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Lyr Req: Winter Songs

HelenR 10 Aug 10 - 11:03 AM
Leadfingers 10 Aug 10 - 12:18 PM
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CupOfTea 10 Aug 10 - 02:13 PM
RTim 10 Aug 10 - 02:29 PM
Old Vermin 10 Aug 10 - 03:55 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Winter Songs
From: HelenR
Date: 10 Aug 10 - 11:03 AM

Hi all,
I'm on the look-out for songs that could be used as part of a Christmas song programme, with the proviso that, as a non-Christian, there's a certain limit to how religious they can be. That is to say, I'm fine with nativity scene stuff, songs that focus on the Child and Mother aspect, and so forth, but it it really gets into sacrifice and crowns of thorns and blood, it goes beyond what I can comfortably and honestly sing.

I'm interested in Christmas songs from any tradition, in any language, as well as songs relating to other winter festivals from British or any other culture.

Any ideas?
cheers,
Helen


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Winter Songs
From: Leadfingers
Date: 10 Aug 10 - 12:18 PM

Look at Pantomime Songs - Though they do tend to be Post Christmas !


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Winter Songs
From: HelenR
Date: 10 Aug 10 - 01:07 PM

I should perhaps elaborate that I'm looking for songs that do reflect the winter in some way, either the natural winter or the rituals and celebrations that feature in it. I'm all for Christmas, particularly in the symbolic/Pagan sense - rebirth from death, the renewed cycle of nature, a festival of light in darkness, all that stuff.

Not really looking for daft songs about Santa, though; I'm aiming for a certain dignity to the proceedings. :)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Winter Songs
From: CupOfTea
Date: 10 Aug 10 - 02:13 PM

I get tired of the Christmas music that makes your teeth ache with the sadistic repetition of sweet or coy. I've cherished both the traditional-yet-obscure as well as the new and wonderful & have been consciously collecting albums in this vein, and learning some of the songs. Years…er… decades ago, John McCutcheon's "Winter Solstice" album was new and wonderful, while now "Christmas in the Trenches" is on it's way to becoming traditionally overdone. (still, some great stuff in that thar album) Some friends of mine, the Bittersweet Christmas Band of the Chicago area, have several recordings "from the reverent to the ridiculous" and their website
lets you listen to one of a favorite non-traditional turning of the year songs "Dance in the Dark of the Year" They do fine versions of Stan Roger's "First Christmas Away from Home" among other gems. They've been doing it so long, there are young things in Chicago who think Richard Thompson's "We'll Sing Halleluia"    IS a traditional song.

Folk Legacy's Barton/Para/Paton album "Twas on a Night Like This" has a lush, "let's not get depressed even if winter is depressing" song: "Dark December."


The trio "Voices" composed of Anne Hills, Cindy Mangsen and Priscilla Herdman has recorded two winter albums, Voices of Winter and Turning of the Year .They're a joy to listen to, and the most delightful listening source for some of these songs.

Voices of Winter
Wintergrace - (Jean Ritchie)
Snow In The Street - (w: William Morris / m: Ralph Vaughn Williams)
Raise The Dead of Wintertime - (Alan Rankin)
Witch Hazel - (Tom Gala)
Serving Girl's Holiday - (traditional)
Hanerot Halalu - (traditional)
A'Rovin' On A Winter's Night - (traditional)
Joy, Health, Love & Peace - (traditional)
The Wren - (Jack Hardy)
Unto You This Night (A Child is Born) - (w&m: Steve Gillette & Rex Benson)
Frozen Logger - (James Stephens)
Proper Cup Of Coffee - (Traditional, new verses by Anne Hills & Cindy Mangsen)
Voices Of Winter - (Anne Hills)
Red And Green - (Maddy Prior)
Hot Buttered Rum - (Tommy Thompson)
Mister Santa - (Pat Ballard)
Chickadee - (w: Stan Scott / m: Ray Andrews & Ray Frank)
More Wood - (Dillon Bustin)
Lo, How A Rose - (traditional)

