When will Mudcat clean up its act?

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,jade, can't be bothered doing cookie
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 10:02 PM

to be sensible now,
when you talk to someone face to face of course it depends on who you are talking to as to what sort of language you use.
however, this isn't face to face, it isn't instant. this is the type of place you get to know peoples writing styles and decide whether to read them or not.
banning swearing on tv wouldn't be permitted. if it is there and you don't like it, you have the choice to turn over.

if i were talking to a friend i would swear, it is how i express myself in everyday terms. if i were talking to someone in an official copacity, then of course i would keep it clean. that also applies to parents, or grandparents.

now apart from messing around, i don't noramlly swaer alot online, as i have time to consider alternatives. in real life you don't get that. although sometimes i wish there were a delete button!

take care all
jade x x x x x

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 09:37 PM

Joe, I'm deeply offended by your suggestion that http://mysongbook.de contains no offensive language! There are gems like 'The Steggie' to be found. (Ok, not an offensive word in sight there - you'll have to picture it in your own mind ...) And admittedly, 'She Was A Rum One' or the bawdy version of 'John Anderson My Jo' are still missing but they will eventually be included! So please don't slander http://mysongbook.de. :-)

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 09:23 PM

Just for the record, Brian May: you are not accurate as you say "when not a penny has been paid to Union Carbide's victims in India."

I agree that the amount was obscenely low but government did do its thing. ver batim from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster

Widow pension of the rate of Rs 200/per month (later Rs 750) was provided.

One-time ex-gratia payment of Rs 1,500 to families with monthly income Rs 500 or less was decided.

Each claimant was to be categorised by a doctor. In court, the claimants were expected to prove "beyond reasonable doubt" that death or injury in each case was attributable to exposure. In 1992, 44 percent of the claimants still had to be medically examined.

From 1990 interim relief of Rs 200 was paid to everyone in the family who was born before the disaster.

The final compensation (including interim relief) for personal injury was for the majority Rs 25,000 (US$ 830). For death claim, the average sum paid out was Rs 62,000.

Effects of interim relief were more children sent to school, more money spent on treatment, more money spent on food, improvement of housing conditions.

The management of registration and distribution of relief showed many shortcomings.

In 2007, 1,029,517 cases were registered and decided. Number of awarded cases were 574,304 and number of rejected cases 455,213. Total compensation awarded was Rs.1,546.47 crores.

Because of the smallness of the sums paid and the denial of interest to the claimants, a sum as large as Rs 10 billion is expected to be left over after all claims have been settled.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 09:11 PM

"First I heard of any PG13 filter. "

PG13 filter tips were introduced for the under age smoking market....

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 09:06 PM

First I heard of any PG13 filter.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: mousethief
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 08:55 PM

If I asked why this thread is above the line, would I regret it?

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 08:04 PM

Hi, Jeri-

But the problem is, if today's Forum Menu has a Forbidden Word and if you're using the boss's computer, the boss's computer won't give you access to Mudcat.

But if you use mhy Happy! link, you will avoid the Naughty Word threads and be able to access Mudcat from the boss's computer. THEN you can use the "filter out" option to root out the PG13 threads and look at the rest of Mudcat.

Mind you, my boss is a nun, and she doesn't have a Naughty Word filter on your computer. Maybe that's why the Vatican is investigating American nuns.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Bugsy
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 07:56 PM

Jeri! Are you suggesting that One should actually edit out what's offensive to One on One's OWN computer??

Surely theres a Jobsworth somewhere that can do it for One??

(I'll shut the door behind me on my way out)


Bugsy

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 07:44 PM

Joe, on the main threads page, click the box that says "Filter out". It's right under the word "filter" by the box you type in the word you want to filter for.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: kendall
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 07:40 PM

"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." (Former president Harry S. Truman.)

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 07:36 PM

Well trolled, Sean Mc. Classic ploy, a fatuous but inflammatory comment, and no visits back but to stir it a bit ('morons') when it seems to be getting a bit quiet. Have you considered the possibility that 'moron' might be as offensive as 'cunt'?

By the way, which one are you?

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 07:23 PM

OK, so the Jane Fonda song is Fuck You Jane Fonda.

But now I'm wondering about this PG13 stuff. We started the tag so people could filter out the bawdy stuff so they could view Mudcat stuff on their bosses' computers.....but now I can't remember how to make a "filter out" link.

