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GUEST,Ed 23 Sep 10 - 07:08 AM
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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: mikesamwild
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 07:37 AM

Nick is now a Director at Albion Folk Ltd in Northampton so he got on his bike. Good luck to the venture!


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 23 Sep 10 - 07:08 AM

Watching from a distance, I have to say that I'm with Alan and Greg. Richard B spouts a good deal of nonsense.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Alan Day
Date: 23 Sep 10 - 07:00 AM

I agree with you Greg, this posting is not one of concern of direction as voiced by Richard and what most of us would agree with,it seems to be a posting to stir up problems for the EFDSS which may have no substance.
Please list what you are concerned about and the facts so that we can all make a judgement.
Al


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: greg stephens
Date: 23 Sep 10 - 06:49 AM

banjoman: if you think there is enough wrong with the EFDSS to make the Charity Commisioners look into it, why not tell us what your concerns are? Vague insinuations and mutterings don't do a lot for this situation, if it is indeed a situation. Put your money where your mouth is.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: banjoman
Date: 23 Sep 10 - 06:42 AM

I happen to know of one person who was interviewed for the recently advertised post. No result advised.
However, having spent some time reading through this thread, I have to conclude that for once I completely concur with the views of Richard Bridge. There is a lot wrong with EFDSS and I feel that unless things alter then the Charity Commissioners may start to have a close look at how it runs


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Alan Day
Date: 22 Sep 10 - 12:07 PM

Richard and Dick the reasons for your postings regarding EFDSS direction is understood and your concerns, but as Surrey Singer says there is no firm evidence of any wrong doing on any ones part. If this information came from anywhere I would suspect that there would be a strong possibility that NH was a bit miffed at not getting his contract renewed and voiced that to somebody.This is only speculation however and not based on any fact.
Al


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Surreysinger
Date: 22 Sep 10 - 09:54 AM

Richard - who said that? It's a third person quote, taken from a petition set up by someone who didn't even put their own name to the petition, all of which has contributed to the existence of this thread. It's not a comment made in public by any of the parties to the events in question, and, in my books, is hearsay. Until such time as I hear something publicly expressed by any of the parties who DO know something about the events concerned first hand I would not dream of starting to criticise, or express an opinion on the matter. Incidentally, are you actually a member of the EFDSS ... if so, go give your happorth at the AGM.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: GUEST,Morris-ey
Date: 22 Sep 10 - 09:51 AM

What is the source of that quote?

The direction of the organisation is quite separate from the issue of who does or does not work there.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Sep 10 - 09:46 AM

I agree,Richard.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Sep 10 - 09:28 AM

Here's the quote about the reason for termination or non-renewal (a you please): "because he "does not understand the organisation and what it's about.""

Many seem to have felt that he understood it very well, and that the alleged reason therefore smacked of a rejection of the nature of the work he had done.

If that is so then there is a question of the direction of the organisation. That is not just an issue for members, but is a matter of wider relevance since charities enjoy benefits and have obligations as matters of public law.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Surreysinger
Date: 22 Sep 10 - 08:31 AM

>> Having read most of the postings on this subject I cannot understand why this discussion is rolling on rudderless.
Or me, Al. Nothing new has been raised in any of the posts added in the last few days, and things have rolled on in the world. If the parties concerned most intimately - ie ex-employee and employer - have not taken it to appeal, or beyond, then this really is flogging a dead horse pointlessly. (Interestingly enough, I think the marketing post that was advertised at the time of Nick Hallam's departure was _not_ a like-for-like replacement, which smacks more of organisational reform/reorganisation. At the end of the day a short term post is just that .. a temporary one)


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Alan Day
Date: 22 Sep 10 - 07:13 AM

Having read most of the postings on this subject I cannot understand why this discussion is rolling on rudderless.
From what I understand of it all Nick Hallam was employed on a short term contract which he served admirably. At the end of the contract, that was it. He was not sacked and no new contract was offered, so what. The EFDSS decided that there was no need to create another contract and they are perfectly entitled to do that as his employer. Until someone proves to me that the EFDSS are not doing a good job ,I am happy to see them get on with it. There seems to be more
activity and drive about the current board and at some point you have to accept that they are doing the job to the best of their abilities, if you take the opposite view then put yourself forward for election, or at least voice your opposition to the way it is being run to those in charge.
Al


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe
Date: 22 Sep 10 - 06:55 AM

Its a membership organisation so we (I am a member)do have more of a say - but the lines get blurred. We dont have a say in operational day to day matters but have an input into direction and overall policy. Yes I also think the specifics of hiring and firing are not an appropriate subject for net forums
Spleen Cringe/Nigel


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Old Vermin
Date: 22 Sep 10 - 05:51 AM

From, I think, Richard Bridge "EFDSS is the titular flagship organisation of English folk music (and dance)"

Much amused at the idea of the stuff I do having a flagship.