Second trio album: Turning of the Year
Turning of the Year - (w&m by Anne Hills)
Candlemas Eve - (Lyrics by R. Herrick, music by unknown; P.D.)
The Winter It Is Past - (Traditional, with additional words by Robert Burns)
Forget-Me-Not - (w&m by Anne Hills & Michael Smith)
Swinton May Song - (Traditional English, from the Watersons)
Goodbye to the Roses - (Poem by Margaret Mantle, music by Jenny Armstrong)
Away Ye Merry Lasses - (w&m by Georje Holper)
Uncle Dave's Grace - (lyrics by Peter Berryman, music by Lou Berryman)
Solstice Round - (w&m by Cindy Mangsen)
The Snow - (w&m by Allen Power)
The Druggist - (w&m by Joel Mabus)
Corn, Water and Wood - (w&m by Carol Elliott & Wendy Waldman)
Years - (w&m by Beth Neilsen Chapman)
Winter's Come and Gone - (w&m by Gillian Welch & David Rawlings)
(Priscilla Herdman's site has lyrics for all the second album of winter songs. )

Best of luck in putting together a program of turning of the year/solstice/midwinter/Christmas songs It's a rich area to mine. I've bolded the album titles and the songs I particularly like.

Joanne In Cleveland
"In the dead of winter When the silent snow birds come You're my sweet maple sugar, honey, Hot buttered rum"


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Subject: ADD: Winter Man (Chris Leslie)
From: RTim
Date: 10 Aug 10 - 02:29 PM

There is Chris Leslie's Song - Winter Man.
Can be heard on my MySpace page:
http://www.myspace.com/timradford

Tim Radford

See words below:

Winter Man (Chris Leslie Pub. Free Music/UK)

I have known Chris for over thirty years. He is a
fabulously talented singer, fiddler and mandolin
player, and has written some really great songs.
I believe this beautiful song was one of the first he
ever wrote, and recorded with his brother John,
like Chris; both Adderbury Morris Men.

Many, many memories!

The Song

WINTER MAN
(Chris Leslie)

Christmas eve is nigh at last
The snow is on the ground O
Although I tread not very light
You cannot hear a sound.
So while you sit down by the fire
To toast it with a dram
Safeguard your children through the night
For I come the Winter man

Blankets, door locks, spitting fires,
Cannot keep me out O
And you cannot hear me come
Although I loudly shout
Windows plenty I will paint
To show that I have been
Such wondrous work in all the World
I'm sure was never seen.

When at last my rule is o'er
I cannot linger on
Spring it comes to beat me out
With the lark and the thrushes song
Then I'm defeated I'll admit
It's all that I can say
But before the sun can catch me up
I quietly run away.

4. As verse 1,


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Winter Songs
From: Old Vermin
Date: 10 Aug 10 - 03:55 PM

I have a recollection of hearing "Drink the winter away" at Sidmouth last week.


Also 'Drive cold winter away.'


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Winter Songs
From: Crowhugger
Date: 10 Aug 10 - 04:11 PM

Already mentioned is one of my year-round favourites, The Frozen Logger.
The chorus in which I sing learned Marshmallow World last year which we really enjoy singing. This year we're learning Little Saint Nick in a cute 4-part equal voice arrangement; this one isn't so much my cuppa but most like it. I'm in a rush now but will dig up author & publisher info for both a bit later.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Winter Songs
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 10 Aug 10 - 05:20 PM

These two are poems, but you could have somebody read them. Or you could make up a tune.

When Icicles Hang by the Wall by W. Shakespeare
The January Man by Dave Goulder

Use the box in the upper right called 'Lyrics and Knowledge Search' to search for January Man. Check the DT box.
Lyrics added by Joe Offer
Francis T. Palgrave, ed. (1824–1897). The Golden Treasury.  1875.
 
W. Shakespeare
 
XXVII. Winter
 
WHEN icicles hang by the wall 
  And Dick the shepherd blows his nail, 
And Tom bears logs into the hall, 
  And milk comes frozen home in pail; 
When blood is nipt, and ways be foul,         5
Then nightly sings the staring owl 
                Tu-whoo! 
Tu-whit! tu-whoo! A merry note! 
While greasy Joan doth keel the pot. 
  
When all around the wind doth blow,  10
  And coughing drowns the parson's saw, 
And birds sit brooding in the snow, 
  And Marian's nose looks red and raw; 
When roasted crabs hiss in the bowl— 
Then nightly sings the staring owl  15
                Tu-whoo! 
Tu-whit! tu-whoo! A merry note! 
While greasy Joan doth keel the pot. 
 


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Winter Songs
From: Barry T
Date: 10 Aug 10 - 10:38 PM

You will surely love Dermot O'Reilly's A Children's Winter.