Can anybody help?

-Joe-

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You CAN use this link to "happy" threads (which don't have bad stuff), and then filter out PG13, and that will work.

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Search for "happy!" threads

If you have a computer that blocks you from Mudcat when thread titles have "naughty" words, copy this link.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 06:36 PM

"I always thought PG was "Pregnant" "

I've always what what Page 13 had to do with anything - and in which book?

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: skarpi
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 05:03 PM

Brian May , why tell people to F"""""""""""""" and don´t come back ??
its not your call is it ??? , its their own call to do so .

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,Duran
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 04:58 PM

Hey, what's this song about Jane Fonda ? One of the more interesting nuggets in this slag heap. Do tell, open mike.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Brian May
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 04:36 PM

It's funny isn't it?

People here getting their knickers in a twist over a couple of words they don't like, whilst 'respectable' governments, ministers, industrialists, celebrities and so on are cheerfully ramming the bat up our collective arse - but they're polite about it?

Err, I wonder which one I prefer . . .

Try going to the Acoustic Guitar Forum where you can't even write 'damn' without censorship.

I described a bastard file and had it censored, I then attached a dictionary definition, I nearly then got banned for questioning the the moderator - he was actually quite rude BUT he didn't use any rude words.

So those of you who are complaining about the odd swear word, think on, that sometimes the alternative is equally as bad, it's all in the name of decency - yeah right.

Yank government bitching about BP not paying out enough money, when not a penny has been paid to Union Carbide's victims in India. That's perhaps another dose of Midwest Bible belt decency, they won't SAY it, but they certainly DO it.

Now how do you view a couple of swear words? Is it of cosmic importance? Don't like it? Then fuck off and don't come back - you can have my place at AGF.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 04:21 PM

even Oscar Brand's "Good Ship Venus" Peter Laban linked to is partially self-censored

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: mousethief
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 03:53 PM

Makes me wonder what Woody Guthrie would have had to say about it.

"Fuck it."

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 03:46 PM

Spaw... "Can we all just move on now from the moronic, broke-dick, jadrool, that started this thread and allow him the privacy to go fuck himself?"

I thought that was already established, no?

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: skarpi
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 03:40 PM

Bleep!!
where can you find a website that dosen´t have a word that needs a Bleep !!!!

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 03:35 PM

Comedian Penn Gillette once remarked that there are people who could walk through the debris after an explosion in a Scrabble tile factory and find something to be offended at.

Sean Mc, you'd better fasten your seat belt, because I'm afraid the ride is going to get a bit bumpy for you. The Federal Communications Commission is in the process of rescinding the ban on the "seven forbidden words," the ones that cannot be said on radio or television (shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker, and tits).

Bon appetite.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 02:59 PM

This one, on the other hand...

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 02:55 PM

I had to look up that one. Hehe.

It's here on Youtube

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 02:10 PM

thank you, maeve!

I have that old album, but haven't listened to it for years.... but I can "hear" it even as I type this... :D

lately I've been bemoaning the current tide of pandering to the least tolerant instead of standing up for tolerance, understanding and acceptance. what ever happened to agreeing to disagree? there are times when it feels like we're living in a particularly unpleasant episode of the Twilight Zone.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: maeve
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 02:00 PM

"A Clean Song" Oscar Brand

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 01:52 PM

Spawpologist!

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 01:50 PM

I would also propose that besides Dick, we remove Peter and John as well. Then of course there is pussy, cock, gay, jig, pork, screw, hump, suck, ball, bone, tits, booby, trim..............

And Ireland's favourites, Mickey and Fanny?

Once you start there's no end to it.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 01:49 PM

....and just so nobody is taken aback, let me assure you that Spaw is simply being affectionate, in his own f***ing way...

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 01:45 PM

I would also propose that besides Dick, we remove Peter and John as well. Then of course there is pussy, cock, gay, jig, pork, screw, hump, suck, ball, bone, tits, booby, trim.........................

Can we all just move on now from the moronic, broke-dick, jadrool, that started this thread and allow him the privacy to go fuck himself?


Spaw

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 01:39 PM

I have to admit being a bit perplexed when I saw the thread title... and then a tad annoyed at the presumption that some songs had no business being discussed at all. Has the ghost of Francis Childs returned and is attempting to asert puritanical control over traditional & folk music?

