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GUEST,leeneia 12 Aug 10 - 05:34 PM
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Subject: Tech: how to label CD
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 05:34 PM

I'm tranferring my favorite vinyl LP's to CD's. Each CD needs to be identified somehow. I've seen people write on them with permanent markers. (Sharpies.)

Is that the best way? I want these CD's to last.

By the way, I am using a thing called an INport which I got at Radio Shack. It seems to work quite well once the wrinkles are ironed out. There shouldn't be wrinkles, but I forgive them because some of my stereo equipment is older than they are.


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Subject: RE: Tech: how to label CD
From: treewind
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 05:49 PM

You can get special CD marker pens that use a safe ink. I find they don't write well.
I've used sharpies without mishap so far, but usually only for short term use so I can't vouch for the longevity of this method.

You can get cheap CD printers that will do a small monochrome label on part of the surface - if you don't want a full design but just a couple lines of text they should be ideal and look a lot better.

E.G. TDK CD Printer
(maybe not that one - no longer stocked, but something like it)


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Subject: RE: Tech: how to label CD
From: treewind
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 05:54 PM

maybe this one Casio - looks neat


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Subject: RE: Tech: how to label CD
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 06:12 PM

Whatever the case, don't expect any CD-R to last indefinitely. It's an imperfect medium designed for short-term use & highly vulnerable to corruption. Use Taiyo Yoden disks, Sharpies are okay, back up on cassette, MP3, memory stick, harddrive, and whatever else - be sure to hang onto that precious vinyl.

It's early music you're into, is that right, Leeneia? I'm picking up lots of amazing stuff on vinyl right now all over the place, from David Munrow box sets and original St. George's Canzona pressings to Rene Zosso playing Vivaldi sonatas on his hurdy gurdy. And the covers - works of art so they are.


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Subject: RE: Tech: how to label CD
From: HiHo_Silver
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 07:18 PM

I use a program "Click & Design" and a Gadget called a CD stomper.
This allows you to design lables: background, contents etc. Can put loads of informtion on the lable and also allows you to make a matching case insert. You can get lables in matte or Gloss and can print them on your printer. Also newer PC's have the capability of burning the lable right unto the disc by turning it over in the "D" drive. I would think you would need some type of design program for this as well. Also the proper Discs. I believe I purchased my CD Stomper at Radio Shack and the Click & Design Program came with it.


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Subject: RE: Tech: how to label CD
From: DebC
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 07:59 PM

One problem with paper labels is that they can get stuck in your CD player, especially if you have a slot player like most cars have. I abandoned paper labels a few years ago for this very reason and use a CD/DVD pen that I bought in the UK. It's called Connect and I think it cost about three or four quid for two. These have been the BEST CD markers I've found, better than Sharpies, tho they work okay too.

Debra Cowan


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Subject: RE: Tech: how to label CD
From: Maryrrf
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 08:29 PM

There is also Lightscribe . It is only available as a built in on Hewlett Packard computers, but I bought a separate CD drive for not very much money that had it. You have to use Lightscribe disks, which are slightly more expensive, and it takes a long time to label a disk.


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Subject: RE: Tech: how to label CD
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 11:33 PM

Thanks for all the info. I had no idea there were so many methods.

I think the special marker sounds right for me.

Thanks, Suibhne, for the encouraging words about early music. I'll keep an eye out for vinyl as I go about.

I must confess that getting rid of the vinyl was the goal of all this. However, I have a friend whose young nephew is a DJ, and all he and his buddies will use is vinyl. And I understand that some firms are issuing new vinyl. Man, I get so confused by all this.

I do like the idea of backing up onto a stick drive.


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Subject: RE: Tech: how to label CD
From: beeliner
Date: 13 Aug 10 - 02:14 AM

I cannot imagine how using a Sharpie would damage or cause problems on a CD-R.

You obviously wouldn't use a small label because that would unbalance the CD (and might come loose), but the weight of the Sharpie fluid would be infinitesimal.