The metaphor suggests that we are sailing wayward dinghies on varying courses.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 22 Sep 10 - 03:55 AM

Are you going to raise the matter at the AGM? It's in November so there's probably still time to become a member and propose a motion.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Sep 10 - 03:54 AM

Many Mudcatters have been members of EFDSS for most of their lives, so they have a feeling of "ownership" of the organisation. You can't blame them for being curious about the reason for the sacking of Nick Hallam, even though I agree that the subject is not appropriate for open discussion on an Internet forum.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: GUEST,Morris-ey
Date: 22 Sep 10 - 03:21 AM

It does not matter whether an organisation is a charity or not, the simple fact is you have no entitlement to be consulted about who they hire or fire.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Sep 10 - 02:51 AM

The key question, Guest, would seem to be whether the end of the appointment does involve a change of direction of the charity, or a continuation in a questionable direction.   That question would seem to be raised by the stated references to "not understanding the organisation" or whatever the exact quote so far above was.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Sep 10 - 02:47 AM

RB said: "The EFDSS is a registered charity... The way in which the charity serves the public and its perspectives on the arts within (in this case) those bounds are therefore matters of legitimate public concern."

Not convinced (as in this case) this assertion can be extended to include internal human resourcing issues. If we were talking major policy change, maybe. In any case, the way forward is to become a paying member and air concerns through the appropriate channels.

As to the specifics, if I was NH, an internet forum and all that entails would be the last place I'd want them chewed over.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 06:16 PM

For the reasons I set out above the reasons of the EFDSS impact its public function and so are of legitimate public concern.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 05:12 PM

why are you so insistent that it should be dropped?
it doesnt matter now who was right?


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 05:00 PM

Richard Bridge wrote:-

"Your point, Matthew, precisely?"

My point was that this argument is over; adding to it doesn't help anyone. This thread has passed on. It has expired. This is a dead topic.

Nick Hallam has moved on. The EDFSS will go on without him. Good luck to them both.

It doesn't matter now who was right. Raise the issue by all means at the AGM if you are a member of the Society, but otherwise please let it drop.

Matthew


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 04:28 PM

Your point, Matthew, precisely?

The EFDSS is a registered charity number 305999. The concept behind the various advantages that attach to being of charitable status is public benefit (of various kinds, subject to the recent Charities Act). The way in which the charity serves the public and its perspectives on the arts within (in this case) those bounds are therefore matters of legitimate public concern.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 12:14 PM

If anyone else feels they have something to add, please would they check this first.

Matthew


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: GUEST,Jimmy Nail
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 12:10 PM

What business is this of mine? Why did you bother to post it on a website I may accidentally look at? Now, I have no choice but to get very self-righteous about the whole thing.

Hmmph.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 11:57 AM

It is a matter of legitimate concern to the folk constituency. It isn't simply a matter of private employment law.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Vic Smith
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 10:53 AM

url not found

Yes, well though most sources could cope with just the "www" abberviation, Mudcat cannot so you need the full http://www.frusion.co.uk/

Not that you will find anything about Nick Hallam on that site, as Nick's employment there seems to be a temporary arrangement until he gets his own business fully set up.

Good luck to him in this venture.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: GUEST,Morris-ey
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 10:25 AM

Richard

What do you mean by "a matter of legitimate concern"?

Do/did you employ this person?

Are/were you legally entitled to be consulted as to his employment or dismissal?

Do you normally involve yourself in employment issues based on hearsay?


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 09:50 AM

Morris-ey

The EFDSS is the titular flagship organisation of English folk music (and dance) so its direction is a matter of legitimate concern.

If the employment decisions of such an organisation give cause for concern about its policies and priorities within that remit then that too is a matter of legitimate concern.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 09:48 AM

I don't think there is any need to go through the arguments again, GUEST, Morris-ey. Thanks to Vic for posting the news; I'm glad to hear that Nick Hallam's talents are being well used in his new position, and I wish him every success in the post.

Matthew


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: GUEST,Morris-ey
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 09:34 AM

"url not found"

I have no idea who Nick Hallam is, nor do I care.

What astonishes me is that anyone here thinks they have should a say in any employer/employee relations of any organisation. I am similarly concerned that all this results from what is, frankly, hearsay.