The use of "whilst" leads me to assume that the poster lives across the pond and makes me once again glad that (in spite of the best attempts by the puritanical right wingers)that I and the folks who run Mudcat live in the "US of A" and have a constitutional right to freedom of speech. And one consequence of that right is that it applies across the board - any and every viewpoint has the same right of expression. A hell of a lot of blood has been shed over the years to ensure that some very basic freedoms have been preserved for us and our decendents.

Thankfully, this small scirmish is being conducted using keyboards and not guns or other lethal devices. But I can't help but think of all the places on this planet where the right to think for myself or express my own opinions is but a forlorn hope. Makes me wonder what Woody Guthrie would have had to say about it.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: open mike
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 01:35 PM

I always thought PG was "Pregnant"

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,me
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 01:16 PM

When will water stop flowing downhill?

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Haruo
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 12:30 PM

The Mudcat is an ideal place to display and discuss fuck music, I think. I presume in this thread Sean Mc got what he wanted.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:54 AM

LOLOL...

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:36 AM

That would be D**k then wouldn't it?

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: maeve
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:34 AM

He's been Bowdlerised, Dick.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:32 AM

Fair enough I missed that bit:

and it helps avoid having filter programs refuse access to the entire Mudcat page! The filter programs do not open the threads to see what is in them....they only 'see' what is on open display.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:32 AM

He's in He** with Anthony Comstock.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:29 AM

Where is Thomas Bowdler when we need him?

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:19 AM

There ..cross-posted explanations.... better?

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:17 AM

I find it strange that you do not understand it. Of course most humans looking at the title will know exactly what the asterisks stand for....I said clearly that the 'main' use is to not trip filtering programs, so that someone looking for love songs will not be blocked IF that thread is currently visible.
It will also be a slight relief to those who 'tend' to be offended by list of 'naughty words, but if that was all **s did, I would not bother.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:13 AM

The anti-profanity PROGRAMS don't care if you can figure out what the asterisks represent. So yes, for all practical purposes, you are fooling the programs into thinking the word isn't actually there.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: BobKnight
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:13 AM

The world is full of people trying to impose their ideas of what's right on others - mostly religious extremists who seem to be outraged at just about everything. They piss me off - big time. Where my soap-box - I feel a rant coming on.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:06 AM

[i]Yes...IN THE TITLE... to repeat my opinion[/i]

I find that strange and I don't understand it. Is it a sort of make believe the word isn't actually there?

My point of view ofcourse.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:01 AM

"Is F**K you more acceptable than Fuck you ?"

Yes...IN THE TITLE... to repeat my opinion: When casual browsers, especially kids, scan a list of threads it avoids shock, and it helps avoid having filter programs refuse access to the entire Mudcat page! The filter programs do not open the threads to see what is in them....they only 'see' what is on open display. Thus, those who WISH to read about explicit songs may do so, and those who come here NOT wanting such songs have fair warning.
It's about the closest we can come to a fair compromise.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:00 AM

but I do not like to see racist labels in the thread titles. In the songs, for authenticity, okay,

So - good old authentic traditional racism is okay? Which differs from any other brand of racism how exactly? Please explain.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 10:46 AM

I think that words widely considered objectionable should be 'edited' IN THREAD TITLES. Then, the full text is easily found by looking.
- BillD -

That's exactly the point we tried to make years ago in "that" thread, at least I *think* we're talking about the same one.

I don't give a damn about fuck being in any titles, but I do not like to see racist labels in the thread titles. In the songs, for authenticity, okay, but as Bill said, it'd be better, imo, if they were not in the thread titles.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 10:33 AM

Does anyone really believe asterisks soften the blow? I mean, Is F**K you more acceptable than Fuck you ?

What's more, the confusion it created, I know people who write F**k when they mean Folk.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: open mike
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 10:25 AM

I can see how having "certain" words spelled out in thread titles might offend someone, and turn off newcomers to the site. Perhaps titles could have A*teri*ks , but the messages could contain the full words. there is a certain thread which mentions a song called F**k
Jane Fonda, which expresses a certain personal slanderous comment.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: artbrooks
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 09:47 AM

Shouldn't that be *rs*?