I have scores of them so marked with no problems.


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Subject: RE: Tech: how to label CD
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 13 Aug 10 - 02:32 AM

Here in England, I scour the charity shops; Oxfam is best, where entire record collections are off-loaded in excellent condition - especially the classical / early stuff - and priced accordingly. I recently picked up a mint 1971 Argo edition of David Munrow's Songs of Love & War - Music of the Crusades (complete with inserts!) for £3.

We bought one of those USB turntables last year to do some vinyl transfering, but it gets used more simply for playing records - especially my old early music albums. I've nothing against CDs - I'm a bit of a Jordi Saval completist and have most of the Alia Vox catalogue in a dedicated CD rack - but bitter experience has taught me to be wary of CD-Rs. And those lovely old 12" cover designs - rare & precious; things of beauty and a joy forever...


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Subject: RE: Tech: how to label CD
From: Martin Graebe
Date: 13 Aug 10 - 02:41 AM

'I cannot imagine how using a Sharpie would damage or cause problems on a CD-R.'

Contrary to what you might expect, the layer of the CD that carries the data is on the 'top' of the disk, right under the printed/laquered/coated/whatever layer. The wrong solvent could, I have been told, pass through and affect the data layer or cause de-lamination. Printable disks have a thicker layer and can be written on with a soft pencil or water based marker if you don't want to print them - but don't press hard!

I had a great program that came with my Canon printer that made printing CDs dead easy - then I got Windows 7 (Grrr!) and Canon have no timescale for updating the software to make it work again.

Martin


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Subject: RE: Tech: how to label CD
From: Bernard
Date: 13 Aug 10 - 05:54 AM

Martin... people sometimes laugh because I hang on to old PCs with old operating systems, but at least it means my favourite old peripherals can still be used!!

;o)


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Subject: RE: Tech: how to label CD
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 13 Aug 10 - 06:38 AM

Leeneia: I must confess that getting rid of the vinyl was the goal of all this. However, I have a friend whose young nephew is a DJ, and all he and his buddies will use is vinyl. And I understand that some firms are issuing new vinyl. Man, I get so confused by all this.

My kids get loads of their new music on vinyl. They've all insisted on good turntables for their music systems.

It's a bit of a kudos thing...downloaded versions on their various players and PCs, but having the vinylversion as well, especially if it's a limited edition vinyl a a lot of them are, gives great cachet.

Look at the options here for instance:

The Suburbs

You can order just digital in a variety of qualities, CD plus download or 12 inch vinyl plus download. This is fairly typical of indie and more porogressive mainstream bands these days.

I recently bought my first vinyl singles in several years!


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Subject: RE: Tech: how to label CD
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 13 Aug 10 - 10:30 AM

When the new Gong album came out last year I bought the double gate-fold vinyl edition which came with a poster and a CD, so you didn't actually have to play the vinyl, which to date, I never have!

Early music vinyl is another issue. With early music CDs you've got 70 minutes plus of music on there; I put on a CD, settle down with the booklet (especially Alia Vox editions which can be prety elaborate in that respect - like THIS for example - 2 CDs in a deluxe hardback book!) and I'm away for the morning. With early music vinyl on the other hand, the most you'll ever get is 30-minutes a side, which is pushing it, which a lot of the old L'Oiseau-Lyre albums did, the ones by Anthony Rooley and the Consort of Musicke in particular, so one can still immerse, but with less damage to the day.


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Subject: RE: Tech: how to label CD
From: open mike
Date: 13 Aug 10 - 11:17 AM

we had a thread a while back...i think Deckman was looking for a way to label archived c.d.'s
there are printable hub discs with a white surface that you can print labels onto. this eliminates the sticky problem of labels.Epson printers used to be the only ones that could print on discs, now H.P.
printers (some,not all) have a special tray where you can print discs.

This allows photos, color pix, (perhaps a shot of the original album cover could be used) and other info can be added: title, names of each cut, etc.

there are a few programs that you can use to design c.d. labels..
Roxio, Record now, and even MS word i think...