Where on this board, or elsewhere, did Hallam, personally, make this complaint?

Frankly, if any employee chooses to ask, encourage, or suborn others to raise a petition on their behalf – I would sack them for that alone.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Vic Smith
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 08:37 AM

An email circular from the prominent Folk/Roots/World music agency Frusion - www.frusion.co.uk - informs that Nick Hallam has now joined them, at least in the short term. The relevant part of the circular says:-
Hello good morning or maybe good afternoon if you've got round to opening your email late in he day ( happens to us too!) or good evening if you're reading this whilst grabbing a glass or two :-)

Its time to introduce to you our new agent ( and a couple of new acts too! ) Mr Nick Hallam, a great guy and until recently working in the UK at EFDSS , and before that at a number of excellent UK venues including De Montfort Hall , Royal and Derngate ..well the list goes on.

The good news is that Nick is a great arts professional well used to the vagaries of working in venues and with a great overview of what it takes to put on a great show. His specialism is English Folk , but he goes far beyond that of course in working with us here at Frusion. Though all of the acts you can of course still talk to me about , your main man is Nick for these artists.

A couple of the acts you'll see "in association with Nick Hallam" and these artists have been brought to Frusion by Nick as he will be forming his own agency .. so this being the start we've got them under the Frusion banner so you'll get the normal deal from us with all the shows serviced from Frusion's offices in the UK , it makes no difference at all to how we work. ( in fact in the next couple of months watch out for Nick's own website and brand springing up very soon! )


In particular, he will be responsible for working with O'Hooley & Tidow and Hannah James and Sam Sweeney
You can email Nick by clicking here

------------Link fixed. JoeClone


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Folknacious
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 11:07 AM

events at Cecil Sharp House

BBC 3 broadcaster Verity Sharp


Sudden revalationary thought. Are they by any chance related? Folkie dynasties and all that.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 11:05 AM

Rosie Pagan? Is that a made-up name???


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 11:00 AM

That's the background info on the organization. The position opening is for an assistant to the Marketing Administrator, with these duties (available at the link Vic posted):

JOB DESCRIPTION

Job Title: Temporary Marketing Assistant (2-3 days per week)

Based at: Cecil Sharp House, 2 Regent's Park Road, London, NW1 7AY

Responsible to: Marketing Manager

Responsible for: Volunteer Marketing Assistants

Summary Job Purpose: Assisting the EFDSS Marketing Manager by providing general administrative
support for marketing of EFDSS, all of its programmes, activities and projects.

KEY RESPONSIBILITIES:

• Compiling monthly 'What's On' listings of events at Cecil Sharp House.
• Adding listings of EFDSS' events and activities to online listings sites.
• Adding regional member group's events to the EFDSS website.   
• Updating and compiling databases.
• Co-ordinating and implementing mail outs - recruiting volunteers to assist with this when needed.
• Designing of both digital and paper marketing materials on request of the Marketing Manager.
• Carrying out research for the 'Folk Song a Day' online resource and other projects around
increasing public awareness of the folk music and dance sector.
• Working with the Education team to update and create Education databases and assist with
Education mail outs.
• Assisting the Society and Marketing Administrator with the distribution and creation of print and
posters around Cecil Sharp House.   
• Be an Ambassador for the Society.
• Carry out any other duties that may be reasonably requested.

PERSON SPECIFICATION

Essential:
• Computer and internet literate.
• An understanding of social media and online marketing.
• Ability to multi-task.
• Understanding of Microsoft Word and Excel.
• Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
• Good people person and a team player.
• Administrative experience in a similar role within the arts or PR industries.

Desirable:
• Interest in folk arts, music, dance, arts education and participatory arts.
• A keen eye for design and an understanding of print media.
• Competence using Adobe Photoshop or other design packages.

Qualities:
• Positive, enthusiastic, proactive and keen to use your own initiative in an extremely busy fast-moving
team environment.
• Attention to detail.
• Resilience – ability to cope well with change and challenge.

CONDITIONS OF EMPLOYMENT

Salary: £18,000 pro rata.

Hours: 2-3 days per week depending on workload.

Term: This post is fixed term until Friday 17th December 2010.

Probation: This post carries a 1 month probation period.   

