EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 Aug 10 - 04:27 PM

Oh, Poooooooooo, Tim! SMILE for gawd's sake...

Hey, how about a new genre...English Smiley Folk?

Ooh noooooo, that'd *never* work!

:0) <

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 Aug 10 - 04:41 PM

"could you explain to me why, for years, they verbally punched the hell out of Show of Hands, saying they weren't 'folk'"

Who did? Where? Provide evidence that anyone at EFDSS or Cecil Sharp House ever said this, or retract it as the outright lie that it is.


"THEN they have Goldfrapp performing at Sharpingham Palace?

Beats me, that's fer sure...but hell, what do I know..?"

What indeed? The Goldfrapp gig happened as part of the BBC Electric Proms when they took place in lots of venues in Camden. A money-spinner, I'm sure, but not programmed by EFDSS. So the answer to your question would appear to be "not a lot".


"And how come Jim Moray's the Traddies darling, doing all that electronicwhirlyjerlyderly stuff, but Seth Lakeman is a big nonononononono....."

If you're referring to the fact that Jim has been booked and Seth hasn't, maybe you could have a word with your friend Seth and see if he'd do CSH a deal on his fee - I'm sure they'd be happy to have him. Knowing how much he normally goes out for, it would be impossible to book him into a venue the size of Cecil Sharp House without losing shedloads of money, which would explain his absence from the programme.

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Old Vermin
Date: 18 Aug 10 - 04:44 PM

Would it be totally and utterly unfair of me to consider joining the EFDSS for the entertainment value of the feuding?

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 Aug 10 - 04:45 PM

Ha! Flushed out at long last, eh? NOW you can answer the questions your people have been asking....

(I knew Goldfrapp would do it!) ;0)

There ya go, folks...she's all yours...I'm off back to Facebook....

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 Aug 10 - 04:46 PM

Ooh, YES, Old Ratty, that'd be great! (sorry, just had to say that before I vrooooom!) :0)

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 Aug 10 - 04:51 PM

Lizzie: fuck off. There's a dear.

"My" people? I left the Board of EFDSS several months ago, so it's nothing to do with me. Sorry to disappoint.

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 18 Aug 10 - 04:58 PM

Dear stirrers:

Nick Hallam either wants to continue working at the EFDSS or he doesn't.

If he doesn't, a campaign to reinstate him at all costs is not doing him a lot of good. Having a reputation as a destructive social-network-abusing troublemaker won't do a lot for his employment prospects elsewhere.

If he does, slagging off the EFDSS as being an organization too stupid to live makes him look like an idiot for wanting to stay there.

Either way, the line you're taking is not helpful.

(In the absence of any concrete information at all, I see no reason why a parting of the ways on terms of mutual respect should not be a feasible outcome. Sorry if you have tabloid expectations that every dispute has to be conducted like a celebrity bust-up or football sacking).

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Old Vermin
Date: 18 Aug 10 - 04:59 PM

[clears throat, spits on floor, wipes cider from beard with sleeve]

Jim Moray the darling of traddies? What?
Seen the man a couple of times - most recently at last Towersey was bored stiff within ten minutes and went back to the Ceilidh tent.

As for Lakeman - stood through a festival gig of his this summer. Instruments too bloody loud. Perfectly comprehensible except when he started singing. Pop. Being male and over - say - forty I'm really not his target demographic.

Perhaps folk benefits by being done on a shoe-string for love rather than money? Discuss, please, while I go and get another Sheppys.

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 18 Aug 10 - 05:52 PM

I started this thread in hopes of finding out any pertinent facts on this and what it means for the EFDSS, and I (along with several others) made repeatedly the point that speculation was not required, helpful or indeed welcome. Some people here (and it is obvious to any reader who they are) ignored that, strayed off the point and more or less shat all over the thread and my intentions. Thanks.
Not.

I should have known better than take a serious subject to the Cat...

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Old Vermin
Date: 18 Aug 10 - 06:31 PM

Mr P, may I humbly suggest that any available information has been gathered here. If not, then perhaps because it is not available. You take my inelegantly expressed point?

That being so, it might be asking rather a lot of human nature to take the unfortunate gentlemen concerned - and one feels for him - and indeed the EFDSS so earnestly as to exclude all levity or indeed rancour.

Have you tried simply asking the officers for a statement? If it has not been forthcoming, then should you be seeking confidential information?