Here it is performed by The Barra MacNeils with the Ennis Sisters...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7DXMSXQ5qI

And here it is performed by Dermot himself...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyDhyvwQOCA

Simply superb!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Winter Songs
From: Leadfingers
Date: 10 Aug 10 - 10:44 PM

Dave Goulder's January Man is a SONG with a Written Tune ! Though it WOULD work as a poem


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Winter Songs
From: Clontarf83
Date: 10 Aug 10 - 11:35 PM

My favourite Christmas song is Steve Earle's "nothing but a child"--last track on Copperhead Road album


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Winter Songs
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 11 Aug 10 - 12:55 AM

Yes, Leadfingers, I heard somebody sing January Man once. I wouldn't call it a melody, I would call it one note after another.

The music is not in the DT, and I assumed that HelenR would not feel the need to hunt down the music, which might be a time-consuming task.

Of course, she could just make up a melody of her own...

What do you think, Helen?


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Subject: ADD: Bleary Winter (Lupton/Wood)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 11 Aug 10 - 01:21 AM

BLEARY WINTER
(Hugh Lupton/Chris Wood)

A lost breath blows the wood awake
Remembering griefs it used to know
The sparrowhawk has seized the song
I lost so long ago
While the living rub their eyes and wake from bleary winter.

The seven sisters in the sky
Tend to the kitchens of the dead
Look, every lost forgotten fire
Is blazing overhead
While the living rub their eyes and wake from bleary winter.

The jolly boys beneath the field
The darlings of the wanton plough sing
Break our hearts, cleave us apart
And fill our throats with corn
While the living rub their eyes and wake from bleary winter.

Only the child beneath the weeds
Weeps for the lack of love and air
Build me a little house of skin
And bone and woven hair
While the living rub their eyes and wake from bleary winter.


recorded on The Lark Descending and on English Acoustic Collective Ghosts.

Re: January Man. It has a tune, self-written I believe by Dave Goulder. I've heard When Icicles Hang sung too.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Winter Songs
From: HelenR
Date: 11 Aug 10 - 10:29 AM

Thanks so much for all the suggestions!
As to what works for me, that's another matter - it's all down to whether something 'sits' right with me in terms of style and it's something hard to predict. I generally prefer actual traditional material rather than singer-songwriter songs, which normally are best sung by their writer, for me.
I'll have a really good trawl through these suggestions, many thanks.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Winter Songs
From: Old Vermin
Date: 11 Aug 10 - 10:52 AM

And of course some of the seasonal songs from Maypoles to Mistletoe...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Winter Songs
From: The DeanMeister
Date: 11 Aug 10 - 11:44 AM

Lindisfarne's Winter Song?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Winter Songs
From: GUEST,Bert
Date: 11 Aug 10 - 02:21 PM

Stars and Snowflakes

Song for a Winter's Night


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Winter Songs
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 11 Aug 10 - 06:49 PM

Old Vermin's recollection might have been of Mrs Scarecrow's song, "Take a little drop to keep the winter out"?

Wild Flying Dove has written a great song to cheer us up in the depths of winter - "Summer is invincible"!

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Winter Songs
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 10:39 AM

It occurs to me that if Helen lives in the southern hemisphere, the January Man will be all wrong.

Oh dear.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Winter Songs
From: Genie
Date: 13 Aug 10 - 01:34 AM

I didn't see this one mentioned in this thread, but how about

"Winter is icumen in,
Lude sing goddamn!"


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Winter Songs
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 13 Aug 10 - 06:39 AM

Ron Kavanagh's Reconcilliation is one of my favourite songs and move from Autumn , through December to April


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Winter Songs
From: HelenR
Date: 13 Aug 10 - 10:16 AM

Jeeneia, don't worry, I live in the Thames Valley, so it's the northern hemisphere winter I'm most interested in. :)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Winter Songs
From: maple_leaf_boy
Date: 13 Aug 10 - 03:47 PM

I like winter songs. It's my favorite season.
Thanks for the posts.


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Subject: Lyr Add: WAD YE DO THAT (Robert Burns?)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 13 Aug 10 - 04:42 PM

From The Merry Muses of Caledonia

WAD YE DO THAT.

TUNE—John Anderson, my jo.

GUDEWIFE when your gudeman's frae hame,
Might I but be sae bauld,
As come to your bed-chamber,
When winter nights are cauld;
As come to your bedchamber,
When nights are cauld and wat;
And lie in your gudeman's stead,
Wad ye do that?

Young man an ye should be so kind,
When our gudeman's frae hame,
As come to my bed-chamber,
Where I am laid my lane;
And lie in our gudeman's stead,
I will tell you what,
He f---s me five times ilka night,
Wad ye do that?


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