HOW TO APPLY

Applicants should complete the EFDSS application form, CVs will not be accepted. Applications can be
made by e-mail to recruitment@efdss.org or by post to:

Rosie Pagan
Operations Director
EFDSS
Cecil Sharp House
2 Regent's Park Road
London, NW1 7AY

Closing date is 5.30pm on Wed 8th September. Interviews will be held at Cecil Sharp House on Friday
Thurs 16th September.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Vic Smith
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 10:52 AM

Ken said:-
There's a new development in this story today - EFDSS temporary maketing assistant post announced. The background info puts some perspective on what they're generally up to as well.
Ken


Here it is as a press release /job advert circular. I reproduce it in full below. It sounds like it might be a nice quiet job, not in the least controversial from what I have read on this thread:-

The EFDSS have announced a vacancy for a temporary marketing assistant.

See http://www.efdss.org/front/vacancies/vacancies/214217


ENGLISH FOLK DANCE AND SONG SOCIETY
TEMPORARY MARKETING ASSISTANT
(2-3 DAYS PER WEEK, DEPENDING ON WORKLOAD)

BACKGROUND INFORMATION

The EFDSS is a national folk arts development organisation. It is multi-faceted being a membership society with nearly 4000 members, an arts venue (Cecil Sharp House), an education, training and development agency, a publisher, an advocate and lobbyist, and the custodian of the Vaughan Williams Memorial Library, which is the only dedicated folk arts library and archive in the UK.

The Society is going through a major period of change. It was reviewed and restructured in 2007 with the objective of re-positioning itself as the leading folk arts agency in England.

To meet the aim of reviving the Society we are increasing and diversifying our activities to bring the folk arts to a wider public. During the past two years the Society has:-

• Received a grant of £154k from the Heritage Lottery Fund for a major archiving and national education project using six of the song collections in our archive (Take Six project).
• Introduced its own regular programme of events at Cecil Sharp House including The Irrepressible Tradition music season, showcasing the best new talent on the folk music circuit.
• Worked with partners to produce events e.g. Mary Neal Project, National Gallery, Sadler's Wells, BFI, Miles of Smiles, The Local, The London Gypsy Orchestra.
• 'EFDSS on the Move' – supporting programmes at the Cambridge, Sidmouth and Furness Folk Festivals, summer 2009.
• Introduced a Family Friendly programme of events.
• Invited external programmers such as BBC 3 broadcaster Verity Sharp, who curated 'Apple Day' in October 2009.
• Developed a visual arts programme.
• Developed a professional development programme including the appointment of an artist-in-residence post (visual artist) and run a choreographic project for professional choreographers on morris and contemporary dance forms.
• Expanded our education programme into new contexts and areas and is developing opportunities for training teachers in the folk arts.

Over the next 5 years EFDSS will continue to develop -
• Cecil Sharp House as the folk arts centre in London.
• Outreach and education programmes to impact on the national curriculum and the training of music and dance artists and teachers.
• Advocacy and lobbying on behalf of the folk arts working in association with other folk arts agencies and organisations.
• Develop partnerships with a broad range of organisations to attract new audiences and to widen the profile of the Society.
• Prepare for a major capital project to provide the library with increased and climatically suitable space for its ever growing collections.

In October 2009 EFDSS became a Regularly Funded Organisation of Arts Council England's Music Department. The Society is now looking to a whole new area of development as the Folk Development Agency for England and as part of this process is developing the Marketing Department to communicate the aims of the Society and to market the EFDSS programme of events and activities; both at Cecil Sharp House and beyond, to both a folk and a non-folk audience.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Folknacious
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 09:35 AM

There's a new development in this story today - EFDSS temporary maketing assistant post announced. The background info puts some perspective on what they're generally up to as well.
Ken


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 24 Aug 10 - 06:44 AM

Dick, I am not really anonymous and I can be contacted by PM. Folkfan can't be contacted at all - I tried the link on the petition page.

I'm pretty sure my identity has been revealed on the forum before but if you really need to know without a search then I am Paul Draper of London and I am an EFDSS member.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: mayomick
Date: 23 Aug 10 - 06:14 PM

Have any of you considered that this might all be a big wind-up? It could be all part of a slick marketing strategy devised by Hallam himself to get the EFDSS much-needed publicity .They could be up to the same tricks as the jokers at the Wookey Holes Cave theme park in Somerset. Have people been following it?