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 18 Aug 10 - 06:43 PM

Mr V (can I call you Old? let's be friendly), Matthew Edwards gave the published Board's statement in his post of 18 Aug 10 - 09:30 AM above. I repeat it here: "The board of EFDSS is aware of the debate on folk music internet forums concerning Nick Hallam. However the board and senior management of EFDSS must deal with internal procedures in a private and confidential manner."

OK, it's a holding statement, so I am prepared to hold fire. I am all for levity and levitating, not least because I am gravitationally challenged myself, and I have also been known to crack inappropriate jokes, now and again - mostly again. It's just that this subject didn't feel condusive for such treatment.

I said I am prepared to hold fire, so for now I'm aout of here.
Have a good evening.

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 06:59 AM

Dick, Eliza's comments about Lizzie seem to apply to you as well. You are both out of touch and irrelevant. Something EFDSS increasingly generally ISN'T these days. It isn't "the 19890's" any more (when was that, anyway???? ...no, don't answer, I'll die of ennui)
my comments are not irrelevant in fact they are relevant, I asked
was NICK HALLAM trying to make it less london biased?was that threason he was sacked.
that is not EFDSS beating, it is asking a Pertinent question.

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: GUEST,Liz C
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 07:04 AM

I suspect that Liza C and Lizzie C are both in fact one and the same person. Evidence? Well,    I've never seen them both in the same room - have you? Same goes for Dick Miles and Noel Edmonds btw, although the evidence there is stronger as they wear identical jumpers.

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 07:14 AM

"However all these parties do have a legitimate interest in asking what the Society sees its role to be"

I thought this was all laid out in the Annual Report.

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 07:50 AM

I am not out of touch, I have been asking questions which ought to be answered, what was the reason for his sacking?
my other post asked what does the society intend to do about the library?how does the society intend to deal with the library re expansion .
Anahata[treewind] and Tim Radford, before you jump down my throat read my posts carefully.
THE EFDSS has become less relevant than it was in the 1950/1960/1970, because it no longer organises festivals, because it has closed its shop, because it no longer has the network of branches that it used to
many folk clubs are now organised without any affiliation to the EFDSS, the only society/group organising tuition on a national basis is Comhaltas.
this is not EFDSS bashing but stating facts, EFDSS is handicapped by not receiving the same funding as Comhaltas, but its present situation is partly due to previous poor management, for example Comhaltas is run in a more business like manner, their fleadhs and exams and competitions generate a lot of income, these are all facts.

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 08:06 AM

the relevance of the above post should be obvious ,but I will spell it out , is this another poor decision [along with those I have mentioned] by the board?

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: mattkeen
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 08:07 AM

Its irrelevant Dick cos all the things you list that the EFDSS no longer shows that you do not understand what is relevant for the organisation. Who needs the EFDSS to organise festivals for fXXks sake! We need it to be doing exactly what it has started to do in the last few years. Communicate better; take into account a younger audience; promote the music and educate

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 08:10 AM

The shop hasn't closed. It's on-line at http://folkshop.efdss.org/. do keep up!

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: greg stephens
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 08:16 AM

Dick: it is not very relevant here, but as you stated your opinion so vehemently, I will also mention mine. Firstly, I have zero interest in the EFDSS using its resources in organising festivals. That is a job others are doing very adequately. Also my interest in its organising competitions, in a business-like or un-business-like fashion,is in the region of zero.

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: treewind
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 09:11 AM

"I am not out of touch"
Then don't bring up non-issues like being London-centric, which is old news.

"I have been asking questions which ought to be answered, what was the reason for his sacking?"
First, that adds no weight to your claim not to be out of touch. Anyone can ask questions.
Second, of course we'd all LIKE to know what happened but a person's employment status is a private matter between him and his employer. Even other EFDSS employees don't have an automatic right to know the answer to that question. Still less, members of the society who are not employees, and as it's a matter of public record that you are not even an EFDSS member you really are a long way down the pecking order of "right to know". This is not our elected government...

"my other post asked what does the society intend to do about the library? how does the society intend to deal with the library re expansion"

Irrelevant to this thread.
In any case the library is not a problem area in terms of services provided with the resources available, and the recent work putting it on the web is surely a good move.

Lack of resources is another matter, but since the EFDSS has several recent fundraising achievements behind it, that hardly seems a topic for urgent critical investigation either.

