beck and really dumb people like Keith Olberman that goes on constantly. While that's happening the real criminals of the world are making out like bandits. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Jul 10 - 12:57 PM If a person makes a mistake, then apologizes, one would think that he was O.K.....even on here. But, when O'Reilly apologized he's still not O.K....according to the boneheads. When the administration can't apologize, and does everything to cover their asses, I guess its O.K. too, right?? I'm assured that the security of this administration relies on the 'news' media for their intelligence...I'm glad they're watching out for us, with such comprehensive vigilance.....at least as good as they're watching us! Makes me think that their political IMAGE is more important than their ability to know the facts, BEFORE they act....sorta like the Bush Administration, and 911....or Clinton bombing an aspirin factory! Your ever increasing tax dollars at work! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bill D Date: 25 Jul 10 - 01:34 PM "...really dumb people like Keith Olberman ..." You don't have clue, do you? Olbermann ...(that's with TWO n's! It ain't really so hard to remember, is it?) ...has a better knowlege of history, a better perspective on today's issues, and a FAR better command of language than Beck can even imagine.... and evidently, better than anyone who had the silly audacity to make such riduculous comparisions! Anyone who has ever really listened to one of Keith's "special comments" You really gotta do better than just tossing out short, absurd characterizations if you want to be perceived as having any positions worth considering. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 25 Jul 10 - 01:53 PM Well, it could be that Olberman(n) is really carrying out an agenda for somebody else and just acting dumb. I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: pdq Date: 25 Jul 10 - 01:54 PM Keith Olbermann Caught Lying About Having An Ivy-League EducationIf you've ever watched any three nights of his show, you know that Olbermann went to Cornell. But he always forgets to mention that he went to the school that offers classes in milking and bovine management. Indeed, Keith is constantly lying about his nonexistent "Ivy League" education, boasting to Playboy magazine, for example: "My Ivy League education taught me how to cut corners, skim books and take an idea and write 15 pages on it, and also how to work all day at the Cornell radio station and never actually go to class." Except Keith didn't go to the Ivy League Cornell; he went to the Old MacDonald Cornell. The real Cornell, the School of Arts and Sciences (average SAT: 1,325; acceptance rate: 1 in 6 applicants), is the only Ivy League school at Cornell and the only one that grants a Bachelor of Arts degree. Keith went to an affiliated state college at Cornell, the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences (average SAT: about that of pulling guards at the University of South Carolina; acceptance rate: 1 of every 1.01 applicants). Olbermann's incessant lying about having an "Ivy League education" when he went to the non-Ivy League ag school at Cornell would be like a graduate of the Yale locksmithing school boasting about being a "Yale man." |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bill D Date: 25 Jul 10 - 03:12 PM pdq... you fail (as usual) to give your source for that 'information', or even to bother noting that it IS a C&P. Fortunately, *I* am able to find that it came. 3rd hand from "Topix.com" who got it from "Tom McMahon"...who extracted it from one of Ann Coulter's rants in March of LAST year. Now that is sure impressive! Ann Coulter is quite the fount of wisdom....until you read her tale and realize she is conducting an ad hominem attack with innuendo and exaggeration. *I* have watched WAY more than "three nights of his show", and I don't ever remember him mentioning where he went to school OR bragging about the details. I DO remember him talking about the fact that his early career was in broadcasting ...mostly sports. Obviously, he read and paid attention to other things along the way...even enough to be hired at FOX at one time. Now, I 'might' go find a list of other historical...and current... personages who were respected for their learning & ability, whether they ever went to college...or to a 'famous' college, or not.... but be assured there are many. *I* judge a person by what they know, how they present it, and how well what they say can be tested and verified and how they deal with stupid accusations such as your UNquote. Now... you wanta tackle Rachel Maddow, who is a gen-you-ine Rhodes scholar? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 25 Jul 10 - 03:13 PM Yes, not a very credible source, I'm afraid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 25 Jul 10 - 03:49 PM What BillD said... I also watch the man and he has a vast knowledge of current affairs, sans the mythology... I've challenged ya'll righties to show where Olbermann ahs lied on his show... No, not bonehead proclamations by right winged bloggers, who BTW also don't watch his show, but actaul, ahhhhh, facts, as in the truth... The reason that O'Reilly Was quick to offer an apology is as plain as day... As the truth was coming out about Ms. Sherrod it was evident even to Helen Keller that the Obama administration was in a pickle and so Bill O just switched sides so that he would be on the most anti-Obama side... If ya'll righties can't see that then ya'll are blind to reality... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: pdq Date: 25 Jul 10 - 04:06 PM There seems to be some honest disagreemnt as to whether the College of Agriculture and Life, associated with the (real) Cornell School of Arts and Sciences, qualifies as the source of "an Ivy League education" as Keith Olbermann seems to suggest that he received. When he was accepted, the admission standards were much lower than the "real" Cornell, from which Ann Coulter graduated with honors. If people like Olbermann's "humorous digs", perhaps they should cultivate a similar appreciation for those from Miss Coulter. Just a suggestion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Amos Date: 25 Jul 10 - 04:45 PM PDQ: The idea that you can find them comparable is a little jaw-dropping. Olbermann does not spew hatred against broad classes of people the way Coulter does, and his perpectives are informed by a humanistic understanding of situations, while hers are informed by partisan guttersniping as a means for printing money, and lying for pay. Viva la difference! |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: Bobert Date: 25 Jul 10 - 04:52 PM Ahhhhhh, just for the recod, but Virgina Tech was and still is an "agricultural school"... But ya' know what??? Doesn't really matter because Olbermann doesn't talk about it, or if he does, it is very seldom... Like I say, I've never herad the man toot is horn about any of his credentials... And even if he did, it still doesn't matter... I still challenge any rightie/leftied/centerie to come up with just one lie that Olbermannn ahs told on his show... Or Racael Maddow, for that matter... But there's another major difference between Olbermann/Maddow and Beck/O'Reiley... Olbermann/Maddow don't SCREAM at you... Like what's with all this childish SCREAMIN' on the right side of the TV/radio dial??? Seems to me that if folks think they have to SCREAM to get a point across then maybe that point ain't worth gettin' across??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,TIA Date: 25 Jul 10 - 05:24 PM Who is the dummy? Olbermann compared l'affaire Sherrod to l'affaire Dreyfus, and Beck spent his show the next day laughing about Olbermanns comments of "Richard Dreyfus". What a moron. He is such an ignorant know-nothing that he was completely unaware that Olbermann was talking about 19th century France, not 20th century Hollywood. BTW, where was Beck educated? Anybody know? |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 25 Jul 10 - 05:25 PM I've never seen anyone scream as much as Olbermann, but then looking like a mole is probably a big impediment when it comes to getting your point across. |
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing From: GUEST,TIA Date: 25 Jul 10 - 05:33 PM Oh yeah, Beck has the same degree as Limbaugh and Hannity. |