"Painting your face green and dressing in a witch's costume might be an effective enough disguise for most people, but not Fiona Robertson.
Robertson chucked a sickie to audition for Britain's most popular TV talent show, The X-Factor, in April but was recognised by her bosses yesterday when pictures of her singing a number from hit musical Wicked were used to promote the show's forthcoming season.
The giveaway? The 25-year-old children's entertainer was wearing her work uniform."
For the full story just follow this magic blue clicky link I have created to the Green Witch story :
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/green-but-not-sick-employee-busted-on-tv-show-20100820-12w43.html?from=smh_sb

The Wookey Caves theme park crowd are now inviting people to contact them to help them decide if Fionna should get the sack or not .
Daniel Medley, Director of Wookey Hole Caves told the press ,
'I was genuinely shocked when I saw our Witch in the papers, she was even wearing her Wookey Witch costume! And to think she may have taken a day's sick leave as well to attend the audition, this is just totally unacceptable and we are considering disciplinary action'.

This is from the Wookey Witch website .
"Bosses are making up their mind whether to sack the Witch of Wookey or to let her stay in post for the rest of her contract – we want you to help us decide – should the Witch of Wookey stay or should she go????

Vote for the Wookey Witch – should she stay or should she go? You decide….."
http://www.wookey.co.uk/web/great-witch-sacking-–-not-again


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Continuity Jones
Date: 23 Aug 10 - 03:25 PM

This discussion reminds me of the Brass Eye episode about peodophilia which was broadcast and then shot down by numerous do-gooders, 96% of whom had never seen it. Except in this case, I'd suggest that the amount of people ignorantly hypothesising about why Nick was sacked (on both sides of the argument) is far higher than 96%.

But I tell you this, if he was sacked for throwing stones at an immigrant then we should string him up!

But if he was sacked for stopping a BNP man throwing stones at an immigrant, then he should be made a Knight!

All! Or nothing! But in complete ignorance!


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Howard Jones
Date: 23 Aug 10 - 03:18 PM

That's right, and not just in the Arts sector. It's a rough world out there and it's not always fair.

Besides, we don't know for certain what was said, because both parties are understandably refusing to debate this in public. All we have is an unsubstantiated comment quoted in the original petition by someone anonymous. Perhaps it's completely accurate, or perhaps it's inaccurate or taken out of context - we simply don't know.

I very much doubt whether any public statement will contain anything other than anodyne comments, and based on my own recent experience any settlement may well be covered by a confidentiality clause so its unlikely that we'll ever know for certain, although bits may leak out via "friends of friends".


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: GUEST,Uncle Rumpo
Date: 23 Aug 10 - 02:53 PM

"it seems an ungracious way to thank somebody, by sacking them, and saying what they have said"

.. wouldn't be the first or last time that kind of injustice is inflicted on good valuable people
in the ruthlessly capricious/vindictive Arts and Community Projects employment sector...


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Aug 10 - 02:39 PM

maybe, maybe not, why not just think about the question without seeing conspiracies, and let people sign if they want to, I have heard about a big improvement in the last 5 years, NICK has played a part in this with a number of other people, it seems an ungracious way to thank somebody, by sacking them, and saying what they have said.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Howard Jones
Date: 23 Aug 10 - 01:59 PM

I would turn the question around? Why should the person starting the petition feel the need to remain anonymous?

They may have good reasons - perhaps they are employed by the EFDSS or serve on the committee or are otherwise closely involved, and fear repercussions. Nevertheless their anonymity raises questions, and suspicions that they may have a hidden agenda.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Aug 10 - 12:45 PM

manitas,
i have no idea of your identity , apart from the fact that you have some connection with LTS, So you to use the mantle of anonymity, [as I do] that is reasonable,[but I frequently sign myself Dick Miles, thus: everyone knows who GSS is]why? is it not reasonable that the author of the petition remains anonymous.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Aug 10 - 09:24 AM

well it aint me, manitas


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 23 Aug 10 - 07:35 AM

OTOH, why shouldn't they identify themselves? What has Folkfan got to hide. You can't ask EFDSS to conduct their affairs in public while not expecting the same of the author of a petition against it's decisions


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Aug 10 - 04:02 PM

why should they, Howard?
please go back to the beginning and if you want sign the petition.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Howard Jones
Date: 22 Aug 10 - 03:41 PM

I'd forgotten about the petition. That has rather dropped out of the discussion. I suspect anyone coming to the thread in response to Dick's "refresh" would have had to go right back to the beginning to learn about the petition.

Has the person who started the petition identified themselves yet?


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Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Aug 10 - 03:05 PM

While there is a privacy issue, there is also a matter of public importance - namely the impact of whatever is behind the assertion that the departing officer failed to understand the organisation, when many seem to think that he plainly did and was very instrumental in its preservation and progress. The institution itself is of public importance being a repository of our cultural heritage, so its survival and progress, and things that impact that survival and progress are or public importance too.


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