Anahata

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: John P
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 09:59 AM

I posted this three days ago. Many of you apparently need to read it again and again and again until you understand the basic concepts involoved. In short, GET A CLUE!

If you were sacked, would you want the details to be aired and discussed on a website? If you were an employer, in which universe would it be appropriate to discuss the contents of an employee's personnel folder with a bunch of anonymous people on Mudcat?

I work for a company that is part of the folk music community, and have sometimes had to sack people who are well-known members of the local folk scene. This is never done without lots of long discussions, soul-searching, and being very sure that there isn't another solution. Almost everything I've seen in this thread so far has been very similar to I've experienced in those situations: people who don't know (and shouldn't know!) the details feel free to make comments and insist that the organization that did the sacking "explain themselves". I've been accosted at parties with "what the hell are you people doing over there"? Unfortunately, as an employer, it would be rude, inappropriate, damaging, and possibly illegal to give any substantive details.

If you are a member of the organization, contact them and find out what they have to say. If you disagree with what they say, start working for change in your organization. If you're not a member, you have no standing to say anything at all.

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: greg stephens
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 10:32 AM

I agree with a lot of what John P says, but I have to take eaception to his opinion "If you're not a member, you have no standing to say anything at all". This is pure baloney. The government, in its infinite wisdom, allocates funding to arts organisations by various routes, in this case chiefly through Arts Council England. Arts Council England in its turn assesses the merits of various organisations and people connected with folk music, and allocates funds to some and not to others. Now, it is entirely right and proper that any tax payer(or anybody else for that matter) who is interested in folk music should feel free to discuss this, to criticise, to enquire about the use the grants are put to, etc etc. It doesn't matter one jot whether you are a member of the EFDSS or not.
In this particular case, however, I haven't the remotest idea why Nick Hallam was sacked and will therefore not be passing an opinion(unlike some!).

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 10:46 AM

RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: GUEST,Liz C - PM
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 07:04 AM

I suspect that Liza C and Lizzie C are both in fact one and the same person. Evidence? Well,    I've never seen them both in the same room - have you? Same goes for Dick Miles and Noel Edmonds btw, although the evidence there is stronger as they wear identical jumpers. <<<

:0)

Nope, I'm me, not she. And it's 'eliza c' not 'liza'...'cos liza with an 'e' goes er..er...

Anyway, Joe says I have to go sit on the Naughty Step in this thread, and I have some gruel to eat too...But that attitude just goes to show how humourless those who adore the EFSDSSDFFD are, 'cos if you can't enjoy a good giggle, yes, even over traditional folk music, how are you going to attract others in?

Right..Naughty Step here I come!   :0)

Actually, I'm going to sit on the Naughty Twohey Step and remember back to the first ever Sidmouth Folk Week when Duncan McFarlane and his band blew the roof of the Ham Marquee with their brilliant electric folk music, filled with enthusiasm and excitement and all that's GOOD about the folk world. Heck but that was such a great night!

You can hear it here...and I'll be good now, Joe, 'cos my feet are tapping to the Twohey Step on my Naughty Step..

DMcF Band - 'The Twohey Step'

It gets better, because here they are at that very Sidmouth gig!
DMcF Band and 'Jigalo' - Live at the first Sidmouth Folk Week

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 11:10 AM

I think this, from John P above, should be reposted every other post:

"I posted this three days ago. Many of you apparently need to read it again and again and again until you understand the basic concepts involoved. In short, GET A CLUE!

If you were sacked, would you want the details to be aired and discussed on a website? If you were an employer, in which universe would it be appropriate to discuss the contents of an employee's personnel folder with a bunch of anonymous people on Mudcat?

I work for a company that is part of the folk music community, and have sometimes had to sack people who are well-known members of the local folk scene. This is never done without lots of long discussions, soul-searching, and being very sure that there isn't another solution. Almost everything I've seen in this thread so far has been very similar to I've experienced in those situations: people who don't know (and shouldn't know!) the details feel free to make comments and insist that the organization that did the sacking "explain themselves". I've been accosted at parties with "what the hell are you people doing over there"? Unfortunately, as an employer, it would be rude, inappropriate, damaging, and possibly illegal to give any substantive details.

If you are a member of the organization, contact them and find out what they have to say. If you disagree with what they say, start working for change in your organization. If you're not a member, you have no standing to say anything at all."