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Subject: RE: Tech: how to label CD
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 13 Aug 10 - 11:23 AM

Rob, thanks for the update on the return of vinyl. Next we will learn that Twinkies are good for you.

Martin, thanks for the info on Sharpies. I too was concerned about the solvent in them. Why don't I write the name on the bottom of the CD?

Suibhen, I just heard some interesting early music live - it was a Vivaldi concerto featuring the viola d'amore. That is an instrument like a viola, but with 14 strings - 7 to play and 7 to resonate. There are only three professionals in the US who play it.

It was impressive to look over the player's shoulder and see 14 tuning pegs. The other soloist was a lutenist - not exactly common, either. It was a real treat.


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Subject: RE: Tech: how to label CD
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 13 Aug 10 - 11:34 AM

Beautiful! I was looking at viola d'amore in a Manchester (UK) music shop the other week; drooling more like. Do you know there's a Viola d'Amore Society of America? I bet they have some fun.


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Subject: RE: Tech: how to label CD
From: beeliner
Date: 13 Aug 10 - 04:52 PM

Contrary to what you might expect, the layer of the CD that carries the data is on the 'top' of the disk, right under the printed/laquered/coated/whatever layer.

That is not only contrary to what I might expect, but also contrary to fact.

If you have a CD player that opens, rather than the slotted kind, you can see the laser UNDER where the CD seats.

If you burn a CD or DVD, you can see the etched portion on the bottom of the disc, though its visibility varies depending on the burning method used. There is no change in the top surface at all.

If you insist that you are correct, please provide documentation.


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Subject: RE: Tech: how to label CD
From: treewind
Date: 13 Aug 10 - 05:01 PM

"That is not only contrary to what I might expect, but also contrary to fact."
Yes and no, in that order.

Martin is right.
The laser looks though the transparent bottom of the CD, but the layer with the pits is just under the top surface.

This will do: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Disc#Physical_details


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Subject: RE: Tech: how to label CD
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Aug 10 - 05:30 PM

try here www.tape.com or http://www.deltamedia.com/


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Subject: RE: Tech: how to label CD
From: beeliner
Date: 13 Aug 10 - 06:19 PM

The laser looks though the transparent bottom of the CD, but the layer with the pits is just under the top surface.

Ah, well, in that case I apologize; I thought he was saying that it is the top surface that is etched. That would be "right under" the Sharpie markings.

You say "just under". That is a little more ominous. How far is 'just'?

If I mark my finger with a Sharpie, the markings don't injure or dissolve my skin. Whether I leave them there two minutes or two weeks, they come off with a little soap and rubbing, and afterward, there's no damage to or change in the skin visible to the nekkid eye. Difficult to imagine how they could permeate tough plastic.


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Subject: RE: Tech: how to label CD
From: treewind
Date: 13 Aug 10 - 07:05 PM

You say "just under". That is a little more ominous. How far is 'just'?
According to the linked article there's only a layer of lacquer on top, or according to Martin in the case of printable CDs, a slightly thicker layer of inkjet printable white stuff.

It's the lacquer that might dissolve, I assume.


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Subject: RE: Tech: how to label CD
From: beeliner
Date: 13 Aug 10 - 07:37 PM

Well, you have tweeked my interest, and I might rejoin the discussion later after doing some research.

I market a line of specialty DVD's, on recordable media, there just isn't enough volume to have them pressed, I used to mark them with a Sharpie, now I use a rubber stamp and ink formulated for non-pourous surfaces.

I have avoided Lightscribed labels as they increase my cost and are reputed to shorten the life of the laser.

It's difficult for me to believe there's nothing but a coat of lacquer separating any markings from the actual data - somehow that just doesn't ring true, but I'll investigate further because I don't want failures after the sale, obviously.

So far, after hundreds of sales, I've had only ONE return, and that was a clearly defective disc + inadequate QC on my part.


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