With all due respect

L in C#
EFDSS member - just about and with many reservations

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 11:16 AM

treewind,you say i am a long way down the pecking order.
greg stephens says quote
" Now, it is entirely right and proper that any tax payer(or anybody else for that matter) who is interested in folk music should feel free to discuss this, to criticise, to enquire about the use the grants are put to, etc etc. It doesn't matter one jot whether you are a member of the EFDSS or not. "
Treewind,I have been a member of the EFDSS in the past, I have also been performing in folk clubs and at folk festivals for over 35 years[quite possibly longer than you], I have also run a number of folk clubs, I reckon that gives me a right to know why someone has been sacked from the EFDSS or not regardless of whether I am currently a member.
Treewind,I am not out of touch at all, to me it is blatantly obvious that the EFDSS is london biased, it is also clear [whether you like this idea or not] that Comhaltas is the only organisation providing tution on a national basis in England , that Comhaltas makes alot of money out of their fleadhs, examinations and competitions, the fleadhs also provide much needed money to the host towns and help to boost the national economy.
IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THIS PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG WITH FACTS AND FIGURES
I have many criticisms of Comhaltas , but they are IMO much more business like than the EFDSS.

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 11:19 AM

As a long term member of EFDSS, the facts as far as I can ascertain are that Nick Hallam has been employed by EFDSS on a series of short term contracts, the second of which is curtainly up for renewal.

Apart from that, to read the previous posts, it would appear that the Borg have landed in North London and assimilated the EFDSS Board.

Once I know more, I shall feel free to comment.

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: BTNG
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 12:55 PM

It's 19th August 2010 and Nick Hallam is still listed as being on staff at the EFDSS [e-mail].

quite frankley this endless speculation and innuendo is getting really rather tiresome.

"this, from John P above, should be reposted every other post:

"I posted this three days ago. Many of you apparently need to read it again and again and again until you understand the basic concepts involoved. In short, GET A CLUE!"

BTNG

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 01:27 PM

Perhaps PCTN (people close to Nick) could help?

L in C#

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: BTNG
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 01:33 PM

"Perhaps PCTN (people close to Nick) could help?"

now there's an idea! We need facts here, some solid facts.
Oh, I know, we're all entitled to our opinions, but you know what they say about opinions....

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Surreysinger
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 01:35 PM

I've more than once started to post something on this thread, and more than once deleted it and thought "Let them get on with it". However, I find it disturbing that a number of people seem to think it fit that the EFDSS should plaster details of whatever has happened over their news section, or, indeed, report back to the world in general. As has been pointed out more than once, this is currently a private matter between employee and employer. What has not been pointed out by anyone is the fact that employment legislation exists to cover situations such as we are given to understand may exist. Legislation provides courses of action which must be followed when and if a course of employment is terminated. It also provides procedures which should be followed in the event of an appeal/dispute regarding the matter.In the circumstances it would be very remiss of the EFDSS to publish any information about the situation (whatever it may be), unprofessional, and possibly prejudicial to any action that either side might wish to take.

PS I've been a member of the Society for nearly 40 years - frightening thought- but I don't consider it gives me any right to blow by blow details of a private employee/employer matter at this stage.

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 01:39 PM

Well sais Ms / Mr Surreysinger.

I suspect Nick would seek peace and quiet until things are sorted hence my earlier post

L in C#

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Surreysinger
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 05:15 PM

My feelings also Les ... and it's Ms {grins}

Irene

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 20 Aug 10 - 03:51 AM

I thought of suggesting a 'slag off the EFDSS' thread to divert tension away from here but I'm not sure that would be a good thing.

L in C#

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: greg stephens
Date: 20 Aug 10 - 04:19 AM

Might be an idea Les. How about a thread called "Protest at Show of Hands Israeli-backed attack on EFDSS". That might sop up the usual suspects for a while.

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: IanC
Date: 20 Aug 10 - 04:25 AM

done.

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 20 Aug 10 - 04:25 AM

Anybody else reminded of the cover picture from the old Penguin Book of English Folk Songs?

Starring the EFDSS as the second figure from the left on the front.

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 20 Aug 10 - 04:55 AM

This a really weird thread!
A load of loonies banging on about something they don't understand...

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 20 Aug 10 - 05:37 AM

Good one Greg, I think:

"Protest at Show of Hands Israeli-backed attack on EFDSS"

could open a competition for the best anti EFDSS headline. We could do headlines in the style of different newspapers:

Cancer link to EFDSS Morris dancing fanatics - The Daily Mail

Topless dancers sacked in EFDSS dancing scandle - See page 3 for picies - The Sun.

As for the front of the English Book of Penguin Folk Songs - I like the way the bear seems to be giving the man with the stick intelligent consideration.

L in C#

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 20 Aug 10 - 06:57 AM

Anybody else reminded of the cover picture from the old Penguin Book of English Folk Songs?

Or, to give its proper title, The Dancing Bear by W F Witherington. The original hangs in The Walker Gallery in Liverpool, as credited on the back of the PBOEFS, but even so the first time I saw it in there I confess to coming over a little giddy. Either way I thing bear baiting and dancing bears are two different things.

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Aug 10 - 07:03 AM

"This a really weird thread!
A load of loonies banging on about something they don't understand."
to the contrary, I understand the EFDSS very well, in the past they have made some poor management decisions, over the last 5 years they appear to have been doing much better, and putting on good events, and being involved in some useful projects., Nic Hallam has playued a part along with others, so why is it unreasonable to ask why was he sacked?.
the EFDSS is supposed to promote folksong and dance on a national basis, years ago they did this by running Sidmouth, Whitby,Chippenham and Laycock festival and others,they also ran competitions, they had a national network of branches, and a shop situated in Cecil Sharp house, now , they are not involved in any of these activities,they have none of these things,apart from an online shop, these are facts.
they do not provide national music tuition on a national basis, however Comhaltas does provide tuition on a national basis.
whether one likes comhalts and competitions[i have my reservations]the competitions and examinations and the fleadhs bring in considerable revenue:fact.
Ralphie,instead of throwing insults around, you would do better as I am doing to stick to facts.

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: GUEST,Captain Jack Sparrow
Date: 20 Aug 10 - 07:26 AM

Someone should make a film of this thread (probably Ken Russell).

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 20 Aug 10 - 07:43 AM

GSS:
Nic Hallam has playued a part along with others, so why is it unreasonable to ask why was he sacked?

How would you like all the folk club organizers who haven't booked you to post here saying why not?

Think about what you're asking.

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Bloke from Poole
Date: 20 Aug 10 - 07:45 AM

instead of throwing insults around, you would do better as I am doing to stick to facts.

Sticking to facts is always a good idea.

Apart from anything else, you get to choose the facts that you want to to stick to, and ignore the ones that you don't.

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 20 Aug 10 - 12:14 PM

These are my facts, if you don't like them I have others

L in C#

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Folknacious
Date: 20 Aug 10 - 01:32 PM

Several people here should go and get fact.







(Cheap, I know, but this thread has more farce than Brian Rix's entire career)

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 20 Aug 10 - 01:57 PM

Hi Ralphie!

Can I use your slogan for my T-shirt?

I must be a looney...

I don't understand the EFDSS!

Ta muchly,

Matthew

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Aug 10 - 09:57 AM

refresh

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: Howard Jones
Date: 22 Aug 10 - 02:03 PM

Refresh? Why, for God's sake?

The EFDSS has now issued an interim statement on the Nick Hallam matter, saying what many of us had already pointed out, that they can't discuss what is a private matter between the Society and an employee. Presumably when the matter is settled they will make a further statement. In the meantime there is no point in discussing it further on here.

If you want a discussion about the EFDSS then start another thread, although I should have thought there have been enough of these already. But please don't go on about festivals or competitions, those topics have already been thoroughly discussed previously.

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: GUEST,Uncle Rumpo
Date: 22 Aug 10 - 02:18 PM

Blimey..

there weren't this much fuss to get me reinstated
when I got fired
from Butlins back in 1983.

Good job no one else wanted to replace me
sweeping out around the bins at the back of the main cafeteria...

They offered to take me back
and even promote me to washing up as well
before I'd even got on the coach back home...

Subject: RE: EFDSS sacking of Nick Hallam - wtf?
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Aug 10 - 02:50 PM

refresh ,why for gods sake?
well, Howard so that people can see there is a petition and sign it if they want to, we live in a democracy, people are entitled to different opinions, nobody is forced to sign a petition, on the other hand the people that put the petition online, probably want it publicised ., if not they will probably ask for this thread to be closed